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Convicted console modder has appeal thrown out

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 11 Nov 2009 16:00 User comments (85)

Convicted console modder has appeal thrown out Christopher Paul Gilham, the UK man convicted in 2008 of installing and selling modified Xbox, PS1, PS2 and GameCube consoles has had his appeal thrown out of court this week.
Gilham sold the modded consoles, which allow users to play back pirated games, from 2003 until 2006. His appeal was based on the issue of “whether the playing of a counterfeit DVD involves substantial copying of a copyright work.”

The court ruled against him: "The various drawings that result in the images shown on the television screen or monitor are themselves artistic works protected by copyright. The images shown on the screen are copies, and substantial copies, of those works. If the game is the well-known Tomb Raider, for example, the screen displays Lara Croft, a recognizable character who has been created by the labor and skill of the original artist."

In conclusion, the Court ruling added (via GamePolitics): "It is not necessary in future to show that a substantial copy of the game is made in Random Access Memory (RAM), all that needs to be shown is that some copyright work contained within the videogame is substantially copied e.g. the image of a game character."

The full text is available here: Gilham Decision

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85 user comments

111.11.2009 16:53

....damn they just banned the internet....

211.11.2009 17:37

Wait, they are convicting him for what exactly? He modded the consoles but wasn't selling pirated games right?

311.11.2009 17:42

Originally posted by 21Q:
Wait, they are convicting him for what exactly? He modded the consoles but wasn't selling pirated games right?
He added and abeded people in copying "images".... thats basically what it is..... the court ruled copied images are infringing...

411.11.2009 17:47

Modded consoles are perfectly legal in Canada, woot :D

Copied games aren't, but oh well...

511.11.2009 17:48

Originally posted by Morreale:
Modded consoles are perfectly legal in Canada, woot :D

Copied games aren't, but oh well...

wait wut??!!

611.11.2009 18:18

Originally posted by Morreale:
Modded consoles are perfectly legal in Canada, woot :D

Copied games aren't, but oh well...
I dont think so. I put up a modded ps2 on Kijiji (like craigslist) and it got taken down.

711.11.2009 18:41

Well it's frowned upon now but there's nothing that says it's illegal, just copying games you don't own and such is illegal.

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811.11.2009 18:44

Originally posted by Morreale:
Well it's frowned upon now but there's nothing that says it's illegal, just copying games you don't own and such is illegal.

And thats how it should be modded stuff stay out of the normal retail sectors and selling copy stuff should bring in enforcement ...you can;t lump it all together.... as the media mafia is trying to do...

911.11.2009 21:44

Actually it is illegal in Canada now, its just not widely cased as it is not in Canada's top priority. It's called reverse engineering. If you really want to find out tho, you could always ask the local law enforcement. I suggest tho, that Canadians who do have a modded system, keep it on the low; there's no telling when laws will be enforced to keep up with other countries.

1012.11.2009 0:56
LissenUp
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Originally posted by 21Q:
Wait, they are convicting him for what exactly? He modded the consoles but wasn't selling pirated games right?

Yeah..............I was just asking myself the same question. What is this crap about...

"The various drawings that result in the images shown on the television screen or monitor are themselves artistic works protected by copyright."

He modded but didn't pirate anything. They're just making an example out of him or there is more to this story than meets the eye.

1112.11.2009 3:56

They are convicting him for selling his services as enabling people to commit piracy...they just couldn't make that stick, so they declaired screenshots illigal, after the "crime" was commited.

I don't buy games without seeing an in-game video first...or at the very least, a whole bunch of screen shots. If both of these have become illigal, then I will not be buying games anymore I guess.

Next laws to pass:
-Any photograph with money in it will be considered conterfeiting currency.
-Any picture of a famous artwork will be considered theft from the museum where it is kept.
-You will not be able to send pictures of fruit across boarders.
-Any picture of a person will be considered human cloning...and human cloning is already illigal.
-Writing or saying the name of a company that you are refering to will be considered copywrite infringment...only Microsoft can call themselves Microsoft; saying "Buy Microsoft Windows" would be 2 counts of copywrite infringment.
-Taking a picture of yourself will be considered stealing your own soul, and will be punishable by burning.

1212.11.2009 4:14
scum101
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Quote:
-Taking a picture of yourself will be considered stealing your own soul, and will be punishable by burning.
excuse me mr policeman but somebody seems to have stolen my soul... whatcha gonna do about that then officer XD

let this be a big warning to anybody in the UK who thinks that modding consoles for money is viable. I guess it's fine to help a friend out, especially if the main reason is to replace a broken drive or something, but just "flash for cash" is too damn dangerous.

1312.11.2009 5:37

And This my friends Copyright Infringement going to the next level of insane control Copyright just needs to die end of story their going over board especialy when it comes to games that nobody can play any more exept by Emulation if it hasn't been made into the PSN X Box Live or Virtual Console......the gov is trying to ban everything this feels like the first step their refusing our rights to do what we want with the stuff we buy and its becoming nuts

1412.11.2009 6:35

Originally posted by Tristan_2:
And This my friends Copyright Infringement going to the next level of insane control Copyright just needs to die end of story their going over board especialy when it comes to games that nobody can play any more exept by Emulation if it hasn't been made into the PSN X Box Live or Virtual Console......the gov is trying to ban everything this feels like the first step their refusing our rights to do what we want with the stuff we buy and its becoming nuts
Too right ! all we are just doing is moving with the future and leaving the Authorities behind who are obviously too old to keep up now! !

1512.11.2009 7:19

So If II found a way to mod a console and everygame I put in the main character looked like me, would I get in trouble still?

1612.11.2009 8:57

Simply put he was helping people use "illegally" downloaded products.
I think its right the he gets convicted for that. Probably gonna get a flaming for saying that but think of it this way: You buy a game, lets use GTA or GranTurismo as an option, at the time i bought those games for €60 and €62 and i played those things for months, i still play GranTurismo every now and then so i really got my moneys worth, those people that work on these games put alot of hard work into these games so i find €60 a fair price for the amount of pleasure and fun you get from them, if you go and download and burn them they're losing money, so they're going to have to make even more expensive and so you've screwed yourself and the rest of the gaming community in the end.
Go out to watch a film, based on two people: Film €9 pp, some popcorn and drinks:€10 Parking money and/or fuel used to get there: €10 and you might go have something to eat or get some drinks after the film....easily over €60 for ONE evening, with a €60 game you'll have more than one evening of fun and pleasure......

1712.11.2009 9:03

OK, so the court has now ruled that the process of the data transferring from disc into RAM counts as making a copy of copyrighted work, as does displaying the images on a screen and no doubt playing the audio.

Do the licence agreements that come with each game permit the purchaser to copy the work in these three ways, or is every game player now making unauthorised copies every time they play a game?

1812.11.2009 9:15

Originally posted by doveman:
OK, so the court has now ruled that the process of the data transferring from disc into RAM counts as making a copy of copyrighted work, as does displaying the images on a screen and no doubt playing the audio.

Do the licence agreements that come with each game permit the purchaser to copy the work in these three ways, or is every game player now making unauthorised copies every time they play a game?
Thats more likely it...tho they will say its not but they have no way to separate them.....

1912.11.2009 9:24
scum101
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yup... throw your computer away.. because afterdawns logo is copyrighted, and my pc is showing it on the monitor right now... that means it's a copy.


2012.11.2009 9:27

Ok so what of the dozens of sites selling chips :wasabi/wiikey ect ect i know more than a few.Poor guys in lockup for christmas over this shit well i'll pirate one game for him in protest now what game will it be?

2112.11.2009 9:34

Originally posted by kaledonio:
Ok so what of the dozens of sites selling chips :wasabi/wiikey ect ect i know more than a few.Poor guys in lockup for christmas over this shit well i'll pirate one game for him in protest now what game will it be?
MW2?

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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2212.11.2009 9:41

im in australia and over here people advertise they can mod consoles for a fee and some even give you a receipt and warrenty.if you ask them can my modded console play a copied game after its modded they will tell you it can play backed up games.if you own something its up to you what you do with it.i think this is ridiculous.if you own a car you can modify it for racing and sell it.if you own a sterio you can rewire it to be louder and sell it ect.So why can't you sell a modded console.if that guy ever gets out i hope he comes to australia and starts sell modded consoles we need someone like him over here


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2312.11.2009 9:47

modern warfare 2 no chance i'm a pc gamer not a console gamer although i do own a 360 and wii.I won't buy call of duty modern warfare 2 on pc because of the dedicated servers issue my money is better spent elsewhere.

2412.11.2009 9:51

Originally posted by kaledonio:
modern warfare 2 no chance i'm a pc gamer not a console gamer although i do own a 360 and wii.I won't buy call of duty modern warfare 2 on pc because of the dedicated servers issue my money is better spent elsewhere.
UUU said pirate a game which one shall it be, MW2 is the most deserving IMO.

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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2512.11.2009 9:53

Originally posted by kaledonio:
modern warfare 2 no chance i'm a pc gamer not a console gamer although i do own a 360 and wii.I won't buy call of duty modern warfare 2 on pc because of the dedicated servers issue my money is better spent elsewhere.Even pirating this game is a waste of time sure you can play single player but MW2 is multiplayer based or is for me neway.I think the infinity ward petition is neary at the 300,000 mark but they ain't listenin just a loss for them.If the get pc game of the year its bullshit the pc version has been boycotted by many

2612.11.2009 9:58

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2712.11.2009 10:22

Originally posted by kaledonio:
Originally posted by kaledonio:
modern warfare 2 no chance i'm a pc gamer not a console gamer although i do own a 360 and wii.I won't buy call of duty modern warfare 2 on pc because of the dedicated servers issue my money is better spent elsewhere.Even pirating this game is a waste of time sure you can play single player but MW2 is multiplayer based or is for me neway.I think the infinity ward petition is neary at the 300,000 mark but they ain't listenin just a loss for them.If the get pc game of the year its bullshit the pc version has been boycotted by many

meh seed it anyway thats what I am doing :P

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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2812.11.2009 10:27

One step closer to a police state.

2912.11.2009 10:41

We're living in a police state already have been for ages though they can never fully kill what we do unless of coarse they unplug everything if we all go underground what have the got other than spoons to dig us out.

I shall seed MW2 just for effect :P

3012.11.2009 11:06

@Guagua - Enabling someone to commit an illegal act is not the same as committing an illegal act. Otherwise we could sue people who sell guns because someone who bought one did something illegal with it.

There are many useful legal uses for modchips. I turned my PS2 into a workable media player for the living room. I ran Linux on it. If I was inclined, I could play the newest Japanese games on it. I could turn an old console into a utility server (filesharing for the house, FTP, web server).

I can do all that instead of just tossing it in the trash when they quit making games for the console.

3112.11.2009 11:09

Originally posted by IguanaC64:
@Guagua - Enabling someone to commit an illegal act is not the same as committing an illegal act. Otherwise we could sue people who sell guns because someone who bought one did something illegal with it.

There are many useful legal uses for modchips. I turned my PS2 into a workable media player for the living room. I ran Linux on it. If I was inclined, I could play the newest Japanese games on it. I could turn an old console into a utility server (filesharing for the house, FTP, web server).

I can do all that instead of just tossing it in the trash when they quit making games for the console.
Actually if you have enough money you can sue and win against anyone with pretty good odds of random convictions on the one non existent one armed bandit....

The media mafia is spending themselfs into a corner they want things both ways....

3212.11.2009 11:54
Daniel_1
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Sigh...so why not just buy a used Wii and add the emulators to the hard drive and then use it to play Nintendo-Sony-XBox-and a host of other gaming systems. I mean for pity's sake I did that to my old Wii and I now can play any game out there on one system. When a game pops up that I cannot play I first look on the net for the emulator and then just add it to my Wii's hard drive and off I go. And the best thing is that I can use this and play EU and japanese games as well!


Jeeze people this is not rocket science and it is so easy it is not funny. And the best part is I am not breaking any laws as I am not modding anything. Therefor as bad as they would want to, there is no law in Canada nor the US nor any other country in the world that I am breaking. Do a search on Google and you will find over 100,000 sites telling you exactly how to do this.

3312.11.2009 11:59

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Sigh...so why not just buy a used Wii and add the emulators to the hard drive and then use it to play Nintendo-Sony-XBox-and a host of other gaming systems. I mean for pity's sake I did that to my old Wii and I now can play any game out there on one system. When a game pops up that I cannot play I first look on the net for the emulator and then just add it to my Wii's hard drive and off I go. And the best thing is that I can use this and play EU and japanese games as well!


Jeeze people this is not rocket science and it is so easy it is not funny. And the best part is I am not breaking any laws as I am not modding anything. Therefor as bad as they would want to, there is no law in Canada nor the US nor any other country in the world that I am breaking. Do a search on Google and you will find over 100,000 sites telling you exactly how to do this.
Xbox? er..no its 8bit+16bit and the N64 no PS2 or Xbox...and I can have all that on my PC...so why bother with a inferior wii?

THo....get me full DS emulation on the big screen and I am so there.....

3412.11.2009 13:08
Daniel_1
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Quote:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Sigh...so why not just buy a used Wii and add the emulators to the hard drive and then use it to play Nintendo-Sony-XBox-and a host of other gaming systems. I mean for pity's sake I did that to my old Wii and I now can play any game out there on one system. When a game pops up that I cannot play I first look on the net for the emulator and then just add it to my Wii's hard drive and off I go. And the best thing is that I can use this and play EU and japanese games as well!


Jeeze people this is not rocket science and it is so easy it is not funny. And the best part is I am not breaking any laws as I am not modding anything. Therefor as bad as they would want to, there is no law in Canada nor the US nor any other country in the world that I am breaking. Do a search on Google and you will find over 100,000 sites telling you exactly how to do this.
Xbox? er..no its 8bit+16bit and the N64 no PS2 or Xbox...and I can have all that on my PC...so why bother with a inferior wii?

THo....get me full DS emulation on the big screen and I am so there.....

Er, YES! I know you can do it as I AM doing it as we speak! I have the following emulators on my Wii hard drive

ALL Nintendo Gaming systems from the original Nintendo to the one before the Wii including the handhelds

ALL Sony Playstation and game gear emulators

The Atari Juag and the Atari hand held and the original Atari game system

Commodore 64

XBox

And all of them play fine thank you. You must place the previous games on a disc for them to work but they work well. You can find them on any rom site.

The only draw back is that I cant ever again connect my Wii to the net as any firm upgrade will wipe out all the emulators. If you can live with this, then you to can make the ultimate gaming machine with a simple bit of work

3512.11.2009 13:23

Originally posted by GuaGua:
Simply put he was helping people use "illegally" downloaded products.
I think its right the he gets convicted for that. Probably gonna get a flaming for saying that but think of it this way: You buy a game, lets use GTA or GranTurismo as an option, at the time i bought those games for €60 and €62 and i played those things for months, i still play GranTurismo every now and then so i really got my moneys worth, those people that work on these games put alot of hard work into these games so i find €60 a fair price for the amount of pleasure and fun you get from them, if you go and download and burn them they're losing money, so they're going to have to make even more expensive and so you've screwed yourself and the rest of the gaming community in the end.
Go out to watch a film, based on two people: Film €9 pp, some popcorn and drinks:€10 Parking money and/or fuel used to get there: €10 and you might go have something to eat or get some drinks after the film....easily over €60 for ONE evening, with a €60 game you'll have more than one evening of fun and pleasure......
I have modded different types of consoles. I have had every console after Coleco introduce the Telstar Systems back in the 70's. I got into the modding and Bootlegging scene around the Commodore 64 era. Every game I aquired was either bought or traded for until trading became a moning making game. Even then the makers didn't want you to trade or borrow. I said it then and I say it now. If I purchase something it's mine to do whatever with as long as I am not endangering another persons life. As far as games that I downloaded and played on modded systems, I do believe you need to support the makers by purchasing those games that you would normally buy. For example I have purchased every Gran Turismo, Forza,Prject Gotham and every hot racing title out there. I then learned to scale it down cus not all are good. So I either rent or tried the demo. In either of those cases majority of the publishers would not get my money and I would not take the time to finish the game. So if I choose to download a title to see how it is and it just so happens to be the full version and I want to play with all features after trying it then I will buy it. But most times these games suck and the publisher won't get a dime. So why worry if I download it. And even if the people who download and play complete games don't support, they propbably wouldn't anyway because they are some broke asses. So let them have the crumbs.

3612.11.2009 14:51

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Sigh...so why not just buy a used Wii and add the emulators to the hard drive and then use it to play Nintendo-Sony-XBox-and a host of other gaming systems. I mean for pity's sake I did that to my old Wii and I now can play any game out there on one system. When a game pops up that I cannot play I first look on the net for the emulator and then just add it to my Wii's hard drive and off I go. And the best thing is that I can use this and play EU and japanese games as well!


Jeeze people this is not rocket science and it is so easy it is not funny. And the best part is I am not breaking any laws as I am not modding anything. Therefor as bad as they would want to, there is no law in Canada nor the US nor any other country in the world that I am breaking. Do a search on Google and you will find over 100,000 sites telling you exactly how to do this.
Xbox? er..no its 8bit+16bit and the N64 no PS2 or Xbox...and I can have all that on my PC...so why bother with a inferior wii?

THo....get me full DS emulation on the big screen and I am so there.....

Er, YES! I know you can do it as I AM doing it as we speak! I have the following emulators on my Wii hard drive

ALL Nintendo Gaming systems from the original Nintendo to the one before the Wii including the handhelds

ALL Sony Playstation and game gear emulators

The Atari Juag and the Atari hand held and the original Atari game system

Commodore 64

XBox

And all of them play fine thank you. You must place the previous games on a disc for them to work but they work well. You can find them on any rom site.

The only draw back is that I cant ever again connect my Wii to the net as any firm upgrade will wipe out all the emulators. If you can live with this, then you to can make the ultimate gaming machine with a simple bit of work
I don't even see a working PS2 and Xbox emulator for pc....links or it didn't happen.....

3712.11.2009 15:53
Daniel_1
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Zippy, just go here for all your working emulator needs

http://www.emulator-zone.com/


here is a link of well over 100,000 sites that have working PS2 emulators

http://www.google.com/search?q=ps2+emula...lient=firefox-a

or go here for a direct link to three working versions for the ps2

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/ps2/

And here is a link to well over 1 MILLION sites that have these emulators

http://www.google.com/search?q=Xbox+emul...lient=firefox-a

or specifically go her for just xbox emulators for the PC and all work

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/xbox/

3812.11.2009 15:58

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Zippy, just go here for all your working emulator needs

http://www.emulator-zone.com/


here is a link of well over 100,000 sites that have working PS2 emulators

http://www.google.com/search?q=ps2+emula...lient=firefox-a

or go here for a direct link to three working versions for the ps2

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/ps2/

And here is a link to well over 1 MILLION sites that have these emulators

http://www.google.com/search?q=Xbox+emul...lient=firefox-a

or specifically go her for just xbox emulators for the PC and all work

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/xbox/

..... no offense.... but those are the same half assed PS2 emulators that have been half working or less for years.... and the Xbox emulators are..well.... the old fakes ones no one has had the heart to take down... There are many emulators for the Xbox but no real xbox emulators.... just saying you might want to read the stuff you are posting...I know I always don't 0-0 witht eh stuff I post.....I prefer to think more out my ass...its more funt hat way :P
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3912.11.2009 16:40
Daniel_1
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No offense, but between all the sites I gave you you have well over 2 million links for emulators, they cannot ALL be bad

4012.11.2009 16:42

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
No offense, but between all the sites I gave you you have well over 2 million links for emulators, they cannot ALL be bad
Its not that they are bad...they just show the same 2 xbox emulators. :P

4112.11.2009 16:56
Daniel_1
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Quote:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
No offense, but between all the sites I gave you you have well over 2 million links for emulators, they cannot ALL be bad
Its not that they are bad...they just show the same 2 xbox emulators. :P
And my point is that not all 2 million plus show the exact same emulator nor the two different emulators. Therefor you cannot make the above statement

4212.11.2009 16:57

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
No offense, but between all the sites I gave you you have well over 2 million links for emulators, they cannot ALL be bad
Its not that they are bad...they just show the same 2 xbox emulators. :P
And my point is that not all 2 million plus show the exact same emulator nor the two different emulators. Therefor you cannot make the above statement

Hard to show anything else since those are the only 2 Xboxs emulators ever made so far....

4313.11.2009 0:09

Wait nevermind on I thought comments were deleted but their not it just moved up a page on this but I really do not like this copyright crap its getting out of hand even on commentating on this a second time I still can't understand what this really means its got me confused as heck

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4413.11.2009 0:42

Originally posted by Tristan_2:
Wait nevermind on I thought comments were deleted but their not it just moved up a page on this but I really do not like this copyright crap its getting out of hand even on commentating on this a second time I still can't understand what this really means its got me confused as heck
What it realy means is that because they were unable to build a solid case against him for installing MOD chips, they interprited a law in a downright insane way.

IGN is now more illigal than Pirate Bay because of all the screenshots...all hosted from their own servers. I doubt they would go after IGN...they have the lawyers to defend themselves, and overturn this ruling.

Truth be told, IGN has been illigal for a while. They use HDMI capture cards that remove HDCP from HD video for their videos. Such cards are illigal; and just owning one is a crime. Using one is a blatent violation of the DMCA...but they get away with it because they are a company that can defend themselves in court.

Of course, if I were to order one of these cards for the same reason (to share gameplay videos in order to increase sales), I could be charged with a crime before I even recieved it!
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4513.11.2009 6:30

Actually, I think they had him bang to rights under section 296ZB of the Act (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032498.htm#24) which makes it an offence even to possess mod chips in the course of a business.

But I agree that this finding is insane. I don't even understand why the judge decided that "In order to establish that an offence under...section 296ZB...has been committed...the prosecution must prove:
(2) That the playing of a counterfeit DVD on a game console involves the copying of a copyright work."

as I can see no justification for that decision in section 296ZB.

As for IGN, as the Filesoup case shows, the Police only go after whoever their corporate masters tell them to in cases like this, and obviously they don't have a problem with IGN.

4613.11.2009 8:27

Quote:
Actually, I think they had him bang to rights under section 296ZB of the Act (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032498.htm#24) which makes it an offence even to possess mod chips in the course of a business.

But I agree that this finding is insane. I don't even understand why the judge decided that "In order to establish that an offence under...section 296ZB...has been committed...the prosecution must prove:
(2) That the playing of a counterfeit DVD on a game console involves the copying of a copyright work."

as I can see no justification for that decision in section 296ZB.

As for IGN, as the Filesoup case shows, the Police only go after whoever their corporate masters tell them to in cases like this, and obviously they don't have a problem with IGN.

As you can see ive highlighted the part that confused me.my DVD player plays copied dvds and has a USB drive that can be used to play movies illegally copied onto a usb stick is my DVD player illegal i think not.my mum car is capable of doing more than 110KMPh and thats the speed limit and her car isn't illegal.As for illegal game screenshots ive seen plenty of game screenshots on websites and i wonder if they all got permission to use the games screenshot i highly doubt it.I wouldnt be surprised if people start getting prosecuted for buying dvd burners cause the main purpose of a dvd burner is to copy files(eg.games,movies,music).i honestly think prosecuters bend&manipulate the law anyway they can to lock people up.

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4713.11.2009 10:25

Well, section 296 of that act gives the copyright owner the same rights to sue someone for importing or selling a device "the sole intended purpose of which is to facilitate the unauthorised removal or circumvention of the technical device", as they have for copyright infringement (basically copying), so they could in theory sue an individual who imports a single mod chip for private use if they could show that his actions had cost them money.

Your DVD player clearly wouldn't be covered by this.

Something else to be aware of is that the same section makes someone liable to be sued who "publishes information intended to enable or assist persons to remove or circumvent the technical device."

So section 296 opens the possibility of civil action being taken but section 296ZB creates criminal, imprisonable, offences. Whilst they generally only apply to businesses, they do also make it an offence to distribute a circumvention device, or promote, advertise or market "a service the purpose of which is to enable or facilitate the circumvention of effective technological measures.", " otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the copyright owner

4814.11.2009 0:33

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Something else to be aware of is that the same section makes someone liable to be sued who "publishes information intended to enable or assist persons to remove or circumvent the technical device."

does that mean that any forum that offers information such as how to modify an xbox or ps2 console can be sued???

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4914.11.2009 2:09

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Something else to be aware of is that the same section makes someone liable to be sued who "publishes information intended to enable or assist persons to remove or circumvent the technical device."

does that mean that any forum that offers information such as how to modify an xbox or ps2 console can be sued???
Depending how things are mostlikely yes they could be.

Though what scares me the most with this verdict I just hope Video Game companies don't loose their own copyright rights I am strangely enough seeing some crazyness again with youtube.

If their making it a crime to do Video Game Walkthroughs in any shape and form if you think about it this Verdict Violates the 1st Amendment First the FTC thing in December on game reviews now this???

What I found on youtube all ready is when I saw this article on Friday the 13th is Video Game Music is slowly being added to the Audio Swipe or even as well Content ID The Entire Castlevania Symphony of The Night Track is on Audio Swipe and this scares the crap out of me especially how well people do lets plays/walkthroughs on youtube, what does this mean?

5014.11.2009 7:47
Daniel_1
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
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No offense, but between all the sites I gave you you have well over 2 million links for emulators, they cannot ALL be bad
Its not that they are bad...they just show the same 2 xbox emulators. :P
And my point is that not all 2 million plus show the exact same emulator nor the two different emulators. Therefor you cannot make the above statement

Hard to show anything else since those are the only 2 Xboxs emulators ever made so far....
And in that statement, you have just shown you have no idea what your talking about. I have counted 26 different XBox emulators so far in the 2 million links and I am not even half way through the first 500,000.

5114.11.2009 8:08
Daniel_1
Inactive

Originally posted by doveman:
Well, section 296 of that act gives the copyright owner the same rights to sue someone for importing or selling a device "the sole intended purpose of which is to facilitate the unauthorised removal or circumvention of the technical device", as they have for copyright infringement (basically copying), so they could in theory sue an individual who imports a single mod chip for private use if they could show that his actions had cost them money.

Your DVD player clearly wouldn't be covered by this.

Something else to be aware of is that the same section makes someone liable to be sued who "publishes information intended to enable or assist persons to remove or circumvent the technical device."

So section 296 opens the possibility of civil action being taken but section 296ZB creates criminal, imprisonable, offences. Whilst they generally only apply to businesses, they do also make it an offence to distribute a circumvention device, or promote, advertise or market "a service the purpose of which is to enable or facilitate the circumvention of effective technological measures.", " otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the copyright owner

Nope, then you would be in error. Using your logic means that ALL Tivo's or VHS tapes or even computers (because they can inport audio/video from a PPV channel and place it on a dvd) would be illegal based on the simple fact that they can capture a valid audio/video signal and allw you to migrate said audio/video to another form and be able to watch it later with friends or alone. Same would be for iPhones and Zunes and any other form of phone or mp3 player that can replay audio or video.

The idiots that made these laws are so ignorant as to not understand that the US Supreme Court Betamax decision already ALLOWS for us to make another copy of our purchased games-cd's-movies for our own use and ALLOWS us to have the means to do so. If that means having a modded game station or a program like Slysoft AnyDVD along with DVD Shrink or DVDNextCopy, then there is not a damn thing that the authorities can do about it. I know this for a fact as my attorney is a movie buff and has one room built in his house for movies that he legally buys. He then makes a copy of the movie and places the original in a safe place (his room) and watches the copy so he does not have to worry about the original becoming damaged. He does the same with his cd's so the originals dont get stolen. Someone turned him in for copying these (he thinks it was someone he beat in court and has it narrowed down to two people) and he had to go before a federal judge and explain his actions. Once the Judge found out what he was doing and that there was no proof that he was selling anything, the judge threw the case out with prejudice (that means they can never file a like case against him ever again) as what he was doing is perfectly legal. They also tried to get him because he owned dvd copying programs and the judge looked at them (MPAA/RIAA) and said "it makes no sense to say you can make a copy of a dvd for your own personal use as the Supreme Court has already ruled, and then turn right around and deny the public the same programs that allow them to do this. Case Dismissed with Prejudice"


Where this guy got afoul of the law was that he was SELLING them. Now if he would have just set them up and asked for a DONATION of the cost to send it to you...then he would not have been in violation of anything as the laws clearly only make these illegal when you have them with the intent to sell. If you are giving them away for donations then you are not selling them are you? At least this is how it works under US and Canadian Law

5214.11.2009 8:31

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Nope, then you would be in error. Using your logic means that ALL Tivo's or VHS tapes or even computers (because they can inport audio/video from a PPV channel and place it on a dvd) would be illegal based on the simple fact that they can capture a valid audio/video signal and allw you to migrate said audio/video to another form and be able to watch it later with friends or alone. Same would be for iPhones and Zunes and any other form of phone or mp3 player that can replay audio or video.
Err, re-read the legislation I quoted. Do you really think that Tivo's, VHS recorders, computers, Iphones, Zunes, mobile phones/mp3 players would be covered by the definition of "a device, the sole intended purpose of which is to facilitate the unauthorised removal or circumvention of the technical device"?

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The idiots that made these laws are so ignorant as to not understand that the US Supreme Court Betamax decision already ALLOWS for us to make another copy of our purchased games-cd's-movies for our own use and ALLOWS us to have the means to do so.
Irrelevant, seeing as we're talking about a case in the UK here.

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Where this guy got afoul of the law was that he was SELLING them. Now if he would have just set them up and asked for a DONATION of the cost to send it to you...then he would not have been in violation of anything as the laws clearly only make these illegal when you have them with the intent to sell. If you are giving them away for donations then you are not selling them are you? At least this is how it works under US and Canadian Law
But we're not talking about US and Canadian Law are we. We're talking about an idiotic ruling in the British courts and a piece of UK legislation, which in sections 296ZA-G gives effect to an EU directive.

Section 296ZB, which can be read here http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032498.htm#24 if you can be bothered, clearly makes it an offence to even import or distribute mod-chips in the course of a business. And if you think that he'd have any chance of a court allowing a defence that he wasn't selling them but just giving them away in return for a donation, then you clearly haven't got a clue.

5314.11.2009 9:52

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
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No offense, but between all the sites I gave you you have well over 2 million links for emulators, they cannot ALL be bad
Its not that they are bad...they just show the same 2 xbox emulators. :P
And my point is that not all 2 million plus show the exact same emulator nor the two different emulators. Therefor you cannot make the above statement

Hard to show anything else since those are the only 2 Xboxs emulators ever made so far....
And in that statement, you have just shown you have no idea what your talking about. I have counted 26 different XBox emulators so far in the 2 million links and I am not even half way through the first 500,000.
Well...you've yet to prove me wrong..... give me a direct link to a working Xbox emulator, not a emulator for the Xbox but an actual Xbox emulator for PC or the WII...... I'll gladly eat my hat with aside of foot IF uuu can prove me wrong.....

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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5414.11.2009 9:56

I was going to start a new business modding toasters to be a little cooler so the toast doesn't burn. I guess I'll have to scratch that idea.


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5514.11.2009 9:57
scum101
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Zipp.. no working xbox emulator has been made.. cxbx was actually a tool to make xbe's and deal with homebrew creation.. the other one (I forget it's name) played Turok.. just about, and managed to load the halo boot screen.

The xbox cpu architecture uses a custom instruction set (never published)


5614.11.2009 9:58

Originally posted by ChiefBrdy:
I was going to start a new business modding toasters to be a little cooler so the toast doesn't burn. I guess I'll have to scratch that idea.

You mean make the easy break oven alil less like an oven? :P

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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5714.11.2009 9:59

Originally posted by scum101:
Zipp.. no working xbox emulator has been made.. cxbx was actually a tool to make xbe's and deal with homebrew creation.. the other one (I forget it's name) played Turok.. just about, and managed to load the halo boot screen.

The xbox cpu architecture uses a custom instruction set (never published)
T1hHats what I am trying to get Denial_1 to understand..(rolling wif ze eyez)..

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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5814.11.2009 10:06
scum101
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I think where somebody is getting confused is in the details.. there are many emulators "for" xbox.. but only those 2 that "are"


5914.11.2009 10:10

Originally posted by scum101:
I think where somebody is getting confused is in the details.. there are many emulators "for" xbox.. but only those 2 that "are"
Hey its not hard for me to get confused, but I believe my question was an Xbox emulator on the WII, and as far as my fuzzy brains are concerned in order to get one on the WII you need to have had one made for PC.


Sure I iz an idiot that can easily corner myself in a conversion(with myself) much less an argument :P



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6014.11.2009 13:05
Daniel_1
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Originally posted by scum101:
I think where somebody is getting confused is in the details.. there are many emulators "for" xbox.. but only those 2 that "are"
Hey its not hard for me to get confused, but I believe my question was an Xbox emulator on the WII, and as far as my fuzzy brains are concerned in order to get one on the WII you need to have had one made for PC.


Sure I iz an idiot that can easily corner myself in a conversion(with myself) much less an argument :P

And thats what I am trying to tell you. I just looked at the Google Search engine and found over 2 million hits. If you use the nexus search engine (which is Google on steroids x 10) the least xbox emulators you will find is over 10 million hits.

And you realy need to start using a search engine Zippy, here is a site that will tell you EXACTLY how to place XBox and Playstation emulators on your Wii so you can play all three on one system

http://www.tehskeen.com/modules/skeenew/...71dc726271f0b77

If I can find all this stuff, then why cant you guys?

6114.11.2009 13:14

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I think where somebody is getting confused is in the details.. there are many emulators "for" xbox.. but only those 2 that "are"
Hey its not hard for me to get confused, but I believe my question was an Xbox emulator on the WII, and as far as my fuzzy brains are concerned in order to get one on the WII you need to have had one made for PC.


Sure I iz an idiot that can easily corner myself in a conversion(with myself) much less an argument :P

And thats what I am trying to tell you. I just looked at the Google Search engine and found over 2 million hits. If you use the nexus search engine (which is Google on steroids x 10) the least xbox emulators you will find is over 10 million hits.

And you realy need to start using a search engine Zippy, here is a site that will tell you EXACTLY how to place XBox and Playstation emulators on your Wii so you can play all three on one system

http://www.tehskeen.com/modules/skeenew/...71dc726271f0b77

If I can find all this stuff, then why cant you guys?
And what you fall to comprehend is that they all lead back to the 2 or 3 fake/unfinished Xbox emulators that do not work, the link you posted you did not read because it has no Xbox emulators in it....what it has is general 360 news and a few emulators for the 360, and it also has emulators for the WII but no Xbox emulators for the WII or PC or anything else..... I was asking about(still mythical) Xbox emulators ya know....

6214.11.2009 19:36
Daniel_1
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Originally posted by scum101:
I think where somebody is getting confused is in the details.. there are many emulators "for" xbox.. but only those 2 that "are"
Hey its not hard for me to get confused, but I believe my question was an Xbox emulator on the WII, and as far as my fuzzy brains are concerned in order to get one on the WII you need to have had one made for PC.


Sure I iz an idiot that can easily corner myself in a conversion(with myself) much less an argument :P

And thats what I am trying to tell you. I just looked at the Google Search engine and found over 2 million hits. If you use the nexus search engine (which is Google on steroids x 10) the least xbox emulators you will find is over 10 million hits.

And you realy need to start using a search engine Zippy, here is a site that will tell you EXACTLY how to place XBox and Playstation emulators on your Wii so you can play all three on one system

http://www.tehskeen.com/modules/skeenew/...71dc726271f0b77

If I can find all this stuff, then why cant you guys?
And what you fall to comprehend is that they all lead back to the 2 or 3 fake/unfinished Xbox emulators that do not work, the link you posted you did not read because it has no Xbox emulators in it....what it has is general 360 news and a few emulators for the 360, and it also has emulators for the WII but no Xbox emulators for the WII or PC or anything else..... I was asking about(still mythical) Xbox emulators ya know....
And what YOU fail to comprehend is there is no damn way all 10 million links on Nexus and all 2 million links on Google lead back to the same 3 emulators. Unless you have been through ALL these links, then you cannot say that with any degree of fact.

So unless you have been through all of the links I have provided, all you can say for sure is the ones that you looked through (maybe a couple hundred) do what you say but you cannot say that for all the links as you have not seen them therefor you have no bloody well idea WHERE they lead to...now do you?

6314.11.2009 19:43

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I think where somebody is getting confused is in the details.. there are many emulators "for" xbox.. but only those 2 that "are"
Hey its not hard for me to get confused, but I believe my question was an Xbox emulator on the WII, and as far as my fuzzy brains are concerned in order to get one on the WII you need to have had one made for PC.


Sure I iz an idiot that can easily corner myself in a conversion(with myself) much less an argument :P

And thats what I am trying to tell you. I just looked at the Google Search engine and found over 2 million hits. If you use the nexus search engine (which is Google on steroids x 10) the least xbox emulators you will find is over 10 million hits.

And you realy need to start using a search engine Zippy, here is a site that will tell you EXACTLY how to place XBox and Playstation emulators on your Wii so you can play all three on one system

http://www.tehskeen.com/modules/skeenew/...71dc726271f0b77

If I can find all this stuff, then why cant you guys?
And what you fall to comprehend is that they all lead back to the 2 or 3 fake/unfinished Xbox emulators that do not work, the link you posted you did not read because it has no Xbox emulators in it....what it has is general 360 news and a few emulators for the 360, and it also has emulators for the WII but no Xbox emulators for the WII or PC or anything else..... I was asking about(still mythical) Xbox emulators ya know....
And what YOU fail to comprehend is there is no damn way all 10 million links on Nexus and all 2 million links on Google lead back to the same 3 emulators. Unless you have been through ALL these links, then you cannot say that with any degree of fact.

So unless you have been through all of the links I have provided, all you can say for sure is the ones that you looked through (maybe a couple hundred) do what you say but you cannot say that for all the links as you have not seen them therefor you have no bloody well idea WHERE they lead to...now do you?
But here's the thing you can not prover there are more than 2-4 non functioning Xbox emulators.... I spent half a day looking over the links ya know and I found nothing other than the same set of non functioning Xbox emulators...... and since you can't link to a working one directly it means it dose not exist and by refusing to understand that you are an ass....but probably not as big as me since I wont let this bone go >>.

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6414.11.2009 19:55
Daniel_1
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Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators

6514.11.2009 19:59

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
So you agree you are doing this for the lulz? oy newbs....

6614.11.2009 20:23
Daniel_1
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
So you agree you are doing this for the lulz? oy newbs....
No, you asked for the links and I gave them to you. And be careful who you are calling a newb! I was making and building home computers back in the early 1970's when the largest hard drive we had was measured in Kb's and not GB's. When the internet was nothing but BBoards and all connections to same were long distance. When all we had for storage were 5in flopy's. And there is a very good chance that I was coding programs and software before you were a twinkle in mommys eye. As a matter of fact I still have my first Tandy Computer around here along with the mighty 4 baud modem.

So make sure of who you are calling a newb, as most people who do that usually end up having to drop their pants to tie their shoes after shoving their foot so far down their throat.

6714.11.2009 21:43

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I think where somebody is getting confused is in the details.. there are many emulators "for" xbox.. but only those 2 that "are"
Hey its not hard for me to get confused, but I believe my question was an Xbox emulator on the WII, and as far as my fuzzy brains are concerned in order to get one on the WII you need to have had one made for PC.


Sure I iz an idiot that can easily corner myself in a conversion(with myself) much less an argument :P

And thats what I am trying to tell you. I just looked at the Google Search engine and found over 2 million hits. If you use the nexus search engine (which is Google on steroids x 10) the least xbox emulators you will find is over 10 million hits.

And you realy need to start using a search engine Zippy, here is a site that will tell you EXACTLY how to place XBox and Playstation emulators on your Wii so you can play all three on one system

http://www.tehskeen.com/modules/skeenew/...71dc726271f0b77

If I can find all this stuff, then why cant you guys?
And what you fall to comprehend is that they all lead back to the 2 or 3 fake/unfinished Xbox emulators that do not work, the link you posted you did not read because it has no Xbox emulators in it....what it has is general 360 news and a few emulators for the 360, and it also has emulators for the WII but no Xbox emulators for the WII or PC or anything else..... I was asking about(still mythical) Xbox emulators ya know....
And what YOU fail to comprehend is there is no damn way all 10 million links on Nexus and all 2 million links on Google lead back to the same 3 emulators. Unless you have been through ALL these links, then you cannot say that with any degree of fact.

So unless you have been through all of the links I have provided, all you can say for sure is the ones that you looked through (maybe a couple hundred) do what you say but you cannot say that for all the links as you have not seen them therefor you have no bloody well idea WHERE they lead to...now do you?
But here's the thing you can not prover there are more than 2-4 non functioning Xbox emulators.... I spent half a day looking over the links ya know and I found nothing other than the same set of non functioning Xbox emulators...... and since you can't link to a working one directly it means it dose not exist and by refusing to understand that you are an ass....but probably not as big as me since I wont let this bone go >>.

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Dude, you really shouldn't feed the troll.

6814.11.2009 22:30
Daniel_1
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Your right CarpeSol, I shouldn't

6914.11.2009 22:35

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Your right CarpeSol, I shouldn't
Nice try. ^Troll

7015.11.2009 2:15

ok Daniel_1 & Zippy DSM you are both completely off topic but i may have a solution for you both.Daniel_1 find a link to a working xbox emulator 1 you have personally tried and post the link it saves Zippy from arguing about it.As for feeding trolls if you feed a troll and show it some kind words it might become your friend.

Back on topic i didnt know it was illegal to import or distribute modchips for the course of a business. ok ive red section 296ZB and it is actually an offence.some laws are so stupid.


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7115.11.2009 8:10
Daniel_1
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
ok Daniel_1 & Zippy DSM you are both completely off topic but i may have a solution for you both.Daniel_1 find a link to a working xbox emulator 1 you have personally tried and post the link it saves Zippy from arguing about it.As for feeding trolls if you feed a troll and show it some kind words it might become your friend.

Back on topic i didnt know it was illegal to import or distribute modchips for the course of a business. ok ive red section 296ZB and it is actually an offence.some laws are so stupid.
Fine. Then he can go here and get his emulator http://www.everything4360.com/?hop=milleniumb as nothing I have ever received from this site has not worked flawlessly! and not one of these emulators are the "three" he kept complaining about.

This was my whole point,not every link I gave was to only 3 emulators and to claim over 2 million sites were was completely foolish and a newbish statement no matter how many times he posted it. And for CarpeSol to make his troll statement after I took the other one to school show exactly how newbish and troll speak he has dropped into this conversation when it clear he is as much in the dark as his buddy.


All I can say to the two of them is for them to either go into the light, or spend the rest of their lives in the darkness of ignorance.

7215.11.2009 8:17

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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
ok Daniel_1 & Zippy DSM you are both completely off topic but i may have a solution for you both.Daniel_1 find a link to a working xbox emulator 1 you have personally tried and post the link it saves Zippy from arguing about it.As for feeding trolls if you feed a troll and show it some kind words it might become your friend.

Back on topic i didnt know it was illegal to import or distribute modchips for the course of a business. ok ive red section 296ZB and it is actually an offence.some laws are so stupid.
Fine. Then he can go here and get his emulator http://www.everything4360.com/?hop=milleniumb as nothing I have ever received from this site has not worked flawlessly! and not one of these emulators are the "three" he kept complaining about.

This was my whole point,not every link I gave was to only 3 emulators and to claim over 2 million sites were was completely foolish and a newbish statement no matter how many times he posted it. And for CarpeSol to make his troll statement after I took the other one to school show exactly how newbish and troll speak he has dropped into this conversation when it clear he is as much in the dark as his buddy.


All I can say to the two of them is for them to either go into the light, or spend the rest of their lives in the darkness of ignorance.
I feel sorry for people who give their cc to random hack sites. As for your "all purpose 360 heaven", it's a known scam site. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/596625

Edit: He's not just a troll. He's promoting a site that rips people off.
This message has been edited since its posting. Latest edit was made on 15 Nov 2009 @ 8:20

7315.11.2009 8:42
Daniel_1
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ok Daniel_1 & Zippy DSM you are both completely off topic but i may have a solution for you both.Daniel_1 find a link to a working xbox emulator 1 you have personally tried and post the link it saves Zippy from arguing about it.As for feeding trolls if you feed a troll and show it some kind words it might become your friend.

Back on topic i didnt know it was illegal to import or distribute modchips for the course of a business. ok ive red section 296ZB and it is actually an offence.some laws are so stupid.
Fine. Then he can go here and get his emulator http://www.everything4360.com/?hop=milleniumb as nothing I have ever received from this site has not worked flawlessly! and not one of these emulators are the "three" he kept complaining about.

This was my whole point,not every link I gave was to only 3 emulators and to claim over 2 million sites were was completely foolish and a newbish statement no matter how many times he posted it. And for CarpeSol to make his troll statement after I took the other one to school show exactly how newbish and troll speak he has dropped into this conversation when it clear he is as much in the dark as his buddy.


All I can say to the two of them is for them to either go into the light, or spend the rest of their lives in the darkness of ignorance.
I feel sorry for people who give their cc to random hack sites. As for your "all purpose 360 heaven", it's a known scam site. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/596625

Edit: He's not just a troll. He's promoting a site that rips people off.
Again with the newbish attacks. Are you ever going to grow up? I was asked for one site and I gave you one site with WORKING EMULATORS and just as soon as I did I knew you two children would say something about it because you cannot help yourselves. Making newbish statements is in your DNA. While I will bet that CarpeSol (and maybe Zippy) can't help BUT answer back to this post all because he(they?) have to have the last word and then we can see exactly who really is the troll here. Watch and see.....

7415.11.2009 21:13

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Originally posted by doveman:
Well, section 296 of that act gives the copyright owner the same rights to sue someone for importing or selling a device "the sole intended purpose of which is to facilitate the unauthorised removal or circumvention of the technical device", as they have for copyright infringement (basically copying), so they could in theory sue an individual who imports a single mod chip for private use if they could show that his actions had cost them money.

Your DVD player clearly wouldn't be covered by this.

Something else to be aware of is that the same section makes someone liable to be sued who "publishes information intended to enable or assist persons to remove or circumvent the technical device."

So section 296 opens the possibility of civil action being taken but section 296ZB creates criminal, imprisonable, offences. Whilst they generally only apply to businesses, they do also make it an offence to distribute a circumvention device, or promote, advertise or market "a service the purpose of which is to enable or facilitate the circumvention of effective technological measures.", " otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the copyright owner

Nope, then you would be in error. Using your logic means that ALL Tivo's or VHS tapes or even computers (because they can inport audio/video from a PPV channel and place it on a dvd) would be illegal based on the simple fact that they can capture a valid audio/video signal and allw you to migrate said audio/video to another form and be able to watch it later with friends or alone. Same would be for iPhones and Zunes and any other form of phone or mp3 player that can replay audio or video.

The idiots that made these laws are so ignorant as to not understand that the US Supreme Court Betamax decision already ALLOWS for us to make another copy of our purchased games-cd's-movies for our own use and ALLOWS us to have the means to do so. If that means having a modded game station or a program like Slysoft AnyDVD along with DVD Shrink or DVDNextCopy, then there is not a damn thing that the authorities can do about it. I know this for a fact as my attorney is a movie buff and has one room built in his house for movies that he legally buys. He then makes a copy of the movie and places the original in a safe place (his room) and watches the copy so he does not have to worry about the original becoming damaged. He does the same with his cd's so the originals dont get stolen. Someone turned him in for copying these (he thinks it was someone he beat in court and has it narrowed down to two people) and he had to go before a federal judge and explain his actions. Once the Judge found out what he was doing and that there was no proof that he was selling anything, the judge threw the case out with prejudice (that means they can never file a like case against him ever again) as what he was doing is perfectly legal. They also tried to get him because he owned dvd copying programs and the judge looked at them (MPAA/RIAA) and said "it makes no sense to say you can make a copy of a dvd for your own personal use as the Supreme Court has already ruled, and then turn right around and deny the public the same programs that allow them to do this. Case Dismissed with Prejudice"


Where this guy got afoul of the law was that he was SELLING them. Now if he would have just set them up and asked for a DONATION of the cost to send it to you...then he would not have been in violation of anything as the laws clearly only make these illegal when you have them with the intent to sell. If you are giving them away for donations then you are not selling them are you? At least this is how it works under US and Canadian Law

Do you think that you could provide the case info that this lawyer was involved in. What i mean is "Name vs. State/Federal District" Case # and perhaps venue for posterity's sake. I would LOVE to have this decision in my arsenal. We really do need to arm ourselves rather than relying on others to protect us. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

7516.11.2009 0:14
Daniel_1
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Sure SoulGlow, it is called

Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984) also known as the "Betamax case", is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States which ruled that the making of individual copies of complete television (and now cd's and dvd's legally purchased for your own personal use) shows for purposes of time-shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use. The Court also ruled that the manufacturers of home video recording devices, such as Betamax or other VCRs (referred to as VTRs in the case), cannot be liable for infringement.


Supreme Court of the United States
Argued January 18, 1983
Reargued October 3, 1983
Decided January 17, 1984
Full case name Sony Corporation of America et al. v. Universal City Studios, Inc., et al.
Citations
464 U.S. 417 104 S. Ct. 774; 78 L. Ed. 2d 574; 1984 U.S. LEXIS 19; 52 U.S.L.W. 4090; 220 U.S.P.Q. (BNA) 665; 224 U.S.P.Q. (BNA) 736; 55 Rad. Reg. 2d (P & F) 156
Prior history
Unfair competition claims dismissed, 429 F. Supp. 407 (C.D. Cal. 1977); judgment for defendants, 480 F. Supp. 429 (C.D. Cal. 1979); affirmed in part, reversed in part and remanded, 659 F.2d 963 (9th Cir. 1981); rehearing denied, 9th Circuit, 1982; cert. granted, 457 U.S. 1116 (1982); reargument scheduled, 463 U.S. 1226 (1983)
Subsequent history Rehearing denied, 465 U.S. 1112 (1984)

Holding
Manufacturers of home video recording machines (and now including cd and dvd recorders) could not be liable for contributory copyright infringement for the potential uses by its purchasers, because the devices were sold for legitimate purposes and had substantial non-infringing uses such as making copies of legally purchased cd's-dvd's for own personal use). Personal use of the machines to record broadcast television programs (and now includes dvd and cd copying for personal use) for later viewing constituted fair use. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed.
Court membership
Chief Justice
Warren E. Burger
Associate Justices
William J. Brennan, Jr. · Byron White
Thurgood Marshall · Harry Blackmun
Lewis F. Powell, Jr. · William Rehnquist
John P. Stevens · Sandra Day O'Connor

Case opinions
Majority Stevens, joined by Burger, Brennan, White, O'Connor
Dissent Blackmun, joined by Marshall, Powell, Rehnquist

Laws applied
17 U.S.C. § 101 et seq. (Copyright Act of 1976)


Does this help?

7616.11.2009 1:33

hey thats cool. But i really meant your lawyers/friends case. Mainly cuz it provides precedent. this will help too. To all reading this board you would be wise to copy this info. Where we are all headed in this brave new world this might be your saving grace should shit hit the fan.

7716.11.2009 11:12
Daniel_1
Inactive

Originally posted by SoulGLOW:
hey thats cool. But i really meant your lawyers/friends case. Mainly cuz it provides precedent. this will help too. To all reading this board you would be wise to copy this info. Where we are all headed in this brave new world this might be your saving grace should shit hit the fan.

I know...but why give you puppy advice and I can give you the BIG DOG advice? They could excuse my lawyers/freinds case as a flash in the pan...but there is no way in hell they can ignore a US Supreme Court Ruling!!

7817.11.2009 5:29

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.


7917.11.2009 9:09
Daniel_1
Inactive

Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.
I already did. I have this on my Wii unit as well as a playstation emulator and an Atari one. I also have quite a bit of the small games on cd and they play very well thank you.

I gave you lists of where to find these emulators. Not my problem if you are not able to make it work as quite a few of the people who installed it correctly HAVE been able to make it work. Otherwise none of these sites would still be there.

So maybe the people who cannot seem to get this to work should update their computer skills instead of complaining to the ones that DID make it work. Ya think?

8017.11.2009 13:18

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.
I already did. I have this on my Wii unit as well as a playstation emulator and an Atari one. I also have quite a bit of the small games on cd and they play very well thank you.

I gave you lists of where to find these emulators. Not my problem if you are not able to make it work as quite a few of the people who installed it correctly HAVE been able to make it work. Otherwise none of these sites would still be there.

So maybe the people who cannot seem to get this to work should update their computer skills instead of complaining to the ones that DID make it work. Ya think?
Or you who can not prove a functioning Xbox emulator(outside the 360 of course) exists are completely wrong and the world is correct in saying that there is not one. Most of the the time you see when a single person goes against the world...they are crazy fools.... I should know I iz at least crazy ^^.

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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8117.11.2009 17:11
Daniel_1
Inactive

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.
I already did. I have this on my Wii unit as well as a playstation emulator and an Atari one. I also have quite a bit of the small games on cd and they play very well thank you.

I gave you lists of where to find these emulators. Not my problem if you are not able to make it work as quite a few of the people who installed it correctly HAVE been able to make it work. Otherwise none of these sites would still be there.

So maybe the people who cannot seem to get this to work should update their computer skills instead of complaining to the ones that DID make it work. Ya think?
Or you who can not prove a functioning Xbox emulator(outside the 360 of course) exists are completely wrong and the world is correct in saying that there is not one. Most of the the time you see when a single person goes against the world...they are crazy fools.... I should know I iz at least crazy ^^.
See what I mean. it is encoded in their DNA. You still have the foolish notion that just because YOU cannot make it work, that the rest of the world cannot either. Let us know when you want to join us in reality for a discussion. Mine is working fine Zippy, if you cannot get it to work then maybe you should just not worry about it.

8217.11.2009 17:37

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.
I already did. I have this on my Wii unit as well as a playstation emulator and an Atari one. I also have quite a bit of the small games on cd and they play very well thank you.

I gave you lists of where to find these emulators. Not my problem if you are not able to make it work as quite a few of the people who installed it correctly HAVE been able to make it work. Otherwise none of these sites would still be there.

So maybe the people who cannot seem to get this to work should update their computer skills instead of complaining to the ones that DID make it work. Ya think?
Or you who can not prove a functioning Xbox emulator(outside the 360 of course) exists are completely wrong and the world is correct in saying that there is not one. Most of the the time you see when a single person goes against the world...they are crazy fools.... I should know I iz at least crazy ^^.
See what I mean. it is encoded in their DNA. You still have the foolish notion that just because YOU cannot make it work, that the rest of the world cannot either. Let us know when you want to join us in reality for a discussion. Mine is working fine Zippy, if you cannot get it to work then maybe you should just not worry about it.
The trouble is...no one but you can it to work...there go its all in your head.

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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8318.11.2009 0:49
Daniel_1
Inactive

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.
I already did. I have this on my Wii unit as well as a playstation emulator and an Atari one. I also have quite a bit of the small games on cd and they play very well thank you.

I gave you lists of where to find these emulators. Not my problem if you are not able to make it work as quite a few of the people who installed it correctly HAVE been able to make it work. Otherwise none of these sites would still be there.

So maybe the people who cannot seem to get this to work should update their computer skills instead of complaining to the ones that DID make it work. Ya think?
Or you who can not prove a functioning Xbox emulator(outside the 360 of course) exists are completely wrong and the world is correct in saying that there is not one. Most of the the time you see when a single person goes against the world...they are crazy fools.... I should know I iz at least crazy ^^.
See what I mean. it is encoded in their DNA. You still have the foolish notion that just because YOU cannot make it work, that the rest of the world cannot either. Let us know when you want to join us in reality for a discussion. Mine is working fine Zippy, if you cannot get it to work then maybe you should just not worry about it.
The trouble is...no one but you can it to work...there go its all in your head.
Yet again with your newbish statements. How can you be sure that nobody has been able to get it to work, have you ASKED each and every one of them? No? Then you CANNOT say what you have said unless you state clearly that it is your opinion and yours alone. Thats the problem with you kids, you seem to think that just because you cannot do something that no one can.


And as usual, you will respond back with some newbish unprovable remark so lets stop feeding your little troll. I have one that works. I gave you where I found it. You refuse to even try and make the dubious claim that no one else can get it to work either, even though anyone with any sense knows this just is not true and that just because you cant do something does not mean someone else cannot do it either.


So you can reply to this and show everyone exactly who the second half of the troll brothers really is, or you can have a brainstorm and come to the understanding that there are people who can do what you cannot and keep silent about it

8418.11.2009 0:56

Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.
I already did. I have this on my Wii unit as well as a playstation emulator and an Atari one. I also have quite a bit of the small games on cd and they play very well thank you.

I gave you lists of where to find these emulators. Not my problem if you are not able to make it work as quite a few of the people who installed it correctly HAVE been able to make it work. Otherwise none of these sites would still be there.

So maybe the people who cannot seem to get this to work should update their computer skills instead of complaining to the ones that DID make it work. Ya think?
Or you who can not prove a functioning Xbox emulator(outside the 360 of course) exists are completely wrong and the world is correct in saying that there is not one. Most of the the time you see when a single person goes against the world...they are crazy fools.... I should know I iz at least crazy ^^.
See what I mean. it is encoded in their DNA. You still have the foolish notion that just because YOU cannot make it work, that the rest of the world cannot either. Let us know when you want to join us in reality for a discussion. Mine is working fine Zippy, if you cannot get it to work then maybe you should just not worry about it.
The trouble is...no one but you can it to work...there go its all in your head.
Yet again with your newbish statements. How can you be sure that nobody has been able to get it to work, have you ASKED each and every one of them? No? Then you CANNOT say what you have said unless you state clearly that it is your opinion and yours alone. Thats the problem with you kids, you seem to think that just because you cannot do something that no one can.


And as usual, you will respond back with some newbish unprovable remark so lets stop feeding your little troll. I have one that works. I gave you where I found it. You refuse to even try and make the dubious claim that no one else can get it to work either, even though anyone with any sense knows this just is not true and that just because you cant do something does not mean someone else cannot do it either.


So you can reply to this and show everyone exactly who the second half of the troll brothers really is, or you can have a brainstorm and come to the understanding that there are people who can do what you cannot and keep silent about it
Yes I and others can say with absolute certainty because it(a working xbox emulator) dose not exsist. Thank you and haz a nice day!

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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8518.11.2009 10:18
Daniel_1
Inactive

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Say what you will, but unless you have been to every link I gave, you CANNOT say they all go back to just three emulators
That is like saying, "Unless you have been everywhere on earth at once, you cannot say there is no such thing as the flying spagetti monster" If there was anything even close to a working xbox emulator, we would all know about it...or at least you would be able to post a link to the working one.
I already did. I have this on my Wii unit as well as a playstation emulator and an Atari one. I also have quite a bit of the small games on cd and they play very well thank you.

I gave you lists of where to find these emulators. Not my problem if you are not able to make it work as quite a few of the people who installed it correctly HAVE been able to make it work. Otherwise none of these sites would still be there.

So maybe the people who cannot seem to get this to work should update their computer skills instead of complaining to the ones that DID make it work. Ya think?
Or you who can not prove a functioning Xbox emulator(outside the 360 of course) exists are completely wrong and the world is correct in saying that there is not one. Most of the the time you see when a single person goes against the world...they are crazy fools.... I should know I iz at least crazy ^^.
See what I mean. it is encoded in their DNA. You still have the foolish notion that just because YOU cannot make it work, that the rest of the world cannot either. Let us know when you want to join us in reality for a discussion. Mine is working fine Zippy, if you cannot get it to work then maybe you should just not worry about it.
The trouble is...no one but you can it to work...there go its all in your head.
Yet again with your newbish statements. How can you be sure that nobody has been able to get it to work, have you ASKED each and every one of them? No? Then you CANNOT say what you have said unless you state clearly that it is your opinion and yours alone. Thats the problem with you kids, you seem to think that just because you cannot do something that no one can.


And as usual, you will respond back with some newbish unprovable remark so lets stop feeding your little troll. I have one that works. I gave you where I found it. You refuse to even try and make the dubious claim that no one else can get it to work either, even though anyone with any sense knows this just is not true and that just because you cant do something does not mean someone else cannot do it either.


So you can reply to this and show everyone exactly who the second half of the troll brothers really is, or you can have a brainstorm and come to the understanding that there are people who can do what you cannot and keep silent about it
Yes I and others can say with absolute certainty because it(a working xbox emulator) dose not exsist. Thank you and haz a nice day!
No you CANNOT say that until you have tried every blinking one and you have not. Therefor your constant attempts to imply that you have or did is a newbish action with a powerful amount of troll tossed in. And yet again you will answer this to have the last word as you just cannot help yourself. Your Troll nature just wont allow you to pass this up

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