jcur31
dose this effect bases as well?
Bases in more modern countries like england and gremany shouldn't have such issues, Iraq ya I can see the suckage there for data movement.

I would like to see a bit more balance in it I mean disabling streams removes the ability for them to cam chat with home and such.

Soldiers haven't able to cam chat since late 2003. This only applies to the Iraqi theatre and probably afghanistan. These are make shift data centers turned semi-permanent there are limited transmission capabilities and the data stream is shared with voice, secure, non-secure Internet, video conferencing among other things.

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Soldiers haven't able to cam chat since late 2003. This only applies to the Iraqi theatre and probably afghanistan. These are make shift data centers turned semi-permanent there are limited transmission capabilities and the data stream is shared with voice, secure, non-secure Internet, video conferencing among other things.

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pfff...I should have none it was sensationalist reporting...since I have not heard about it from a few army friends,thos places need bandwidth for work not play.

Well, this may be the post that I write that ticks ALOT of you off. So in advance let me say we are talking about the freedom of speech, and this may or may not be my opinon. Some of the things I will say I agree with and some are just things to stir the pot.
First off. When you join the military, you sign over your life. For those that have I have the deepest respect. I wish I could have joined but I couldn't pass medical. When you sign over your life, or work for the military, it's exactly that. They own you. The corps are your parents. You see what they want you to see. Is it wrong...... yes..but wait........is there anouther side?
Wether one believes in the war or not it is a military persons duty to do what ever his CO tells him.
Also we as citizens, as the majority of us think the war may be wrong, we should support or troops 100 F'N percent. These men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday. I don't care if the war is wrong or right, because when your house floods and you have to be scooped off your roof, it's the military that gets you off that roof. When you call the police or firemen, some of those personal are active military, and or trained by the military. So don't you dare get mad at the military. Support them to your fullest ability.
Which leeds to anouther point.........
The true reason to cuttin youtube may never be known. But what I do know is that America as a whole has no problem complaining about our leader and our military. All those rants and raves get transfered to youtube. I can't think of the last nice thing I've heard about Iraq or any othe issues at hand, but I can remember the negative. The AP released a news report about a prisoner in Guatanamo. Saying he was tortured. That was the end of it. No explaination no nothing. Well, some people did a little research about this perticular prisoner. 3 months prior to this AP release the Red Cross interviewed him, he said he was being tortured, so the red cross asked him how, He was given a ball, with not enough, air in it to have rec time. His cell window was to small. TV time was to short and the TV did not have enough chanels. Ya thats torture. But the AP ra with the torture story nothing else.
The media will always portray the negativity to the people. And will very rarly portray the positive things. I believe their are just as much positive things in Iraq as there are negative.
Youtube is just anouther for of this media. It will always be filled with negativity about our troops, our leader, and their progress. After the troops see all this negativity, what do you think will happen to their mental stability?? It's very possible they may start to question why they are there, why they joined the military, or why they have been there the whole time and America doesn't support them?
Look people I'm not saying its right or wrong for the military to take away youtube. Who know maybe it really is a bandwidth issue maybe jcur31 is right? But with all the negativity in the media I believe that also has something to do about it. Our president may be about as smart as a box of rocks, but don't you dare say our military isn't doing a good enough job. Those men and women want to come home just as bad as we want them home. you ca garentee thay are trying their hardest to get rid of the insurgents, just as the insurgents are trying to get rid of our military.
Is it wrong to take away youtube.......who knows
Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?.........F YES
Is this rant and rave to long and bounce of topic?..........Probly guess we'll find out what the mods think.
sorry so long and scattered
LD

Originally posted by lawndog:

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Well, this may be the post that I write that ticks ALOT of you off. So in advance let me say we are talking about the freedom of speech, and this may or may not be my opinon. Some of the things I will say I agree with and some are just things to stir the pot.
First off. When you join the military, you sign over your life. For those that have I have the deepest respect. I wish I could have joined but I couldn't pass medical. When you sign over your life, or work for the military, it's exactly that. They own you. The corps are your parents. You see what they want you to see. Is it wrong...... yes..but wait........is there anouther side?
Wether one believes in the war or not it is a military persons duty to do what ever his CO tells him.
Also we as citizens, as the majority of us think the war may be wrong, we should support or troops 100 F'N percent. These men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday. I don't care if the war is wrong or right, because when your house floods and you have to be scooped off your roof, it's the military that gets you off that roof. When you call the police or firemen, some of those personal are active military, and or trained by the military. So don't you dare get mad at the military. Support them to your fullest ability.
Which leeds to anouther point.........
The true reason to cuttin youtube may never be known. But what I do know is that America as a whole has no problem complaining about our leader and our military. All those rants and raves get transfered to youtube. I can't think of the last nice thing I've heard about Iraq or any othe issues at hand, but I can remember the negative. The AP released a news report about a prisoner in Guatanamo. Saying he was tortured. That was the end of it. No explaination no nothing. Well, some people did a little research about this perticular prisoner. 3 months prior to this AP release the Red Cross interviewed him, he said he was being tortured, so the red cross asked him how, He was given a ball, with not enough, air in it to have rec time. His cell window was to small. TV time was to short and the TV did not have enough chanels. Ya thats torture. But the AP ra with the torture story nothing else.
The media will always portray the negativity to the people. And will very rarly portray the positive things. I believe their are just as much positive things in Iraq as there are negative.
Youtube is just anouther for of this media. It will always be filled with negativity about our troops, our leader, and their progress. After the troops see all this negativity, what do you think will happen to their mental stability?? It's very possible they may start to question why they are there, why they joined the military, or why they have been there the whole time and America doesn't support them?
Look people I'm not saying its right or wrong for the military to take away youtube. Who know maybe it really is a bandwidth issue maybe jcur31 is right? But with all the negativity in the media I believe that also has something to do about it. Our president may be about as smart as a box of rocks, but don't you dare say our military isn't doing a good enough job. Those men and women want to come home just as bad as we want them home. you ca garentee thay are trying their hardest to get rid of the insurgents, just as the insurgents are trying to get rid of our military.
Is it wrong to take away youtube.......who knows
Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?.........F YES
Is this rant and rave to long and bounce of topic?..........Probly guess we'll find out what the mods think.
sorry so long and scattered
LD

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Is it wrong to take away "youtube".......depends on placement if it was all bases and such that would be much ,no??

Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?
never the trops the old gray suits that live a life far above avrage peopl;e who only reall know how to steal money from the conglomerates they make or work for are genreally the ones that give the orders and the troops are forced to deal with "playing in the sands"....

all in all wars lead by the suits tend to be problematic and this war on terror is a nightmare like the war on drugs,both need to be rebalanced so they can work better.

@jcur31

Thanxs for the clarification.

lawndog, you're a good man, you didn't make me angry. You just said what I was thinking, but I couldn't put it into words. Thanks.

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Well, this may be the post that I write that ticks ALOT of you off. So in advance let me say we are talking about the freedom of speech, and this may or may not be my opinon. Some of the things I will say I agree with and some are just things to stir the pot.
First off. When you join the military, you sign over your life. For those that have I have the deepest respect. I wish I could have joined but I couldn't pass medical. When you sign over your life, or work for the military, it's exactly that. They own you. The corps are your parents. You see what they want you to see. Is it wrong...... yes..but wait........is there anouther side?
Wether one believes in the war or not it is a military persons duty to do what ever his CO tells him.
Also we as citizens, as the majority of us think the war may be wrong, we should support or troops 100 F'N percent. These men and women put their lives on the line for us everyday. I don't care if the war is wrong or right, because when your house floods and you have to be scooped off your roof, it's the military that gets you off that roof. When you call the police or firemen, some of those personal are active military, and or trained by the military. So don't you dare get mad at the military. Support them to your fullest ability.
Which leeds to anouther point.........
The true reason to cuttin youtube may never be known. But what I do know is that America as a whole has no problem complaining about our leader and our military. All those rants and raves get transfered to youtube. I can't think of the last nice thing I've heard about Iraq or any othe issues at hand, but I can remember the negative. The AP released a news report about a prisoner in Guatanamo. Saying he was tortured. That was the end of it. No explaination no nothing. Well, some people did a little research about this perticular prisoner. 3 months prior to this AP release the Red Cross interviewed him, he said he was being tortured, so the red cross asked him how, He was given a ball, with not enough, air in it to have rec time. His cell window was to small. TV time was to short and the TV did not have enough chanels. Ya thats torture. But the AP ra with the torture story nothing else.
The media will always portray the negativity to the people. And will very rarly portray the positive things. I believe their are just as much positive things in Iraq as there are negative.
Youtube is just anouther for of this media. It will always be filled with negativity about our troops, our leader, and their progress. After the troops see all this negativity, what do you think will happen to their mental stability?? It's very possible they may start to question why they are there, why they joined the military, or why they have been there the whole time and America doesn't support them?
Look people I'm not saying its right or wrong for the military to take away youtube. Who know maybe it really is a bandwidth issue maybe jcur31 is right? But with all the negativity in the media I believe that also has something to do about it. Our president may be about as smart as a box of rocks, but don't you dare say our military isn't doing a good enough job. Those men and women want to come home just as bad as we want them home. you ca garentee thay are trying their hardest to get rid of the insurgents, just as the insurgents are trying to get rid of our military.
Is it wrong to take away youtube.......who knows
Is it wrong to say Our troops don't know what their doing?.........F YES
Is this rant and rave to long and bounce of topic?..........Probly guess we'll find out what the mods think.
sorry so long and scattered
LD

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Well my dad was in WW2 and so were two of my uncles.(My uncle Jamie was wounded at Iwo Jima by a sniper and had to be carried off the beach) So I have the highest respect for the military, but I do NOT agree with this war.....nor with George Bush as a president! Neither does my dad..who is far more vocal about his feelings against Bush than even I am! And he is a WW2 vet.

But first, you need to seperate WHAT people are saying when they say negative things about the war....first off, because you are against the war does NOT ...I REPEAT...NOT...mean that YOU ARE AGAINST THE TROOPS!! That is the stupidest thing someone can say. I think the reason people want this war over is because they CARE about the troops being in harms way!

Secondly, this war is turning out like Vietnam....people are losing faith in the reason we went over there in the first place....weapons of mass destruction...(remember the reason Bush and co. told the country the reason for this war?) later on turned out to be "weapons of mass distraction"...because there WERE no WMD's...Saddam had gotten rid of all of them!

So it is natural to feel the way the american people are feeling...a LOT feel betrayed by Bush and this administration and Iraq is only ONE problem this administratiuon has bungled...there are many more...immmigration, securing the border witrh Mexico, trade agreements with China and letting China get by with any kind of tarrifs they want to put on imports comming into China from America, BUT NOT wanting to have any tarrifs for China in return.

Then there is his administration officials which numerous ones are being investigated for different crimes and some are right now IN PRISON. Those are only a few examples....there are many more.

But...is that a reflection on the troops over there doing the best they can??...NO! When you hear people talking about Iraq, next time try to think of reason WHY they are so bitter about it....but also try to understand that it has nothing to do with the troops, but it has everything to do with US leadership! The leadership is what most people are having problems with.....not the troops as far as I can tell.

(Back on topic) Now as far as youtube being taken away,I also understand that the military does not have the bandwith for highspeed video and audio, so it makes sense what they are doing.

Though I would hope that other arrangements can be made on some sattelite services to let the trops access the net in all it's glory. Because I think that our troops deserve the best..not only in equipment, but in things to do in their free time as well.

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Well now that solders can't upload videos the media is all we've got. I don't think this would be such a big deal if the pentagon didn't just announce that they would start uploading their own videos for better PR. After all of the lies you can't blame the public for being skeptical.

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Why would youtube try and cover up the truth.

America says the don't cover up lies but look at youtube. why are we lying to our people.

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why would youtube try and cover up Americas attacks on civilians ?!!!?
Why would youtube try and cover up the truth.

America says the don't cover up lies but look at youtube. why are we lying to our people.

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like the leak of the occupying forces using white phosphorus yes the us troops were using a BANNED CHEMICAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION used in the heavily populated city of Falluja on civilians this is what they want to stop. but the us troops didn't stop all the reporters and civilians from speaking the truth. that the us tried so hard to cover up and then saying it was only used as a smoke screen, these lying f**ks need to be court-martial for war crimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKVL04xkmE

try searching Falluja in youtube/google video

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4440664.stm
US troops used white phosphorus as a weapon in last year's offensive in the Iraqi city of Falluja, the US has said.

White phosphorus is highly flammable and ignites on contact with oxygen. If the substance hits someone's body, it will burn until deprived of oxygen.

Globalsecurity.org, a defence website, says: "Phosphorus burns on the skin are deep and painful... These weapons are particularly nasty because white phosphorus continues to burn until it disappears... it could burn right down to the bone."

A spokesman at the UK Ministry of Defence said the use of white phosphorus was permitted in battle in cases where there were no civilians near the target area.

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I guess the sad part of the whole deal is that instead of using this opportunity to learn all the facts about the story, It has turned into a soap box for the very people that we volunteer soldiers are giving our lives for everyday to protect to disrespect our lives.

A few isolated incidents does not sum up the character of the millions of us who live by ethical codes.

In all actuality there couldn't be a better reason to allow soldiers to watch these videos. Allowing soldiers, even forcing them to watch these atrocities go on would be the best training videos out there.

I was always taught, Perception is Reality, this is important to know because now matter how chopped up or mis-dated a video is, or even real for that matter, this is what people see, so it is what they believe. Knowing this, most soldiers know how high the bar has to be set to do things correctly and just how the slightest mistake will be blown out of proportion.

The best part of it all is that, know matter how much you tear apart us soldiers, know matter what you post or show, no matter how much you empower the enemy, I will still fight with pride, allowing you to say what you want to say, on any forum. You see this is the very reason I do this, so we keep these freedoms. So I applaud you for speaking your mind, you are aloud to say whatever you want, and you can still do so because of men like me.

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i guess thats why Al Jazeera television NEWS studios has had their headquarters blown up killing innocent reporters by the us even though they issued the gps co-ordinates for the studios. then the us try to convince ppl that it was an al qaeda facility.

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November 13, 2001 – The U.S. launches a missile attack on Al Jazeera’s office in Kabul, Afghanistan. In making the case that this was a deliberate attack, Al Jazeera’s managing director, Mohammed Jasim al-Ali, says “This office has been known by everybody, the American airplanes know the location of the office.” Although no Al Jazeera staff was hurt in the attack, the building was destroyed and some employees’ homes were damaged. In a letter to Al Jazeera dated December 6, U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense Victoria Clarke says “the building we struck was a known Al Qaeda facility in central Kabul.”

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and then the same in iraq http://www.fsrn.org/headlines/20030408_headlines.html

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then the uk top secret memo was leaked http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10153489/

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LONDON - A civil servant has been charged under Britain’s Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested that Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.

The Daily Mirror reported that Bush spoke of targeting Al-Jazeera’s headquarters in Doha, Qatar, when he met Blair at the White House on April 16, 2004. The Bush administration has regularly accused Al-Jazeera of being nothing more than a mouthpiece for anti-American sentiments.

The Daily Mirror attributed its information to unidentified sources. One source, said to be in the government, was quoted as saying that the alleged threat was “humorous, not serious,” but the newspaper quoted another source as saying that “Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair.”

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and the us is all for feee speach, i seriously doubt that fact, they are conducting an immoral war occupying a foreign country that they took by force for oil and the American DOD is just trying to cover up more stories by silencing everyone they can!

TELL THE TRUTH - Mos Def - Immortal Technique - Eminem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0

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You see that's the beauty of it, something you will never understand. Until you have to fear for your life for speaking your mind, or choosing to be a caged animal controlled by your government you will think everything in the world is a pretty euphoria. Take the time to travel to some third world countries. Life isn't all Internet and video games.

You can say it's for oil. I won't deny you that probably plays a big part of why we are there. When countries threaten the global economy it is important. When Iran took the British Sailors and Marines for those 15 day's it shot the price of crude oil up 3-5 percent. They export 2.5 million barrels a day. They made an extra 100 million dollars a day by causing this strategically planed disturbance. They only gave the soldiers back when a Brittain posed a true military threat.

The same thing is happening right now in Venezuela. You will see a civil war there in the next couple of years. Hugo Chavez became president and then took control of all the oil. At the same time he created a better life for a lot of people in his country. This is not bad, Who knows if the major oil companies where giving those people there fair share. All I know is that several American companies spent hundreds of billions of dollars to build that infostructure. Now they are sent packing with little to no return.

The reason I bring this up is because now that he has the trust of a good number of his citizens he is taking away all there rights. At the end of this month, he is shutting down the only independent TV station there. They are turning it into a state run news station. Hundreds of thousand of people marched on the capitol to protest this week. He has already said if you don't like what I am doing, get out. So it won't be long before he is killing his own people to shut down free speech. This turmoil will cause crude oil prices to shoot up drastically. You will definitely feel it at the pump. Should no one step in when he is killing his own people and tearing up the global economy?

Now the very important part about this conflict. There are around 33 million people in Iraq. We have 140,000 soldiers. This is a 236 to 1 ratio. It is said that is takes 10 soldiers to take down 1 insurgent by rule. At any time they wish, Iraq could either ask us to leave or forcibly tell us to leave. The shear numbers tell you that no matter what kind of military equipment we had over there it wouldn't take long to kill every US soldier. I'm sure that's what you would like to see.

I have looked into the eyes of Men, women, and children over there. They are very grateful and they are strong willed knowing that at the end of this they will come out on top. Until you see it for yourself you will never understand.

The media only shows you the horrible thing that are going on over there, it gives people like you, sitting on your soap box something to talk about. Some reason to hate the Replicants in the white house now. But if you think things are going to change when Dems get into power think again. The Democrat majority Congress already has a lower approval rating then our President.

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Just as many Reporters covering the coalition have been injured or killed. Ask Bob Woodruff. When you CHOOSE to be a reporter in a combat zone, you have to be aware of the chance that you can be injured or killed. Should we not return fire on enemies firing at us just because there is a reporter with them.But this obviously doesn't matter to you because in your eyes, there is only one side to every story.

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Quote:Just as many Reporters covering the coalition have been injured or killed. Ask Bob Woodruff. When you CHOOSE to be a reporter in a combat zone, you have to be aware of the chance that you can be injured or killed. Should we not return fire on enemies firing at us just because there is a reporter with them.But this obviously doesn't matter to you because in your eyes, there is only one side to every story.

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The point was al Jazeera was purposely targeted in both Afghanistan and Iraq by the US forces to silence reports from the area, cutting off reports other than the heavily edited ones, with most of the reporters that were only allowed to travel with the coalition forces. and only report selected stories.

It may pay to read about Mesopotamia and what the west did to these ppl including the *great* Winston Churchill.

you know the opec members were starting to trade oil for euros 1st was Iraq then iran then north korea omg its axis of evil 1,2 & 3 right there and its not about the oil. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/...,900867,00.html

then omg President Hugo Chavez wanted for all opec members to trade in euros which would have had dire consequences for the $ but that's enough to slaughter innocent ppl for isn't and you say Hugo Chavez is killing freedom of speech!

YouTube already has a system in place where you have to have an account to watch violent videos or anything that depicts graphic acts.

This just sounds like a big propaganda cover-up to me.

wow all this free speech going on is great. To bad every country can't have the same policies. Let's see in the old Iraq anybody that didn't agree with Saddam would be dead. So Pigfister, that would be you. Viva free speech
LD

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wow all this free speech going on is great. To bad every country can't have the same policies. Let's see in the old Iraq anybody that didn't agree with Saddam would be dead. So Pigfister, that would be you. Viva free speech
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Iraq was a democracy before America interfered and installed what they thought to be a pro western dictatorship by their own CIA clowns, try to read some history books dude! but this information in the uk and us is not taught in schools another form of censorship maybe? sounds like they have been doing the propaganda thing longer than the block on all YouTube, Myspace, Blogging & wtf not allowing Emails, Letters without getting the red editing pen out that's a free society for ya!

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I think I remember hearing something on the news about soldiers using MySpace blogs/YouTube and some them supposedly shared info about their ops there were to take place the next day. So, if the 'insurgents' were to view that, they would have the preemptive against them.

I heard something else about if even one person shoots at a soldier, they are ordered to shoot everyone, regardless if they pose a threat or not, is this true?

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I think I remember hearing something on the news about soldiers using MySpace blogs/YouTube and some them supposedly shared info about their ops there were to take place the next day. So, if the 'insurgents' were to view that, they would have the preemptive against them.

I heard something else about if even one person shoots at a soldier, they are ordered to shoot everyone, regardless if they pose a threat or not, is this true?

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also filed ops need bandwidth for ops not for myspace or WOW,so its not like all bases have locked down the net.

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meh anyone that survived to senior and was somewhat helpful should only get monthly bans :P
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