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UK government to adopt 'three strikes' Internet piracy bill

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 28 Oct 2009 13:50 User comments (34)

UK government to adopt 'three strikes' Internet piracy bill Lord Mandelson has announced this week that the UK will in fact be adopting the highly controversial 'three strikes' Internet piracy law, disconnecting multiple time offenders from the Internet while levying heavy fines.
The government added that first time offenders will likely be given a warning, then have their bandwidth restricted after a second offense. Third strike means being disconnected from the Internet, or at least "considered" for disconnection given the crime.

The law will come into effect April 2010, says the Department for Business, Skills and Innovation. Ofcom will be in charge of monitoring the file-sharing of UK citizens.

UK ISP TalkTalk, a strong critic of the bill, came out swinging after the announcement: "What is being proposed is wrong in principle and won't work in practice. In the event we are instructed to impose extra judicial technical measures we will challenge the instruction in the courts."

When asked about the material losses for ISPs given disconnection from the Internet for their subscribers, Mandelson added: "I have no expectation of mass suspensions. People will receive two notifications and if it reaches the point [of cutting them off] they will have the opportunity to appeal."

Another staunch critic of the plan, the Internet Service Providers' Association believes that copyright holders should be in charge of all costs related to the system, and that ISPs should be reimbursed for all lost customers.

"This approach is consistent with the principle of beneficiary pays and would serve to incentivise rightsholders to develop new business models and ensure an effective and efficient use of notifications and targeted legal action,"
says the ISPA.

The Open Rights Group says the DarkNet is coming: "Even MI5 disagree with Mr Mandelson - they are convinced we will see a rise of a 'Dark Net' of infringers. Nobody at C&binet from an online music service, as opposed to an old media company, thought that peer-to-peer [file-sharing] was a threat to their businesses. Yet Mandelson seems determined to push forward with his plans for 'three strikes' - threatening to punish people extremely harshly, threatening their education, businesses and livelihoods for a relatively minor financial misdemeanour," says Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group.

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34 user comments

128.10.2009 14:25

If the intention of this legislation is to get people scared into spending more money on buying entertainment (Downloads, DVDs, CDs) and to make the legal system some money, only this last goal has a chance of succeeding. 'Legal' Entertainment is TOO expensive, that is the real problem.

228.10.2009 14:50
fgamer
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Look out U.S., this is on the way. Why do I have a feeling Obama who I supported will be pushing something like this soon here in the US? He's wayyy too buddy buddy with Hollywood, heck he has ex-MPAA people in his cabinet. If he even dares to support a 3 strikes law I may actually vote republican for the first time. The U.S. looks at other countries implementing this law, and then they look and say...why shouldn't we do it too! These ISP's should be more aggressive because they're the ones who'll lose out. If they had any sense they'd send mass emails and mailings to people to tell them the downside on this and act now.

328.10.2009 14:55

Originally posted by fgamer:
Look out U.S., this is on the way. Why do I have a feeling Obama who I supported will be pushing something like this soon here in the US? He's wayyy too buddy buddy with Hollywood, heck he has ex-MPAA people in his cabinet. If he even dares to support a 3 strikes law I may actually vote republican for the first time. The U.S. looks at other countries implementing this law, and then they look and say...why shouldn't we do it too! These ISP's should be more aggressive because they're the ones who'll lose out. If they had any sense they'd send mass emails and mailings to people to tell them the downside on this and act now.
if we can look for other countries models on Internet laws and apply them to us why can't we do it with health care?

anyways thats besides the point

I agree I think the ISP's will be hurting and ill vote republican as well if Obama passes this law. I don't think that will happen though.

428.10.2009 15:18

The people should ban together and find free "legal" sources of entertainment and make the entertainment industry suffer.

528.10.2009 15:34

Doesnt matter since the mullahs will take over the UK in 20 years anyway, and they will do the same. Guess if you value freedom you should move out of the UK!

628.10.2009 18:36

I wouldn't worry about this too much, it's unworkable for one, and for two it's just Mandy being a media-ho, the reason thing's wont happen properly until 2011 is because he won't have his job after a general election next year, he knows, we know it, all this is is him making sure he has friends to get into bed with once he's kicked out of government.... again! ;)

Incidentally, you guys (U.S) are getting net neutrality - and as far as I can tell that's obama's doing right? He can't be THAT bad when it comes to managing your interwebs?! :) Net neutrality won't happen over this side of the Atlantic... our retarded, money-grabbing politicians will see to that.

729.10.2009 1:47

Originally posted by EvilDeeds:
I wouldn't worry about this too much, it's unworkable for one, and for two it's just Mandy being a media-ho, the reason thing's wont happen properly until 2011 is because he won't have his job after a general election next year, he knows, we know it, all this is is him making sure he has friends to get into bed with once he's kicked out of government.... again! ;)
Agreed. This ain't gonna happen, it's just politicians kicking up dust. I'm not worried in the slightest.

Originally posted by EvilDeeds:
Incidentally, you guys (U.S) are getting net neutrality - and as far as I can tell that's obama's doing right? He can't be THAT bad when it comes to managing your interwebs?! :) Net neutrality won't happen over this side of the Atlantic... our retarded, money-grabbing politicians will see to that.
Um, yes it will...the EU are going to force it, apparently as part of human rights laws (?!). You can thank Tony Blair for that one.

829.10.2009 2:44

bring it i cant wait to get people banned off my Node, faster speeds for me.

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929.10.2009 3:13

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I agree I think the ISP's will be hurting and ill vote republican as well if Obama passes this law. I don't think that will happen though.
Why would you do that? The republicans and the democrats are both slaves of the media industry (as well as other big corporations). If you want a change, vote for a third party. Your candidate probably won't win, but at least when the government messes everything up, you can say "I didn't vote for that guy".

1029.10.2009 5:39
sj512
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1129.10.2009 7:39

sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.

1229.10.2009 8:38

Originally posted by siber:
sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.
I think he/she is saying that should this actually happen, then he/she will be downgrading his 50mb line (using Virgin Media I guess, since they are the only 50mb supplier here at the minute) to a 10mb line, which is the lowest line Virgin Media do.

Of course, without any grammar, punctuation or a coherent message, it's really up to interpretation!! :)

1329.10.2009 9:08

I wonder how long it'll take for people to start getting into trouble because wifi leeches are pirating things over their open connections. . .

1429.10.2009 9:21

maybe nobody has told Mr Meddlesome that there are many people in the UK that arent citizens (employers of the government), check it out on www.tpuc.org and I for one am not. Furthermore this statute only applys to persons and as I also not a person (although I have one) it doesnt affect me. Comments after you have researched it folks.

1529.10.2009 9:21

Has Mandy had another champagne lunch with David Geffen? I wonder how much Mandy's being paid by Geffen to introduce this Bill. Not so much cash-for-honours now, as cash-for-laws.

1629.10.2009 9:46

Good old UK - It takes forever to decide on something, and when they do as usual they go way over the top. In the UK due to everything being over taxed and over priced just about everyone has looked for a way to save money, downloading a torrent file or more is one of them. Do you ban the lot, I don't think so.

1729.10.2009 10:19

Quote:
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I agree I think the ISP's will be hurting and ill vote republican as well if Obama passes this law. I don't think that will happen though.
Why would you do that? The republicans and the democrats are both slaves of the media industry (as well as other big corporations). If you want a change, vote for a third party. Your candidate probably won't win, but at least when the government messes everything up, you can say "I didn't vote for that guy".
The only way to break the 2 party system is to vote for a third party. My choice would be Libertarian, but it's up to you.

1829.10.2009 18:18
fgamer
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Originally posted by siber:
sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.
No need for him to explain because if he did try to explain any further, it wouldn't be understandable. So it's not your stupidity because he never finished first grade!

1929.10.2009 19:32

if they are cracking down on piracy and pirates,
we need to crack down on them. HARD

2030.10.2009 2:18

Originally posted by david94:
if they are cracking down on piracy and pirates,
we need to crack down on them. HARD
.....settle down, masked avenger....

2130.10.2009 6:01
sj512
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Quote:
Originally posted by siber:
sj512, what language do you speak? I don't have a clue how to interpret your comment. It could be my own stupidity, I guess. Please, explain for us dummies.
I think he/she is saying that should this actually happen, then he/she will be downgrading his 50mb line (using Virgin Media I guess, since they are the only 50mb supplier here at the minute) to a 10mb line, which is the lowest line Virgin Media do.

Of course, without any grammar, punctuation or a coherent message, it's really up to interpretation!! :)

this is what i meant to say sorry for any confusion and i did finish first grade just

2230.10.2009 13:48

nethy, don't follow you mate. I had a look though a few things on that site and found it interesting, don't quite understand what you mean though.

2330.10.2009 15:41

Originally posted by windsong:
Doesnt matter since the mullahs will take over the UK in 20 years anyway, and they will do the same. Guess if you value freedom you should move out of the UK!
Don't talk like a moron in a sensible thread, and don't post racist crap like this. It's just stupid, and so are you if you believe it.
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2430.10.2009 20:40

This remember me the matrix movie when Neo needed to hide to hack software undergrounds, now is going to become a pure real life, lets suppose you want a movie that didn't come to your country or a classic hard to find one, which is copyrighted in the respective country, you won't be able to share it to the world and unable to download it, but you cannot even buy it!!!, then you gonna find out the way to share it or download it anyways but has to be totally underground, if you get caught it'll be a legal offense and then u can go to jail, hmm, then ANYONE can go to jail, why? how can u prove you didn't do it? this is an easy way to disapear smart people....remember one little thing: in computer systems everything is posible and really hard to prove that you did or not did something without having an advance computer knowledge and not even, is kinda like the anti-terrorism law.
To the entertainment industry: is time to thing on lower prices, I like the idea to have a blu-ray show/movies for 5~10dls, think how much everybody can win. (I think is worth to pay 5~10dls that download 5 or 6 gigs for on a blu-ray)

2531.10.2009 0:12

i got an idea!
store all of your pirated data on a hard drive, cover it up, burry it in the garden and ask ISPs to prove you did it :)

2631.10.2009 4:20
pspbarry
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haven`t you seen this coming? people are so used to downloading for free! films, music, games of all formats ....well now there forcing the isp`s to rat you out or else! i can see why talk talk arnt happy :( Recessions hitting the uk and there tightening there belts, i have been riding the rainbow like the rest of you, but it coming to an end, iam sorry to say.

2731.10.2009 9:18

Quote:
i got an idea!
store all of your pirated data on a hard drive, cover it up, burry it in the garden and ask ISPs to prove you did it :)

i know someone whos got a 500GB external harddrive that gets passed around full of movies& updated.
Personally i think your ISP should have nothing to do with what you do on the internet there job is to provide a connection not to moniter what you use the internet for.technically im a UK citizen even though i live in Australia do these new laws apply to me.If you can download it for free from a website whos got the right to tell you its illegal????

custom built gaming pc from early 2010,ps2 with 15 games all original,ps3 500gbs with 5 games all original,yamaha amp and 5.1channel surround sound speakers,46inch sony lcd smart tv.

281.11.2009 7:14

i totally agree but there is no way they are going to stop monitering us some time soon

291.11.2009 8:11

AFTER WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN FRANCE WITH THEIR OWN PRESIDENT, HAVING TWO STRIKE WARNINGS, FOR BREACHING THEIR OWN THREE STRIKES RULE, DOES THAT MEAN ONE MORE STRIKE AND HE WILL GET BANNED, I DONT THINK SO, MONEY TALKS, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BREAK THEIR OWN RULING, AFTER ALL POLITICANS ARE ABOVE US MERE MORTALS, AND THE SAME RULING WILL APPLY HERE IN THE UK, OUR GOVERMENT ARE WELL KNON FOR BREAKING THEIR OWN RULES

301.11.2009 8:13

so what are you saying?
that we should carry on downloading like we do

311.11.2009 11:10

If you're going to shout, Mikyplum, make sure it makes sense. I love a good rant but I couldn't really figure out what your point was. Politicians are bad, so what's original about that?

321.11.2009 12:07

ye polititions are bad, thats just one of many things that makes this country ****.thats why im gettin outta here

331.11.2009 13:02

MIKYPLUM, knockoff the caps lock as is referred to as shouting which is a forum rule no no. seems you have been warned at least once before about shouting by another mod in this link. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/802566/4870436
do it again & you'll get a temp ban or worse.

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341.11.2009 21:43

UK, what will they ban next?

Anyway, first they try to take my guns and now my net? Hells no.



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