I think that the intelligence of children is always greatly under-estimated. 99.999% know right from wrong.

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Wow, that was my 1000th post!!! I have far too much time on my hands!!

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I agree with you that religion can go to far, but if you just use it as a guide. mabye take some of the advice.

I also agree with you about the child think but what i think is that they need to be taught that there are punisments for doing the wrong.

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I am a great believer in that religion has caused nearly all the problems in the world today.

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I believe that 100% with all my heart.

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I think that saying that religion is to blame is the same a saying that games are to blame. yes religion can be taken to far or to litteral if you look in to it too much it can cause problems. its not religion its people taking it to far. the same thing can be said about every thing else. if you take a Movie/game to litteral and go try to imitate it then you are the problem.

Like though shall not kill, and though shall not comit adultry I think both of those are good ideas. but dont take it to far.

Just look at how screwed up the bible belt is in the States. We have major probs with the Catholics & Protestants in Ireland.
I think that grown men screaming to 6 & 7 year old children that they are bastards, scum & filth is unbelievable.
My parents kept me away from the church. I am eternally grateful. What with the amount of priests who have molested children, the church did NOTHING. They still have a very hard time in accepting that there is a problem.
Christians appear to preach absolute intolerance to certain sections of the community, they very rarely forgive.
The same absolute intolerance & unacceptance that others may wish to belong to another religious group, or alternate life style is the same in many religions. Religion is all about control & fear. So many religions use this as a tool.

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"Like though shall not kill, and though shall not comit adultry I think both of those are good ideas. but dont take it to far."

So you think it is acceptable to kill or cheat on your partner?

I still think that you underestimate children.

My friend has a 3 year old son. When he watches "Ice Age" there is a bit where Manny & the crew are in a cave. There are drawings which come to life, where we see Mannys' parents get killed. We hear only music, no words. My friends sons' face screws up when he watches it. You can see he is upset by the images. He can understand, without words, what is exactly going on. He always turns to his mum for a hug. She obviously reciprocates.
To me, that shows intelligence & understanding of the emotions fear, love & the need for comfort. Children are light years ahead of us sometimes I think. I must admit that seeing him upset & his reactions provoked deep emotions in myself.

To manipulate such a caring & thoughtful little mind with religion is the worst thing that you can do. Children sometimes do need disciplining. Telling them that they will rot in hell for not believing in Jesus is NOT the way to do it.
If anyone tells him that, I will personally ram the bible down that persons throat & kick the shit out of them. Then set them on fire with a 5 gallons of petrol, whilst gaily throwing wood & paper on the bastard.
Of course people can go too far. It is up to the religious leaders to correct them. Like that will ever happen!
For me you can shove it.

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no i think that it is not all right for you to say that playing a game is killing.

or going to watch a movie at the theater and there is a sex seen and you get a hard on. i dont think that is adultry but some people who take religion to far would.

People have corrupted what religion is truly about. They've turned the bible into the biggest book of excuses ever known.

For the majority of "Christians" today religion is nothing more than a form of mental masturbation - a way for them to feel superior to everyone else. Here's why I say that:

Have a prostitute off the street walk into any suburban church and see how many of them accept her as a fellow human being equal to themselves - not a damn one of them would.

The ironic thing is that Jesus - the guy they're supposedly modeling their life after - knelt down and washed a prostitute's feet in front of his disciples. He treated her as a human being equal to him and everyone else.

The catholics have also been found out. Mary of Magdelene was NOT a prostitute. Again, the zealots twisted the story to suit their purposes.
Neph, you speak many words of wisdom my friend.

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"Let him who has not sinned, cast the first stone"

Religion could learn a lot from that.

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Yep. All they know how to do is point fingers.

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A humourous read.

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/593/593223p1.html

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That was tops!!

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Thought you all might want to read some of this that is going around my area...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38402-2005Mar15.html

and this one...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38398-2005Mar15.html

Would like to here what everyone thinks...

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americans are retarded anyway so hows a little video game gonna make a differance?

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Well, I don't know about you all, but I can say this...I really don't hear much about anything regarding video game violence happening across the water, like in countries like Africa, New Zeland, or even the UK.

Kinda makes you wonder if we are supposedly the economic power house of the world, if we can't take a hint from other societies who are doing a good job at lessening the argument of violence in video games.

Honestly speaking, I think that America is a backwards country in deed. We here, have WAY too many choices, but I guess that is a good thing in a way to promote freedom and equality. This whole stand against violent video games is ridiculous, just like saying that rap music is the cause for gangs.

Oh please, yeah like I am really going to believe that. Alot of people here like to blame others for their non-responsible behavior. To say the least, it is the parents who need to keep a watchful eye on their kids. They are the key. You can't go around and blame video game makers for creating an outlet for people. As one grows up, you would hope that you were taught right from wrong...you do a crime, you go to jail. But in todays society, especially in America, we are a country poised by greed and corruption. We are lenient with youth, and give them a way out. If I were a judge, I wouldn't be lenient. Parents are the key. Governments, teachers, and all other adults, are NOT supposed to be watching your kids. It doesn't take much. All of us here have played games of all types of violence, but it doesn't mean we are going to go out there and start committing crimes.

Case in point...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42198-2005Mar16.html

Now honestly, is this what we have been reduced too.

I remember when I was growing up, we had violent games and had rap music, heavy metal, and so forth...yet nothing like this happened. The worst thing you got, was getting teased at school at the beginning of the year if you parents bought you BK's (British Knights)

But I guess this statement is true, that I heard from a good friend of mine....

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Society in itself is not evolving.....it is devolving

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Hey folks, don't mean to add more fuel to the fire...

But this just happened yesterday.

Take a close look the one of the factors that says that drove him to do this...not the racial part, because this is also along the same lines as the video game controversy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/

It is only a matter of time, when they are going to say cause what he listened too and what he watched drove him to do this.

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he was a paki what do you expect, im suprised he didnt do a suicide bomb instead!

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"he was a paki what do you expect, im suprised he didnt do a suicide bomb instead!"

If there were ever a bigoted remark, that was it.

I am, quite honestly, disappointed with that point of view
Pulsar.

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If there were ever a bigoted remark, that was it.

I am, quite honestly, disappointed with that point of view
Pulsar.

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LOL, thats what i expected. If he was being bullied why didnt he pray to Allah for help?

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@ otester

You've been nothing but an ignorant moron the whole time you've been here. Anymore racial epithets and you're going bye bye.

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You've been nothing but an ignorant moron the whole time you've been here. Anymore racial epithets and you're going bye bye.

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Coming from you ill take that as a complement, LOL

*action* Hides behind table, as flames fly over *action*

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otester, if you want to start a flame war, then go ahead. Just have a look at your posts, you will see why you are gaining a reputation.

You ignorance to the worlds' problems is quite apparent. Your knowledge of religion is too, lacking somewhat. Your attitudes do not help people to be nice. Why are you bitter & offensive towards other people? Is that how you get your kicks?

I really hope that neph will close this thread & consign it to the history books, rather like you should be. LOL!

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I just went through quite a few of otester's posts and he should've been banned long ago.

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