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Moore doubts PS3 advantage over Xbox 360

Written by James Delahunty (Google+) @ 29 Jan 2007 17:47 User comments (63)

Moore doubts PS3 advantage over Xbox 360 Microsoft's Peter Moore has said that he believes there is nothing about Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) console that could give it an edge over the Xbox 360 in the console war. "I really don't know what I would look at there that we're really missing," he told IGN.
"I look at the games and I feel really good at where we stand from a portfolio point of view. The online service, they're still trying to get it up to speed and there's nothing really there that I can really point to that I wish we had."

PS3 fans proclaim that Sony's latest console is much more powerful than the Xbox 360, and favor it for the console war despite coming to the starting line a year late. One of the biggest weaknesses they point out in Xbox 360 is the use of the DVD format for game content. However, even some of Sony's biggest fans aren't willing to dish out the high price for the console, a fact that Moore couldn't help but mention.

"You know, certainly the price point of the PS3 isn't something that I want to emulate. It's very difficult for me to point to anything there that I think we're missing right now," he said. When asked about the terrific launch success of the Nintendo Wii, he said he is certainly a big fan of the console.

However he did say that it is what Nintendo "needs to do" adding that it "ties directly into their strong intellectual property that is more youth oriented and more family oriented".

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129.1.2007 17:59

neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr

229.1.2007 18:10

i have just about every system that was ever launched over here(missing the neo geo, and a working saturn)just got my wii and have had my 360 almost a year. and i have a great paying job selling cars. but i cannot justify spending 599 or 499 on the ps3 sorry. and to top it off i think we might, might be looking at a slight differance in video quality (xbox v ps2 anyone?) but im going to wait till the ps3 is around 400-350 for the 60gig. its just not worth it to me right now

329.1.2007 19:16

well what else is he gonna say? "yeah..uh...we're pretty much screwed at this point..."?

429.1.2007 22:29
tabletpc
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wow i find this stupid because nintendo needs to get away from family freindly entertainment this is why the gamecube sales went down the toilet because people want games like grand theft auto bully and other violent video games without these your console will start to go down the toilet fast and worse remember when sony announced they had universal studios supporting blu ray then universal found out how much it will cost them and now support HD DVD funny huh worse if blu ray fails your looking at another 600.00 for a updated ps3 that runs HD DVD Blu-ray for games and other online apps i could understand why sony is charging so much but what sony doesn't realize is there ps2 sales where awesome because they lowered the original $300.00 price tag to 200.00 then they lowered it again to $150.00 then they created a cheaper version for 100.00 and there sales kept rising and kept going up then we here from them that they lost tons of money on the ps2 now i severly doupt that considering they made so much money on the ps2 launch the sales of games accessories everything i would like to know who pocketed the money because it sure wasn't sony so somebody is getting shafted so the long range of things i can see happening 1.sony lowers price tag of ps3 to 250.00 or 300.00 2.if they don't they are going to go bankrupt there spending a million dollers a day just to ship consoles to stores and stores aren't even selling them because of the expensive price tag if it comes down to eating or paying rent versus buying a ps3 i would rather pay my bills or eat

530.1.2007 2:18
ChocTunda
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Okay i find i funny that Microsoft is judgeing a console that been on the market for 2 months compare to one that been out a year.People also want to bash Sony when they make crazy statments but when Microsoft say something it the truth,Wrong.How can he say this when no one but Sony know how strong this system going to be.Here are the facts so far.

1.PS3 has sold more PS3 in Japan in 2 months than 360 has done in a year.

2.PS3 had a better launch than 360 did also saleing more console at launch than 360.

3.Blu-Ray has 90% of Japan market right now to say it going to fail is plain dumb and nonsense because Japan is the largest market then U.S. second which has seen it launch of Blu-ray last year.

Look we don't know which end the PS3 is going to come out on bottom or top.But both console are good in there very own way but its to early to judge Sony.But how soon do we forget that 360 launch was horrible massive shortage's & recall's Sony has not had any of this so far.

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if it comes down to eating or paying rent versus buying a ps3 i would rather pay my bills or eat
If 100 or 200 is that close to you not paying you rent or eating than you should not invest in any system.
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630.1.2007 3:57

I’m surprised PS3’s have not sold well except for possibly Japan which is the center of their cult. I agree with most it is way too expensive, unless you are looking for a BD player. I could see buying one if this was an important selling point right now. I don’t see why Sony would support an HD-DVD since there a prime developer behind the BD and should be cheaper for them to produce. Xbox has way too many advantages over PS3 right now one of the biggest is that you can play backups on it. It amazes me that MS can put out (2) quality consoles and Sony has difficulty just getting (1) out in a reasonable time, at least a year late. I’m going to buy a Wii before even thinking of a PS3. One of the biggest minuses for both consoles is the games price tags at $60 USD is a little crazy. I personally would prefer to pay more for the console and less for the games but this is their way to gouge us just like printer sales and ink cartridges, they lock you in.

730.1.2007 5:40

I like Moore's comment, he isn't bashing PS3, just stating that the PS3 system is not more powerful than the 360. PS3 and Xbox are selling their games at $60 each to make up for lost profits, why is the Wii selling games for $50? Is PS3 even making games on Blu-ray disc yet? I remember a bunch of PS2 games that were purple bottoms (CDs).

830.1.2007 5:47

ChocTundra, I think what TabletPC meant was that they could find better things to spend their money on then a system that is over priced. Just because you live at home still with mama doesn't mean you should blow your college funds on game systems.

930.1.2007 6:08
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ChocTundra, I think what TabletPC meant was that they could find better things to spend their money on then a system that is over priced. Just because you live at home still with mama doesn't mean you should blow your college funds on game systems.
I understood what he meant but let be honest 100 dollar more and you can have a PS3 system not 300 or 500.That why i think people are over reacting or just microsoft fanboys with nothing to do but complain.Okay check this out its funny how we had so people on this site say that the PS3 is over priced but they say that there happy with there HD-DVD drive.I find that funny because you paid the same price as a PS3.If that not a hypocrite statement then what is?

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2.if they don't they are going to go bankrupt there spending a million dollers a day just to ship consoles to stores and stores aren't even selling them because of the expensive price tag
That couldn't close to the truth read for yourself just posted today..

Sony's numbers add up
The electronics giant takes a hit with costs associated with the PS3 but bounces back with strong sales of other consumer goods.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164947.html?tag=latestnews;title;1
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PS3 network I.D.= Chocolatetunda

1030.1.2007 7:07
hughjars
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Instead of this revolving around a totally subjective (and pointless) 'which do you prefer' type debate it strikes me as best to stick to the facts. The PS3 is not more powerful than the XBox 360, they're so close they're about the same. Each is very evenly matched, performance-wise, with the other. One is a little better in one regard and the other a different regard. But it is frankly laughable to pretend that the PS3 actually shows any 'superiority' at anything, it doesn't. .....and having a built-in Blu-ray drive is proving to be far from an actual 'asset'. Pity about the expense tho, huh?

1130.1.2007 7:14

tabletpc .........the main reason the GC didnt do to well was because they didn't support it and most devs made games on the PS2. If a console maker is not willing to get out and attract devs to make games on their system they are dead,this hurt nintendo the most well,the Xbox only did a bit better so in all the PS2 was the console of the past 8 years.

1230.1.2007 7:16

hughjars has the PS3 archtirue been disproven on physics? I believe at last count that was the only thing the PS3 could do "better"?

1330.1.2007 7:42
ChocTunda
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.and having a built-in Blu-ray drive is proving to be far from an actual 'asset'.
Not true Blu-ray sales are very high now that PS3 has hit the market in the U.S as much 20%.With over 1.5 million console sold here in the U.S. that has been very huge boost for Blu-ray.

1430.1.2007 7:49

ChocTunda The price itself is what is hurting it the most,I dnt think anyone thought these would just fly off the shelves at the current prices. the short run will be the hardest for the PS3,in the long run it should do well but now its hurting,hell the 360 is still limping some and its a year old.

1530.1.2007 8:07
hughjars
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Not true Blu-ray sales are very high now that PS3 has hit the market in the U.S as much 20%.
- "Very high"!?

You have got to be kidding.

Whatever view one takes in this so-called 'format war', none of the high def formats are selling in genuinely "high" numbers, all are still dwarfed by SD DVD (and will be for a long time to come).....mind you they are both apparantly making money so expect both to continue for some time to come.

With over 1 million PS3's combining to produce movie disc sales which are (using the Blu-ray association's own - suspect - CES figures) no more than 20% higher than HD-DVD's sales numbers that cannot be what anyone independent could possibly call "very high" sales.

Frankly it's pathetic and points to the low (movie disc) attachment rate many expected of a mere games console.

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With over 1.5 million console sold here in the U.S. that has been very huge boost for Blu-ray.
- Shipped isn't sold, who knows how many have really been sold?
The PS3 games machine isn't an a/v unit.
It's stuck in a kind of no-mans land, and what we do know of the sales numbers reflects this.

The truth is that the PS3 has not led to the avalanche in retail Blu-ray movie disc sales some expected.

The (highly debatable) boost to Blu-ray movie disc sales numbers was expected but the degree to which the disc sales have grown is clearly far from impressive.

The obvious 'give-away' to this is the refusal for anybody to release independently verified sales numbers.

1630.1.2007 8:21
hughjars
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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
hughjars
has the PS3 archtirue been disproven on physics?
I believe at last count that was the only thing the PS3 could do "better"?
- Depends who and what you read, some rate the PS3 cells as so specialised they aren't quite the 'wow' that has been described or expected.

IMO it's so close it isn't worth the distinction, if anything the XBox 360 gets the nod on versitility and outright power.

Here's a couple of decent independent reads if you're interested -

http://www.itvidya.com/playstation_3_vs_xbox_360

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6125087/...25087&type=tech

http://news.softpedia.com/news/PC-versus...-360-2134.shtml

http://3dgpu.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t4406.html

1730.1.2007 8:26
ChocTunda
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ChocTunda The price itself is what is hurting it the most,I dnt think anyone thought these would just fly off the shelves at the current prices. the short run will be the hardest for the PS3,in the long run it should do well but now its hurting,hell the 360 is still limping some and its a year old
Very true but the lack of game also figure into this.
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Shipped isn't sold, who knows how many have really been sold?
1.5 i seen it some where U.S. sold like 1 million & japan did close to 500,00 that sold not shipped. The company successfully achieved this milestone by the end of the 2006 calendar year, just six weeks after the product was introduced on November 17, 2006. PS3 has been selling-out at retail outlets across North America since it was launched. This high consumer demand drove PS3 to reach the one-million mark before its predecessors, the PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system and the original PlayStation game console – both systems combined have shipped more than 200 million units of hardware and more than two billion units of software worldwide. “Sony Computer Entertainment America went to great lengths to help meet demand for PS3, including airlifting systems into North America on a weekly basis to ensure a steady stream of units were available to consumers throughout the holiday season,” said Jack Tretton, president and CEO, SCEA. “The fact that we were able to reach the one-million mark faster than our top-selling platform, PS2, further validates the strength of the PlayStation brand and our belief that consumers are ready to experience true high-definition gaming.” “Reaching the one million mark for PS3 is the first of many major milestones for us as we head into a new year. Even more impressive, is that we were able to accomplish this feat while successfully managing two other platforms—PS2 and PSP,” said Tretton. “With three PlayStation platforms now available to users, 2007 will be about software and delivering innovative, new experiences and award-winning franchises to consumers, both through retail and through our online PLAYSTATION®Network.” http://www.cdrinfo.com/forum/tm.asp?m=134764&mpage=1𠺂 Remember that not counting Japan.

1830.1.2007 8:32
hughjars
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Like I said shipped is not sold, they claimed to have shipped 2 million not long ago. There are plenty of reports of unsold PS3 everywhere. The 'ebay premium' lasted no time at all which was another obvious indicator of plentiful supply, generally speaking. (that's not to say some stores have run out or supplies have not been shipped around the US, they have cos retailers have said so and been complaining about the additional costs incurred). The problem is nothing to do with comparing to what happened elsewhere or with the last PS. It's everything to do with them being so far off and away from their projections and estimates. That's what gets people laid off and places closed these days. It is serious and a swift look at Sony's financial situation these days does not paint a pretty picture.

1930.1.2007 8:34
BobbyBlu
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Don't waste your time chocotunda they just don't get it or don't want to accepted it. But what you said i agree with you those are facts it don't matter which system is the strongest.its content that going to matter Games & Blu-ray. 1.PS3 has sold more PS3 in Japan in 2 months than 360 has done in a year. 2.PS3 had a better launch than 360 did also saleing more console at launch than 360. 3.Blu-ray has 90% of Japan market right now to say it going to fail is plain dumb and nonsense because Japan is the largest market then U.S. second which has seen it launch of Blu-ray last year. Very true.

2030.1.2007 8:43
ChocTunda
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It is serious and a swift look at Sony's financial situation these days does not paint a pretty picture.
Not really might want to take a look at this i post it somewhere this morning & dated for today. Sony's numbers add up The electronics giant takes a hit with costs associated with the PS3 but bounces back with strong sales of other consumer goods. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164947.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

2130.1.2007 8:48
BobbyBlu
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Like I said shipped is not sold, they claimed to have shipped 2 million not long ago.

Jack Tretton, president and CEO, SCEA. “The fact that we were able to reach the one-million mark faster than our top-selling platform, PS2, further validates the strength of the PlayStation brand and our belief that consumers are ready to experience true high-definition gaming.”

....LOL
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2230.1.2007 8:54

Originally posted by BobbyBlu:
Don't waste your time chocotunda they just don't get it or don't want to accepted it.

But what you said i agree with you those are facts it don't matter which system is the strongest.its content that going to matter Games & Blu-ray.

1.PS3 has sold more PS3 in Japan in 2 months than 360 has done in a year.

2.PS3 had a better launch than 360 did also saleing more console at launch than 360.

3.Blu-Ray has 90% of Japan market right now to say it going to fail is plain dumb and nonsense because Japan is the largest market then U.S. second which has seen it launch of Blu-ray last year.


Very true.

Don't waste your time posting off topic lets try and trade facts on the issues and not personal comments of ANY kind,or a mod will premaban us all *L*

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2330.1.2007 9:11
hughjars
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Not really might want to take a look at this i post it somewhere this morning & dated for today.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164947.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

- Yeah but the problem here is comparing like with like.

The financial arrangements are so labyrinthine and sub-divided that it's difficult to work out where they really are (in the game division).

This was from Oct 2006 (regarding the CE division) -

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Huge charges for the cost of recalling 9.6 million defective batteries all but wiped out Sony’s profits for the latest quarter, the company reported today.

The company reported today that it earned a net profit of 1.7 billion yen ($14.4 million) in the three months ended Sept. 30, the second quarter of its fiscal year.
That was a 94 percent decline from the comparable period a year earlier, despite sales that were 8.3 percent higher at 1.9 trillion yen ($16 billion).
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/26/busine...artner=homepage

So profits ($14.4 million) were half those of a normal year (so say $30 million).
That's not a great margin.

.....and despite the resident fanboy's wailing (about off-topic and totally missing the point comparisons with what has gone before)
it is still true that PS3 numbers have not matched projections - leading to those projections being (publicly - surprising for a Japanese company) down-graded.

That remains a very serious matter for the comany and it's backers/bankers, such is the way modern financing works nowadays.

..........so any comment relating to the thread topic?
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2430.1.2007 9:51
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I would just like the few posters here to work on their grammer and spelling, we know and you know who you are. Talk about mind melting trying to figure out what the hell you are trying to say....DAMN!

2530.1.2007 10:02

psyantist but if I beat my self any more with the grammar stick I wont be able to type....wait...... :

2630.1.2007 11:09

How about true 1080p Mr. Moore? How about a drive that stores more then 9GB? How about a bigger hard drive? How about Nvidia RSX? How about the Cell? I doubt if you are really ever going to hear any news from Mr. Moore.

2730.1.2007 11:15

TCW_Crew Currently the cell is no diffrent than the 3 core in the 360. the 360 dose need a bigger HD and MS should be doing one at least the old fickle 360 hardware is on its way out. now if sony could make the PS3 affordable by dropping it 200 the consoles can fight on the true core of things the games.

2830.1.2007 12:01

Im a Playstation fan to the death and I recently played a few games on PS3. So far i see were the game system is headed version the 360. I currently have the 360 and had it for a year now and im not impressed with the 360 at all the quality of graphics now are about the same i still sony the edge its slightly more definition at this point in a couple games but not by much. I still wont buy the Ps3 until later this year when i know most of the major bugs are out. But i dont know why people all over hyped up because PS3 just came out and people pre judging this system. 360 been out for a minute and its just starting to put good graphical games out. In the beginning of 360 it was slow nothing good was on it all the games were half made now that they had a year people acting as if PS3 came out the same time as the 360. Ima gut it out with my 360 until further notice but Sony is still better in my opinion.

2930.1.2007 12:25

I dont know they both seem pretty even on the graphics department. But its just so hard to get over the price of the PS3.

3030.1.2007 12:30

solarf pretty much the PS3 is ok for what it offers if it was priced around 400. I want mroe info on the new 360 revision I am thinking of going all out and get a nice moded case and lights :3 need to make sure the new one is not compeltely different than the current 360.

3130.1.2007 13:59

Why do people compare the sales of the PS3 and Xbox360 in Japan and state that the PS3 is the console winner? Yeah, big whoopy di do, they sold more PS3's in 2 months than Xbox360 sold in a year (in Japan.) It's only Japan. What about the rest of the world??? That's like saying I'm gonna be president of the whole US 'cause I won a popularity contest in Houston, TX (haha!) I have both console's and to be honest, my PS3's collecting dust. The online service is weak, PS3 games are scarce, the software interface is lacking and the controller's have no rumble feature. The Blu-ray functionality is decent but my high-end dvd player looks just as good and doesn't cost $650 w/tax and that doesn't include HDMI cable. The Xbox360 excels at all the PS3's weaknesses and cost cheaper so what's not to like about that? Come on Sony. They didn't even pack in a freakin' headset for online play. Xbox360 came with everything. Cables, Headset, wireless controller, and dvd controller. I'm very dissappointed with my PS3. The only reason I keep it is 'cause I hope they try to redeam themselves and put out some decent stuff over the next few years.

3230.1.2007 14:16

I wish all these corporate jackasses would just shut their mouths and let the gamers decide which is best. The trash talk from them is just repetitive, stale, and very annoying. I mean of course they will side with the console they're making, DUH!!!

3330.1.2007 16:26

to all who post about this ebay is not the market its the secondary market 99% of all ebay sellers bought the system the fact that no one is buying them on ebay and the seller is forced to lower the ebay selling price means there are more ps3 systems on the retail market ......... and on a side note if the HD-DVD media player on the x-box360 is software what is stopping sony from making their own software HD-DVD media player ?????? what a way to mess with m$

3430.1.2007 17:02

Argh, The people stating the JAPAN facts are hurting my head, Japan is NOT the decider in what will win the format war or console war. PS3 is selling better in Japan! Wow who gives a flying f*ck? Were western not asian. The 360 is outselling the PS3 in North and South America, Europe, UK, Australia some of those places the PS3 isnt even available yet. Which means at the end of the day the 360 is getting more and more units out the door every day while the PS3 is not. Hell there even cutting the price of the PS3 in Japan to entice players to buy the consoles there aswell.

3530.1.2007 17:06

lfzombie, thats a good point about Ebay. But it would look really bad for Blu-ray if Sony embedded any sort of HDDVD software or hardware into it's PS3.

3630.1.2007 17:35

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what is stopping sony from making their own software HD-DVD media player ?????? what a way to mess with m$
What a brilliant plan: Lets give Toshiba the format war and try to make the ps3 even more expensive!

3730.1.2007 20:40

Originally posted by AIM2Shame:
Argh, The people stating the JAPAN facts are hurting my head, Japan is NOT the decider in what will win the format war or console war.

PS3 is selling better in Japan! Wow who gives a flying f*ck? Were western not asian.

The 360 is outselling the PS3 in North and South America, Europe, UK, Australia some of those places the PS3 isnt even available yet. Which means at the end of the day the 360 is getting more and more units out the door every day while the PS3 is not.

Hell there even cutting the price of the PS3 in Japan to entice players to buy the consoles there aswell.
dude.....the video game industry's frigging foundation is japan,without sony and nintendo gaming would be bleaker than it is,plus half or more of the devs are Japanese yes Japan is a deciding factor in the over all console war,look at the PS2 it "won" the last round because of the OTT support from japan.

The 360 dose not have the wolrd wide footing to "win" currently and if sony starts fighting in this war instead of being a bystander (lowering prices) sony will pretty much "win" again,altho like in Car racing the winner is the one whos just a bit faster/better than the other.

The way I see it the 360 just dosent have the world wide appeal the PS3 has and when the PS3 drops 100-200 they will pawn all,now during this time devs can jump ship I see a few of each biding their time on the WII or 360 but all in all for the long run (4-8years) it will be a repeat of the last console war with Nintendo out doing the 360,there is a chance for the 360 and the WII to gain the upper hand and thats ,bet on devs and give them anything they need to create games for your system whatever it takes to get games on it the WII could be the next ps2 with enough support but I dont see it I see the PS3 sales picking up in acouple of years the 360 to ale slowly but steadily and the WII to be everywhere.

there are no losers in a console war unless its maker goes bankrupt its normally a 2 or 3 way tie with the 3rd wheel not selling as well as the other 2,

The PS3 has the name and the backing to be the system of the decade but for now it has 1-3 rough years because of the price of the system.

The 360 dose not have the dev support thus is stuck in 2nd gear

The WII is cheap and innovative and will sale well on that but because it lacks the full support the PS3 "might have" and lacks the power to truly fight with the big boys I see it as stuck in 2nd gear as well,the PS3 is staling out but once it starts going it will be unstoppable.
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3830.1.2007 20:47

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I'd pay 800-1200 for a PS3 with HD and BR without a 2nd thought.
least that way it'd be done and over with :P


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3931.1.2007 2:15
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Why do people compare the sales of the PS3 and Xbox360 in Japan and state that the PS3 is the console winner? Yeah, big whoopy di do, they sold more PS3's in 2 months than Xbox360 sold in a year (in Japan.) It's only Japan.
If you don't know why this is a big reason then dismis yourself from this tread.Because Japan like it or not is the world biggest Electronics retailer not US OR any other country so why make a statement like that if you don't know what your talking about.
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The 360 is outselling the PS3 in North and South America, Europe, UK, Australia some of those places the PS3 isnt even available yet. Which means at the end of the day the 360 is getting more and more units out the door every day while the PS3 is not.
So i take it that you didn't know that the 360 launched a year ago so that might have something to do with that.

4031.1.2007 2:52

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Because Japan like it or not is the world biggest Electronics retailer not US OR any other country
Japan may be the world's biggest electronics retailer (read:manufacturer/seller) but I think the US/North America is still the largest market (read:buyer). For CE companies the market and the buyer is still what counts for their bottom line. Case in point: Of the first 500K units of the PS3 - 400K went to the US & Canada while 100K went to Japan. If Japan had the biggest market in the world then more units would have gone to Japan.

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4131.1.2007 3:23
hughjars
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Just a few facts for this 'market' debate -

Japan has approx 127 million people and a barely growing & rapidly aging population - faster than anywhere else btw.

The USA has approx 300 million (331 million for the whole continent with Canada) and a growing population.

The 27 countries of EU Europe has approx 500 millions, with slow growth and an aging population.

The Japanese market compared to the US & EU is tiny.

4231.1.2007 3:55

Originally posted by hughjars:
The Japanese market compared to the US & EU is tiny.
Exactly right. One would imagine that CE companies (including Japanese ones) will base their marketing decisions on sales projections for North America, the EU and maybe even China (which has the potential to become the largest market in the future.)

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4331.1.2007 3:59
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Just a few facts for this 'market' debate - Japan has approx 127 million people and a barely growing & rapidly aging population - faster than anywhere else btw. The USA has approx 300 million (331 million for the whole continent with Canada) and a growing population. The 27 countries of EU Europe has approx 500 millions, with slow growth and an aging population. The Japanese market compared to the US & EU is tiny.
Thats population just because you have so many people in that market does not add up to who is spending money.There a reason Japan gets all the new electronics before the rest of the world do because they spend more money than the rest plus they are not called the electronics capital of the world for nothing.I don't want this to turn into Japan vs the world tread so lets get on topic i was just showing why Japan have a major impact when it come to console's i'm pretty sure we would agree on that.

4431.1.2007 4:17

Why are people still judging PS3 to 360 when PS3 just came out. It don't make any since to do that being 360 has been out a little over a year PS3 3 months. That time frame will never add up until PS3 is out long enough to correct everything that 360 has done its system. Plus people can argue all they want about paying $500 - $600 for a PS3 but in the long run you already paid that and then some with 360 and they coming out with a newer 360 which your gonna kick out some more money. M$ makes you pay for every bit of the use of your 360 at every level PS3 doesn't. Once you get a PS3 their online service is free but still needs some improving thats the only edge at this point that 360 has over that system but as for cost why did 360 come out a year later with a HD- Dvd player for the 360 most money you need to spend if you want it. M$ points to get game updates more money spent online subscription more money spent, little cheap games in 360 market online more money. As i said M$ is nickel dime the hell outta people since its systems been out. Now as for PS3 im certain there are some cost with the use of their system but they giving you more with the system once you get the PS3 with the 60 gig drive your done for a while 360 is making another drive to put on a 360 more cost outta your pocket. People really need to look at the big picture M$ is really over charging you but because PS3 cost is high to begin with people are saying it ain't worth it i don't agree at all. Now my last comment on this is graphics as i posted on my last comment at this point they are neck and neck with graphics PS3's are a little bit brighter but at this point this is the only difference. If you paid attention it took 360 6-10 months before we get more then 1 quality game which was GRAW all the rest of the half made games were really trash and a waste of $60. PS3 is now in that boat of not being in a quality game rut like 360 so if PS3 is where 360 this time next year and not have better looking games then all the complaints about 360 being better then PS3 will be true until then lets wait and see.

4531.1.2007 6:03
BobbyBlu
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AMEN spydah This what i been saying like three weeks now.But i would have to say that the 360 has 3 really good games in a year. GOW,LostPlanet,& dead raising.But i really feel that the 360 will not have a game that going to surpass GOW i think that game was a head of its time.

4631.1.2007 7:09

Yeah i agree God Of War 2 will be out on 3/13/07 i cant wait. The first was the best game i played probably ever.

4731.1.2007 7:18

BobbyBlu good point they are gadget happy ^^ they also are still have good bit of game devs lil by lil EU and US devs are filling out the pie, but they still are half or so of it. the 360 is doing well despite the issues it has,I still think devs or lack of games is keeping the system down,Nintendo needs to ramp up support but I think they have enough bases covered to do well. The PS3 has everything to be the center of gaming but the price thus will have a hard couple of years,but I see it dominating again unless devs jump ship but....I just don't see them going to nintendo.

4831.1.2007 7:48
ChocTunda
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The PS3 has everything to be the center of gaming but the price thus will have a hard couple of years,but I see it dominating again unless devs jump ship but....I just don't see them going to nintendo.
I agree with you but we don't know if Sony going to have have a hill to climb til next year or so.But dev's are justing ship because they want to get the money that first party's has been getting.Like today THQ said that Saints Row is coming to PS3.I don't blame them they can make more money on two console than one.Why should they limit themselves.

4931.1.2007 7:48

Originally posted by spydah:
Yeah i agree God Of War 2 will be out on 3/13/07 i cant wait. The first was the best game i played probably ever.
I think he meant Gears of War, but God of War is a killer game, I just got the first one on PS2 ($15!!) and am addicted to it.

5031.1.2007 7:55

ChocTunda because of dev's being bought and sold and ate up be large pubs almost any dev has access to multi platform making and since the pubs rule all it makes them more money to do a port and sale it on another system. Exclusivity is a thing for the past,games are simply to costly to make now adays to hinge your bets on one system. Only Corporations that have deals with other will not let games be multi system.

5131.1.2007 8:50
psyantist
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hughjars is the only poster in this thread that makes valid logical sense. I would like to point out the 360 year old arguement as extremely weak when trying to way lay the inadequacies of the PS3 because the PS3 development's timeline is probably older than that of the 360. You can't honestly believe they did any critical development in their delay to market. And as far as offering more the 360 has it in spades over any of the competition. Who cares about Blu-ray or HD DVD, I just watched "Lady in the Water" in HD and I don't even have an HD player, just DL'ed. And the XNA stuff is cool as hell if you are into that sort of thing, but the aspect of the little guy making cool apps is sweet. Buy a Piece of Shit 3, I don't care. You can have your immensly small margin of better graphics if it pans out for you, which it prolly won't. I'll take a system who is innovative and bringing more to me than shoveling crap down my throat and telling me to like it. Booooooo Sony......Hoo Ray MS and Nintendo

5231.1.2007 9:49

Yup my bad on the God of war post i wasn't paying attention i forgot Gears of War have the same initials.

5331.1.2007 9:55

Originally posted by spydah:
Yup my bad on the God of war post i wasn't paying attention i forgot Gears of War have the same initials.
Heh, you're not the first, I guess it's bound to happen with 2 great games with the same initials.

541.2.2007 6:42
BobbyBlu
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hughjars is the only poster in this thread that makes valid logical sense. I would like to point out the 360 year old arguement as extremely weak when trying to way lay the inadequacies of the PS3 because the PS3 development's timeline is probably older than that of the 360. You can't honestly believe they did any critical development in their delay to market.

And as far as offering more the 360 has it in spades over any of the competition. Who cares about Blu-ray or HD DVD, I just watched "Lady in the Water" in HD and I don't even have an HD player, just DL'ed. And the XNA stuff is cool as hell if you are into that sort of thing, but the aspect of the little guy making cool apps is sweet.

Buy a Piece of Shit 3, I don't care. You can have your immensly small margin of better graphics if it pans out for you, which it prolly won't. I'll take a system who is innovative and bringing more to me than shoveling crap down my throat and telling me to like it.

Booooooo MS and Nintendo ......Hoo Ray Sony.
Great post you went from talking about downloading HD content that you said you dont care about to curseing let us know if your going to bring something to the table about this topic.
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Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

551.2.2007 7:59
hughjars
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Not really might want to take a look at this i post it somewhere this morning & dated for today.

Sony's numbers add up
The electronics giant takes a hit with costs associated with the PS3 but bounces back with strong sales of other consumer goods.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164947.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

- Old news and partial and selective at that; you need to compare like with like as I said.
The company is so subdivided that you have to compare the games division, not the parent entity.

Try this on; this isn't the shrill wailing of the fanboy(s) or a fanzine site this is serious sober and respected people like Bloomberg and market analysts Merrill Lynch -

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Sony Games Division to Post Wider Loss Than Forecast (Update3)

By Pavel Alpeyev

Jan. 31 2007(Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's largest maker of video-game players, said losses at its PlayStation unit will exceed an October forecast of 200 billion yen ($1.6 billion) this fiscal year because of price cuts to fend off Nintendo Co.'s Wii.

The loss for the year ending March 31 will be less than 250 billion yen, Takao Yuhara, head of investor relations, told reporters in Tokyo today. The business will probably break even the following year, he said.

The comments reinforce concerns over Sony's flagship console, whose sales have lagged behind the Wii since the PlayStation 3's debut in November. Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer has called the console one of Sony's ``champion products'' that will be an earnings driver for the electronics company.

The PlayStation 3 launch ``has turned out to be worse than even our pessimistic scenario,'' Merrill Lynch & Co. analyst Hitoshi Kuriyama wrote in a note yesterday. The console ``emerges as a key concern'' for earnings growth next year, said the Tokyo- based analyst, who recommends investors sell Sony shares.

Sony yesterday reported a 5.3 percent decline in third- quarter net income to 159.9 billion yen. The result was better than analysts estimated because a weaker yen and sales of Bravia flat-screen televisions helped offset the loss in games.

``We hope the PlayStation 3 business will turn to a profit in the fiscal second-half next year as initial costs will decrease,'' Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda said yesterday.

Shares of Sony fell for a third day, declining 1.4 percent to close at 5,550 yen in Tokyo. The stock has gained 6.1 percent in the past six months, compared with the 13 percent gain by the Nikkei 225 Stock Average.

Games Earnings

The game division, Sony's second-largest by revenue, lost 54.2 billion yen in the quarter ended Dec. 31, compared with a profit of 67.8 billion yen a year earlier. Analysts predicted a loss of 50.9 billion yen.

Costs associated with the launch of the PlayStation 3, including air transportation expenses, and slower-than-expected sales of the PlayStation Portable were the main reasons for the loss, the company said yesterday.

Sony also had to cut the price of the PlayStation 3 in Japan after consumers there complained the player was too expensive compared with players from Nintendo and Microsoft Corp.

In the U.S. and Japan, Kyoto-based Nintendo's Wii is outselling the PlayStation 3 by about 2-to-1.

Kyoto-based Nintendo, the world's largest handheld game maker, last week reported profit in its latest quarter jumped 40 percent to 77.6 billion yen, fueled by demand for Wii consoles and portable DS game players.

Separately, prices of liquid-crystal display televisions will probably fall about 30 percent this year, same as the previous year, Yuhara said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...i7CU&refer=home

- They're in trouble and this is serious.

Expect them to try and bring some PS3 price cuts - and soon - to try and breathe some life into this disasterous thing.
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561.2.2007 8:29
BobbyBlu
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Old news and partial and selective at that; you need to compare like with like as I said.
The company is so subdivided that you have to compare the games division, not the parent entity
Sony is Sony.Blah,Blah,& Blah.Old news that link was posted like two day ago.I'm going to post it so you can read it again not pick out stuff that couldn't be close to the truth.




Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
(9/20/06) Microsoft: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support.

571.2.2007 10:14

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Sony is Sony.Blah,Blah,& Blah.Old news that link was posted like two day ago.I'm going to post it so you can read it again not pick out stuff that couldn't be close to the truth.
I believe he posted the link, so yes, we can all read it.
Basically, Sony's Tv's are the only thing keeping them somewhat stable. The last update was yesterday, and this is hardly "old news" considering financial results are usually released on a quarterly basis...

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Why are people still judging PS3 to 360 when PS3 just came out. It don't make any since to do that being 360 has been out a little over a year PS3 3 months.

Weren't a lot of xbox launch titles already better than the ps2's games at that time? It's been a while, but I thought the Madden and NHL launch games for Xbox (and possibly GCN) were clearly and obviously better (visually) than the ps2 ports that same year. Rogue Squadron on the GCN was also talked about for better graphics too.

It just seems to me that the gap between the ps3 and 360 won't be all that big.

581.2.2007 11:06

oofRome
the 360 did have a few more launch titles,the PS3 seems to be hurting for games and sales games = sales I guess *L*

I think most of us are judging the PS3 on the rice and what it brings not necessarily the games,it is clear that gaming is still shallow and top heavy since the PS3 only amps the top heaviness a bit for a premium non the less....some of us look at it and see more of the same with extra consumer money loss on the side....damn I think I went into a anti everything rant >>



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591.2.2007 11:37
psyantist
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BobbyBlu - If you had been following along with the thread and could comprehend what my post was about then you would realize what I was stating. Let me re-iterate for you....who cares about HD-DVD or Blu-ray when the option to download the content is available. In this scenario the debate over which format to chose and what player to have is mute.

Obviously by your handle you are seeing red from all the negative Sony talk so I'll let you slide on this one, but thanks for the criticism.


Psyantist

601.2.2007 15:07

while all of you are talking smack the Ps3 is on a downward spiral to a big pile of shit.

611.2.2007 15:48

UHALL I wouldn't say that,the PS3 dose have everything to rule gamedom but the price itself is keeping it down the 360 is pulling itself together and the WII is meek. things are a mess and the systems need to mature,it stll seems a 2 way tie between Sony and MS and the WII getting everything else. making it almost a 3 way tie.

625.2.2007 11:52
humzaiq
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i got hit by lightning for spamming this fine site!!! edited by ddp

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636.2.2007 3:11

Well it has been said that the meek (perhaps that should be miik?) shall inherit the earth....

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