An 80 min blank CD holds 18-20 songs. YOU have to pay .88-.99 per song for a "legal download"-YOU have to supply EVERYTHING(including the blank disc)to produce a finished CD. THEY make a ton of money-YOU get totally ripped-off. If the RIAA would get rid of their need for greed and total control then maybe people would cooperate with them.

they can sue all the people they want, they will
never stop the piracy of music. the only thing
they are accomplishing is the creation of a smarter
more informed downloader. its just like spraying insects with bug spray, after enough times they eventually become virtually immune.

riaa doesent scare me, what scares me is people choosing not to get informed about p2p and the many ways to ensure RIAA doesent have the ability to track you.

uhrndtq- "its just like spraying insects with bug spray, after enough times they eventually become virtually immune."

Interesting analogy. Keep in mind; it is only the very few bugs that by a fluke mutation possess a natural immunity who survive this "process of elimination". The vast majority are killed... I'm not trying to mess with you. Just playing devil's advocate for a moment. It gets a little scarier when you start applying that idea to P2P users...

The simple fact is RIAA is continuing to piss into the wind.

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Can you get sued if you live in Canada?

grayarea -

your right.. it was just the first analogy that
popped into my head.. maybe i should say.. its like
fighting fire with gasoline?
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yes you can get sued in canada.. im not sure that
it would stick though.

I agree with the fact the RIAA is way out of line. They whine and complain that sales are down, so they blame the fileshare companies and 8 year olds. This is so absurd. Maybe the reason your sales are down, is because your product, for the most part is overpriced and not very good. Or!!! maybe you're paying the "Artists" to much.
When and if I see Britney Spears, or Lars on a street corner with a sign saying "Will sing for food" Then and only then will I feel bad about downloading music, and then maybe I'll buy a CD.

On a funny note, I just read that RIAA switched all it's servers to Linux. It will be very interesting to see what they say about SCO's lawsuit against everyone using Linux :) Will they pay up or or continue to be the hippocrites we all know they are?

uhrndtq-

I'm not saying your "bug" analogy is inaccurate. Actually, if the RIAA/MPAA cabal continues to enjoy the success they have achieved so far in their "war on customers" your insect/pesticide/immunity analogy could end up being way more accurate than I want to think about...

i just like to sit back and laugh sometimes at the RIAA...what are they gonna do when they start losing these court cases...they've been so aggressively attacking us that they haven't really made a good legal alternative.

off subject-why don't the RIAA bastards go after people selling their old cd's on ebay...isn't that pretty much the same thing?

what's going on with the sco and linux?

SCO claims Linux uses code they own the right to so they're suing anybody and everybody using Linux saying the user must pay them. They're taking on IBM and some other heavies at the moment. Their whole suit is ridiculous and asinine.

I read an article last week saying that SCO ran out of money to continue their suit when BayStar Investment gave them $50 million at Microsoft's urging. Here's the story:

http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5172426.html

M$ seriously needs to die.

exerpt from above article-In May 2003, SCO said it didn't need any more funding, but in October, BayStar made the $50 million investment--$30 million of which came from the Royal Bank of Canada, which BayStar said has participated in several of its investments. In addition, Microsoft has paid SCO millions of dollars in a Unix licensing deal announced in May.

doesn't the last sentence say it all...microsoft has a stake on unix, so they'll oust every linux user possible increasing their market share. this is the reason i hate the country i live in sometimes
thanks for the heads up neph

Pretty sick isn't it? I acknowledge that MS did amazing things to boost PCs in the early years but their actions in the last decade have more than mitigated anything they've ever done to benefit computer users.

They represent everything sick and wrong in corporate America just like riaa/mpaa.

i bet in the next few years MS will screw up and get a class action suit we can all get in on...they're way to greedy to get by unscathed

I'm sure all of you read that MS was fined for 600+ million $ in Europe for abusing their monopoly status and making their Media Player + Browser an integral part of Windows, therefore making it impossible for other parties to compete...They are appealing...

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They are appealing...

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The case, right? ;)

yes, the case.

RIAA and it's affiliates have been raping music and it's customers since I was just a little genXer listening to Black Flag. The P2P wave is total karma. The truth is the record companies are the ones most effected by illegal downloading. Anyone ever see TLC's vh1 interview? They made like what .50 cents a unit. Or how about the Goo Goo Dolls and John Rzeznik? And everyone knows about Lou Pearlman and all his greedy little contracts with groups like NySNC and Spears. Don't let any of the propaganda foul you. Keep downloading the songs and support the artist by going to concerts and buying their merchandize. These are the outlets that enable them to make a living.

in regards to m$ being sued..

they have been having trouble with EU for a long time..

although honestly i dont think offering a version
w/o a media player is such a bad idea.. its a free
download anyway and most everybody is upgrading to 9
so whats the difference? EU is just trying to cash
in on some of m$ millions.

I think the EU is right. You can't truly uninstall IE or WMP. Try it, the files will reappear right after you delete them. Sure you can "uninstall" them from add/remove but they're still on your system. IE and WMP both suck compared to the infinitely better third party apps out there. Competetion is a wonderful thing and I'd hate to be stuck with IE instead of Mozilla Firebird or WMP instead of EAC and Quintessential player which is what would happen if groups like EU weren't calling MS on their lame tactics. You can't even get windows updates without IE - total bullcrap.

i just read on the besonic website that RIAA's
website has been down for about 3 days due to a
dos attack on thier mail servers by a variant of
the mydoom virus. looks like were not the only
people pissed off at RIAA.

pretty funny stuff really. thats what RIAA gets,
did they think no one was going to retaliate?

what do you guys think?

I'm glad the RIAA computers got a virus,it serves the greedy bastards right!

The RIAA should leave us alone and leave it up to the artist to get us. lol. just a thought

lol. being attacked by some of the female artists
i have downloaded doesen't sound so bad to me. ;)

no madonna no.. please dont attack me in my sleep!

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Why do I get the feeling If we had a chance to look at
one thier PC's we would see a copy of WinMX?