kevinv,
you make a really good point its our property what gives microsoft the right to tell us how o use it.

microsoft can get their copyright licence and sh0ve it up sonys... ill let you figgure the rest out

Unfortunately the firmware hack is for one purpose only...hence Microsoft are trying to "fix" it...homebrew on the other hand is a different matter

Yeah, I agree with Jamman

When you do the firmware hack it is pretty much saying that you are going ot be pr will be pirating games in the future. So they have a right to fix it so they aren't being jipped of their money.

yeah but we own the console not ms we have borght it off them so it is rightfully ours so what gives thenm the right to edit our property?

Not trying to argue or anything but;

They have the right to not want their games burnt and pirated.

Personally i do not own an Xbox, as for MS they dont program, they create a basic structure and fill in the gaps with workarounds, causing unnecessary bugs and vulnerabilities (and yes, i am a PC user that runs Win XP NOT by choice).

Look at Linux and apple's OS, they have their decks in order and stacked neatly compared to MS house of cards that crashes down anytime you breathe hard, then you have to rebuild it using additional supports and glue (for the lack of a better metaphor).

Ballpyhon
I use XP SP1 by choice,it realy is the best thing going,becuse it runs the most crap,Untill apple or lunix can run DX,9X and XP apps I dont seem me useing them,on the other hand I wont touch vista untill the "comuntiy" fixs it bascily when the frist SP coems out and MS desides not to fully support the normal vista then mabye then I will get it becuse MS wont be cosntaly trying to controll what I do with it,hell SP2 has so mabye driver and app issues it drives me insane then it still has that fcked up Bandwidth cap that takes 10-40% of your total bandwidth....

ZippyDSM both Apple and Linux run MS applications. obviously you have to install the proper software to get it to work(at least on Linux).

As far as both Apple and Linux go, i don't know much at all about either OS, other than Apples cannot get viruses and is much more stable, and Linux takes about 1/4 of the resources to run the OS than most windows applications take, and from what i have seen it is a lot more stable as well.

To the best of my knowledge windows based software are built on VB where apple and Linux are built on Unix platforms, which clearly leads the path to stability. Unfortunately both OS's are not as widely used in homes and are not nearly as "user friendly", there for I don't use them due to the lack of knowledge about them.

Ballpyhon
ya they run soem apps,games run NOT...without DX at least 1/3 if not 1/2 of the reason I use a computer goes bubye.

but consider this microsoft has fixed this issue in all new xboxs with a special lockout function if you are trying to install a hscked version of there firmware it will block the firmware update half way through

johnodd4
give it a year or 2 and acouple hardware revisions and MS will give up and focus on "protecting" the newer shit like they do with XP *L*

MS "We will not place too much attention on it," MS

The firmware hack is not as detectable as it may seem it is not a bios hack so good luck MS and there is no "special lockout function" on the drives just more complicated not too hard it'll get hacked sone with a chip REAL SOON give it to the Man they give it back we give it back it never ends LOL

well i have a question. if they dont want pirate games to be used, shoud they not address the problem at the root? games are pritaed why? main reason i see is the cost is to high on new games. if the look at a way to bring that down, it will help the problem. just like the smugglers of anything. they smuggle what cost a lot, and they can sell at a markup, below stores cost.

just my 2 cents

kevinv
heres the thing if poeple didnt pirate they would raise the price with soem lame ass exuse so the pirateing wtch only dose under 5% real damage to them is soemthign they can use at a reason why most gamers are willing to shell out.

I am a cheap gamer I am also a cheat gamer most games are so fcked up or so fustrateing to not have a cheat deive on hand is just being machoaist.
I still need a proper mod chip for my PS2 ><

I don't know much about this but most likey their will be some sort of workaround or solution to whatever they do sooner or later...It might stop playing backups online but will not stop it all together no matter what...

About Microsoft, Linux and Apple:

1. Its easy to say Windows is less secure, etc. Its just that its soo widespread and so many people use it in almost a million, billion different configurations. There is no way in the world you can test against that. Atleast, they do their best to fix them.

2. Linux, MacOS, have less users, even less who know the ins and outs of the OS. The problem is any Linux user will not admit it has TONS of bugs. Because they are fantics, most of them. I admit I was too. But after going deep into the OS, I realized then how many problems, design issues even the famed Linux has. It's just that most people on Linux are computer-geeks and they just set to fix it or whatever. Windows users on the other hand, are, need I say from 6-60!

3. Microsoft makes TONS of profit. Ok. So what? If not for BillG and IBM and their systems, where would the world be now? Atleast an offset of so many years? It's not an excuse to build buggy software or faulty hardware, its just that its bound to happen! Ask ANY programmer. People will say you design good, etc, etc. The situation sure is improving. There is a LOT less number of bugs in Vista. Praise .NET! It's all getting soo much better for us.

4. It's good to keep getting competetion from Linux, Google, etc. It brings out the best from the tough. And, we all know, M$ is a tough nut to crack! Nothing, my dear friends, beats Experience. They've been at it for 25 years? Beat that. 25 years of crap or whatever you might say, its no joke.

5. It's not like I hate open source or im only pro-Microsoft. I upgraded my PC so that I can try out all Linux distros. I was going to become the next Linux freak. I lauded PHP like no-one before. But, it all changed. Just like Linux drew me in, Microsoft lured me in when I really understood the situation. When I really knew what was happening. There's more to it than meets the eye.


Cheers


[PS] Just my thoughts!
[PS] X-Box 360 is great. Look at the bright side of it!

bsrealm
Nice post.

Meh 360 is ok for a current gen system :P

wait bsrealm,
what does your post have to do with xbox 360 ?
you speaking more about operating systems like windows (most hated) but i agree with what your saying there :)

anyway if microsoft were bringing out an update to stop the firmware hacks (about a month ago) where the hell are they ?
microsoft do make up crap and fake updates for somthink they probaly cant fix. :o

Good post bsrealm it doesn't seem as though these firmwares can be altered from updates I see on hacker forums that maybe detection but not alteration if you see anything fill us in I still think it is a real problem and growing faster I see in Japan US xbox 360 titles going for aroung 8.00US dollars and that will hurt the QUALITY of future game budgets to a degree look at Hollywood and Music Industry they are always complaining financial disaster with piracy. Devolopers need to make some money on there games and the debate goes on. Sometimes I am in the grey area on these thoughts.

First, thanks guys! I guess Microsoft deserves our support.

http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php
http://www.disc-info.com/content/view/12/28/

Anyway, these are a couple of sites that would tell you more about firmwares, etc. As far a I know, you can update the drives' firmware and patch things up as needed. They're probably working on it, or, they are purposely letting it drag on too. Who knows, these days business isn't just being predictable!

"NOTE:
Bad flashing could stop your device working. Carefully read the installation notes of your firmware before you upgrade."

Hehe, this is from that site.. So, if these guys do some hacks and it kinda interferes with the rest of the system or something, poof! There goes the money! So, you're be careful even if you get your hands on such consoles ;)


Cheers

bsrealm
no thanks MS just brought out their pricing scheme for Vista,its no different than their old scheme MS needs to be heckled every chance it gets unless it makes something unbuggy that does'nt have nooses attached to it.

Yes, I'm actually for it. So long as it's within the limits! As I said earlier, its great for the consumers if we provoke M$. But, we must not forget who they are and must maintain that level of respect when we comment (too aggressively ;))


Cheers

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Get a grip with reality Bill, you make hardware, we hack it simple

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haha lmao

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if microsoft were going to make an update wouldnt it be out b now? the announced it about 2 months ago yet there is still no update. i think microsoft is bu**sh**ng and tryign to get everyone to think 'omg there going to relese an update i better no do the firmware hack'
and i dont think its even possibal to update the firmware on the xbox 360, e.g for us we have to take the drive to pieces to do the firmware update so whos saying microsoft would have to do the same.

although if ms cant find a way to fix this problem we mat cause xbox to go out of business. remember dreamcast that went bust overnight because it was so easy to play pirate games on it with the help of a certain cd. we dont want to put xbox out of business do we?

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ppl just need to stop hacking and modding because one day... BAM! live companies r just ganna shut evrything down because gameplay can't be fair and they will learn it can nvr be fair. Think about it :/ u kno wut live companies can do if they shut down xbox live imagine all that money they can make with it... it would be a new erra!!

DSoldier
Modign will never end sadly neither will onmods(online mods/cheats),I love single player cheating thru cheat devices so you can try and re balance a crappy game but online you really need a private sever to do that kinda thing in...so you can re balance for all not jsut for yourself...

Sadly theres only one way to fully deal with this and it might make them lose more money you need a machine ID in order to pay for your live account once you get baned its permeant that machine is dead and gone,for 70% of legit users this will not cause trouble but counter measures by hacker groups could have the whole system baned...they can only do it one account at a time....