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Microsoft sold 92,000 HD DVD add-ons in 2006

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 16 Jan 2007 18:57 User comments (93)

Microsoft sold 92,000 HD DVD add-ons in 2006 Microsoft Corp. sold 92,000 HD DVD add-on drives for the Xbox 360 console in 2006 according to figures released by the NPD Group. This figure is, of course, much lower than the 687,300 PlayStation 3 (PS3) consoles sold, each including their own Blu-ray player. However, the 92,000 HD DVD drives sold were bought for the sole purpose of playing HD DVD movies, whereas Blu-ray drives are included in every PS3.
The figure was made up with 42,000 sales in November, and 50,000 sold in December. The figure shows that only 2% of Xbox 360 owners showed enough interest in high definition movies to buy the HD DVD add-on, but it is impossible to know how many PS3 owners bought the console with the Blu-ray player being what they were most interested in.

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116.1.2007 20:05

Thats pretty interesting. I would buy a HD-DVD add-on for my 360 but my TV doesn't support HDMI. Maybe if/when I can afford a new, HDMI compatible TV will I get a HD-DVD add-on. :p

217.1.2007 2:08

the xbox 360 doesnt have an hdmi output. you will have to use a component cable no matter what.

317.1.2007 2:37
hughjars
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At $200/129 it's a serious bargain.

HD is excellent, very very impressive through component and VGA.

(The XBox 360 does 1080p for games through component if you really feel desperate for it for movies it will do 1080p through VGA.)

Right now HDMI is really just a convenient extra connection point and it's not something I miss (my DVD already uses my HDMI input and so using the component connection this way is therefore not a waste at all).

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417.1.2007 3:12
BobbyBlu
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The XBox 360 does 1080p for games through component if you really feel desperate for it for movies it will do 1080p through VGA
Upscaled not true native.

517.1.2007 3:31
hughjars
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OK then BobbyBlu, lets have that list (with links please) of PS3 games that are genuine "native" 1080p games.

Cos everything I've read to date on the subject says
1) there are very few, if any, 1080p games available now
2) few are bothering to do anything else but upscale and
3) any 'difference' is minimal.

Are you trying to say that 1080p "native" games are impossible on the XBox 360 now
(and if so go ahead and prove it)?

I won't be holding my breath on you backing up your claims.

Edit to add -

As I thought, you are very much mistaken

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Latest update adds 1080p native support

http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/community/news/systemupdate.htm

So, back on topic.

There are 10.5 million XBox 360 owners (and rising) to sell to and the HD-DVD add-on is sold out everywhere.
They really just can't make enough of them.

(a slightly different story to that of 'you know who'! lol )
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617.1.2007 4:20
iking
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hahaha another fanboy.

717.1.2007 5:23

I think I'll still wait for the Add-on, but at $200 who wouldn't wanna buy one, even those who don't have an Xbox, heard you can use that thing without the 360.

817.1.2007 5:42
hughjars
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heard you can use that thing without the 360
True. With a recent PC (running Vista - you don't even need specialist drivers, just easily available HD-DVD software) it's about the cheapest way into high def DVD going. Total bargain.

917.1.2007 5:55
BobbyBlu
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OK then BobbyBlu, lets have that list (with links please) of PS3 games that are genuine "native" 1080p games.
(1)Full Auto 2
NBA2K7
NBA07
Ridge Racer 7
Marvel Ultimate Alliance

I dont need a link for game that i own

(2)Why would you upscaled a game that was encoded for 1080p or 1080i so are you saying that PS3 upscale games if so show proof. All 360 game are in encoded in 720p.

(3)Thats in the eye of the beholder & alot to do with the Set you have& Hookups.With HDMI being the best.

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Are you trying to say that 1080p "native" games are impossible on the XBox 360 now
Yes now because there aren't any game for 360 that are encoded to run on 1080i or 1080p.Thats where upscaleing come into play.In the future yes the 360 will but Microsoft said that its not even close to being ready to encoded there games to be 1080i or 1080p native.

Like i said before if you own both console you would know this and not search the net like you d to find these things.
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1017.1.2007 6:01
BobbyBlu
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You cant use the HD-DVD drive as a stand alone player make it useless.

HD-DVD add-on are not sold out.BB & CC has them in stock .


x360----------$400
Wireless-----$100
Live2 years -$100
HD dvd-------$200
total so far---$800

You tell me which is the better bargain.

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1117.1.2007 6:31
hughjars
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BobbyBlu instead of trying to make everything a PS3 verses XBox 360 issue why not just stick to the topic?

The point of this topic is the very impressive sales of the XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on.

(....and you've also been proved wrong about your claims that the XBox 360 can't 'do' native 1080p games so stop trying to wriggle out of it.

If you didn't know several of the PS3's games are upscalled 720p stuff then I suggest you go back and look again.

btw the "With HDMI being the best" comment just proves how little you actually understand the subject.
Keep on chugging on the propaganda fanboy.)

You're also completely wrong about the XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on being used on it's own (without the 'main' XBox 360 base unit) with a PC.

The fact is that with a Vista OS PC you can run the HD-DVD add-on as a ROM drive.

Even with the XP OS (if your CPU has sufficient grunt, AMD3800/4200AM2 or equivelent is sufficient) you can with a couple of easily obtained drivers and the HD-DVD software.

Perhaps you don't have the right PC or the HD-DVD add-on?
:P

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1217.1.2007 6:41
BobbyBlu
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Even with the XP OS (if your CPU has sufficient grunt 3800/4200AM2 or equivelent is sufficient) you can with a couple of easily obtained drivers and the HD-DVD software.
Useless...lol

1317.1.2007 6:44
hughjars
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Useless...lol
Well, that's just rather pathetic, actually.

Quite obviously you're just a trolling fanboy.

1417.1.2007 8:17

Its great that Microsoft is selling out on the drives that means its selling!!! I had both the 360 and the PS3. I liked the 360 better so I gave my younger brother the PS3...

1517.1.2007 9:19

BobbyBlu (2)Why would you upscaled a game that was encoded for 1080p or 1080i so are you saying that PS3 upscale games if so show proof. All 360 game are in encoded in 720p. Yes all the games have 720p but almost all of them are 1080i, the 2 I have seen that are not are FarCry Instincts and Burnout Revenge. I also have Burnout Revenge for PS2 now if I was to put that into a PS3 it would downgrade the graphics to 480p As for the PS3 having 1080p games, they don't look much different then the crappy quality PS2 games.

1617.1.2007 10:39

I may just be asking to be flamed for this, or I may be being really really stupid, but... If i'm playing 'Need For Speed: Carbon' or whatever on my PC with a monitor res of 1600x1200 pixels am I not wiping the floor with all this 1080p/i sillyness? Haven't PC gamers been enjoying the high definition gaming experience you speak of for the past decade? Is my PC screen not infact a hi-def display?

1717.1.2007 10:58

ok i dont mean to be harsh and no need to freak out...but now HD-DVD can hold up to 51 gb on 3 layer disc! blueray 50 gb...sooo hd is bigger now...but why the hell do i want that much space for a movie 30 gb is fine for hd movies..toshiba did this to throw it in sonys face hahahaha sony..ok sony fanboys face it..blue-ray will die sortley..just like betamax-umd-andthere music format forgot the name it sucked so bad..mp3 beat that to...sony has NEVER won a format war..dam get it throw your heads...ps3 is the only thing keeping blueray alive..and ps3 arent doing so hot..and for the HD-DVD ad on to the xboxs360 and pc..its not doing as good as ps3...but who the hell says everyone buying a ps3 is using it for blueray movies serouisly..HD-DVD cheaper will win so just face it..ok..have a good day everyone:) THIS IS MY OPIONION NO NEED TO FREAKOUT OR START A FLAME WAR OVER THIS..PS3 IS A GOOD SYSTEM SO ISNT XBOX360..SO RELAXS THIS IS ABOUT THE BLUE-RAY_HD-DVD...SO DONT FREAK OUT:)!

1817.1.2007 11:03
hughjars
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Haven't PC gamers been enjoying the high definition gaming experience you speak of for the past decade? Is my PC screen not infact a hi-def display?
- Yes and yes. You're quite right, the only big deal in all of this to those of us mainly concerned with PCs is that the movies themselves come in higher resolutions. As far as games go decent PCs left 720p and 1080p behind ages ago.

1917.1.2007 11:17

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As far as games go decent PCs left 720p and 1080p behind ages ago.
thanks - its nice to be able to put this into some perspective... I apologise as it was a bit off-topic..

2017.1.2007 12:59

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.but now HD-DVD can hold up to 51 gb on 3 layer disc! blueray 50 gb...sooo hd is bigger now
this may be true but no current HD-DVD player available in the retail market cansuport 3 layer discs. and if you really want ot get into a gb war, then get a 4 layer, dual sided bluray disc(200gb).
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Its great that Microsoft is selling out on the drives that means its selling!!!
as stated in the article, only 2% of xbox 360 owners have bought the hd dvd ad onn. i dont think that its selling so great if only 2 percent of the xbox 360 owners bought it. and about it being sold out, are you serious?! i walked into my bb last week and they had quite a few of these.

2117.1.2007 16:30

hmmm... I bought the HD-DVD drive and i dont know where i stand. Im not impressed yet. I am going to give it time but i cant stand to see episodes of CSI and other shows on TV that look WAY better in high def than any movie so far that ive watched on HD-DVD OR Blu-ray. maybe once movies are actually shot in high def we might see better quality but for now im disappointed because it looks no better than my high end dvd player with upconversion.....

2217.1.2007 16:36
hughjars
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this may be true but no current HD-DVD player available in the retail market cansuport 3 layer discs.
- Actually we don't really know if that is true or not.

Over on the avforums there has been contradictory info given by 2 individuals who have attended separate Toshiba closed industry seminars.

One was told it could be done with a firmware upgrade and the other claimed to have been told it could not.

It is also quite possible that the movie industry keeps to DL 30gb HD-DVD discs as perfectly sufficient for the proven excellent HD sound and picture quality and the triple layer disc is used mostly as a media size for private individuals and businesses to use on their PC burners.

It may even be that later HD-DVD players will be updated to use them but it could well just remain a matter of private individuals backing up their own data etc and it never being a size used or needed for movie storage (and so not disadvantaging the early adopters).

Certainly it would appear from the excellent HD-DVD movie releases to date that 30gb and the excellent VC-1 codec is all that is needed to get a sound and picture quality 2nd to none
(and on dual format releases - Warner or Paramount for instance - repeatedly better than the equivelent Blu-ray offerings even with a 50gb DL Blu-ray disc!).

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and if you really want ot get into a gb war, then get a 4 layer, dual sided bluray disc(200gb).
- For raw data storage perhaps
(but then each format can go as high as 10 layers anyways if such sheer size is to be considered the be-all and end-all.....but I doubt the market would produce much demand and it almost certainly would not bear the cost of such media).

You also start having problems when you go beyond 3 layers.

If you use 4 or more layers it is not guaranteed that you can use the disc for playing movies in real time as happens now because the data corruption checking (to see if data has been corrupted coming through so many layers) significantly slows down the data transfer rates.

It really isn't as simple as you suggest.

The fact that HD-DVD uses existing and cheaper technology cannot just be dismissed so easily in this either.

It is widely believed that the DL 50gb Blu-ray media is heavily subsidised and is difficult to produce with high quality rejection rates in manufacture.

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as stated in the article, only 2% of xbox 360 owners have bought the hd dvd ad onn.
- But you don't know how many XBox 360 add-on were made initially.

It is believed Microsoft were very conservative in their initial build numbers because they, pretty much like everyone else, were sceptical over how well an add-on would sell.

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i dont think that its selling so great if only 2 percent of the xbox 360 owners bought it.
- But that's just meaningless if you have no idea of the supply, you can't possibly judge this without knowing the level of supply.

.....and the fact remains that there are 10.5 million XBox 360 owners out there (and rising) to sell this to.
The unit has also gotten excellent reviews in the press everywhere so it's extremely likely that it will continue to attract large numbers of buyers without any difficulty.

The initial supplies were very limited and the very strong demand has surprised everyone.

Make no mistake, these things are selling very very well.

Particularly as they can be used as a very inexpensive (but very good quality) HD-DVD ROM drive on a reasonable spec PC with so little effort.

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and about it being sold out, are you serious?! i walked into my bb last week and they had quite a few of these.
- Supplies might now be getting better but here in the UK they sold out within a few days and supplies may have only just started to appear again.

Like I said the demand for these units surprised so many people
(the manager of the shop I bought mine in said his whole group - Gamestop - in Northern Ireland had been shocked at the demand).

So yes, it was indeed sold out within a day or two of launch in fact.

(and comments on the US avsforums website show that it sold out fast and was hard to find in the USA in Dec too)
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2317.1.2007 17:25

I just bought a 60 inch HDTV and the movies at 720p just look gorgeous,i think a lot of people here don`t know what they`re talking about `cause they haven`t seen it.

2417.1.2007 17:41

hughjars got any hard data on the new 360 revision? other than mobo/cpu what else is really in it.

2517.1.2007 18:14

i have the 360 wothout the add on yet...its becaues i havnt gotton a hd and i am soon but only then will i buy the HD-DVD ad on..i think most people think like this to.

2618.1.2007 0:45
BobbyBlu
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and the fact remains that there are 10.5 million XBox 360 owners out there
But only 92,000 sold yeah its selling real good.And its sold out like you said.
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The initial supplies were very limited and the very strong demand has surprised everyone.
The figure was made up with 42,000 sales in November, and 50,000 sold in December. The figure shows that only 2% of Xbox 360 owners showed enough interest in high definition movies to buy the HD DVD add-on. Strong demand.....lol 2%Strong

2718.1.2007 1:15

BobbyBlu I wouldn't say its selling well...not with all the consoles they have had to replace with newer ones....if it sold like the WII is selling world wide it would have sold 10X as much by now.

2818.1.2007 1:47

BobbyBlu your an idiot, if there isnt any add-on units to sell in the shops how are people ment to buy them? Its been reported there pretty much sold out everywhere. 50,000 a month is a good amount for an add on, 2% stong? Whats your point whats the percent of the market supporting 360 over PS3 at the moment? And lets just ignore the facts that Blu-ray will NOT allow porn to distribute on there media.. who ever decided that killer move is seriously brain dead.

2918.1.2007 2:24
BobbyBlu
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BobbyBlu your an idiot,
You call me a idiot but your dont understand math.What part of 2% you don't understand.Thats 2% compared to 10.5 million 360 owners.Don't get mad at me voice your anger here http://www.planetxbox360.com/index.php/articledetails/show/1192

3018.1.2007 3:35

BobbyBlu and you have trouble with math to XBox 360: 10,107,709 PS3: 1,120,614 Wii: 3,912,339 and the PS3 or 360 is winning? the 360 has been out a year and have barely sold 3 times of what the wii has in a few of months? in a year from now the 360 will more or less have 20-30M sold the PS3 will have 10-15m and the Wii will have 30-50m sold th PS3 selling the slowest because of the price.

3118.1.2007 4:25
hughjars
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[quote=ZIppyDSM] got any hard data on the new 360 revision? other than mobo/cpu what else is really in it.


-Nothing besides the 2 reports that appeared in engadget (the new scaler was the really interesting part IMO......if it gets anywhere near the HD-DVD Toshiba HD A1's standard it'll be one of the best SD DVD scalers available) http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/the-second-xbox-360-revealed-codename-zephyr/ http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/06/zephyrs-hdmi-port-and-new-hana-scaler-up-close-and-personal/

3218.1.2007 4:33
hughjars
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BobbyBlu which is it?
Are you really that dumb or are you just acting the infantile troll?

If you don't know the level of supply you can't possibly claim the numbers of XBox 360 HD-DVD add-ons sold equals the level of demand.

That 2% figure is meaningless as an indicator of demand.

Grow up or try developing a brain cos right now you're just embarrassing yourself and looking like a sad oaf.

.....but if you really want to become the resident 'villiage idiot' then I suppose that's up to you?

3318.1.2007 4:39
hughjars
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Sorry double post.

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3418.1.2007 4:41

hughjars hes stealing my job? 0-o oh well theres always town drunk 0-o *wears sign will work for soda*

3518.1.2007 4:44

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Nothing besides the 2 reports that appeared in engadget (the new scaler was the really interesting part IMO......if it gets anywhere near the HD-DVD Toshiba HD A1's standard it'll be one of the best SD DVD scalers available)

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/the-s...odename-zephyr/

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/06/zephy...e-and-personal/

Ah so HDMI and the HDD upgrade are in the wind I don't see the HDVD 360 coming for 2-4 years,but the HDD is needed more than HDMI at this time.

Also what do you think of them "upgrading" the 360 every 1-3 years as a way to not lower its price?

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3618.1.2007 5:06

BobbyBlu please shut the hell up you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact that people are calling you an idiot and backing up there statements with facts while you spout nonsense should tell you something. This format war is over get though you head and get off sonys dick. Please for the sake of the forum grow up.Oh by the way the add-on does in fact work on XP and Vista. What now you gonna tell me that windows update lied to me when installed 2 drivers to get the damn thing working. Next you'll be saying Bill Gates is a Martian. Jesus! you kool-aid boyz make me sick!!!

3718.1.2007 5:14
hughjars
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Ah so HDMI and the HDD upgrade are in the wind I don't see the HDVD 360 coming for 2-4 years,but the HDD is needed more than HDMI at this time.
- There's no doubt a bigger HDD is a good call but HDMI is so much in it's infancy that IMO all it is is a handy extra connection point for people needing it.

There are so few HDMI receivers that it's real benefit (HD sound) will not be realised for years.

You'll find plenty of people on the avforums with the choice preferring a component connection at the moment.
It doesn't necessarily follow that it is 'better' at all.

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Also what do you think of them "upgrading" the 360 every 1-3 years as a way to not lower its price?
- Well I suppose it depends, if prices stay stable but spec keeps rising then that might be acceptable......but I think it's far more likely that price will fall too - but more slowly than would have been the case previously and had the updating not occurred.

It also is worth remembering that (if the stories are true) there is little profitability in these machines right now.
So with people demanding cheaper better games and movies I suppose that somewhere at some point that has to reemerge in the cost of the main units themselves.

3818.1.2007 5:37

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- There's no doubt a bigger HDD is a good call but HDMI is so much in it's infancy that IMO all it is is a handy extra connection point for people needing it.

There are so few HDMI receivers that it's real benefit (HD sound) will not be realised for years.

You'll find plenty of people on the avforums with the choice preferring a component connection at the moment.
It doesn't necessarily follow that it is 'better' at all.

- Well I suppose it depends, if prices stay stable but spec keeps rising then that might be acceptable......but I think it's far more likely that price will fall too - but more slowly than would have been the case previously and had the updating not occurred.

It also is worth remembering that (if the stories are true) there is little profitability in these machines right now.
So with people demanding cheaper better games and movies I suppose that somewhere at some point that has to reemerge in the cost of the main units themselves.
*nods nods* a slow price drop on the 360 dose sound most likely,HDMI is not needed right now ,plus it lets the spec mature,HDVD would only hurt the 360 unless they want to waste time and moeny selling a speacail 1200$ HDVD ready 360, it would have been better if they thought this crap out before releasing it tho...
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3918.1.2007 9:07
BobbyBlu
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BobbyBlu and you have trouble with math to XBox 360: 10,107,709 PS3: 1,120,614 Wii: 3,912,339 and the PS3 or 360 is winning? the 360 has been out a year and have barely sold 3 times of what the wii has in a few of months? in a year from now the 360 will more or less have 20-30M sold the PS3 will have 10-15m and the Wii will have 30-50m sold th PS3 selling the slowest because of the price.
Stay on topic this has nothing to do with who is better.This topic is about HD-DVD add-on which is not in High-demand.
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That 2% figure is meaningless as an indicator of demand.
Okay PS3 is still in store's but there is not a demand.But you have 2% of people buying the HD-DVD add-on but yet its in High demand....LOL you guys got to be Kids go to school.Thats ass backwards don't you think....I yet to see proof of HD-DVD add-on in HIgh demand.That was a unbias link at that.
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BobbyBlu please shut the hell up you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact that people are calling you an idiot and backing up there statements with facts while you spout nonsense should tell you something. This format war is over get though you head and get off sonys dick. Please for the sake of the forum grow up.Oh by the way the add-on does in fact work on XP and Vista. What now you gonna tell me that windows update lied to me when installed 2 drivers to get the damn thing working. Next you'll be saying Bill Gates is a Martian. Jesus! you kool-aid boyz make me sick!!!
You just showed how smart you really are.Don't get mad at me because i'm Debunking all these lies on here.The truth hurts don't it...Also tread reported.

4018.1.2007 9:08

ok this is what is going to kill blue-ray(sony did with betamax back in Beatmax vs. Vhs) http://www.qj.net/index.php?pg=49&aid=79699


and this helped HD-DVD... http://www.qj.net/index.php?pg=49&aid=79019


the adult world made vhs win in the past and im sure thats not gunna change....face it pron decides who wins..becaues the porn is a very big industry...most is online yeah but when porn hits HD-DVD porn wow lol..



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4118.1.2007 9:12
BobbyBlu
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That news is like 2 weeks old....

Right now Blu-ray is Killing HD-DVD

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117

There are going to be some porn on Blu-ray..Porn isn't going to be on HD-DVD only...

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/V...ray,_HD_DVD/329

http://www.videostoremag.com/news/html/b...article_ID=9861

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Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

4218.1.2007 9:16

ok and it being 2 weeks old has to do with what?? Blue-ray wont make it far.. it will only be used on ps3 in the future just like the umd movies..only made it a few months if that..history repets itself and sony never wins format wars..it cost to much for companys to make blue-ray disc..



4318.1.2007 9:25

you're getting that from a blue-ray site? the site will not be acual facts...companys use propaganda to make you buy products...you think theres more blur-ray what will you buy blueray! so its just propaganda....mcdonald tells you there meat is 100% meat hahahah do you really believe this?

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4418.1.2007 9:26

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Okay PS3 is still in store's but there is not a demand.But you have 2% of people buying the HD-DVD add-on but yet its in High demand....LOL you guys got to be Kids go to school.Thats ass backwards don't you think....
Look, I see where you are coming from. I really do. I'll try to make this easier for you to understand.

%2 of 360 owners have bought the HD-DVD add on. Yet the add-on has more or less been sold out. So, you could say that an upwards %90 of all add-ons have been purchased. That's what hughjars was saying. The %2 isn't a good indicator of demand without knowing supply. If there were only, say, 95,000 units manufacturered and shipped, and 92,000 were purchased, than that means almost %97 of the shipped units were sold, which would be a much more useful indicator of demand.

I don't know how many units were shipped, but the fact that many people are having trouble finding the add-on suggests that, for now, demand is quite strong.

Am I helping you at all?

I would like to say though, that for such a small supply of add-ons in the first place, it isn't surprising to find that they are more or less sold out.
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4518.1.2007 9:41
BobbyBlu
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oofrome

Thank you for not being a jackazz like some people on here.I want you to read this link that is from Dec 15...As its stated

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The PS3 has sold every unit ship at 197,000 units, compared to the HD DVD add on drive at 42,000 units. We're not sure how many HD DVD add ons were shipped but at least a few online retailers have them in stock.
I work at BB and i can tell you that here we have 8 in stock here now(4 PS3). if you want me to i can lookup any of our other store and tell you how many they have.Wii is what you call high demand you can' tkeep them in the store plus people has been coming in just to ask for on..You don't get that for that HD-DVD add-on here.Hughjars said they was sold-out.

HD-DVD-add-on-5-to-1/" target="_blank">http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/15/ps3...-add-on-5-to-1/




Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

4618.1.2007 9:58
hughjars
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Try using an outlet other than a Sony/Blu-ray fanzine BobbyBlu. Here are the facts. There was a rise in Blu-ray movie sales - and with 1 million or so PS3s sold who honestly expected different? But the situation now is that this is not being sustained - Right now there are currently no BluRay discs in the Top Prebook or Top 10 Bestsellers lists over on the Movietyme website. http://www.movietyme.com/catalog/ HD DVD feature in both though. HD DVD has also surged above BluRay again on the Product Wars site. http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ You'll also see HD-DVD titles well ahead on Amazon http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx This comes from a report of a couple of weeks ago -

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About 695,000 consumers own either a Blu-ray or an HD-DVD player, according to Tom Adams of Adams Media Research in Carmel, Calif. But only about 25,000 have purchased stand-alone Blu-ray players. Another 400,000 consumers have Blu-ray because they bought a Sony PS3 game console. Meanwhile, about 120,000 or so have a stand-alone HD-DVD player while about 150,000 have an HD-DVD upgrade kit for their Xbox 360 game consoles, Mr. Adams says. He adds that those numbers are well in excess of the 300,000 DVD-player sales in 1997, when that technology rolled out.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07004/751258-96.stm So it is clear, just over 3% of Blu-ray machines are non-PS3. Blu-ray stand-alone players and PC burners have sold far less units than HD-DVD equivalents. BobbyBlu (Blu-ray Bob.....reminds me of that guy in Iraq during the war lol ) how about some independent backing for your claims and leaving out the Sony/Blu-ray fanzine sites? .....or are you just going to keep on playing the idiot troll?

4718.1.2007 10:06

agreed to the top thread...all these are sony...propaganda means telling you one to to make you think something is something its not..like i said do you beilieve mcdonalds meat is 100% beef when you tell you it is..



4818.1.2007 10:21

Quote:

I work at BB and i can tell you that here we have 8 in stock here now(4 PS3). if you want me to i can lookup any of our other store and tell you how many they have.Wii is what you call high demand you can' tkeep them in the store plus people has been coming in just to ask for on..You don't get that for that HD-DVD add-on here.Hughjars said they was sold-out.

HD-DVD-add-on-5-to-1/" target="_blank">http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/15/ps3...-add-on-5-to-1/


I'll take you at your word that the Best Buy you work at has add-ons in stock. All I know right in terms of supply is heresay, and so I won't jump to any conclusions until we have at least some indication of how many add ons were shipped. It could very well be that only 92,000 of 150,000 add-ons have been sold, and that would paint a very different picture.
Historically, add-ons havn't been very successful with consoles.

Despite being outdated, I love that article because it is pointing out what a lot of people have voiced concern over.
The last sentence, regardless the BDA will be bragging to the content creators that they have sold more "Blu-ray players" than HD DVD, but of course that will only work for so long if all those PS3 owners don't buy any movies. is a great precursor to the movietyme and amazon links hughjars just cited.

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Try using an outlet other than a Sony/Blu-ray fanzine BobbyBlu.

In BobbyBlu's defense, he just put up a link to engadget.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but engadget isn't a fanzine. Is it?
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4918.1.2007 10:25

edit** the link appears to not be working...
copy and paste in your browser I guess:

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http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/15/ps3-outsells-the-HD-DVD-add-on-5-to-1/
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5018.1.2007 10:36

any more name calling & lightning strikes any & all individuals!! understand??!! now all of you edit all your posts with name calling in it NOW!!!

5118.1.2007 10:36
BobbyBlu
Inactive

propaganda i think not

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/cont...78a4bb3d71b69e7


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070109/tc_n...show_blu_ray_dc

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5218.1.2007 10:47
hughjars
Inactive

The Blu-ray fans really are working hard to miss the point here.

First up is that they don't know how many XBox 360 HD-DVD add-ons have been produced. We know they sold out.
So the exact level of overall demand from the 10.5 million (and rising) XBox 360 owners can hardly be gauged.
No point wriggling and spinning on that, it's a plain fact.

Secondly it is the Blu-ray side which (ludicrously) pronounced itself 'winner' in this so-called 'format war'.

Yet despite an occasion blip in movie demand (which was only to be expected after the US launch of PS3 in particular) the notion of Blu-ray taking and holding a sales 'lead' is not in evidence everywhere, actually.

When one considers just how many PS3s have been sold compared to all of the HD-DVD devices it's pretty obvious that the Blu-ray 'lead' such as it was/is is, frankly, rather pathetic.
But then HD-DVD devices are believed to have a movie disc 'attachment rate of 26!

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The North American HD DVD Promotional Group took advantage of its press event to spread the good news about HD DVD, noting that over 300 additional HD DVD titles should be arriving in 2007.
As of January 5th, the group estimates there were more than 175,000 HD DVD players sold in America, with an annualized attach rate of 28 movies per player. The group projects sales will reach 2.5 million players by the end of this year and more than $600 million worth of movie revenues.


http://www.engadgethd.com/category/hd-dvd/


One or two movie disc sellers might show a (small) lead for a (small) period of time but that is no indication of anything significant or sustained.

The fact that other movie vendors are now showing the usual HD-DVD lead (as I have shown here with the most up to date figures I have) just indicates how wrong those claims of a supposed 'Blu-ray win' were.

(It's also true that Blu-ray has a long way to go to get anywhere near matching HD-DVD's total movie disc sales, nevermind leading the sales chart in a couple of places for a few of weeks.)

Blu-ray most certainly is not 'killing' HD-DVD.
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5318.1.2007 15:56

BobbyBlu Im shaken in boots. Please prove without a shadow of a doubt that the add-on cant be hooked up to the PC I dare u. Im looking at mine as we speak. So man up big guy prove ur little points.

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"Cable thief is a victimless crime."

5418.1.2007 18:11

knock it off!!

5518.1.2007 19:28

wow this thread got off topic and outta hand..



5619.1.2007 4:27

Anyone have a updated figure for HD DVD add-ons sold? Or even full figure amounts for HD DVD vs. Blu-ray? and not from some Sony site, those figures lie. And I leave my message at that. But I do have the urge to name call.

5719.1.2007 4:34
BobbyBlu
Inactive

Quote:
But I do have the urge to name call
Making you visit on this site very short.




Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

5819.1.2007 5:50
hughjars
Inactive

Quote:
Anyone have a updated figure for HD DVD add-ons sold? Or even full figure amounts for HD DVD vs. Blu-ray? and not from some Sony site, those figures lie.
- Nothing new beyond whats already been posted here afaik. If you check the various retail sources tales of Blu-ray 'winning' are clearly untrue. You can see the form tho, Sony keep trumpeting numbers of units 'shipped', not actually sold.....that alone speaks volumes.
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And I leave my message at that. But I do have the urge to name call.
- Don't feed the troll. Instead ask the mods why they're putting up with a such a clear and obvious troll.

5919.1.2007 9:19

haha look what i found at walmart description on the HD-DVD ad on for xbox 360...

The Xbox 360 HD DVD Player offers the most affordable way for you to jump into the next generation of DVD technology along with the choice to enter when you are ready.

Just add Xbox 360 HD DVD Player to Xbox 360 to create the ultimate home theater experience with more clarity & detail than HDTV content via Broadcast, Cable or Satellite. Feed your HDTV the high definition content it craves with HD DVD on Xbox 360!
Features:


Amazingly stunning video and immersive surround sound audio with up to 6 times higher resolution than DVD.
Innovative interactive content enables PIP commentary, scene selection and menu access all while the movie is still playing!
Enjoy blockbuster HD DVD releases with over 150 titles available by Holiday 2006 from major movie studios Universal, Warner, Paramount and more.
Only HD DVD offers a 'combo' disc: DVD on one side allows playback on all your existing DVD players in your home or car.
3 out of 4 current or future HDTV owners prefer HD DVD over Blu-ray based on it's superior value.** **

Ipsos-Vantis Survey, July 2006


dont believe me look for your self..
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5334336



hahaha i know its not a big deal but thought i'd post it..



6019.1.2007 9:40

Seems like this kind of energy could be directed to the debate over the war in Iraq - not the war between HD-DVD and Blu-ray or M/S vs. Sony. Heck, I own two 360's (plus HD-DVD add-on), one PS3, one PSP, and one Wii. I use each one for what it is best at or intended for. Although as a home theater buff I have one comment: The 360 HD-DVD add-on uses an infra-red remote, the Sony uses bluetooth. I can use my Logitech Harmony 880 remote to watch movies in my theater, but I have to have the Sony PS3 remote when I want to watch Blu-ray. Pain in the neck! The format war can rage on - no need for us to get angry at each other. These forums are not a place for that nonsense.

6119.1.2007 9:58

Originally posted by robtwilk:
The format war can rage on - no need for us to get angry at each other. These forums are not a place for that nonsense.
Nice comment, I totally agree

6219.1.2007 12:28

chubbyInc, if you have the urge to name call than i have the urge to ban you so which will it be?

6319.1.2007 20:05

These are big numbers. But when do we think we will find a winner of the format war??

6420.1.2007 9:33
hughjars
Inactive

Define 'winner'?

Neither format is going anywhere.

Each market is now too big to just vanish.

This is a problem for the Blu-ray side as it has cost it's investors so much more so lower & slower returns are not in their 'game-plan' at all.
The last thing they needed was an upstart competitor taking sales and profits away.

But HD-DVD has done just that by offering (usually - Blu-ray can equal it's quality but rarely does, apparantly) a superior picture quality allied with a sound quality often lacking on retail Blu-ray movie discs and all at a price far below the cheapest Blu-ray offering.

HD-DVD is likely to benefit hugely when the Chinese release their HD-DVD players in Q2/3 of this year - and we all know what they did for regular DVD and its pricing.

Sub $200/100 high def DVD in Walmart, Tescos etc etc soon?

Blu-ray may well become a PS3 proprietary format (only just over 3% of Blu-ray devices are not PS3s now).
So much for all that CE support it was supposed to have, huh?

Ironically with the PS3 itself stalled in sales thanks to it's high pricing and the rise in retail movie discs nothing like the avalanche that was promised it remains to be seen just where Blu-ray goes from here.

They can't match HD-DVD prices and are likely to miss out on the mass-market stand-alone sales and they really aren't selling many stand-alone devices to the specialist a/v market either.

On the PC front Toshiba has just launched the triple layer 51gb disc (and for those that didn't know triple layer was part of the original specification) and a PC burner promising it will be significantly cheaper than the Blu-ray burners on sale now.

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6520.1.2007 14:21

they are both pointleses, i mean why not get your tv upgraded to hd. and like everybody has demand these days whats the point

6620.1.2007 14:28

ethernet they will catch on but it will be another 5ish years before they normalize.

6720.1.2007 14:42
hughjars
Inactive

ethernet if you honestly think HD TV looks like either version of retail high def DVD then don't worry about it, your eyes just ain't up to it. HD TV sometimes looks little better than a decent SD DVD. That's because the TV companies scrimp on bandwidth and broadcast at a cheap low bit-rate. One of the best out there right now is (apparantly) BBC HD, becuase they broadcast at a higher bit-rate. But no TV station comes close to the sound and image quality of either high def DVD format. It simply isn't true to say HD TV is the same, it really is nothing like as impressive (and because of the money-issue it never will be).

6820.1.2007 15:46
BobbyBlu
Inactive

Blu-Ray is winning also Hughjars its from one of your sources i wonder how you over looked this..... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=790440&page=1&pp=30

6921.1.2007 4:22
hughjars
Inactive

Go bore someone else with your fanboy-ism BobbyBlu.

This typical selective spin (which has been a hallmark of the Blu-ray propaganda campaign in all of this) proves nothing.

The facts are that even with the stalled PS3 and it's 1 million or so sales the so-called Blu-ray movie sales lead is patheticly small (if it really exists at all) and is certainly very very patchy.
It depends entirely on which stat and source you prefer to select.
It is not apparant everywhere and no matter of selective quoting can hide that fact.

Go try your tedious 'viral marketing' BS somewhere else.

The topic of this thread is the sales numbers of the [XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on.
Which have been very impressive (especially as few really thought an add-on would sell).
It'll be interesting to see the next release of sales numbers.

Go try and divert & wreck a different thread with your devotion to all things Sony, troll.

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7021.1.2007 4:41
BobbyBlu
Inactive

I see you not argueing the facts because this is very much true.Okay so tell me which launched first that would be HD-DVD & Blu-ray has pass HD-DVD in a few months even with its high price tag.You do all this Anti Sony talk but you keep forgeting that Sony hasn't had a full launch yet.

Quote:
The topic of this thread is the sales numbers of the [XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on.
Which have been very impressive (especially as few really thought an add-on would sell).
It'll be interesting to see the next release of sales numbers.
I wonder why Microsoft has not released the numbers of Add-on shipped.Because it hasn't been that good & Add-on still sit on alot of store shelves.Microsoft is very good when come to releaseing number & Sony very slow but this isn't like Microsoft to hide number of Add-on shipped make you wonder don't it.




Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

7121.1.2007 5:41
hughjars
Inactive

Quote:
I see you not argueing the facts because this is very much true.Okay so tell me which launched first that would be HD-DVD & Blu-ray has pass HD-DVD in a few months even with its high price tag.You do all this Anti Sony talk but you keep forgeting that Sony hasn't had a full launch yet.

I wonder why Microsoft has not released the numbers of Add-on shipped.Because it hasn't been that good & Add-on still sit on alot of store shelves.Microsoft is very good when come to releaseing number & Sony very slow but this isn't like Microsoft to hide number of Add-on shipped make you wonder don't it.
- Jayzuss wept can you not read?

Your 'points' were answered long ago.

Clearly your comprehension, language & writing skills are about as silly and childish as your debating skills.

Go & try provoking the attention you obviously so desperately crave elsewhere you tedious little troll.

I'm sure there's a fanzine site out there for you where you & some others could constantly agree & congratulate each other for your devotion to all things Sony.
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7221.1.2007 6:20
BobbyBlu
Inactive

Your personal attacks don't faze me one bit it just goes to show that you a class less person.Don't get upset because i been debunking all you misinformed & misleading info.If you spend more time on doing better research than making personal insult you wouldn't be so misinformed.

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Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

7321.1.2007 9:50

The next person to make any sort of personal comment towards another member will get asn automatic suspension - I don't care who it is!

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My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
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7421.1.2007 11:50
ggo70
Inactive

On thing everyone overlook is what controlled the dvd conversion from vhs. What ended the beta max / vhs battle. The porn industry did. It is the biggest thing out there that nobody likes to acknowledge. I'm not going into numbers here, you look them up for yourselves. You will see that their sales dominate the market and have a lot of influence. Sony was playing games with the porn industry regarding what they will or will not allow regrading them using the Blu-ray format. The porn industry got fed up and announced that they are pulling all support from the Blu-ray and will produce only DVD and HD DVD's. My prediction is that Sony shot themselves in the foot and will now lose the HD war. My two cents. I will not justify spending 800 plus dollars on the PS3, cables to hook it up, one game, and also consider it a cheap Blu-ray player. I will gladly buy one after it proves that through the quality and selection games. As of now, I see nothing different from the 360 except for Resistance - Fall of Man. Not worth spending 800 dollars on. And for the exclusives, most are going to the 360 now. -a disappointed Sony fan.

7522.1.2007 0:38

man, u guys are ticking every box on how to get a
thread closed, anyway lol. the porn industry is the one losing out here, Blu-ray provides almost twice as much space as HD dvd mean longer porn action and u now what they say "there is no porn like a long porn". and for those of u who think the war is being win by HD dvd, you have to remmeber it came out earlyer and more information of it is known however Blu-ray is doing better then ever right now, if you saw the 2007 ces you would have seen the new gadgets that are on Blu-ray and the companys. Blu-ray is winning this war. most of the industry don't know which side to go for, but this is not a bad thing if it means inventions like this
http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/ces_2007_lg_unv.html
anyway i am a sony fan but that doesn't mean i believe they know everything that's best but i do believe they went for the right choose by going blue. oh and here is a prove
http://www.blu-ray.com/
don't going think just because its a Blu-ray sit means that it wouldn't dis the format or that the information is bias.




goodmen

7622.1.2007 6:00
hughjars
Inactive

The really hilarious thing here is that if you click on BobbyBlu's link http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...40&page=1&pp=30 and read all the posts it doesn't even say what he is claiming it say.....it was only 2 pages, you'd have thought he'd have checked.

(that's what you get when you google and just go by a thread title and don't research the contents :P )

The thread is full of people who relate claims from retailers and store managers who all are saying Blu-ray movies are not selling and HD-DVD ones are, particularly since the release of the XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on!

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the porn industry is the one losing out here, Blu-ray provides almost twice as much space as HD dvd mean longer porn action and u now what they say "there is no porn like a long porn".
- Porno is a business and they can't easily do business with Blu-ray, so they have gone elsewhere. It's that simple.
At this early stage that may be enough to 'drive' the path this takes.
(IIRC porno is a $30 billion global industry, far far larger than games or movies alone......and that would indicate downloaded porno from the net - which wasn't there during 'the VHS/Betamax battle' - is additional to 'regular disc sales')

In any event Blu-ray is not going to deliver longer films as if it were some kind of 'free bonus'......and with the VC-1 codec space is not the consideration you imagine.

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for those of u who think the war is being win by HD dvd, you have to remmeber it came out earlyer
- Only in the USA, here it launched in dec 2006.

Mind you British a/v fans have been privately importing since it came out in the USA......which, thanks to HD-DVD not being region coded (unlike Blu-ray) is easy to do.

But yes, you are right, the bottom line is (still) that there have been more total sales for the HD-DVD format than Blu-ray (by a mile).

Quote:
Blu-ray is doing better then ever right now
- Er, no it isn't, it's a long way from being 'better', they are in real trouble in fact.

This is compounded by the PS3s stalled sales (1 million may be more Blu-ray devices out there than any other high def capable machine but it is well below expectations and the movie attachment rates per machine are not good).

They, according to their own figures, have sold only approx 25000 stand-alones and PC burners (ie everything except the PS3) which is just over 3% of the total (when you count those PS3 devices).

In other words, Blu-ray has to all intents and purposes become a PS3 proprietary format.
Such enormous reliance on a mere games console is not healthy for the long-term prospects of the format.

This isn't a dig at Sony it is also how people outside and within the industry are seeing them -

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"Sony is really protective of proprietary information and proprietary products, especially when it comes to the adult market. Sony is always a little more stand-offish and hands-away from it," said Jay Grdina, president of ClubJenna.


http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=8144

You can also bet that those other CE companies that researched, developed and funded (at enormous cost) Blu-ray are thrilled that it has come down to being widely seen as a 'Sony proprietary product'.

This will rebound on them later, just wait.
Let's just see how many leave Blu-ray exclusivity for dual format later this year and into next.

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if you saw the 2007 ces you would have seen the new gadgets that are on Blu-ray and the companys. Blu-ray is winning this war.
- I watched CES very closely for developments.

The only thing that can be remotely close to your comments is when the Blu-ray gang stood up and (laughably) declared themselves 'winners' (which is never a good sign) in this so-called 'format war'.

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most of the industry don't know which side to go for
- Which makes their (and your) claim that they are the 'winners' so obviously false.

Although it is interesting (and indicative) that no-one and nothing left HD-DVD exclusivity to go 'dual format' (which actually I would expect) or left dual format to go Blu-ray exclusive (which I would not expect).
Nothing and no-one went 'towards' Blu-ray.

In fact the spin-free truth is that the movement that there was was away from Blu-ray exclusivity and towards either dual format or HD-DVD exclusivity.

Quote:
this is not a bad thing if it means inventions like this
http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/ces_2007_lg_unv.html
- You have got to be kidding.

How is LG going from being a Blu-ray exclusive hardware producer to being a dual format producer 'a good thing' or positive for Blu-ray?

It might be good for consumers (although prices are high and it does not support iHD....which isn't just a matter of those dumb 'extras' it also means some HD-DVD disks might not play at all) but the last thing Blu-ray needed was the long-term survival of HD-DVD.
Mind you, it's far too late for that tho! :D

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here is a prove http://www.blu-ray.com/
don't going think just because its a Blu-ray sit means that it wouldn't dis the format or that the information is bias.
- Oh please.
One of the Blu-ray fanzine sites proves nothing.
Sony are renowned for 'viral marketing' (where supposedly 'ordinary members of the public' spout Sony PR to try and encourage buyers) and propaganda (they have been caught inventing supposedly independent websites to spread their propaganda).

Here's the truth -

The Toshiba HD AD1 is $399 right now on US Amazon.

The XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on (which can be used alone as a PC ROM Drive) is $200/129.

Here's what really happened at CES

Microsoft & Broadcom signed a deal to bring cheaper Chinese HD-DVD players to market, probably in Q2/3 of this year
(and look what they did to SD DVD player prices - when HD-DVD players hit less than $200/100 it's 'game over' for Blu-ray).

Blu-ray can't match those prices and just retreats into being a PS3 proprietary product
(just over 3% of all Blu-ray equipped machines are not PS3s).

300 brand new HD-DVD movie titles were announced at CES making the HD-DVD catalogue larger than Blu-ray's
(theirs was slightly smaller before CES and they announced 250 new titles).

51gb TL HD-DVD disc was announced.

Toshiba HD-DVD PC burner was announced.

LG went from Blu-ray exclusive to dual format.

Porno industry went from Blu-ray exclusive to dual format (Vivid, the largest company) or totally HD-DVD exclusive.

Five new companies announced HD-DVD manufacture (Meridian, Onkyo, Alpine, Chinese manufacturers Alco (Venturer) and Shinco)
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6405701.html

There has been some clever spin regarding a relatively small lift in movie disc sales (but considering the numbers of PS3s shifted it isn't anything like the impressive avalanche it really should to have been).
Blu-ray had comparatively little happening at CES; 2 Sony prototypes, another expensive $800 Samsung, those 250 movie titles and that's it.

The momentum is clearly with HD-DVD.
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7722.1.2007 6:52

hughjars sounds like bobby blu is infected with the Sony PR virus. I say ignore him until he speaks sense,of coarse its hard for me to hold my tong =0_o=.

7822.1.2007 7:26
BobbyBlu
Inactive

Quote:
hughjars
sounds like bobby blu is infected with the Sony PR virus.

I say ignore him until he speaks sense,of coarse its hard for me to hold my tong =0_o=
Are you guys blind or just____I'm not going to say it Hughjars just blind to the facts i rest my case this tread is done im finish proving my points.I'm not going to even read that internet garbage that took him two days to find.Just looking at the links say it all nothing creditable just all talk.


CES: No New HD DVD Announcements from Universal
Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 04:24 PM ET
Tags: Universal, CES (all tags)

In a rather surprising move, primary HD DVD backer Universal Studios Home Entertainment confirmed today that they will be making no major title announcements at this year's Consumer Electronics Show, despite the formidable presence of all major studios supporting rival format Blu-ray.

Universal, the sole major Hollywood studio to be supporting HD DVD exclusively, was expected to bringing out its big guns for 2007 at CES -- or at least make enough new announcements to dazzle the early adopters who have been passionately backing the format thus far.

But when we contacted Universal to find out if anything further is to come from the studio out of CES, they confirmed they will not be unveiling any new street dates or detailed title info at all for the duration of the show.
The studio stressed that they continue to support HD DVD and are planning to announce new titles "throughout 2007."

We must say, it seems like a strange promotional strategy to arrive at CES with nothing to brag about, especially given the highly visible nature of the show in the mainstream media, and that Blu-ray's showing has been quite muscular.

To be fair, a promotional flyer has been issued to the press and is available on the show floor, listing several notable HD DVD titles expected from Universal over the coming year, though many were already bandied about by Universal at last year's CES. Among the hits due in in 2007 are: 'The 40 Year-Old Virgin,' 'American Pie,' Bruce Almighty,' the 2003 remake of 'Dawn of the Dead,' 'Pride & Prejudice,' the original 'The Bourne Identity' and 'Inside Man.'

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/list/2

ZIppyDSM you Anti everything so how anyone going to trust anything you say you look at the glass full not half full..Just look at your tag and it say everything....

i have nothing else to add to this tread i'm tired of debunking all Hughjar misleading information.I'm done i stand to be corrected...




Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

7922.1.2007 7:43

bobby blu

I am anti fanboy
I am anti Fluff (padding a game with t&a or gore because they have nothing else)

I am anti shallowness (padding a game or movie with t&a or gore or gimmick because they have nothing else)

I am anti bad gameplay (using stale gameplay and making a gimmick out of it because they cant do anything new.)

I am anti Overpricing/Overcharging

I am anti bad quality control

I guess it seems like I am anti everything because a good bit of new stuff sucks,I guess you don't see it because you are as blind as I am "anti".

Constantly saying the same BS over and over again is getting old,you have no balance in your posts they mindlessly drool over Sony and you refuse to give any respect where it's due,you walk the line of trolling and incite others to break the rules and call you names,I am sorry I am not being Politically correct and hiding behind the issues or worshiping your holy fanboyness if any mod wants to ban me for politely disagreeing with the troll please feel free to do what you need to do.

BTW no I am not perfect I tend to speak to much and not be grammatically correct in my post and flow of words for that and getting acouple threads closed because I helped in derailing it I apologize,now if you will exsuce me I have to go find my arse it seems to have crawl up my head...


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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8022.1.2007 8:20
BobbyBlu
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LOL...thank you for proving what i said was right....





Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

8122.1.2007 8:43

really bobbyblu if your not here to discuss the topic, why do you waste your time just inciting ppl to flawed arguements...Anyway does anyone out there have the actual figures on how many hddvd addons were shipped?

8222.1.2007 8:54
BobbyBlu
Inactive

Quote:
really bobbyblu if your not here to discuss the topic, why do you waste your time just inciting ppl to flawed arguements
Just because i have Blu in my name don't mean i cant talk about the subject.I own a 360 also just go back & read my posts i never got off topic til somebody who alway want it to be a Blu-ray vs HD-DVD tread got it off topic..So back on topic

Quote:
Anyway does anyone out there have the actual figures on how many hddvd addons were shipped?
No Microsoft has not release this info which make you wonder because this is not like them to hide this.I talk to a Microsoft Rep last week when he came in BB he said that even he didn't know.I guess we will find out soon or later...




Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

8322.1.2007 8:57

okay so no one know, that does not mean they are hiding anything. well thanks for the info anyway.

8422.1.2007 13:52

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I'm not going to even read that internet garbage that took him two days to find.Just looking at the links say it all nothing creditable just all talk.
What's wrong with broadcastingcable.com, pcadvisor, and the avsforums?

Writing off a huge post made by hughjars (that probably took him a decent amount of time) as "nothing creditable just all talk" is only detrimental to yourself. Just trying to help you out.


As for the absense of Universal title announcements:
Perhaps it's because they already made their big announcement:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070107/nysu054.html?.v=1

8522.1.2007 13:57
hughjars
Inactive

I just ask this, when the announcement was made about the 300 new HD-DVD titles this year who was chairing that meeting at CES 2007?

It was Universal for those who don't know.

The idea that Universal is lukewarm about HD-DVD and didn't say or do anything at CES 2007 is pure ludicrous propaganda.

Just because HD-DVD is working to a different game-plan to Blu-ray is no indication of anything, they're just not doing things the same way, that's all.
Why should they?

But when all you have got is spin and distortion who's surprised when salient little facts like that are (conveniently) omitted, huh?

You've also got to laugh at the front of the Sony fan-club bashing Microsoft for not saying how many XBox 360 HD-DVD add-ons were shipped when they have been releasing numbers sold.

Unlike Sony who will tell everyone about the 2 million PS3s shipped and then suddenly become silent when it comes to how many actually sold.

You couldn't make it up.

8622.1.2007 14:23
BobbyBlu
Inactive

Quote:
You've also got to laugh at the front of the Sony fan-club bashing Microsoft for not saying how many XBox 360 HD-DVD add-ons were shipped when they have been releasing numbers sold.
We want to know how many was shipped not sold that the true teller if its sold out like you said right....

Quote:
Unlike Sony who will tell everyone about the 2 million PS3s shipped and then suddenly become silent when it comes to how many actually sold.
I said this like two pages ago i said Sony was slow to release there numbers but this is unlike Microsoft..Don't try to turn me into a microsoft basher because im not i just question where you get some of your misleading info...thats all if got a problem with that link here you go feel free to post your arguement with them.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/forms/feedback

i would think they would know more about this than you or me plus they was there you wasn't
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Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

8722.1.2007 14:59

God dammit people!

ZippyDSM, BobbyBlu and solarf - you guys left me no choice. I left a clear warning in nice red letters on the last page that anyone who made personal comments would be suspended and you all are taking jabs at each other. It's not that hard to take the higher road and stick to topic fellas. You each got a week and here's my warning again,


The next person to make any sort of personal comment towards another member will get asn automatic suspension - I don't care who it is!




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8822.1.2007 16:52
hughjars
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Universal was there and they were supporting HD-DVD just like I said.

Here's proof.

The trouble is because HD-DVD did not play the same game as Blu-ray (they did not match Blu-ray's tactic of producing a sheet listing titles and specific release dates week by week) the Blu-ray gang have been trying to talk that up as Universal 'not sufficiently backing HD-DVD'.
Whatever that's supposed to mean.
Propaganda & mere weak straws being clutched at, in other words.

People trying to down-play Universal at this years CES are simply relying on other people not having been to it and not seeing reports of what they said and did.

But those reports are there and Universal were there speaking up for HD-DVD.

.....and like I said, it was Universal that chaired the meeting where 300 new HD-DVD ttles were announced.

Quote:
But the HD DVD camp's real trump card, backers said, will be the arrival this year of "competitively priced" HD DVD players from such companies as Alco, Jiangkui/ED Digital, Lite-On, Shinco, Meridian and Onkyo.
They cite the flood of cheap DVD players retailing for $99 or less as a key factor in bringing DVD to the masses.

"With the addition of new consumer electronics companies to HD DVD, we're predicting more than 2.5 million units in the market by the end of 2007," said Yoshihide Fujii, president and CEO of Toshiba's Digital Media Network Co.
"This growing level of manufacturer support is a clear result of HD DVD winning over enthusiasts and movie lovers alike."

On the software side, more than 300 HD DVD titles are in the market, with an additional 300 planned for this year.
Based on a yearly attach rate of 28 movies per player and an installed based of 2.5 million players by year's end, the North American HD DVD Promotional Group estimates 2007 movie sales to exceed $600 million, more than 40 times the 2006 tally.

"HD DVD is a well-recognized brand name, and it's the best way for consumers to make the transition from DVD into the high-definition world," said Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment and chairman of the North American HD DVD Promotional Group.
"HD DVD has the most reasonably priced players and drives on the market and the highest-quality picture and sound possible, and our hardware sales and attach rates are high.
By the holidays, we'll have more than 600 movies available globally and offer an advanced level of Internet connectivity to drive HD DVD sales."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/cont...3d71b69e7?imw=Y

The strategy is merely different as they say themselves -

Quote:
when we contacted Universal to find out if anything further is to come from the studio out of CES, they confirmed they will not be unveiling any new street dates or detailed title info at all for the duration of the show.
The studio stressed that they continue to support HD DVD and are planning to announce new titles "throughout 2007."

To be fair, a promotional flyer has been issued to the press and is available on the show floor, listing several notable HD DVD titles expected from Universal over the coming year
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/C...m_Universal/429

More

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Firing the opening high-def salvo of this year's Consumer Electronics Show, the North American HD DVD Promotions Group held a press conference late Sunday, with format-supporting studios previewing several high profile new disc titles to come in 2007.

Though exact specs and street dates are still to be announced, primary HD DVD backers Universal Studios Home Entertainment, Warner Home Entertainment and Paramount Home Entertainment released an impressive short list of some of their most highly-awaited new and catalog releases due in 2007.

Among the theatrical blockbusters promised in the coming year are 'The Departed,' 'The Good Shepherd,' 'Flags of Our Fathers,' 'Blade Runner,' 'The Matrix' trilogy and the entire 'Harry Potter' franchise, all from Warner, plus the already-announced February HD DVD debut of Paramount's 'Babel.'

TV on HD DVD will also heat up in 2007, with Warner/HBO issuing more of 'The Sopranos' in season-by-season sets, plus the new Battlestar Galactica' from Universal, and as expected from Paramount, the original series of 'Star Trek,' which was digitally remastered and retooled in HD late last year.

These titles represent just a handful of what the HD DVD Promotions Group today promised will be a total of at least 300 new titles on the format in the next year, from more than 41 studios and distributors currently supporting HD DVD worldwide, including HBO Home Video, New Line Home Entertainment, Genius Product, Inc., The Weinstein Company, Studio Canal, and Bandai Visual.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/417

Like I said talk of movies studios bailing out (as studios - and hardware manufacturers - in fact moved from either Blu-ray exclusive to dual format or out and out HD-DVD exclusive) is wishful thinking, day-dreaming, sheer lies or just total BS from the Blu-ray crowd (you decide).
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8922.1.2007 19:03
hughjars
Inactive

Some solid facts from the official UK Video Charts
(check out how VHS is still able to beat both high def formats!
and how tiny their sales both are compared to SD DVD) -




Read the tiny growth and weep UK Blu-ray fanboys.

.....hey why not ignore the actual tiny numbers sold & just play percentage games (54% growth in sales numbers, wow) ?!

:lol:

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9023.1.2007 9:57

I have been following this thread, although quite painful to sift through, there has been some interesting data to digest.

My concern as an early adopter - what about the studios that are backing only one format? I like Sony movies, my kids love Disney movies - it sucks having to buy HD-DVD and Blu-ray players, then building a collection of both DVD formats just to have access to ALL movies.

I bought the Xbox HD-DVD add-on and a Sony PS3 just to have access to HD movies. I find both formats amazing to watch - and for those who are not impressed, I would question your setup. True some High-Def conversions have been less than brilliant, but so many are fantastic.

Repeating myself, the PS3's bluetooth remote causes me to hold two remotes during Blu-ray movie watching and the dang remote is not backlit. Anyone know of a universal remote that handles bluetooth?

Also, I own lots of Sony equipment - (2)PCs, (3)Receivers, (6)DVD Players, PSP, PS3, (3)TVs - but they don't make the best of everything and they make plenty of mistakes.

If one particular company was perfect, we wouldn't have any format wars! Some guys like blondes and some like brunettes - does that make either one less enjoyable?

My last comment directed to the topic of this thread - I have seen stacks of HD-DVD add-ons at Fry's, Toys-r-us, and Best Buy. Also, you MUST consider that currently most of these units still have King Kong HD-DVD included in the box, which brings down the total cost of $199 to $172 (if you like the movie and based on Amazon's price of $27.95).

9124.1.2007 14:56
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by robtwilk:
My concern as an early adopter - what about the studios that are backing only one format?
- Sadly that's the nature of a format war.

Either you must wait for a single solution (either a dual format disc, player or a single format to win and all previous material on the other kind to transfer to the new single format that wins).

Unfortunately there really isn't much else by way of options......other than perhaps downloading or sticking with SD DVDs for the type you can't get in HD.

(Both formats are currently cracked so d/l'ing is now possible)

In the meantime here's some more factual news of that on-going exclusive Universal HD-DVD support I was talking about dated 23/01/2007 -

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/01/23/universal_hddvd_2007/
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9224.1.2007 15:50

Wow; people got really heated. (I mainly came here in search of what got someone banned.)

Honestly speaking, I'm somewhat surprised that anyone mentioned anything about HD DVD -or- Blu-ray at CES. With the incredible focus that this show has shifted almost entirely to games as of late, it just feels weird to me. IMO, it would feel like setting up a booth for DVD next to the Rainbow Six 3 booth at E3(One of the best booths EVER!!! lol).

I can't personally get all huffy about one side or another on this, because there is still new info, revisions, all kinds of things still coming out. And while one side has more studios; one studio is HUGE, and somewhat compensates. Also, 'a few studios' doesn't win a format war. ALL of them does. And we're a way off from that.

I wouldn't purchase either one yet, though I have a nice HD setup with surround sound (And wonderful thunderdome speaker setup *GLEE*); it's just too early to invest, IMO.

Either one could win, and there's no telling at all. Quality doesn't always win, and sometimes product support(Aka studio participation) doesn't always seem to win over either. It's going to be a battle of advertising and consumers. Pack in bonuses(You bought a $600 player, here's $100-$150 in films with it!) could be a major play... But it seems like BOTH Sony and M$ picked poor titles as pack-ins. It seems that a lot of people aren't fans of King Kong(Never saw it myself), and I personally have zero interest in talladeega nights(I can't for the life of me, imagine how Sony looked into their large exclusive library, of great films, with great visuals, and decided that THAT movie was the way to show off Blu-ray.... Huh!?!)

Regardless, it's still very early on. Who remembers DivX?(Not the .avi codec, the rental discs) Laserdisc? How about DVD-Ram Cartridges(Yeah, they tried to bring back caddies at the dawn of DVD+Rs) Zip drives? Double-sided floppies? In a few years, you might say the same of UMD(The way sales are going).

Needless to say, tons of formats come and go quickly, some are good, some aren't. There's just no way to predict yet, who it will be.

Either way, a very interesting debate.




"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim

9326.1.2007 10:26
hughjars
Inactive

Finally Universal torpedo the BS about them, where are those Blu-ray Bobs and their spin/propaganda/lies now?

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Friday 26th January 2007

Universal puts 100 movies through the HD DVD mill 5:09PM

Universal Studios Home Entertainment (USHE) is further throwing its weight behind HD DVD, the next-gen DVD format. It plans to release 100 HD DVD film and TV titles in 2007 - including the likes of Scarface and Brokeback Mountain - to increase momentum behind HD DVD.

One of the key elements in the battle for dominance between HD DVD and its rival blue-laser format, Blu-ray, is the support of content producers, such as the movie studios. The more content that is available in particular formats the stronger position it can gain in the market place among consumers.

USHE is working through its back catalogue with the roster including such films as: Bruce Almighty, The Bourne Identity, Meet The Fockers, American Pie, Inside Man, Pride & Prejudice, The Big Lebowski, Liar Liar, Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels, Brazil, Erin Brockovich and Shaun of the Dead. These will join its existing 60 HD DVD titles.

It is also, however, committing itself to ongoing HD DVD releases through 2007. More than 90 per cent of the planned 2007 Universal titles, it says, will be released as combo discs - both a HD DVD version and a standard DVD version of the movie on the same disc.

'With more than two million HD DVD players expected in the market in North America by the end of 2007, Universal Studios Home Entertainment is committed to expanding its portfolio of compelling HD DVD content and further igniting consumer demand,' said the president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment, Craig Kornblau.

'By releasing most of our titles as combo discs we effectively satisfy consumers' multi-viewing habits, providing them with the most cost-effective option to watch their favorite films in either their DVD or HD DVD players.'

A complete listing of HD DVD launch titles can be found at

www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.

In the on-going battle for format supremacy neither camp would have welcomed the news that both have been cracked. The hacker who cracked the AACS copy protection on HD DVD discs then circumvented the similar system on the rival Blu-ray technology.

The likes of Sony, Samsung, Philips and Apple are lined up behind Blu-ray technology, with NEC, HP, Intel and Microsoft among those in the rival HD DVD camp.

A potential middle-way has been pioneered by Warner Bros. Entertainment.
Its Total HD high-definition video disc is compatible with both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players, and the company has claimed support from some major retailers, such as Amazon.com.

Among the titles getting the Universal HD DVD treatment will be the original version of Psycho.
Is a 1960s black and white title suitable for the HD DVD treatment, especially when HD DVD players will already be backward compatible with DVD?
HD-DVD-mill.html" target="_blank">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/103190/unive...d-dvd-mill.html

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