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"it's still 600 extra for something most consumers won't see any difference on."

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.....you are sorely mistaken, there will be a huge difference. Ask any cinemaphotography major and they will tell you that it is a big deal to that sector. Either format will expand capabilities for 3D animation.

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"Not to mantion new media formats are always more expensive to purchase per disc. Anyone remember $5 CD-RWs?"

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when cd-rws came out there was no market for it. as the supply and demand gained speed there came competition thus making prices shift from 5dollars to about 25-35 cents now.

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"And don't tell me that Sony introduced DVD to the mass market. DVD was public in 1997, and was publicly known with a large array of titles before 1999 was through. Sony had nothing to do with the success of DVD. They just happened to be a cheap avenue for a three year old format."

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i think you need to get your story straight because no one mentioned or even implied this libel statement.

i still dont think you have friends or know people at all

arl0oj stop saying flame war you sound stupid

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flame war

handsom
Lazer disc also had alot of downsides,where as BR only has a few,and out of all the thigns that could be wrong with BR paying sony is a tiny annoances that will tip the scales over to HD-DVD.
What I am saying is unlike Sonys prevoius atemps at a format,this one might fly,but sony themselfs have tied its wings,so its not a auto fail.



joniskaos
hes talking abotu SOny and thier attemps at createing a dominante format.It dose sems as long as sony has its claws in everyone with thier royalties shceme no one will want to use it much.

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I absolutely HATE Micro$oft with a passion so I hope they rott and die.....f**k the Xcox360.
Now for the Wii vs. PS3:
$ony is charging too much OMG WTH $500 for a videogame system? Why don't they charge $300 and price the games $60-$70 instead. Or leave out the HDD for the first 20 games & only RPGs require it. But NO, $ony threw all their technology into an impressive system with an equally impressive price. Now the videogame wars look like any other economic issue. And that is, rule #1 of selling a product:
"The more you sell, the more market share, the less competition"
instead of a business plan that allows the PS3 to be affordable to all, it will be a niche system until the price falls about $100. Until that happens, there won't be wide acceptance. $400 is _NOT_ much money, but for a child (or his poor parents), it IS much money. Adult gamers can afford the PS3 on 1 paycheck, but kids and their parents will be hurt. I predict the PS3 will have very slow sales while the Nintendo Wii will be the first system to purchase + massively support by 3rd party publishers. "Wii will see"

xhardc0re
Sony dosent care thats why we get 2 almost oppsite ended systems,the Xbox is here to stay get used to it,Sony dosent care about being nice to its fans it knows they will eventuly shell out money for it,with the way they have brought out the PS3 I like the Xbox more than ever ,altho the 360 dosnt have enough games yet to make it worth my while,the PS3 I will get when it comes below 350,and the Wii is for me 0-o *L*

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the PS3 I willg et when it coems below 350

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I hope its worth the 3-4 year wait

joniskaos
I am a gamer I will get around to it as money dictates ^^
a 360 is easier gotten,a Wii easier still,a Xbox soemtime this year I hope..kinda blew 100 on getting some Beast wars transfomers I lsot acouple years back this month..and I was going to get some ramm formy comp so I can fix it ><
Damnit I wish DFI NF3-Ultra was not such a fickle board ><
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dude, seriously whats 600 bucks? jeeze or 400 for the xbox 360

joniskaos
600 is 200 more than I get in a month.

@ZIppyDSM:

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Then save your money. The question is not if the system costs too much. The question is, is it worth that VALUE? If the price is $1,000 but it comes with super great technology you want, then it's worth the $1,000. But if it's something you don't need, and has more than you'll use....well then the *N Wii is the better VALUE.

IMHO, many people are going to look at Blu-ray and their lack of HDTV (and not wanting it either), and say "Well, the Nintendo Wii has all that I could want, and it's $150 less than Sony. So f**k Sony."
and yes I'm a PS2 gamer and don't even own a GameCube or Xcox. The better value right now is....the Wii.

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you mean it has a better price. The PS3 kicks the shit out of the WII if you really wanna compare "value" just because its cheap doesnt mean its a good value

Better VALUE is defined as what you want to use it for vs. the price. Let's me try this a different way.

Let's say you gave a Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=7700 to an 80yo man. Let's say that man never drove over 70Mph on the highway. Then let's say you offered the same man a Toyota Corolla. Which is the better value to him? Most likely the Corolla because he'll never use the SLR's power to its fullest. He'll never be doing 80-200Mph (btw that is man crazy fast) so the extra power is not important. The Corolla also happen to have better gas mileage.

So for some people, who have no intention of going to HDTV & don't need Blu-ray, the better value is the Wii. The Wii will plays their games, and if they want to watch DVDs they'll use a DVD player. Just for comparison, the Wii + DVD add-on will make it cost more than $300. That's only $200 less than the PS3. But for someone not needing DVD or Blu-ray, they'll save lots of $$$ by going with the Wii. The Wii is a good VALUE, even though the PS3 is much more powerful and does more...at a higher cost.

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Which is the better value to him? Most likely the Corolla because he'll never use the SLR's power to its fullest.

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we should also not allow people to breath in Americas air or drive on their streets because if a person is legal age to vote and chooses not too, they arent using they're not exercising their constutional right to vote. Because techniqually if they choose not to exercise their right they might as well live in a country that lacks many of the liberties we are given in the US

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So for some people, who have no intention of going to HDTV & don't need Blu-ray

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people dont need HDTV to witness the difference between an animated movie on a dvd in comparison to one on Blu-ray.

you are seriously an idiot.

joniskaos

HDTV helps but its nto the end all for High def,altho it dosnet hurt,BLue ray is jsut another format that may or might not be a standard if it dosent fly it will still be used by some for storage and the PS3 for gameing.

Even without the BLu ray drive the PS3 would still have been 500 its jsut what Sony dose the PS2's starting price was as high,altho in all I dont like how they handled the priceing,I am keeping my eye on the lunch if anything else goes wrong I will scratch the PS3 off mylist untill it coems under 200 >>

you do realize with HDTV you need heaps of accessories to actually max out the full potiental of the tv. Good luck waiting about 6-10 years.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2006/06/catching_up_wit.html

hey joniskaos, why don't you go eat a bag of horse manure...because it already seems to be coming out of your ears AND mouth.

You are the expert on absolutely everything, aren't you??

My shit makes it possible for produce to grow so that people like you can get a temp worker pass to pick up my strawberries. Either way, you eat my shit

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Tell me something...Does belittling others make you feel good? Does it mask the realization that, when you go to sleep at night, nobody cares about you, or ever will, if you keep acting like a little bitch?

I have a feeling the Mod Squad's gonna get wind of your comments. I really hope you wise your ass up some day for your own good, one of these days you're going mouth off to the wrong person and you're going to get your ass kicked. Just try to watch what you say from now on and, if it isn't too late, you may have a chance of staying on the site and enjoying yourself.

There's something called freedom in this country, you know? You have a right to say what you want to say, up to a point, but on this site it's a privelige. And if you deny others their right to respect, you lose that privelige.

Damn, I feel like my mother...I'm done, there's a lot I'd like to say but I want to stay a member.

Thank God for the Report link...Kegan

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remind me again who was the one to draw first blood, not me.

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respect is not free, you earn it. And if you, he or anyone else insults me i will go after you and whatever force that infringes on my rights but not anyone elses.

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hey joniskaos, why don't you go eat a bag of horse manure...because it already seems to be coming out of your ears AND mouth.

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so where is my representation, why isnt anyone commenting that idiot about what he said about me

oh wait, people can only comment my post because im better at insulting people than the ones who try to attack me first.


Malice to all who to everyone that insults me, drawing first blood.

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i thought this topic was for the jp consumers preferring the wii...what you guys talking about???? although the wii seems to present innovative gameplay, ithink its one of those things that has a high and then drops to a low after a year or two. where xbox 360 and ps3 will continue to look impressive with the next gen graphics and whatnot. but its also true that the core of gaming, is how the game is played and not just the looks. Wii seems to be the ideal console for japanese.

munkeeboy
the 360 is current gen still they have yet to make a game thats next gen graphics wise,the PS3 is a monster and not worth it from the average poor gamer.

GET WII!
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yeah, wii sounds like fun. but i feel as if sometime wii is going to fall because its just goin to get boring at one point...because the games everyone enjoyed were, obviously on the classic controller and none else. so how can nintendo say that the new controller will be that great? i mean, yeah its interesting and stuff, but how did you guys play super mario world? and metroid prime? halo? prince of persia? all those games, they WERE...on classical controllers. and thats where the FUN was...is my opinion. BUT yes, the wii looks like fun. and the price is friendly.

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The WII has 1 analog stick thats enough to provide a more traditional play style....altho to me yet again they have no foresight the PSP lack a analog nub ports are hard to do for it,the GBA lacked 2 X and Y it took alittle from gameplay the DS could have used them I see plenty of place for the buttons its just they have no foresight the WII control setup is a bit a weak from a traditional standpoint,but they have a normal game pad attachment for it I would how useful it will be if most devs devs for the wiimote mmmm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote

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yeah, that traditional snes style controller is gonna be good for the backward compatible games that consumers are gon be playing once they get tired of flingin their arms around.

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yeah, that traditional snes style controller is gonna be good for the backward compatible games that consumers are gon be playing once they get tired of flingin their arms around.

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Not quite theres a Updated GC pad and a NES pad but not SNES pad,least non that i know of.

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I'm just looking forward to the end of the weekend; so that both systems are out, and the speculation can be overwith.

I'm honestly none too impressed with the way people are acting about the new systems. Reports of muggings, tramplings, and more are flooding in like never before. PS3 and Nintendo fanboys are going rabid at eachother, and it's really just unruly to see how crazy people are getting over (Let's all breath and say this out loud to ourselves) a GAME SYSTEM.

Sorry, I'm just dissappointed in people for the way they are making gamers look on the media. A few nutjobs trample a kid; the news media catches it, and everyone thinks we're all monsters.

Anywho, I personally prefer the Wii by leaps and bounds to the PS3; but over time will probably pick one up. I can see a lot of reasons the Japanese prefer the Wii over the PS3, and I mean a lot. But that's personal preference. Nintendo has had a VERY strong following in Japan for decades now, so it's no surprise that they see that way too.

I hope that with the weekend passed by; a lot of the flaming on this board will go down significantly, but that may not even happen until after the holidays.

Either way, I wish everyone the best of luck getting their system of choice this year; and if you want the easy way out, just get a 360 with Gears of War; lol. They're easy to find, and look gorgeous.

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