"when games lag offline...lol... "
umm? someone failed high school vocabulary :)

Lag (a.k.a. latency) is a delay in packets (data) on a server-client basis... lag offline is pretty @#$@ difficult considering there are no packets sent!
Offline slowdowns have nothing to do with "lag".

The price of the Ps3 has nothing to do with paying for the free online service. If it is 3x the cost of a baseline 360, we expect it to be because it has 3x the tech of the baseline 360...and face it, the ps3 specs blow the 360 away.

And since when has Micro$oft EVER had an original idea?
I never expected them to be anything but copiers.
But, I've got to say that they're good copiers.

We all want faster servers, but are you willing to pay $$$ for them? Even if sony's servers barely worked, it dosen't matter, because YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING. It's not like they're ripping you off- you're getting it for free, don't complain! If I offered you free money, you would take it, regardless of how much there was. Because with anything free, there's nothing to lose.

Even coming from me, a 3 year+ LIVE subscriber, the lack of features is disappointing. I expected features like Sony is offering to be out long ago, and now my $$ per month seems like more and more money down the drain. If we can game for free, and lag-free, on our PCs, why do greedy Micro$oft need our money for XBL? Since they have the monopoly (contralized service), they can do whatever they like. I don't agree with their taking advantage of this.

CiDaemon
yes no and mabye

the PS3 has power bu it lacks economic foresight the PS3 low end is 100 above reason the high end dosent realy matter,the PS3 has untested hardware but easily twice as powerful as the 360 but being 2X-3X the price will hurt it.

the free online is nice but I wish sony would have a more stable pay version.
Dont get e wrong I find more thigns wrong with the 360 but Sony has jsut killed all my inrest in the ps3 I dont even want to keep up with its info anymore they are trying to make it illiage to import hardware thru regions and tis only a matter of tiem befor they do it to music video and games...

ZIppyDSM: "if anything HDMI is part of hollywoods protection scheme and is "un needed"......
it seems there is no real diffrance in analog High def and DIgital High def yet."

Hmm, that isn't 1005 true. Analog and digital High Def are like night and day, starting with the medium from which they run on. Analog for instance is sent over component cables, and can only reach 1080i. Also, things such as general noise, color, cable quality and connector quality (say from source to TV/monitor) are all huge factors in an analog signal. Digital on the other hand is sent over the HDMI or DVI interface, which supports full resolution 1080p. And unlike analog, digital is not effected by outside interferience, connectors ect. It's all bits, 0 or 1, and so the signal is not changed from beginning to end. Cable quality's only factor here is the reliance of the bits that are delivered, but thats about it.

As for hollywood's part in HDMI/DVI, only HDCP is what they have infected with. The original specs have no protection like that what so ever, and it remains to be seen how long HDCP might actually last.

Sorry, someone just told me there are component cables that do 1080p, still though, no reason in my opinion to use analog cables for a 1080p picture, esp if you want the best possible.

Also to note, unless they change it, the 360's rear interface is 100% analog and will never handle a digital signal. Unless they add an hdmi port, its worthless to have a universal dongle like that... hence why now they only support 1080i at the most.

1080p for analog will only remain active for movies till around 2010-2012. games will stil do it though, but without all 360's having 1080p ability almost all devs may not develope for it.

anubis66
the mroe I ehar about the 360 and the little thigns it missed it gives me more a headache....WTF was MS even awake when they put this thing together? 0-o

anubis66 still bashing something you don't own and talking up something that nobody owns. You have to much time on your hands.

Free IS free! For all the "non-lag" and extras that live offers, you have to pay through the nose every month! After you buy a game, its stupid to have to pay for online subscription especially when they advertise "Online" on the game. If there was a chose to use the no lag and free servers, that would be fine. But you cant expect someone to pay for a subscription for online after buying a game for online.

Unlike the Xbx and the PS2 days I think sony has delt with some of the old PS2 lag issues in any case MS will have to change their service as long as the SOnys online setup is fast and stable.

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360 will only have games that are upscaled to 1080i & 1080p which is not a true signal.Far as there HD-DVD movies the highest they will get is 1080i.Why because HD-DVD will be encoded in 1080i to run through the add-on But 360 was not ever built to handle true 1080i or 1080p rez.There games are encoded in 720p but its not really true 720p because due to the fact they use a compression tool to make there game fit on a DVD-9 there games take some visual losses during the game.

DamonDash
So your saying the 360 is a hog pog of technology?
:3

Most already know the 360 is a 1.5 system made for ultra basic HD gaming the WII kinda avoids it.

the PS3 is the only Console to deal with HD in a way that looks into the future.

I have a modded xbox
a stock halo 2 xbox
a modded ps2
a 360 and love it
and will get a ps3
the 360 is just a 1.5v it still uses a DVD disc 9gb per disc max space
the ps3 uses Blu-ray disc its 25gb for just 1 layer
PS3 it the best console to get if your torn between the 360 and PS3 just more space to grow

muccione
like the war in Ieaq MS has no fing idea what they are doing with the 360,it needs another year to mature to be worth getting.
the new revision hits the shelfs in a few months so thats one less thing to worry about but now they are playing with the HD.....


The PS3 is not a much better spot pre launch is looking shaky as hell,Sony has shown they will sue any importers into the ground unless you have 2 grand to burn don't go near the PS3 for a year its just bad right now...


GET WII!!!
I can not say it enough the WII has it all ,enough graphics to fight the corporate horde and enough innovation to to meet and beat them its worth every penny but if you must burn money on soemthign upgrade your PC thats what I am doing *L*

atleast the sony has well thought-out plans for their ps3 is going. and i dont have 2k to burn, only .8k, and i'll still be getting one with the works, two games, and another controller.

anubis66
meh better off on comp and WII stuff...

right... the wii..

(ring, ring)
"hello?"
"its me"
"oh hey whats up?"
"i just want to play with your wii for a little bit.."
"sorry buddy i dont swing that way.."
(click)


i dont like it, the gui is bulky and ugly, almost photoshope done (like a 90's consirocy theorist site). the games arnt much and incoperate the sensing is such od ways sometimes. there issnt enought the wii can offer me to justify its price. though i bet you 85% that i'll have a wii when the price is sub-$150 or so.

And the 360 witch barely can do current gen graphics dose it for you?

PS3 is not worth it right now not with all the sht Sony is puling,but if you got a G to kill got at it and tel the rest of us how bad it is :P

i'll be writing a crazy in depth review for you all, i promise it. i'll take pictures and tell you how the games and online work out, aswell as anything else you'll ask.

anubis66
cool ^^

I dont mean to be an arse but the PS3 its to soon and to evil for and to costly for most so I warn aginist it for now :P

I warn agisnt the 360 as well 0-o *L*

My PS2 was FREE (bought 2 sold 1)
My 360 FREE (bought 5 sold 4 AND made $1500 cash)
My soon to have PS3 FREE
I plan to buy 6-10 PS3 and sell them on EBAY (profit about $6-10,000)thats my WII or WEEEEEEEEEEEE
So if it has problems it will not be a problem
just send it back to Sony for repair
I had to send back my 360 2 times I works just fine now
I just have to pay some poor co workers $100-$150 to stand in line with me

muccione
its funny I doubt that and yet I dont doubt it 0-o

i just doubt him getting aholf of that many ps3's unless he is a dirty retailer.

anubis66
well I mean I dont doubt one could make money off them at launch.

well its about 1.5-2k per system made on ebay.

ALmost makes me which I had credit to to get a 5G loan buy as many as I can locally then sell them off ebay for1G each with free shipping 0-o

I wouldn't hold my breath for alot of PS3 to be released in the united states. Sony is doing the same thing MS did and using the japan market as guinea Pigs to fix all of the bugs. Its still eArly all of the bugs haven't came to the top yet. MS and SONY are not your best friends, they are out to get every red cent of your money.