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Nokia: The end is coming for MP3 player and camcorder manufacturers

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 22 Mar 2006 17:36 User comments (68)

Nokia: The end is coming for MP3 player and camcorder manufacturers A senior executive at the worlds largest mobile phone maker, Nokia, told the Financial Times newspaper that the end is coming for makers of MP3 players and camcorders. Anssi Vanjoki, head of the multimedia unit at Nokia, pointed out the impact camera phones have had on the photo industry in the past years. With 100 million camera phones produced last year, Nokia is world's largest camera manufacturer. Nokia forecasted the death of the photo industry in the company's 2000 forecast.
Konica Minolta Holdings Inc. said in January it will withdraw from the business. Back in 2004, Agfa-Gevaert sold its famous photographic arm. "In the next 6-12 months, there will be more of these announcements. The next to disappear will be the makers of music devices and then the manufacturers of video cameras," Vanjoki was quoted as saying. Devices such as Apple's iPod could come up against tough competition as music phones evolve.

In 2005, Nokia made 40 million music handsets. This year, the company hopes to double that figure. Recording video has been possible on many expensive Smartphone models, and now the feature is beginning to show up on less expensive phones. In just a few short years, this feature may be considered a standard in all new phones.

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68 user comments

122.3.2006 18:35

I don't know about you, but I don't particularly like the idea of a device that has personal photos and music files stored on it that can then broadcast info about those to the manufacturer. Then again I am really paranoid. That sux about minolta though. I really liked their cameras.

222.3.2006 19:12
theridges
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i highly doubt replace camcorders and mp3 yea right video from a phone sux badly only good to show your friend something on your phone nokia is going overboard......

322.3.2006 21:20
vegeta66
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yea i agree i consider myself slightlty paranoid due recent events(home land security act and others) but really who needs a phone.camera, and a mp3 player all in one its stupid i'd rather have them all seperate in case one breaks and besides i use a phone to call someone not view pics or vids or music besides people are all ready to lazy

422.3.2006 22:08

theridges.. Think about it though. The technology of these phones is only going to get better and better. Eventually, they'll be a WHOLE lot better than they are now.. Perhaps good enough to pose a threat to companies selling Camcorders. As for mp3 players.. Well all they need now is a larger storage capacity and perhaps a better interface for browsing music/creating playlists.

522.3.2006 22:33

My new Nokia N70 just replaced my iPod. The N70 has a radio and the iPod is missing this feature!

623.3.2006 0:21

My Nokia 6280 just replaced my ipod also with its 2gb card :) There right for cameras aswell the only thing I take pictures with is my phone. Its plenty good enough for the fun snaps you get every day

723.3.2006 0:27

Nokia is going way overboard, can a phone hold 2 hours of Digital Video NO! The most hard disk space a phone can hold so far is 8GB and thats from Samsung. Plus no phone can take more than 2 Mega-Pixels again, Samsung. And I don't know about you, but I have no way of getting my pics off my phone without paying for some special flat pin USB that is only made for my phone. They really did a bad job on all phones with there crappy USP plug-is over the past few years, its only now they are realizing that a standard 4 pin is the way to go. If you ask me Nokia is WAY behind on the times.

823.3.2006 1:34

My Treo 650 replaced my MP3 player ages ago. I never used to carry my camera with me, but I use the camera on my Treo all the time, for photos and video. Sure, my actual camera is better than the one on the phone, but not enough better to justify carrying both. And yeah, my MP3 player stores more music than 2GB, but again, not enough to make it worth carrying on a day-to-day basis. And I can play movies on my phone, and yes, I can store 4 hours on the 2GB card at a decent resolution if I want to. Seperate cameras and media player devices will always be better than integrated devices, but they aren't ENOUGH better to make it worth it carrying them.

923.3.2006 3:15
MrToast
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I would prefer to say that there will be a device that can do all of media requirements and have phone use. I like my Ipod but it is only a matter of time like others have said before Samsung brings things all together. Although I do share the paranoid feelings of data collection too... Yet again, it's only a matter of time before children are born with an information access number so they can download music, video, and email straight into their brains! Could you imagine, "Mr and Ms Cone, your baby is fine, we just need to hold him for a chip upgrade... you can see him if you like... he is the one with the Nokia sign stamped on his neck... His phone number is..." Heh

1023.3.2006 3:51
mark_d
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No more camcorders? Well, that's going to suck big time. Who the hell wants to watch cell phone footage on a HDTV? Sorry, cell phones will never improve enough to handle high def. Nokey is blowing smoke.

1123.3.2006 5:17

^^^^ What he said

1223.3.2006 6:10

"can a phone hold 2 hours of Digital Video NO!" Yes they can depending on the video quality and the memory size (which are both getting better every year) "Plus no phone can take more than 2 Mega-Pixels again, Samsung." The amount of megapixels doesn't tell you everything. You can have better quality pictures with a 2 megapixel camera than a 3 megapixel camera (compare your Samsung cameras to Nokia N90 which has a Carl Zeiss lens). Besides, Nokia does have a 3 megapixel model (N80). "And I don't know about you, but I have no way of getting my pics off my phone without paying for some special flat pin USB that is only made for my phone." Lol the data cable is something like 19 euros and it even comes in the package with many of the models. And it even works on most Nokia models. But why on earth wouldn't you want to buy a 15 euro bluetooth antenna for your computer which works with every bluetooth cabable device out there? "They really did a bad job on all phones with there crappy USP plug-is over the past few years" Samsung and every other manufacturers did even worse. They have many different cable types for their models. Even the chargers are different between their models! "its only now they are realizing that a standard 4 pin is the way to go". They are one of the first. "If you ask me Nokia is WAY behind on the times." I disagree ;).

1323.3.2006 6:48
mikey_ray
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dude i will be completely honest when i say it is not the end of these products just that the product we have come to know will have to adapt to the new medium of toys i for one want an all in one machine----I LOVE the psp imagine if it had a hard drive like the ipod for video ,tv,show,and if it had an antenna to watch live brodcast-----and put a phone with a 2megapixel camera in it it would be an all in one player--movies,tv,mp3,games,photo-phone--- DUDE IT WOULD BE WORTH the 400 dollar tag---cause you would spend that much if not more on seperate products

1423.3.2006 8:14
rootboy
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There will always be a market for individual devices. 1st off, there's the issue of battery life. If they could solve that problem, there would be a hell of a better argument for all-in-one devices. Second, people don't want a device that does 15 things poorly or just adequately. They want a device that does what they want to do and does it very well. That is why the ipod remains ubiquitous despite the fact the almost everybody owns some other mp3 player they didn't even want and may not even realize they have, either in their phone or in their car CD player or in their GPS or in their pocket PC.

1523.3.2006 8:46
gogochar
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Does this mean the end of all camcorders? What about the memories of those in the future? How will they be able to record them? I surely hope this is a hoax!

1623.3.2006 10:32

Just my two cents -- the battery life of a phone is already HORRIBLE even if you only make calls... or even if you DON'T make calls at all. So if we use our phones to be cameras, audio players, lawnmowers, etc... we may have fewer devices to carry but we will have to carry spare batteries. I don't want to die because I needed a phone to call 911 (or a tow truck) and my phone battery died because I just watched the Star Wars trilogy on my phone while using it to film a documentary.

1723.3.2006 10:43
JP1357
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I think their phone would be to big, I would'nt want to carry it around with me. Let's face it, the lens alone would have to increase in size, the f-stop on those small lenses is just to slow. What about optical zoom? got to have room for the lens to move, with auto-focus. The CCD or CMOS would have to grow to match my digital camera. That's just some of the things they would have to overcome to bring a phone to market that would make you want to use it over your still camera or camcorder.

1823.3.2006 10:57

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i highly doubt replace camcorders and mp3 yea right video from a phone sux badly only good to show your friend something on your phone nokia is going overboard......
Thats the technology now, but he is talking in a few years and a lot happens with technology in a few years.
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Nokia is going way overboard, can a phone hold 2 hours of Digital Video NO! The most hard disk space a phone can hold so far is 8GB and thats from Samsung. Plus no phone can take more than 2 Mega-Pixels again, Samsung.
Once again, he's not talking about right now. He's saying in a few years when the technology is better and video cameras are standard in phones.
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There will always be a market for individual devices. 1st off, there's the issue of battery life. If they could solve that problem, there would be a hell of a better argument for all-in-one devices. Second, people don't want a device that does 15 things poorly or just adequately.
Yea, if they can make batteries last a lot longer, which in a few years time they will, all in one devices will be everywhere. That is the major downfall of all in one things right now. Not only all in one devices though, like the terrible battery life of ipod videos.
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Does this mean the end of all camcorders? What about the memories of those in the future? How will they be able to record them? I surely hope this is a hoax!
OK, you obviously only read the title if your response was that.

1923.3.2006 11:52

It's about time, I feel as if I have been waiting for a century. Gone is my ipod yippie, c u later to my old 6130i nokia. I want a phone that has an audio out jack point (with a half decent sound card on board), a video camera, a still photo cam, and an fm transmitter/receiver, and most importantly "a fuckin decent battery (this is whats holding everything up and nokia knows it)!

2023.3.2006 12:35

Technology doesn't slow down. The battery problem may be solved with nanotechnology. My understanding is that they are working on a photocell that will recharge batteries using room light. Once the battery problem is resolved the rest will come in time. Why make higher resolution cameras when people are scrambling to buy what's out there now. Same thing with built in MP3 players. With the minature 1 inch hard drives just hitting the scene the storage space is soon to be history for both MP3s and video. Try to buy a cell phone that is simply a phone today. They are getting harder to find. I think Nokia is right on target, but perhaps 5 years too early.

2123.3.2006 12:39

The main thing i would be worried about is the lose factor, because if you loose this one phone, thats everything, now on the other hand if i lose my camcorder, i still have my ipod ( which i can watch videos on anyways, dont need to record my life is boring.)

2223.3.2006 13:00

Don't lose it then. :)

2323.3.2006 13:40
mark_d
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I like the idea more and more kids are listening to their, umm, music on little devices and respecting everybody's desire not to hear it. But once they get older and make more money they'll want that big screen tv and big beautiful surround sound experience just like the rest of us who have Denon's, Yamaha's, Sony's, Bose, etc. Some people use their camcorders to take still pictures and some of them swear it's better than having seperates and it won't be long before still cameras disappear. What enthusiasm, eh?

2423.3.2006 14:34

i will never support the cell phone industry cell phones suk just something else to lose who needs a camera and mp3 player in there phone anyway nowif the could make a phone that shoots 44mag slugs id buy it

2523.3.2006 14:58

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who needs a camera and mp3 player in there phone anyway
Um I do. I use my SLVR everyday at school to listen to music. I have the 1,000 song itunes as well so i have 230 songs on it so it never runs dry.

2623.3.2006 15:24
jim3000gt
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Well, you only have to look at how far the big box computers have come since 1995. Now not only do we have a computer but an entertainment center. I can store hundreds of songs just like the old juke boxes and also store many videos as well. Now that we have wireless connections, I can broadcast straight from my little box to the Television set or the surround system for music. The one thing I don't believe is what they are saying about cameras going away. I don't know of to many phones that can take a far away zoom shot or one that you can do scene adjustments with. I'll keep my slr and save the cell-phone camera for taking police brutality shots

2723.3.2006 15:34

Camcorders and Cameras are beginning to come together now. There was one recently that I saw in Best Buy, that billed itself as camera, camcorder, and professional movie camera. The professional movie camera because it has all those special bells and whistles on it that other professional-quality cameras had, for only $500! I was REALLY tempted to pick that baby up!

2823.3.2006 16:30

I always chuckle at people who try to predict the future of technology. Whoever can predict the future has access to instant millions. Failures include 8 track cartidge tape players, music DAT and mini disc technology, laser discs and others that were predicted to take over. Palm pilots were going to replace laptops and in fact desktops. Hasn't happened. I remember years ago predictions that our landline phones would all be replaced by video phones where we would see who we were talking to.Hasn't happened. Nobody suggested back then that the move would be towards mobility. Personally, I am very sceptical about phones replacing everything simply because there is a limit to what you can get into a small physical space despite technological advances. At the end of the day, the main reason for having a mobile phone is to make calls. As far as camcorders are concerned, some peopel suggest dvd camcorders are the way of the future yet the quality is inferior to digital tape. And so it goes on.Just when you think something will become the standard somethign new is invented rendering the old technology obsolete. Look at Blue Ray and HD Dvd compared ot standard dvd.

2923.3.2006 16:53

When I look at a photo, or movie I want quality. The phone is limited by the lens which is limited by the laws of physics. My phone has 640 X 480 max resolution which is a nice *small* snapshot displayed on the computer screen. At 2 mega-pixels they are pushing the limits of the capability of any lens that will fit a cell phone. Unlike some others I see a tremendous difference between even the best cell phone camera and my good digital cameras. The camera phones enable people to shoot small snapshots of things they'd not normally bother with if they had to get their cameras, but I seriously doubt they will make much of a dent in the photo industry. BTW, I wanted just a plain phone but I could only get one with a camera. How many others were stuck with the same decision? I think the number of camera phones sold is a long way from being related to the number of cameras they will replace. So far I've seen nothing in the way of phones that comes close to my digital camcorder even displayed on TV and they lag even farther from good still cameras. For music I'll stick with the satellite radio stations or my old CDs. I think the dude from Nokia is just blowing wishful smoke and I have stock in the company too.

3023.3.2006 17:20

Hey everyone.... Just wanted to say that cell phones that take pictures/video and also play MP3's are great....except... there will always be a market for products which are "high end" .... I don't care how many megapixels you have got.... If the optics going in to the CCD are bad you get a bad picture!!!! Neil in Chile

3123.3.2006 20:00
truenio
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It is definitely a good idea of have all-in-1 devices for personal communication, entertainment,video,camera,voice, music and perhaps, even one that has enough power to run a vmware for bring everything one ever needs around. The only question is when. There are a couple of hurdles to cross especially battery life, storage, really usable input interface and a really good but small lense.

3223.3.2006 20:59
bac711
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Show me a phone that I can attatch my 650mm-1300mm Super Telephoto lens to, or has that kind of zoom built in, with at least 6 megapixels, and I'll start to believe that the camera has hit the end of it's lifespan... I doubt we'll ever see National Geographic photographers in the field, taking production photos with their cell phones.

3323.3.2006 21:28
Mrphyco
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The science fiction of today is the possible science fact of tommorow. 30 years ago when I watched Star Treck with thier comunicators it was science fiction, the only thing we don't have from that today is the means to transport. Give it time

3423.3.2006 23:03
erector
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They have lost there marbles and are not in touch with reality. I agree with a lot that's been said previous but for me, the phone I have goes off and I answer it, thats it's use. Yup it has a camera, but that was not a feature I wanted, it was just on it, it does vid too and a bit of music, again, this feature was on it. The death of MP3 music is a bit wild, I have 2 cars and 2 vans and a phone will never replace my mps players in them, the vids crap quality and the pics, come on, give me a break , the bit I desire on my phone is missing, the battery life sucks big time, with all this stuff going on them, that can only get worse unless they go nuclear powered. The peeps that are doing the PR are doing the same trick as normal, banging on and on trying to make a person buy the latest gadget, because the PR person wants you to have it, not because you want it.

3524.3.2006 2:58

That 'senior executive' is just trying to get buzz for Nokia products. IMO, a camera in a phone in most cases is one of the stupidest things the industry has ever done. The quality sucks. You get about 1/16 of the features of even the cheapest digital camera. Any serious videographer will consider this story a joke. Admitedly, I do see less and less people with camcorders every year. But they WON'T be replaced by phones! They won't be replaced at all. HD technology is starting to catch on. I also see 500gb flash card type camcorders in the near future, if they aren't already here. Nokia, pleeeeze. For MP3 players such as the iPod being replaced by phones. Is this guy on crack! I'm spitting up my coffee this is so laughable. These kinds of predictions remind of the swiss army knife that can do ANYTHING. Yet when you're cutting your steak, you still use your Wusthof <nice stand alone knife> if you had one. Just because Nokia keeps cramming more carp in their phones so they can stir more sales doesn't mean it's a good thing. I'm doing something a little unconventional with mine. I'm making and receiving calls. And the only add-on i need is a hole at the top for my earpiece for when I'm driving.

3624.3.2006 3:40

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That 'senior executive' is just trying to get buzz for Nokia products. IMO, a camera in a phone in most cases is one of the stupidest things the industry has ever done. The quality sucks. You get about 1/16 of the features of even the cheapest digital camera. Any serious videographer will consider this story a joke.
You have got to be kidding me!? To me it seems that you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about. Or do you think the following picture taken with a camera phone is terrible quality: [url]http://tinyurl.com/pkqaj[/url] ? Or this: [/url]http://tinyurl.com/hg6uv[/url] . Either you think those are awful or you don't know anything about recent camera phones...
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3824.3.2006 4:23
TRS-80
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My eyesight isn't the greatest in the world, so when Nokia (or any other manufacturer) can make a cellphone(?) with a display larger than a postage stamp, I might consider it (although I seriously doubt that a cellphone will be able to get the same pictures as my Nikon D200). Hmmmmm.... a cellphone picture blown up to 16x20" I'd love to see that one.

3924.3.2006 5:59

Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have got to be kidding me!? To me it seems that you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about. Or do you think the following picture taken with a camera phone is terrible quality: [url]http://tinyurl.com/pkqaj[/url] ? Or this: [/url]http://tinyurl.com/hg6uv[/url] . Either you think those are awful or you don't know anything about recent camera phones... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah. You got me there, dude. I must have been crazy to think that stand alone digital cameras are better than ones built into mobile phones. What was I thinking. I should have my head examined. BTW. Nice photos. I especially like the detail in one picture that said THERE IS NO LINK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TINY URL." Moron.

4024.3.2006 7:33

Well, I don't like nokias. I don't have an i-pod but the wife has a philips mp3 player. I have a vid camera but no camera. I use my motorola E398 for mp3 and it is as good as the phillips and has 256mb storage. The photos come out on the screen quite well and I can move stuff to and from my comp by usb or bluetooth. Personally, I'd rather have it all in one on the phone.

4124.3.2006 8:16
shraven
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This executive has his head so far up his butt, he's licking his own ego. Convergence devices are nice. I carry a Moto e815. Maybe phones will replace the MP3 player someday, but now the MP3 players are video recorders/players and either the phones are going to be huge or the screens are going to be tiny. But I'm not about to reach for my phone when I'm going somewhere intending to take pictures or video. The quality is not and never will be equal. The lense factor alone makes the camera a poor cousin.

4224.3.2006 8:23

"In the next 6-12 months, there will be more of these announcements. The next to disappear will be the makers of music devices and then the manufacturers of video cameras," Vanjoki was quoted as saying. This guy needs a serious reality chech IMHO. Digital camcorders disappearing in 6-12 months? Battery life on phones alone are bad enough w/o adding video capabilities. I would much rather have digital images stored on my HDD and make prints as needed.

4324.3.2006 10:14

It's not just a technology issue either, how about convienience? I have a very good camcorder and a decent 1gb mp3 player. Both of which i am 100% happy with but to use these things you have to plan ahead, you have to think about picking thm up and taking them out with you. They never seem to be there when you need them unless you plan to use them. The London bombings for example were covered by people with video hones and camera phones. If it had happened a few years earlier there would have been no footage at all but that is nothing at all to do with technology, simply that people do not carry video cameras on a daily basis.

4424.3.2006 18:38

I WILL NEVER CHANGE MY CAMERA OR MY !POD FOR A NOKIA PHONE EVEN IF IT HAS CAMERA OR MP3 BUILD IN. THERE IS NO WAY A PHONE WILL HAVE 7 OR 8 MEGAPIXELS AND THE TECH FOR HAVING GREAT PICTURES. AND THERE IS NO WAY A TELEPHONE WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY OF THE !POD. EVEN WHEN THE TECH OF THE PHONES FROM NOKIA ( THIS ARE THE MOST UGLY´S TELEPHONES) ADVANCE WITH TIME. THE SAME IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE CAMERAS AND THE MP3 PLAYERS. SOO. KEEP DREAMING NOKIA EXECUTIVES.

4524.3.2006 20:38

Well im always amused to this old tradition wich started last century, in which marketting has not only sold us but burned into our brains that there is no limit for any kind of technology, i just read 1 comment saying that laws of physics have a limmit on how far phone cameras can go and i say BRAVO!! someone made a smart point! no matter what, there is a limit not made by the capacity of those good old godlike scientist but of the laws of physics, no matter what, if the cammeraphones start rushing into the market theyll make (and have made) one thing happen, digital cammeras prices to go down, wich will eventually mean to be able to buy a professional digital cammera for 500 bucks or less, in the end, ill end up having my cellphone for calls and a professional digital cammera which as a matter or fact will never be even close to be compared to a phonecammera, yes you read well NEVER, not a matter of shortmind, just a knowledge of physics wich says that if phones always tend to be smaller, ill never get the quality im looking for

4624.3.2006 21:08

I don't care if mp3 players die out. Mp3 sounds like crap anyway. Cell phone pics are kinda the same crap equivalent of mp3 also. It's sad to see the wholesale movement away from quality. Unfortunately there may come a day when you can't get quality music sound or a decent camera unless you are rich. Hopefully sanity will prevail in the end.

4724.3.2006 21:37

The end for MP3 players? Nah, possible, but not likely.... End of Camcorders or Digi Cams? Hell no.. Cell phones are great, but the problem with ALL IN ONE's that they rarely do everything (or sometimes any one thing) well. Example: HP All in one printers. horrible qualit. I think that cell phones WILL put pressure on the portable audio player market, but don't think it will ever replace them, especially for players meant for the gym. Who the heck wants to go jogging with their phone on their arm or belt. Not eye, I don't wanna be bothered when I'm working out with some call that can wait. As for quality for digi cams / video cams? The cell phone market will only be (at best even) @ 25% of the quality of the best digi cam out there. There for it will never replace the camera. might make selling slim cameras a lil more interesting, but wouldn't take them out of the loop. I couldn't ever imagine taking a family photo or a pic at disney with only a cell phone. Same with video, it just doesn't have the features or quality that hand held vidoe cams have. Not now, and anytime soon... (not even within the next 5-10 years)

4824.3.2006 21:53

The problem with mobile 'phones is that they come with mobile telephony contracts which cost extra for things I will never use. I don't recall that my excellent Fuji camera or my Creative Touch came encumbered with a 'keep on paying us to use these devices' contracts. I've got a camera/mp3 'phone because that's all I could get. So I got a 'pay as you go' contract to try to save a bit of the hard earned. Never use it for mp3 'cos the creative blows it away, never use it to take photos because there is no control over the process whatsoever and it has a fixed length lens and the output is pants compared to a 'real' camera, and as for video - you have got be joking. The day may come when everything is in one case, but my guess is that like everything that has ever been made that is a do-it-all device there will still be performance compromises that some people (that's me) won't be prepared to accept.

4925.3.2006 2:44
juniorken
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1. phones get used/broken quite easily so once every 1 or 2 years i have to get a new one; 2. the mp3-player on my nokia 6230 is probably ok for most people but the sound on my creative zen is way better; 3. a friend of my mum has a sony-ericsson phone with 2megapixel camera but that one can't keep up with my panasonic lumix. As long as mobile phones don't have a decent analog lens there's no way they'll ever have the same quality as a decent digital or analog camera. But i think also nokia has a point... most of the people are not in for three seperate devices even if the quality is better and will get a cellphone who has these features. Look what happened to the audio industry some years ago. People who are really fond of hifi will get a system with seperated devicees. But who buys them? Mostly only people who wanna spend money to that. The others buy an integrated system with lower quality but also cheaper.

5025.3.2006 12:55

COmplete rubbish. I've yet to see a phone that can deliver picture quality anywhere near that of a digital camera, even a £40 2 megapixel one that's two years old! Why do you think SLR cameras are still made in digital form? You can't get a decent picture quality without a big lens, which as you might realise, won't fit in a phone. You also have to remember, high-end nokia phones are about as reliable as a car made of chocolate. I wouldn't rely on any nokia phone with a load of features given the grief I've seen with them.

5125.3.2006 13:06

this article is crap,and i would not believe it read this as thay have a new drive out and now being use in mp-3 players.and i am sure it will be used in camcorder and digital cameras,very soon... Toshiba has already shipped 40GB and 80GB, 1.8-inch PMR drives. At press time, only Toshiba's Megabeat MP3 players, sold in Japan, feature them, A Faster, Denser Hard Drive Debuts http://dvdxcopy.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/320915

5225.3.2006 14:11

Erm, shouldn't it be gigabeat? I own one!




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5326.3.2006 7:14
llongtheD
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Hey, this is no BS guys. I heard that National Geographic, Time, Sports Illustrated, and many top broadcasting company's are going to "do away" with their epuipment. They are going to arm their photographers, and videographers with Nokia's new all in one cell phone/camera/videocamera/mp3 player. This is about as far fetched as the executive from Nokia's statement. I agree with the person earlier that said this is nothing more than a publicity stunt. Unless they start building their phones the size of a shoe box, and you carry around a backpack full of lenses and accesories. I did get a good laugh out of the aritcle though.

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5426.3.2006 8:31

Pretty daft comments from the senior executive. They might well have an impact on the casual buyers, people who only want a camera for taking photos when they're on holiday but that's about it. But even then you're talking probably 2-3 years not 6-12 months. There's no chance that anybody serious about photography will start using a cellphone instead of dedicated camera. As regards MP3 players, again they might take a small part of the market, for example the smaller 512Mb/1Gig market but that's about all. I've got a spv550 phone and a Creative Zen and to be honest my Zen hardly ever gets used now unless i'm going on a long trip. I can just plug my phone into my PC in the morning, give it five minutes and it's put a load of new songs on it for me to listen to. Which is great for the daily commute to work but still no use if you're going on a long trip. And that's all without pointing out that Nokia phones are bloody useless anyway. If Nokia and other cellphone manufacturers want to make easy money all they have to do is actually start releasing their new phones in North America instead of Europe only. When I first moved over to Canada and walked into a cellphone shop it was like taking a trip back in time given the quality of the phones available.

5526.3.2006 13:33

While phones will never match the capabilities of dedicated equipment they can come close enough to satisfy a great many folks. I've had my Samsung T809 for a couple months now and it's become a good enough MP3 player for me especially after I fitted it with a 512MB TransFlash card. I like the ability to have all those tunes on tap wherever I go without having to carry a dedicated MP3 player. The camera it came with isn't too bad either. It's a 1.3 megapixel that can take pics at up to 1280x1024 (they look good - I've tried it) with various metering and ISO settings. It's nice to be able to snap decent quality photos wherever I'm at. It'll record video as well. Like I said before, they won't replace high performance dedicated equipment but it can't be denied that they're getting much better.

5626.3.2006 14:57

Nephilim, How the hell are you? Good to see you back here at our nursery school play yard. I thought you may have gotten tired of sending us brats to our rooms for "timeouts".

5726.3.2006 18:19
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5826.3.2006 19:34

freshguy, I'm back from the dead.

5927.3.2006 0:56

Lol welcome back, you havent missed much.

6028.3.2006 2:00

Come on guys, catch up. Not so many years ago you wouldnt have believed you could have a mobile phone at all, it was science fiction just like the computer you're so fond of. It's gonna happen, and the quality will be every bit as good as the best digital camera/camcorder/mp3 player on the market yet, and who knows what else they'll incorporate into it. Personally I cant wait.......science fiction?

6128.3.2006 6:09

Fiction. Not science fiction.

6228.3.2006 8:57

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It's gonna happen, and the quality will be every bit as good as the best digital camera/camcorder/mp3 player on the market yet
They may, in the future, come to equal the best we have today but the technologies for MP3 players and cameras especially will continue to get better as well. Multiuse products simply can't equal dedicated equipment. No phone in the world will ever compare to the best quality digital SLR. The opposite would be true as well - they could probably stick phones in iPods and cameras but they wouldn't compare to a dedicated phone.

6328.3.2006 22:26

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"can a phone hold 2 hours of Digital Video NO!" Yes they can depending on the video quality and the memory size (which are both getting better every year)
You are a Fucking Moron!!! Digital Video is a standard! There is no depending on video quality or whatever you were talking about. Digital Video is a standard 8 MB/sec 29.97 frames/sec 720x480 NTSC. No phone in the word will be able to produce that withough dropping fames for many years.
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"Plus no phone can take more than 2 Mega-Pixels again, Samsung." The amount of megapixels doesn't tell you everything. You can have better quality pictures with a 2 megapixel camera than a 3 megapixel camera (compare your Samsung cameras to Nokia N90 which has a Carl Zeiss lens). Besides, Nokia does have a 3 megapixel model (N80).
OK, my bad, but 3 Megapixels is still NOTHING compared to Cannon or Nikon cameras. first off all camera phones have a time delay of like a quarter of a second to a half a second. Whereas digital camers have significantly reduced that time. Camera phones have really crappy zoom too.
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"And I don't know about you, but I have no way of getting my pics off my phone without paying for some special flat pin USB that is only made for my phone." Lol the data cable is something like 19 euros and it even comes in the package with many of the models. And it even works on most Nokia models. But why on earth wouldn't you want to buy a 15 euro bluetooth antenna for your computer which works with every bluetooth cabable device out there?
Not everyone has a bluetooth phone, nor do they want to pay $20 to get like 10-20 pictures off there phone.
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"They really did a bad job on all phones with there crappy USP plug-is over the past few years" Samsung and every other manufacturers did even worse. They have many different cable types for their models. Even the chargers are different between their models!
Yeah, different model chargers and adapters for each phone was a terrible idea.
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"its only now they are realizing that a standard 4 pin is the way to go". They are one of the first.
It only took them how many years to figgure that out!?!?
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"If you ask me Nokia is WAY behind on the times." I disagree ;).
Then well have to agree to disagree.
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6428.3.2006 23:35

Moron is as moron says. A phone can EASILY hold two hours of quality digital video. Capturing is another matter, because you need a decent lens to take it, but the latest phone from Samsung has an 8GB Hard disk and Sony ericsson are offering a 4GB flash memory phone. I might also add that 2 hours of digital video in, say the DivX format will be around 1GB, plenty of room.




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6529.3.2006 5:27

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6629.3.2006 7:12

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679.8.2006 0:49

the Cell phones are # on the list of Gadjets... and based on annual amount spent, are the "top list" just because everyone pays for phone service!! big manuf's know this, and this whole "Cell Phone" would converge, becuase it would become like bread and butter... for the MP3 player & Camera makers, they are the ones who add Cell Phone functionality and vise-versa to have all 3-functions ... Nokia already has a HD based 4gb storage, thats is just what the new Ipod Nano Max-out is.... .. and Cell phones already have much longer battry life(compared to Digt Camera's), and do not forget the best of low low-powered hi-perf CPU's.. that could combine all 3-funcipnality faster than mp3 makers etc ... Nokia, has out-sold Ipod , and Dig.-Cameras already ... just have to wait and see when the Ipod w/ Cel-phone & Camera is out ...?

689.8.2006 1:10

Phones rarely have better battery life than cameras when in camera mode. So what if your phone lasts 150 hours on standby, and your camera lasts for 10 hours in photo mode, your phone will probably last for 4. Phones do more and more these days, but they'll never replace single-function devices.

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