Well that price is still good. And everyone who goes that the ps3 is too expensive, the answer is no! If you look at inflation and then see the prices of all the consoles before the ps3, you will see that even the neo geo was more expensive (without inflation, it was stil more expensive). Here's some graphs that will explain this more:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/images/relative_prices.gif

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/images/absolute_prices.gif

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"But you think about the price, think about the price of just a Blu-ray player. It will be cheaper than a Blu-ray player just by itself. So fundamentally we're going to be great value just from that point of view without even looking at the games side."

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They always try to justify ps3's price with the same argument: "it's cheaper than just a regular bluray player!". So what, nobody is buying a bluray player, everybody wants just the console. I'd rather buy ps3 with a dvd-drive at the same price as xbox 360, rather than one with a bluray drive.

@kivandrew. that for those links. i posted them in a thread but i dont think ppl loked at them. mayber here they will.

and i wouldnt buy a ps3 with just dvd. because hey all the games are in bd-rom so what will you do? plus with hdtv's getting cheaper and bluray becoming popular it may be well invested. the picture quality is lifelike. and all that sapce for uncompressed video and endless room for games to be built on.

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and i wouldnt buy a ps3 with just dvd. because hey all the games are in bd-rom so what will you do?

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Don't be a smartass. If ps3 would have dvd-drive, then the would be on dvd too.

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plus with hdtv's getting cheaper

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True, I already have one.

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and bluray becoming popular

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You can't tell at this point that will bluray be a success.

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the picture quality is lifelike.

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It's amazing at first, but you'll get used to it quite soon. Although comparing to dvd the difference is like night and day.

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and all that sapce for uncompressed video and endless room for games to be built on.

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Uncompressed video? Not going to happen. It's going to be mpeg4 avc standard, which is far from uncompressed. Actually it's just vice versa, since it's highly compressed video.

another point worth thinking about is the quality of the blue ray player in the ps3.

there are standards of dvd players, some a good some are shit. the ps2 dvd player was lame with poor video quality and funcions compared with a good standalone DVD player.

who knows what the ps3 blueray player is going to be like. very likely its going to be a cheap ass one so its not a great investment. just a "it will do job" untill the technology comes down.

i personally buy consoles for games, i would rarther invest £2,000 on a entertainment system. and at the moment im pushing towards HD DVD but like most people will wait and see which one will be market leader.

November the 17th! That my girlfriends birhtday i wonder if she'll want a........... actually better not i like nuts just where they are.

"there are standards of dvd players, some a good some are shit. the ps2 dvd player was lame with poor video quality and funcions compared with a good standalone DVD player."-

Wow, one step ahead of me. I was actually thinking this myself. Ive always thought that electronics with multiple purposes was lame cuase it seems they always do everything bad as opposed to a stand alone one which would do one thing really good. Oh well,im not buying so it doesnt matter.

Screw Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

I buy a game system for GAMES, PERIOD. I dont care about format wars and NEITHER SHOULD THE CONSUMER. DVD IS FINE!!!

And I'll play nes over the latest xbox360 eye candy any day.

okay so fair enough Blu-ray wil be far superior 2 dvd and allow next gens the capabilities required to expand the games market.
however, i have one issue with what maguire said. comparing the price of ps2 to Blu-ray machines is all well and good when it comes to the nerds who quite happily accept that a ps3 is good value when compared to a Blu-ray machine. but what about the parents who got little johnny a ps2 for xmas in 2000 for a whopping £300? And now they're guna spend over £400 for, a least to them, something exactly the same? it plays games doesnt it? plays dvds? whats the difference to the stupid ass american consumer who arent technicly minded? i think sony have shot themselves in the foot, and though while i am glad they r using Blu-ray to allow for better games, economically it is a blunder. unless the price crashes within a year theres no way i can afford one being a student and im sure i aint the only one who feels like this. to me it deosnt matter if Blu-ray costs $1000 because i wudnt want a Blu-ray anyway. im happy with dvd thanks, so comparing it to Blu-ray of which i have no interest is no good for consumers like me!

The US market proce of $599 'translates' to approx £320 at today's rates, not £425.

The UK rip-off continues.

(and why would anyone want a non-HDMI HD DVD anyway? Component connections are dying out as HDMI replaces them on the latest TV's aren't they?)