Needs to be lower unless they will toss in 10-20 movies...

good to see the prices dropping on BluRay as well
competition is great

Hmm... $100 for HD-DVD or $340 for Blu-ray. I have to say I'm still not quite sold on Blu-ray. :D If they expect to win this little competition they're going to have to do better than that.

Hmmmmm, what's keeping these people, eh?

Where are all the 'desperation', 'fire sale' and 'stock clearance' comments now, huh?

LMAO.

Blu-ray.....even at $339.99, it's cheapest it's still well over $150 more expensive than HD DVD - and the BDP 1400 is one hell of a buggy player - and it's only profile 1.0 & therefore well under-spec'd & already obsolescent.

The Toshiba HD A3 is currently $173.98 on Amazon and for quibblers on the whole 1080i/1080p nonsense the HD A30 is comfortably under that Blu-ray price too @ $279.98.

Even with HD players so low, I can't see Joe Everyman running out to buy a next gen standalone just yet. Maybe after they drop down to the $100 mark people will start investing in the next gen formats. I'm sure more and more people have been investing recently but I doubt it is anywhere near the numbers both camps would like to be seeing.

Amen brother dvd-9 for me all the way and a good upconvert dvd player does the trick.

The other thing is, as long as HD-DVD players and Blu-ray players remain backward compatable I doubt people will rush to rebuy their whole movie collection on a more expensive format when they really wont need to. Although I wouldn't be supprised if Blu-ray won the war if Sony dropped the backward compatability sometime afterwards.

Drop backwards compatability? That is crazy talk there. How can you even replace your movie collection when the movies aren't even on BD or HD-DVD? I don't understand why we are not getting the must have movies that we all have on dvd already. LOTR, Star Wars, and so on. Release some good movies already and give us some sales in HD. I couldn't find one ad that included either format on Black Friday. I am spending any extra money on other hobbies because of lack of selection.

I still say if you want one of these you would be better off getting a PS3. At least it offers more for that kind of price.

Of course no-one is going to replace their existing DVD collection (not at least until they get a large HD TV and see for themselves the benefit of real high def DVD over upscaled DVD).

The point here is that HD DVD players are now at and around the price of a regular decent SD DVD player.

There's no point in 'just' buying a new upscaling SD DVD player, you'd be crazy not to just pay the same sort of money and buy an excellent upscaling DVD player that also happens to be a fine HD DVD player.
That's the (mass) market HD DVD is going for.

The PS3 isn't even at the races on that one.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Of course no-one is going to replace their existing DVD collection (not at least until they get a large HD TV and see for themselves the benefit of real high def DVD over upscaled DVD).

The point here is that HD DVD players are now at and around the price of a regular decent SD DVD player.

There's no point in 'just' buying a new upscaling SD DVD player, you'd be crazy not to just pay the same sort of money and buy an excellent upscaling DVD player that also happens to be a fine HD DVD player.
That's the (mass) market HD DVD is going for.

The PS3 isn't even at the races on that one.

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Well that was not my point. My point was that the price they set for the Blu-ray players as a lower type price is still just about the same as a $400 PS3. At least you can do more with a PS3 over that lowered Blu-Ray player. As i stated before i could careless about all these sites whom post stats and figures on who they think will win based on their own bias opinions. Personally all this is a waste of time to sit here throw numbers out that will never settle any of these wars that arent nothing but BS.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Of course no-one is going to replace their existing DVD collection (not at least until they get a large HD TV and see for themselves the benefit of real high def DVD over upscaled DVD).

The point here is that HD DVD players are now at and around the price of a regular decent SD DVD player.

There's no point in 'just' buying a new upscaling SD DVD player, you'd be crazy not to just pay the same sort of money and buy an excellent upscaling DVD player that also happens to be a fine HD DVD player.
That's the (mass) market HD DVD is going for.

The PS3 isn't even at the races on that one.

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ok hughjars shut up, i mean jesus christ if you find anything wrong with blu-ray your like "i have to cut it down immediately" but then when someone says something about hd-dvd you try to protect it using something against blu-ray, like "oh its on for $339, FIRE SALE," like i mean toshiba put a hd-dvd player on for $98 and sony is the one having a fire sale? god dammit, we get the point, you like hd-dvd.

Originally posted by camaro17:

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ok hughjars shut up

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- No.

It's an open public message board and I'm acting 100% within the rules.

Go try & exercise your dreary little fascist tendencies on someone who might care less about how you can't bear to hear anything different to what you 'think'.

What I said was spot on & totally accurate
(both in terms of the current situation regarding price, the relative specs and not forgetting the gross and patently obvious hypocrisy of certain posters)

It's gotta be lower.

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Originally posted by camaro17:

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ok hughjars shut up

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- No.

It's an open public message board and I'm acting 100% within the rules.

Go try & exercise your dreary little fascist tendencies on someone who might care less about how you can't bear to hear anything different to what you 'think'.

What I said was spot on & totally accurate
(both in terms of the current situation regarding price, the relative specs and not forgetting the gross and patently obvious hypocrisy of certain posters)

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i am sorry for telling you to shut up but everytime something good happens to blu-ray you always try to cut it down by mentioning something bad about it, like as if hd-dvd doesn't have its downsides too

Originally posted by camaro17:

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i am sorry for telling you to shut up

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- No problem, I've always got time for a guy who is happy to apologise. ;)

If my response came over as unnecessarily 'spikey' then I too apologise, I'm not here to pick fights with anyone.

Originally posted by camaro17:

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but everytime something good happens to blu-ray you always try to cut it down by mentioning something bad about it, like as if hd-dvd doesn't have its downsides too

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- The truth is that I got sick of the Blu-ray BS, that's all.

The 'we already won' line is so full of it it deserves to be challenged at every turn.

All I've ever done is put the other side to the story.

Fair enough on this occasion part of that was a jibe about the usual 'desperation/fire sale/stock clearance' Blu-ray fanclub's jibes over any HD DVD price cut but I was 100% accurate on the facts regarding the state of play between the formats (re prices and specs).

The prices are heading the right way i will wait for it go lower and also waiting for the the burners price to drop.

Will not change formats until....I can make backups of those movies, record and burn in the new format, and pay 30$ or less for a 25pak spindle. Until then no switch for me!