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EA loosens up a bit on Red Alert 3 DRM

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 09 Sep 2008 18:22 User comments (44)

EA loosens up a bit on Red Alert 3 DRM Yesterday we reported that Amazon users were rating Spore poorly under user reviews due to EA's crippling SecuROM DRM. As of writing, there were 1700 1-star ratings for the game on Amazon, with most if not all reviews citing the DRM as the only reason for the low score.
The SecuROM DRM only allows three installs of the game and it appears that although the game has only been out for a few days some users have already used up their installs for various reasons (computer crashed and needed reformatting anyone?)

In an apparent reaction to the headlines, EA has posted that they have loosened up the DRM for their upcoming game Red Alert 3 although it will still have SecuROM.

Executive producer Chris Corry posted that this time the SecuROM will allow for up to 5 activations, a slight upgrade from Spore's 3. You will also only need to authenticate the game online once, on initial launch and never again. "In other words, no reaching out to a central server post-install to see if you're 'allowed' to play," Corry wrote.

Corry also pleaded with users to look past the DRM and to buy the game for the game. "I think it would be a shame if people decided to not play a great game simply because it came with DRM, but I understand that this is a very personal decision for many of you and I respect that," he added. "As you might imagine, I'm a lot less respectful of those people who take the position that they will illegally download a game simply because it has DRM. Either way, we're very proud of the hard work our team has put into this game and we hope you will all enjoy it when it launches."

Red Alert 3 is set for release on October 27th, lets see if it fares better than Spore has on Amazon.

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44 user comments

19.9.2008 19:35
oappi
Inactive

Im glad i already decided not to buy more ea games since kanes wraths online activation bs (already taken over month and still not working). I do understand ppl who download game because of the drm, but im not going to do that my self. It is bs that those who download it illeagaly get better copy. So for most teenagers it is the queston of paying for bad copy or get better one for free without online expirience. Then again i bought the game and havent been able to play online so...

Not long a go ea was saying that customers shouldnt be threated as criminals but it seems "their actions betray their words" (or something like that) -kane. I wonder what happened to that. Im all the way steam for now on. It is not perfect, but i can live with it unlike eaīs crap. i would say that pros of steam make up all the cons.

29.9.2008 20:14
13thHouR
Inactive

This is really getting beyond a joke.

Can they use the line "if you're not doing anything wrong" with this type of DRM?

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39.9.2008 20:14

Quote:
"As you might imagine, I'm a lot less respectful of those people who take the position that they will illegally download a game simply because it has DRM.

as you might imagine, i have no intention of paying my hard earned money for your DRM ruined hard work.
respect is hard to earn and you just lost all mine!
thank you and goodnight.

49.9.2008 20:42

I like getting my games on ebay, So I would buy it from some one, then they take that money and buy more games. So now no-one gets any fat money in there pocket. So sad. I like red alert games got them all from ebay.

59.9.2008 21:13

The Red Alert Series (and the C&C series in general) has always intrigued me. However, I don't think I will be buying RA3 simply due to the DRM. If I am paying $50 for a game I expect to own it for personal use, not rent it.

Also, as EA should have noticed, DRM doesn't stop piracy, it never has (for long) nor will it. Spore is perfect proof of this as it was leaked four days before release with its DRM removed.

69.9.2008 22:22

I don't know what they are worried about, ever try to sell your used PC games at Gamestop? Ain't happening.

79.9.2008 22:39

So in other words, what theyre saying is...they will still pound you from behind, only now they will keep the lube within eyesight. They won't use it..but it will be there for you to imagine what it would be like if they DID use it.

Guess I know how I'm going to "acquire" the game now.

Incompetent boobs. All of them.

89.9.2008 23:06
david89
Inactive

this is why i stopped buying pc games and i moved on console gaming much better and i hope people keep giving it low score because of it will teach them a lesson that they can't just do the customer any old way that they want do us.

99.9.2008 23:11

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Corry also pleaded with users to look past the DRM and to buy the game for the game. "I think it would be a shame if people decided to not play a great game simply because it came with DRM

It may have been a great game, but the DRM ruined it. That's what they don't get. As long as they insist on DRM then all EA games will be acquired by other means. Therefore choke holding their money train. They will eventually have to lean in our favor or go out of business. It's that simple.

1010.9.2008 0:15

Originally posted by david89:
this is why i stopped buying pc games and i moved on console gaming much better and i hope people keep giving it low score because of it will teach them a lesson that they can't just do the customer any old way that they want do us.
Moving to a console from a high end pc rig is the worst thing you could do. Shell out mega bucks for a ps3 with only a handful of games..or an xbox which will rrod on you and leave you hanging for weeks. If something goes wrong with your pc otoh, trot down to the pc shop and replace whatever part you need. Good luck doing that with an Xbox.

Besides, 24 inch HDTV monitors are cheap now. I got a westinghouse for 329 and a mouse/kb setup is far superior for games like GTAIV, Fear and Diablo 3..especially in 1920x1200 (i.e. better than 1080p)

1110.9.2008 1:01
llongtheD
Inactive

I generally reformat my PC 2 times a year, so after a year and a half (3 activations) I can't use it? I wouldn't even consider buying this title because of that. The DRM, or could be expained another way, "EXCESSIVE GREED" is forcing people to buy the same title many times in a shorter period than the new format bullshit. EA, you should be ashamed of yourselves. The way you treat your PAYING customers. I can only hope we'll be reading about your impending bankruptcy, because of the lack of respect for your customers.
I think your customers see it as a lack of respect for them, and not a lack of respect for your work.

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If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.

1210.9.2008 2:54

No.

Not good enough.

I will not buy, rent or play this game, or any other that has spyware in it. I'm not going to phone home every time I put in a new hard drive.

It's the 21st Century. This business model FAILED in the 20th and should be dead.

1310.9.2008 6:19
13thHouR
Inactive

Originally posted by thor999:
I don't know what they are worried about, ever try to sell your used PC games at Gamestop? Ain't happening.
Ah the rip off that is gamestop & game acts the same in the UK. these shops are best avoided

Play in order! Zero Originality Episode 1-1 was removed from youtube but is mirrored at the gametrailers link. DMCA, there to protect copy-write of corporations?

1: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/263243.html

2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byJSoWl476I

3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ej2dUvsz8E

You are now blocked from resale thanks to the DRM.
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1410.9.2008 7:09

Originally posted by mspurloc:
No.

Not good enough.

I will not buy, rent or play this game, or any other that has spyware in it. I'm not going to phone home every time I put in a new hard drive.

It's the 21st Century. This business model FAILED in the 20th and should be dead.

Same here. And now they are renting that game, so should that price be much lower?

I usual buy my games, but games with StarForce or SecuROM... well lets just say its good to know there are torrent sites where I can find versions without malwares in them.
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1510.9.2008 8:05
oappi
Inactive

i have bought all the command and conquer games (including sole survivor) most as new (excluding sole survivor) but after the hours i put to get online game working i think i will pass.. Untill online registeration returns to way it was in red alert 2 and remove any installation restriction they wont see any of my money.

I simply cannot understand why they are screwing with their customers if piratism is already big issue. Insted of drm they should give something to people who buy real copy and not take things away.

1610.9.2008 11:16

LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.

Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.

You still pay and you still play!

1710.9.2008 12:30

Originally posted by ikari:
Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.

You still pay and you still play!
One of the smartest comments on this thread. All you lose is Chris Corry's respect...lol.

I think it's possible that a large number of the negative Amazon reviews/comments are from people who either:

1)do not have the know-how to obtain a free copy and are genuinely pissed
or
2)will not obtain a free copy due to personal beliefs and are genuinely pissed

Then there is the number of people who heard about this and decided to jump on the bandwagon of negative reviews and use Amazon to voice their hatred towards DRM. Either way, the people have spoken. I hate DRM too, and I am not above buying the game and then downloading a copy if it came to a game that I really liked. I don't know anything about this game, but I've read a lot of reviews where people enjoyed the game but still gave it 1 star due solely to the DRM. I agree with this as being a great way to let EA know what the customer wants. But I can't agree that DRM ruined the game. IMO, DRM ruined EA's reputation. I also wouldn't say that excessive DRM is a result of greed or "EXCESSIVE GREED" as someone put it. It's more a result of stupidity. Like any company, they want to sell what they make and turn a profit. It's stupid of them to not understand how to sell to people, and to spend money continuing to employing a tactic that 1)doesn't work in preventing "piracy" and at the same time 2)pisses legitimate customers off.

What does DRM accomplish? People who buy games and hate the new DRM will probably buy less games crippled with that specific DRM. Or lose trust and loyalty to a specific developer. They may not necessarily research ways to obtain a free copy. They may just decide to avoid the developers future releases. People who wouldn't buy the game either way will find a cracked copy. And DRM costs money to implement.

It will be a sad day when you can't re-sell games. That's the only way I can afford my gaming.

1810.9.2008 12:50
varnull
Inactive

Originally posted by ikari:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.

Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.

You still pay and you still play!
Talking through your ass I see.. Why buy the lesser product? Why pay them at all??

People don't want to pay for something which calls them a thief and a pirate and is stuffed full of DRM causing it to have no resale value.

The music business is dead because of this business model, the movie industry will follow it, and the gaming industry.. is there a gaming industry or a bunch of thieves dictating to you?

The con trick that is PC gaming is being seen through.. every year upgrade or don't play.. DX10.. it's a lie.. it doesn't exist! It is coded in to force people to buy vista..

Death to DRM.. the consumer doesn't want it, and companies who try to force things on consumers who don't want them go bankrupt pretty darn quick! Good riddance to them too.

1910.9.2008 13:31

Originally posted by ikari:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.

Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.

You still pay and you still play!
Yeah, with about 20% of the proceeds going to fund the next exciting edition of SecuROM. It's like saying that you'll hire a hooker but only have oral sex with her and say to your wife that you didnt have "real" sex.

Buying a game with SecuROM and then using a crack is like curing the disease by killing the patient. All youre doing is making things worse for everybody in the long run, since further editions of SecuROM will be even more Draconian...insert right hand into torture box (i.e. Dune) for authentication sir!.

2010.9.2008 13:34

This is a terrible story for 2 parties - legitimate users who simply wanted to play Spore and couldn't because the activation servers went down and EA because Spore was cracked even before it was released.

Often developers walk a tightrope with the trade off between protection strength and the degree of impact on legitimate users but this was a failure on both dimensions! Is this really what the publisher wants to 'accomplish'? Why not use a solution which is friendly to honest users, has no impact on development time and the strongest available protection against crackers - see the whitepaper "Is Anti-Piracy/DRM the Cure or the Disease for PC Games?" which can be downloaded here http://www.byteshield.net/byteshield_whitepaper_0005.pdf.

2110.9.2008 14:56

Originally posted by varnull:


Talking through your ass I see.. Why buy the lesser product? Why pay them at all??

People don't want to pay for something which calls them a thief and a pirate and is stuffed full of DRM causing it to have no resale value.

The music business is dead because of this business model, the movie industry will follow it, and the gaming industry.. is there a gaming industry or a bunch of thieves dictating to you?

The con trick that is PC gaming is being seen through.. every year upgrade or don't play.. DX10.. it's a lie.. it doesn't exist! It is coded in to force people to buy vista..

Death to DRM.. the consumer doesn't want it, and companies who try to force things on consumers who don't want them go bankrupt pretty darn quick! Good riddance to them too.
It is strange, I normally agree with you on a lot of things, but what the heck is up with the attitude? Your post have become very insulting, regardless of what was said or who said it. Seriously, why the negative attacks on people posting? I could care less about the companies you insult but do you really have to insult me? It is fine to be angry about a situation, but insulting people when you try to convience them of your point of view doesn't work. No offense, but it is childish and I wouldn't expect this from a senior member of the forum. Especially, since you are one of the people I respect on this forum.

Besides, if you don't like the game you don't have to buy it. No one told me to go buy Red Alert 3 and honestly I won't because I grown tired of RTS games for the moments. I am more of a console person now anyways. The only PC game I play is Urban Terror (which is free). For all that play UT, I am Frank:Warrior/Medic .

@wingsong - lol, you are proof the observation that I made. You would download it anyways. It wasn't the DRM, you didn't want to pay for the game in the first place. There is a difference.

2210.9.2008 15:09
oappi
Inactive

it think best way to show ea this is wrong is just not to buy the game or "acquire" it from torrent sites. Just protest it by not playing and they will know. People who decides these thigs are mostlikely on crack (or something like that) and will think they failed because of piracy. Then securom etc will offer yet another disasterious drm that "canīt be broken".

EA isnīt (yet) only one making games. So go for something else... as i already wrote steam is good alternative. You wont get physical copy of the game, but then again you dont have to search your room to find your serial key and cd you havent seen in 5 years. Games are usualy one click away (unless your internet is down then you cannot download them). Downside is that you cannot sell your games (unless you sell your whole account). Then again oldgames are prized quite right in steam some oldies are $5 and gta serie (excluding versions not released on pc) is only $44 (5 games // 2 of them are free but cannot be downloaded on steam unless "bought").

2310.9.2008 16:23

Originally posted by emugamer:
... I can't agree that DRM ruined the game. IMO, DRM ruined EA's reputation.

Erm... when securom decides that it won't let you run the game because you have 2 dvd writers in your rig, then it does ruin the game. But you're right, it doesn't help EA's rep whatsoever. :)

2410.9.2008 18:27

Quote:
Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.


by posting your comment you did not make an observation, you made an ACCUSATION that everyone who had posted was a liar and a thief!
you deserved every word of varnull's comeback IMO and more.
take your assumptions elsewhere if you don't like honest responses.

2510.9.2008 18:50

Quote:
Originally posted by david89:
this is why i stopped buying pc games and i moved on console gaming much better and i hope people keep giving it low score because of it will teach them a lesson that they can't just do the customer any old way that they want do us.
Moving to a console from a high end pc rig is the worst thing you could do. Shell out mega bucks for a ps3 with only a handful of games..or an xbox which will rrod on you and leave you hanging for weeks. If something goes wrong with your pc otoh, trot down to the pc shop and replace whatever part you need. Good luck doing that with an Xbox.

Besides, 24 inch HDTV monitors are cheap now. I got a westinghouse for 329 and a mouse/kb setup is far superior for games like GTAIV, Fear and Diablo 3..especially in 1920x1200 (i.e. better than 1080p)
High performance PC's are generally a pain in the ass to keep running at full quality, you don't have to worry about that with a console. Not saying pc's are bad I'm just saying everything has its ups and downs. Oh and you must have some pretty big hands to hold those games in ;)

And yes hdcp monitors are cheap and I use one with my ps3, getting hdmi to dvi adaptor beats shelling out 600 bucks for a low end lcd.

2611.9.2008 2:51

Originally posted by ikari:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.



This is the stance of the big companies : assuming everyone is a pirate out to steal software/movies/music.

Its not always the case. There are some instances where I will download something and never pay for it, and that's because its crappy or half-assed.
If I download something and I enjoy it, I will happily purchase it to keep the creators in business to keep releasing fine products. So don't be an idiot and assume the position of saying everyone who downloads is a thief.
In the case of Spore, I would love to support the makers, but I cannot support this amount of DRM. Its like paying for malware, IMO.

2711.9.2008 5:32
13thHouR
Inactive

Here is the game industry trying to pull the same tactics as the RIAA/MPAA, but seems sony is a huge part of the industry, from making and supplying the DRM (SecuROM), being a major game publisher and also making and dictating propertarian formats and also one of the largest manufacturers of all media hardware across the globe, and is one of the key members of the RIAA/MPAA it's probably no surprise to most that the tactics and thoughts from their companies filter across their businesses and adopted by other anti-consumer companies, and it's happening again with this DRM made by sony, but why, the answer is to kill off the second hand game market

well you all know that the RIAA/MPAA in the UK got in a paddy lately about mp3 players and format shifting stating they wanted a tax imposed on customers because of the loss of sales due to customers moving music instead of being forced, to purchase media per device. READ ME well what do you know, noe thanks to Sony's SecuROM they can employ the same tactics to PC games by forcing everyone to only purchase new titles, how long before these tactics are employed on consoles, as sony already own the patent to stop ppl from selling second hand games?

Pre-owned games market "damaging" single-player games - Braben

Quote:
David Braben, chairman of Frontier Developments, has revealed his belief that the pre-owned games market is "damaging" to single-player titles, and could be replaced by a legitimate rental market.

Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz, Braben explained how the second-hand market for games skewed sales results and suggested an alternative rental system, involving the supply of rental discs to retailers at no cost in exchange for a cut of a store's rental profits.
so they lose money from the sale of second hand games, they want to give rentals to game stores, and share profits to destroy the second hand game market what is sonys SecuROM DRM about exactly?

And this comes on the day that this research is released!


$60 Next Gen pricing still driving gamers to the bargain bin
Quote:
It's been two full years since the new next gen $60 price point was introduced to consumers, but new research shows it still hasn't caught on completely with gamers.

When the new $60 next gen video game price point was agreed upon by industry players back in the early days of the current console generation, watchers wondered how gamers would respond to the price hike.

Now two years later, it would appear many gamers are still hesitant to buy full price or limited edition collector's packages, preferring instead to wait it out until their favorite games reach used or bargain bin prices.
DONT LET THEM DESTROY THE SECOND HAND GAMES MARKET PPL
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 11 Sep 2008 @ 6:31

2811.9.2008 11:07

Quote:
Originally posted by ikari:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.



This is the stance of the big companies : assuming everyone is a pirate out to steal software/movies/music.

Its not always the case. There are some instances where I will download something and never pay for it, and that's because its crappy or half-assed.
If I download something and I enjoy it, I will happily purchase it to keep the creators in business to keep releasing fine products. So don't be an idiot and assume the position of saying everyone who downloads is a thief.
In the case of Spore, I would love to support the makers, but I cannot support this amount of DRM. Its like paying for malware, IMO.
LOL. Wow, really? My comment is calling people thieves, eh? Sounds like both you and DRokKer have a guilty conscience. Besides, by calling people thieves, I would be "calling a spade a spade". Who hasn't stolen something in their life? Make sure you read the entire comment and not take things out of context next time, please.

All I said was to be honest with your reasoning for doing it. Download all you want, I don't care and I won't/can't stop you. I was only making an observation.

Oh, subpopz you contridict yourself and prove my observation in one of your sentences. See if you can find it! ;-)

2911.9.2008 13:24

Originally posted by oappi:
i have bought all the command and conquer games (including sole survivor) most as new (excluding sole survivor) but after the hours i put to get online game working i think i will pass.. Untill online registeration returns to way it was in red alert 2 and remove any installation restriction they wont see any of my money.

I simply cannot understand why they are screwing with their customers if piratism is already big issue. Insted of drm they should give something to people who buy real copy and not take things away.
Completely agree. I own all of the Command & Conquer games for PC, and will unfortunately miss this one for fear of not being able to use it later. The 5 install limit is ridiculous. I have 6 computers in my household, and that doesn't account for a crash or simply a formatting of the hard drive. I don't care if it "phones home" 1 time to check to see if it's real, but to impose an install limit or to check it everytime you play is just stupid. If I bought it, then I own it. That's how it should be. EA can bite me if this is how they choose to be.

3011.9.2008 15:43

Quote:
Here is the game industry trying to pull the same tactics as the RIAA/MPAA, but seems sony is a huge part of the industry, from making and supplying the DRM (SecuROM), being a major game publisher and also making and dictating propertarian formats and also one of the largest manufacturers of all media hardware across the globe, and is one of the key members of the RIAA/MPAA it's probably no surprise to most that the tactics and thoughts from their companies filter across their businesses and adopted by other anti-consumer companies, and it's happening again with this DRM made by sony, but why, the answer is to kill off the second hand game market

well you all know that the RIAA/MPAA in the UK got in a paddy lately about mp3 players and format shifting stating they wanted a tax imposed on customers because of the loss of sales due to customers moving music instead of being forced, to purchase media per device. READ ME well what do you know, noe thanks to Sony's SecuROM they can employ the same tactics to PC games by forcing everyone to only purchase new titles, how long before these tactics are employed on consoles, as sony already own the patent to stop ppl from selling second hand games?

Pre-owned games market "damaging" single-player games - Braben
Quote:
David Braben, chairman of Frontier Developments, has revealed his belief that the pre-owned games market is "damaging" to single-player titles, and could be replaced by a legitimate rental market.

Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz, Braben explained how the second-hand market for games skewed sales results and suggested an alternative rental system, involving the supply of rental discs to retailers at no cost in exchange for a cut of a store's rental profits.
so they lose money from the sale of second hand games, they want to give rentals to game stores, and share profits to destroy the second hand game market what is sonys SecuROM DRM about exactly?

And this comes on the day that this research is released!


$60 Next Gen pricing still driving gamers to the bargain bin
Quote:
It's been two full years since the new next gen $60 price point was introduced to consumers, but new research shows it still hasn't caught on completely with gamers.

When the new $60 next gen video game price point was agreed upon by industry players back in the early days of the current console generation, watchers wondered how gamers would respond to the price hike.

Now two years later, it would appear many gamers are still hesitant to buy full price or limited edition collector's packages, preferring instead to wait it out until their favorite games reach used or bargain bin prices.
DONT LET THEM DESTROY THE SECOND HAND GAMES MARKET PPL
I'm one of those gamers that will not pay $60 for a game. Even if I could afford it, it's just ridiculous. I won't always buy used. Once in a while I find coupons or promotions, or my wife will throw me an online promotion that she finds and I'll knock of $30. Funny, instead of reacting to the customer in a positive way (like lowering the prices), they react in a way that would force the customer to pay their price. I wouldn't have wanted to rent Uncharted. I like having it in my collection, and I drew such satisfaction from it that I look forward to having time to play it again. And that's one I was able to score for $30. Funny how the quality of a game isn't factored into their sales. Because games like Uncharted and Heavenly Sword are not selling for much less used then they are new, even after a year or more since release. So some may decide that it's worth it to spend an extra $15 to buy new than to take a chance with your average Joe selling used with only 90% user feedback.

The whole game business model needs to change. I don't have the background or time to ponder how. All I know is that my wallet has a limit.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 11 Sep 2008 @ 15:48

3111.9.2008 15:59
oappi
Inactive

yep i just loved westwood. Now only can i APRISIATE westwood for not beeing so greedy. I mean we got like two disks and both were good for online play. Which was really cool since i had more than 2 computers and it was a blast to play the game online or lan with one copy. Not like today you would have to get two +$50 games even for lan playing.

Well ra3 looked like crap anyway. story seemed like someone thought it in few seconds after been asked how can we get money with red alert series. Or what do you think? Allied had time device in first two and now suddenly soviets have one too. That doesnīt sound very creative to me.

3211.9.2008 18:57

Quote:
All I said was to be honest with your reasoning for doing it.

pah! now your back tracking! what you said was,,
Quote:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.

Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.

You still pay and you still play!

now you further your accusations by ASSUMING i have a guilty conscience. guilt is for the uneducated sheeple.
as for your solution its laughable, if someone was to follow your advice they could end up facing a hefty fine from the vampires that you obviously are supporting with you reactionary comments.
if you buy the game and also download it. then your ISP see fit to reveal you downloaded it to RIAA/MPAA or other scumbags, they could sue you for 1000's. your only defence would be, but i own the game! they would say either you bought it after we caught you, or why did you download it if you owned it!
i suspect that telling them some divvi on afterdawn told you it was the way to not be a thief, would not be your best defence!

3311.9.2008 21:39

Originally posted by DRokKer:
Quote:
All I said was to be honest with your reasoning for doing it.

pah! now your back tracking! what you said was,,
Quote:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.

Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.

You still pay and you still play!

now you further your accusations by ASSUMING i have a guilty conscience. guilt is for the uneducated sheeple.
as for your solution its laughable, if someone was to follow your advice they could end up facing a hefty fine from the vampires that you obviously are supporting with you reactionary comments.
if you buy the game and also download it. then your ISP see fit to reveal you downloaded it to RIAA/MPAA or other scumbags, they could sue you for 1000's. your only defence would be, but i own the game! they would say either you bought it after we caught you, or why did you download it if you owned it!
i suspect that telling them some divvi on afterdawn told you it was the way to not be a thief, would not be your best defence!
LOL. Please read my whole post a few times before you post back. You seem to take things I say out of context. I think you missed the point I was trying to make. My point was: people that were/are going to download it (regardless of the DRM issue) are using the "terrible DRM" as a way to justify the download.

Maybe was was a little out of line for say you sound like you have a guilty conscience, for that I am sorry. However, one can't help to assume since you took such high offense to the comment.

Did you read what you wrote? Do you understand what I said in my original post? If you did, you would know that your counter argument makes no sense. Not once did I bring legality into the conversation. Even if I did, if I had to only choose from my solution and just downloading the game, I would rather take my solution any day. At least I would have a snowballs chance in heck of winning by having an actual copy of the game.

My solution was a way to get around the DRM while still paying for the game. Heck you depending on the game, you might not even have to download the whole game. There might be a registry hack or .exe hack.

I would like to hear your response. This is turning out to be a great conversation.

These opinions are not meant to start a stupid fanboy fight or any kind of fight for that matter.

3412.9.2008 13:17
oappi
Inactive

Originally posted by ikari:
Originally posted by DRokKer:
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All I said was to be honest with your reasoning for doing it.

pah! now your back tracking! what you said was,,
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LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:

I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.

Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.

Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.

You still pay and you still play!

now you further your accusations by ASSUMING i have a guilty conscience. guilt is for the uneducated sheeple.
as for your solution its laughable, if someone was to follow your advice they could end up facing a hefty fine from the vampires that you obviously are supporting with you reactionary comments.
if you buy the game and also download it. then your ISP see fit to reveal you downloaded it to RIAA/MPAA or other scumbags, they could sue you for 1000's. your only defence would be, but i own the game! they would say either you bought it after we caught you, or why did you download it if you owned it!
i suspect that telling them some divvi on afterdawn told you it was the way to not be a thief, would not be your best defence!
LOL. Please read my whole post a few times before you post back. You seem to take things I say out of context. I think you missed the point I was trying to make. My point was: people that were/are going to download it (regardless of the DRM issue) are using the "terrible DRM" as a way to justify the download.

Maybe was was a little out of line for say you sound like you have a guilty conscience, for that I am sorry. However, one can't help to assume since you took such high offense to the comment.

Did you read what you wrote? Do you understand what I said in my original post? If you did, you would know that your counter argument makes no sense. Not once did I bring legality into the conversation. Even if I did, if I had to only choose from my solution and just downloading the game, I would rather take my solution any day. At least I would have a snowballs chance in heck of winning by having an actual copy of the game.

My solution was a way to get around the DRM while still paying for the game. Heck you depending on the game, you might not even have to download the whole game. There might be a registry hack or .exe hack.

I would like to hear your response. This is turning out to be a great conversation.
Problem with your idea is that if everybody bought the game with that crappy drm they would not know how you felt about that drm. Like i wrote donīt play/buy the game.

3512.9.2008 14:24

apology accepted. i don't take exception to all of your points, just being referred to as a thief. i infact concur with some points, for example,
i downloaded stalker, tried it and liked it enough to go out and buy it.
i bought GTL but because the shite starforce protection screws my pc up i also downloaded the torrent and no dvd hack,
i own GTR2 but because i use it weekly and fear the DVD getting scratched beyond use i use the no DVD patch. the company that published those driving games has folded so i would not be able to get a replacement disc.
none of these things make me a thief, but in the eyes of the present legal system i could be found guilty of copyright infringement.
my upset at your original post probably stems from that potential situation. i suppose i feel it backs the status quo with regard to copyright laws, so felt the need to address it.
no hard feelings here, i too like a good chin wag.

3612.9.2008 15:36

Originally posted by 13thHouR:
This is really getting beyond a joke.

Can they use the line "if you're not doing anything wrong" with this type of DRM?
This is a fake message, it has nothing to do with R-Force or Myself

3712.9.2008 15:42

Originally posted by 13thHouR:
Originally posted by thor999:
I don't know what they are worried about, ever try to sell your used PC games at Gamestop? Ain't happening.
Ah the rip off that is gamestop & game acts the same in the UK. these shops are best avoided

Play in order! Zero Originality Episode 1-1 was removed from youtube but is mirrored at the gametrailers link. DMCA, there to protect copy-write of corporations?

1: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/263243.html

2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byJSoWl476I

3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ej2dUvsz8E

You are now blocked from resale thanks to the DRM.

This is a fake message, it has nothing to do with R-Force.org or Myself. My previous account has been compromised and this rubbish is being posted using my name.

I do Find it interesting that Byteshield are posting their spiel on the same forums threads that this keeps happening on.

For those that don't know I have just challenged byte shield over their unsolicited spamming of forums and over inflated claims about their so called new DRM.

3812.9.2008 15:50

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Here is the game industry trying to pull the same tactics as the RIAA/MPAA, but seems sony is a huge part of the industry, from making and supplying the DRM (SecuROM), being a major game publisher and also making and dictating propertarian formats and also one of the largest manufacturers of all media hardware across the globe, and is one of the key members of the RIAA/MPAA it's probably no surprise to most that the tactics and thoughts from their companies filter across their businesses and adopted by other anti-consumer companies, and it's happening again with this DRM made by sony, but why, the answer is to kill off the second hand game market

well you all know that the RIAA/MPAA in the UK got in a paddy lately about mp3 players and format shifting stating they wanted a tax imposed on customers because of the loss of sales due to customers moving music instead of being forced, to purchase media per device. READ ME well what do you know, noe thanks to Sony's SecuROM they can employ the same tactics to PC games by forcing everyone to only purchase new titles, how long before these tactics are employed on consoles, as sony already own the patent to stop ppl from selling second hand games?

Pre-owned games market "damaging" single-player games - Braben
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David Braben, chairman of Frontier Developments, has revealed his belief that the pre-owned games market is "damaging" to single-player titles, and could be replaced by a legitimate rental market.

Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz, Braben explained how the second-hand market for games skewed sales results and suggested an alternative rental system, involving the supply of rental discs to retailers at no cost in exchange for a cut of a store's rental profits.
so they lose money from the sale of second hand games, they want to give rentals to game stores, and share profits to destroy the second hand game market what is sonys SecuROM DRM about exactly?

And this comes on the day that this research is released!


$60 Next Gen pricing still driving gamers to the bargain bin
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It's been two full years since the new next gen $60 price point was introduced to consumers, but new research shows it still hasn't caught on completely with gamers.

When the new $60 next gen video game price point was agreed upon by industry players back in the early days of the current console generation, watchers wondered how gamers would respond to the price hike.

Now two years later, it would appear many gamers are still hesitant to buy full price or limited edition collector's packages, preferring instead to wait it out until their favorite games reach used or bargain bin prices.
DONT LET THEM DESTROY THE SECOND HAND GAMES MARKET PPL
This is a Fake post, it is nothing to do with R-Force.org or myself.

Somebody has compromised accounts here and has been going through adding contect or editing out others.

I do not endorse these comments about killing off the second hand games market. I never posted this content in this thread

3912.9.2008 16:16

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Corry also pleaded with users to look past the DRM and to buy the game for the game. "I think it would be a shame if people decided to not play a great game simply because it came with DRM, but I understand that this is a very personal decision for many of you and I respect that," he added. "As you might imagine, I'm a lot less respectful of those people who take the position that they will illegally download a game simply because it has DRM. Either way, we're very proud of the hard work our team has put into this game and we hope you will all enjoy it when it launches."
As you might imagine, I'm a lot less respectful of people who strongly support DRM.

4012.9.2008 17:52

Originally posted by DRokKer:
apology accepted....no hard feelings here, i too like a good chin wag.
Cool. I wasn't trying to peeve anyone off. The situation you describe makes sense. It was a fun conversation. Can't wait for the next one. :-) Have a good weekend!

4113.9.2008 7:44
13thHouR
Inactive

Well, here is an interesting read.

Privately, Hollywood admits DRM isn't about piracy

Originally posted by Ken Fisher:
For almost ten years now I have argued that digital rights management has little to do with piracy, but that is instead a carefully plotted ruse to undercut fair use and then create new revenue streams where there were previously none. I will briefly repeat my argument here before relating a prime example of it in the wild.

In 1982, then-MPAA head Jack Valenti testified before the House of Representatives on the emerging phenomenon of VCR ownership. He famously said, "I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston Strangler is to the woman home alone." Valenti said this in response to a claim that the VCR would be the greatest friend the American film producer ever had. Valenti was vehement in his opposition to the idea that the VCR could be a good thing. He, and many in the industry, believed that it was fundamentally wrong to allow the public to make decisions for themselves about how to use a VCR. They even expressed worry that multiple people could watch the same movie on a VCR, but not all of them would have to pay. The idea of Joe User buying a movie for a fixed price and then inviting friends over to see it was anathema to the industry.
second hand game profit bypasses studios and their new DRM fixes this.

4217.9.2008 13:15
varnull
Inactive

Originally posted by ikari:
Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.
You got that right.. well half right.. I don't have any interest in buying, downloading or playing this pile of crap. I don't even use an operating system where it is possible to run it... because I am free and not a sheep.
Just because you are locked in with M$ and their bum buddies in the drm and pay or else world doesn't mean I have to be. FOSS pwns all you load of M$ babies.. and one day when you can't watch a film on your pc (legally downloaded) or listen to a music cd (legally bought in a shop) without getting out your credit card and paying for a license to watch/listen again you will realise how thoroughly you have been screwed over.

Get with the program.. or be locked in electronic and information Auschwitz.

4317.9.2008 18:08
onya
Inactive

In response to varnull's post (in part)
Getting locked into a "system" of obedience is one thing, but sooner or later, we will go quietly into the night... you know it! ... ya ain't gettin' away from it sometime soon.
When is the last time you bought a block of land and house? You OWN the house but you RENT the land! The wool has been over the eyes for so long, that we no longer question but accept. What's worse is that we know it and dare not to speak out to such things. You the consumer do have choices to make at every opportunity. What's the point in the purchase when you turn around only to shake your fist at the vendor? Why buy the game or movie in the first place? Stop enabling them. Your life will be just as productive without their product. You can win. As for sheep...well when the mantra rings out "repeat after me we are all individuals" the roar will deafen. The light is off for the masses and we need some f'ker to find it quick.lol

Almost done... what's that varnull said...

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....you will realise how thoroughly you have been screwed over.
The realisation could be that it simply makes many too uncomfortable to act. Human nature kicks in and makes us afraid to peer out of the abyss, in fear of getting our heads loped off. Isn't that part of the "crowd control device"?

4416.12.2008 22:32

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allow for up to 5 activations


What? We now have 5 installs?! Yaaaaay. GO EA!! A company doing right thing and helping everyone out..

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Corry also pleaded with users to look past the DRM and to buy the game for the game.
Of course. How could you ignore something like that.
*opens uTorrent*

Seriously though. Why the DRM? I really, really, really, want this game but don't want a computer loaded with spyware and DRM so EA can feel good about itself. Which brings my total of wanted-but-too-much-DRM games to 2 so far. And considering I generally never buy games till they're in the bargain bin, that's 2 new release games more than every other year.

Anyone know how much DRM is on this game? I have Alcohol (for legit purposes of course. Free software for students off MS website. Easier to mount than burn. lol) and VM-Ware installed and my DVD drive is a burner. Would this make my computer too "illegal" to run?

Thanks to anyone that can help,

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