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BT wants to cut off pirate's Internet

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 28 Jun 2008 14:30 User comments (29)

BT wants to cut off pirate's Internet BT, the largest broadband service provider in the UK, has begun threatening "pirates" with disconnection from the Internet if they are found to be sharing copyrighted music over file sharing networks.
An anonymous broadband user forwarded one such email to TheRegister and the letter indeed showed that the woman was being threatened with disconnection for the unauthorized sharing of "Biology" by Girls Aloud. The sharing occurred using the file sharing program Ares in May and she received the letter this week.

Geoff Taylor, the chief of UK record industry trade body the BPI said in a statement, "Establishing partnerships with ISPs is the number one issue for the BPI, and we are beginning to form positive working relationships with BT, Virgin Media and most of the other major ISPs."

It was still unclear whether BT has signed on to the so-called "three strikes" procedure agreed upon by the record industry and the government. Accused users will get two warnings for infringing music copyright and the third strike will be disconnection from the Internet.

Taylor added, "Everyone agrees on where we need to be, and we are working closely with our colleagues across the music community, the more progressive ISPs, and government to get us there."

BT did not comment but did say if the BPI provides evidence against BT broadband customers, those customers can expect similar threatening letters.

You can read the full BT letter here.

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29 user comments

128.6.2008 16:27
varnull
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But do they have any hard proof? I get one of these and they will find out about privacy laws and citizens rights.

I hope she gets a damn good lawyer and throws some of this stuff back in their faces. Filesharing is not a criminal offence.. a search and seizure warrant can't be issued (unlike in the good old US of A) for an unproven civil misdemeanor.. It's an accusation, based on flawed methods and hearsay, and therefore inadmissable in a UK court. BT want to watch out or the civil and human rights people will start getting on to all the electronic spying that is going on here... You can't just accuse somebody and then punish them.. it's called due process and they better either issue court papers or shut the f--- up!!

Complain to your MP.. and the press and anybody else you can think of...




Open your eyes people.. the reality is here.

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228.6.2008 19:22
blueroad
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why da edited by ddp did you put this cross flag here? is it just me or is it racism i see!!

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328.6.2008 20:18
jrff
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@blueroad
Why don't you just edited by ddp.
You don't understand shit about racism. Go back to school to understand what racism is you edited by ddp.

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428.6.2008 20:38

whoops this thread needs to be heavily moderated

528.6.2008 20:39

Originally posted by blueroad:
why da edited by ddp did you put this cross flag here? is it just me or is it racism i see!!
Critical thinking skills do you haz them?

NAzisim was more about complete control over the populace using national pride and fear as the engine and race/creed isim's as the fuel.

Instead of race/creed we have corporate entities telling government what the people may do.
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628.6.2008 20:39

I shouldn't speak for Varnull, but what I think he was trying to convey is government doing things that are immoral and wrong. It is a poor analogy at best. But, how would racism fit possibly into the content of this thread?

728.6.2008 20:42

Originally posted by Run4two:
I shouldn't speak for Varnull, but what I think he was trying to convey is government doing things that are immoral and wrong. It is a poor analogy at best. But, how would racism fit possibly into the content of this thread?
Looking at the hyper PC,social,communistic approach gov is going in its not that bad of an analogy.

828.6.2008 21:10

jrff, you just got a 2 week ban for that stunt. all other posts edited due to language.

928.6.2008 21:23

lol was about to post with something rather snippy
but it seems to have already ran its course as a clusterf*ck =)

nice work varnull, btw, agree completely.

1028.6.2008 22:10

Nice post Varnull.

Glad to see ddp cleaned up a bit from the un-edited version i viewed earlier.

As stated in so many places already, the actual act of infringement (based on P2P sharing) is extremely difficult to prove. Hopefully, that's on her side.

1129.6.2008 1:10

Good god, leave it to some newbie to troll the boards with the racism card and then people end up getting banned. Sigh..

1229.6.2008 3:39

If this policy does become the norm wouldn’t it be simply to stop your ISP provider from seeing what you’re downloading by putting all torrents in Zip files? Yes they can see what sites you’re visiting and how much bandwidth your using ete etc but they wouldn’t be able to see what’s in the file until it’s been unzipped which can only be done after you’ve downloaded it and unzipped it your self?

1329.6.2008 4:49
nobrainer
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Originally posted by killalot:
If this policy does become the norm wouldn’t it be simply to stop your ISP provider from seeing what you’re downloading by putting all torrents in Zip files? Yes they can see what sites you’re visiting and how much bandwidth your using ete etc but they wouldn’t be able to see what’s in the file until it’s been unzipped which can only be done after you’ve downloaded it and unzipped it your self?
Q. what is deep packet inspection? A vpn or encrypted proxy is the way but many ISP's in the uk are throttling this to death.

its about spying on us all just as they have done for years with our telephone conversations and piracy is the fear tactic used to implement deep packet inspection across the board. Just as Madeleine McCann will be used to make sun readers accept rfid chips in their kids.

you do realise that the Australians have spied on the usa, the usa spy's on the uk and the uk spy's on Australia phone conversations and share the data with each other using private companies that are not bound by laws governing our leaders and they have done for many years. This is just what's happening to the internet but encryption and autonomous proxies are the forward until the are deemed terrorist activity.

Its fear and control.

U.S. and Europe Near Agreement on Private Data

Originally posted by link:
The United States and the European Union are nearing completion of an agreement allowing law enforcement and security agencies to obtain private information — like credit card transactions, travel histories and Internet browsing habits — about people on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.
they can sell our data back to us that our government is not allowed to access i mean wtf!

it sounds to me like they are compiling lists of ppl to send to the new warsaw ghetto or them fima prisons popping up all over the USA or are they one in the same?

The world is becoming a police state and the fear of terrorism, piracy and paedophiles is what is use to control and monitor us now as religion is no longer working.




Police State Britain "clickage"
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1429.6.2008 7:28
blueroad
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ok it was late and i see i may hav exxagerrated a bit..but still i think its a poor analogy at best as one said before me..you dont go using that accursed cross just like that..the analogy doesnt fit by a longshot to what you were reffering..and to the guy that said "trust it to some newb to play the racism card" i have a few things to say to you..some less immature and i rather not get banned for it as your not worth it..but dont act as if him using the nazi symbol in an analogy to capitalism or whatever that was is plain OK..you dont know what your talking about..god how i wish flaming wasnt forbidden..

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1529.6.2008 10:01
atomicxl
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Originally posted by blueroad:
ok it was late and i see i may hav exxagerrated a bit..but still i think its a poor analogy at best as one said before me..you dont go using that accursed cross just like that..the analogy doesnt fit by a longshot to what you were reffering..
Really though every post has been a long shot and doesn't fit. The ISP basically said they report thieves, not we want to rule the world or we want to stop you from having life, liberty (I don't think too many countries have a "Right to Steal") or the pursuit of happiness (well, as long as your happiness doesn't come from theft).

I don't have any issue with this. Someone breaks into my house and robs me, I want them punished PAST the maximum extent of the law. It shouldn't be a shock that billion dollar companies feel the same way about theft.

1629.6.2008 10:40
nobrainer
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@ atomicxl

the scare scaremongering about piracy is being used to employ deep packet inspection which is the end goal. just as the [sarcasm]continual [/sarcasm] terrorist attacks have destroyed all our civil liberties in mostly ever country on this planet.

welcome to the new world order.

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1729.6.2008 12:36

Hopefully the people will open there eye's and say no.see what is a county without people, its a really big island full of natives.

in 20 to 30 years i see another Civil war taking place. and in 7-12 years i see another great depression. America's economy is like a line of domino's.

people dont like to see it but, outsourcing almost 88% of are goods is bad. if we piss of the wrong countries, its back to the mines the steel mills.

UK has always almost followed America's footsteps in one way or another.

1829.6.2008 12:43

Shite they’ve killed Santa the basta*** how am I going to tell the daughter!

1929.6.2008 13:06

Nazis are basically about 3 things
1.draconian order
2.death camps
3.racism/creedisim



The draconian order can be brought up time and time again as examples of governmental and corporate greed and stupidity.

death camps and the assault on jews are 2ndry IMO, without the strict and stern leadership they would never be organized to the point they were and be another despot regime (that was legally elected by its people) that imploded on itself.

2029.6.2008 14:31
nobrainer
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Originally posted by killalot:
Shite they’ve killed Santa the basta*** how am I going to tell the daughter!
it was a reference to Charles de Menezes who was murdered by the uk police force, who then went on to lie to the British public about the murder time and again, and were found to be the liars that the uk police and government are, regardless of the pressure we have yet to get a public enquiry because they couldn't get the label "terrorist" to stick but hey if only they would have just maimed him, they could have waterboarded him for 2 years until he caved in and signed any statement that was put in front of him to get the torture to stop.

Jean Charles de Menezes Wiki

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2129.6.2008 15:37

First the countries install fear, i.e. Terrorism, and there goes all civil liberties, after all, they are trying to 'protect' us.

2229.6.2008 21:25

DXR88, the uk only followed the us lead after the end of ww2 & the breakup of the british empire.

2329.6.2008 23:02

Originally posted by ddp:
DXR88, the uk only followed the us lead after the end of ww2 & the breakup of the british empire.
it was also around the time we started to become dependent on foreign goods but your right. all i can say is this ether the government steps up and says:whoa who's in charge here. and knocks the Major corperations back down...or the corporations will start to feed on an already weakened US dollar ruining the us economy further...by that point people will be concerned and ask questions...Radicals may spawn from these questions.

the government wont do anything against this not unless those bills signed and past under the table, take control away from government.

just like the tobacco industry, the Oil Industry, And the Drug Industry. the government will continue to ignore what is being done by these people

2430.6.2008 2:15

The thing with the natzi's was that they ruled with supreme power and thought that their way, Adolf Hitlers way or the german way, was the correct way. They thought that jews, gypsis, and most other people were not worthy to be breathing the same air as they were, and considered them to be filthy sinners and he needed to clense the world of them. (Ironic part, some think his mother was part jewish)
So back to point, kind of I agree with varnull and that flag. Almost all countries are trying to ban all these filesharing people because they believe they, the file sharers, are wrong. Some will argue it's against the law, well in natzi days if you were jewish you were detained to a detention camp, that was the law.
I'm not sure how to make my point because I'm an idiot.........
But basically the natzis thought they were right and banished the "evil" from the earth. Now governments think that fileshares are evil and are trying to banish them from the world

2530.6.2008 2:18

Originally posted by lawndog:
The thing with the natzi's was that they ruled with supreme power and thought that their way, Adolf Hitlers way or the german way, was the correct way. They thought that jews, gypsis, and most other people were not worthy to be breathing the same air as they were, and considered them to be filthy sinners and he needed to clense the world of them. (Ironic part, some think his mother was part jewish)
So back to point, kind of I agree with varnull and that flag. Almost all countries are trying to ban all these filesharing people because they believe they, the file sharers, are wrong. Some will argue it's against the law, well in natzi days if you were jewish you were detained to a detention camp, that was the law.
I'm not sure how to make my point because I'm an idiot.........
But basically the natzis thought they were right and banished the "evil" from the earth. Now governments think that fileshares are evil and are trying to banish them from the world
actually the argument is the media corporations and the government 2ndly are right period FO$EVER!
LOL

2630.6.2008 2:36

ya what he said

2730.6.2008 15:33
lynchGOP
Inactive

Let's try and keep these posts 'short N' sweet'............they're funnier that way.

Anyway.............3 attempts huh?
My thought process leads me to think "what are the chances of getting caught the first time..............EVEN MORE, what are the chances of getting caught the 2nd. As for the third IMPOSSIBLE"

It's laws like these that make me WANT TO STEAL in order to show them a 'what-for' and to teach them a lesson.

284.7.2008 9:29

BT are the biggest ****bags going, everyone should kick em out and sign up to talktalk which is half the cost of BT and no hassle.

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299.7.2008 10:35

I must have missed a good one by going through this one late! Rats!

killalot, that will not help much. You would need to re do all the torrents and for what? You can encrypt your flows which is a setting in most clients. That makes it difficult to police. If you do not encrypt there is software that can log every thing you do. The log will contain the file anme and content, the size the start and stop times. Cox was doing the 3 strikes in the US, now they have joined Comcast in the illegal 'wack-a-doolle' method. I know several users that have seen their report in a cease and desist notice from Cox. I contained everything they did that month. The 'wack-a-doolle'method is both simple and effective as well as illegal in the US. That involves having a robot app that attackes you if you are too greedy. It may not care what you are down loading. It may log what sites you visit and lay off if you are only going to sites that have legal stuff. I suspect the too greedy quanity is a movable mark, maybe it attacks the top 5% or 1%. The app can 'blow you out of the water'. There is really no stopping it because it can disrupt your router as a last resort. You can reset your router but you are dealing with a robot app that can blow your router every minute if it 'wants to'. It can also cripple or crash torrent clients. Most users get worn down and go along with the program. That is what you in the UK need to worry about. The app is called Sandvines. You can google it if you want to read more. It is very impressive.

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