frabgod
I say creative will make a Zune clone that better than a Ipod and Zune put together in the next year or so.

I hope you're right. I think the more companies that go after this and bring their own creative solutions, the better things will be for we consumers.

frabgod
Ipod has become stagnant in its innovation,when stagnation sets in someone will always come along to replace them.

I mean I don't call Ipods video playing Ipod innovative its a Ipod with a screen,media players have been around longer than that...the Zune t a step back and a step forward so its no diffrent than the vid Ipod.
I might trust half of creative products now adays (their low end sound cards have been giving me nothing but pain these last 2 years) but they do make sweet media players and uber sound cards..

@zippydsm

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creative will make a Zune clone that better than a Ipod and Zune put together in the next year or so.

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Yes, they will. And like almost every other product they make that isn't a sound card; no one will buy it, or even know what it is. M$' Zune will fail for many years because M$ will make such a big deal over the first generation (which will be mostly useless), that no one will want to touch the (possibly?) better 2nd and 3rd generation models.

*Sigh* Such is the way of the consumer market.

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handsom
well creative has not had much luck in its branding shceme hey dont need to make Cameras or Video cards media players are fine and all I just wish all there sound cards were still top qaulity the lwoer end oens are the pits,the 80+ ones are still qaulity and when they start to have install issues and other thigns go wrong with them I will lsoe more respect for creative...

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Zune will have the same fate as Microsoft's entry into the consumer wireless market. Here today, gone tomorrow.

MS needs to stick with what they do best. Make buggy software that requires 1 to 15 patches every Tuesday of every week of every month of every year...and...charge $299 for it.

MS cant make good hardware...look at thier stuidly designed Buletooth KB and mouse set you cant even get into the fing bios with it 0-o

Good bye Zune preorder,"did i said preorder?

microsoft again wanting money well they aint geting a cent.

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I really do have to laugh at all the M$ bitterness around the web. Let's be honest with ourselves; only a very very select few of us have honestly put the effort into getting another OS. We all complain about how buggy the software is, even though next to no one ever experienced crashes after the initial launch of xp. And you can't say I just 'missed' all the bugs, because I was running an advance copy received from someone in the M$ loyalty program, on a machine that didn't even have a net connection to *get* the patches with for the first two years it was out...

I'm not a huge fan of them, but let's be honest with ourselves here; they're just like every other big company out there. Sony, Microsoft, you name it; if they aren't the goodwill, they're out to make a buck by whatever means possible. Let's not forget how almost every major console has shipped with big issues on day one because of product rushing and insufficient testing.

But look at it this way, with patches, you're at least not stuck having to take back a product to the store, and HOPING they have a replacement for you... And it's free(Unless it's antivirus :D )

M$ screwed up bad on the Zune... Bad. I can't fathom what they're thinking. But it bugs me that some people have so strong of an attitude against a company, for operating just like every other company out there. It's about as smart and mature as a ten year old who lives to 'fight the man'.

Anyways, Zune = Poopoo. M$ = The same as every other company on earth.

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they tend to take it to the extreme, and offer failing and inadaquate products and services. i myself own a pc because i inherited it, aswell as grew up with them. i have an ibook, so theres a reliable OS.

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handsom
I have tried new OS's and its all the same dosnet play alot of games dsnet support the programs I use,I will be trying lunix yet again next year to see if it can meet most of my needs.

With that said MS dose make nice stuff but they are either needlessly costly or poorly thought out and in case of the 360 at lunch it was both,its still limping from the launch even today....Vita it a double edged sword with a dull blade as a handle,the zune is just another mp3 player.

MS can do better but they simply wont like any good corporation they tow the line of forum,function,quality and in the end most of the time pay their CEOs to much and don't put enough effort into the things they sell.

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Are you sure? My understanding is that the Zune will ADD the time bomb when it transfers anything.
Regardless:
I give it maybe 2 weeks before someone hacks the firmware and disables DRM adding completely and permanently.
Another 2 weeks and someone will develop a "Zune Emulator" so you can interface with your PC.
G'Bless the Hackers.

So all we want is a DRM killer

NightSurf
the time bomb is only on files traded/given to others.

Right, I was unclear:
I believe the Zune will actually ADD the bomb when transferring to another Zune whether the file already has DRM or not.
Example: You rip a CD to your computer, copy it to the Zune. No DRM. When you transfer it to another Zune it will add the bomb at that point.
I think.

Nightsurf is correct, the DRM gets applied to any songs shared wirelessly - whether they originally have DRM or not.

I guess it's a protection against a file being stripped of DRM, or ripped from CD, and being passed around.

I think though that it only applies to files sent wirelessly. i.e. if someone emails you a song, and you sync it to your Zune from your PC, DRM does not get applied.

Note: we've posted a visual of Zune's menu and options hierarchy at the Zunerama site: http://www.zunerama.com

Wait a minute - does this aply to simple MP3´s as well. Because I thought these were kept safe from any DRM BS.

If it is shared from Zune to Zune wirelessly, it gets the bomb. 3 days or 3 plays....POOF!
But like I said....how long before this is hacked?

all i have to say is:


you don't want to love something that hitler does, do you? :-P

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@auslander

lol I wouldn't put MS and hitler in the same boat but ohh well lol :)

NightSurf (
its not DRM presay its more the OS logging what files to remove,of coasre alittle code added on to a MP3 to tell the OS to remove it is about the same,well ya know....it might not be a bad thing that the Zune has to be wired to get on the net...because wireless firmware auto updates to hack the hacks is annoying :3

borhan9: you wouldn't, but i would. ^.^ ever notice Bill Gates's personal copy of Mein Kampf? he went through and crossed out each instance of "juden" (jew) and wrote in "Mac User."

I just read the update to the article and that is a good thing. Does that mean we can get rid of DRM if possible and then we can play the files forever also.

hopefully we'll be able to put Linux on yet another MS product, making it halfway useful.

ZIppyDSM said: "it might not be a bad thing that the Zune has to be wired to get on the net...because wireless firmware auto updates to hack the hacks is annoying :3"

Oooh, now that WOULD be fascist! Good point, M8.