Sony warns of upcoming PS3 hardware shortages

Well that explains it. I just spent all morning trying to find a PS3 in my area. All of the Targets, Best Buys, Walmarts, and Gamestops are sold out and have no idea when they will get more.

Found a stack of refurbished 40GB and 80GB PS3s at a Sony Store I walked into, only $200 for the console! Sounded pretty sweet to me, even better if they have a regular warranty...

Originally posted by fgamer:

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I'll be getting rid of it after Heavy Rain and God of War and a few others come out. PSN sucks..Xbox LIVE rules.

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I LOLed

Glad I got mine when Best Buy had the PS3 bundled with a TV, game, and blu-ray deal a few months ago. At that time, they had plenty of PS3.

Why are people looking for a PS3 now? Are there some deals going on?

Originally posted by fgamer:

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I managed to get the last 120GB PS3-Slim in my city. I called every GameStop, Wal-Mart, BestBuy, and any other electronic retailer and they all were sold out...except for SEARS which sold me the last one :) I literally had to beg the woman to hold it until I got there. She was flabbergasted as to why I wanted it so bad. I said it's the last one out of all the stores I checked. I'll be getting rid of it after Heavy Rain and God of War and a few others come out. PSN sucks..Xbox LIVE rules.

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so you wasted time and money only for a couple of games? There was no point of going through all that trouble only to sell the system at a MUCH lower rate down the line

Originally posted by fgamer:

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I managed to get the last 120GB PS3-Slim in my city. I called every GameStop, Wal-Mart, BestBuy, and any other electronic retailer and they all were sold out...except for SEARS which sold me the last one :) I literally had to beg the woman to hold it until I got there. She was flabbergasted as to why I wanted it so bad. I said it's the last one out of all the stores I checked. I'll be getting rid of it after Heavy Rain and God of War and a few others come out. PSN sucks..Xbox LIVE rules.

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LOL.........UGGGGGH...YEAH. Statements like this make you really look smart, intelligent and show that you have a great sense of logic and reasoning skills. You might as well where a sign on your forehead that says DDUUUUUHHH!! LOL What makes you think the PS3 wont have other games to come out that you may enjoy or have games out already that you may enjoy. Its not like you have played every game thats out. When i bought my Xbox360 my first few games where older games that had been out for a while like Gears of War 1, Mass Effect, etc.. My logical reasoning told me that it would make sense for me to get them bc most people spoke very highly of them and also they each had lowered prices bc they were not recent releases. That equals more bang for your buck. When i do get a PS3 i will do the same. Im not going to go out and buy the more expensive uncharted 2 untill i have first played the prequel. But hey...to each his own.
Bottom line you are probably going to miss out on a lot of great games and if you think that way in general you are probably going to miss out on a lot of great opportunities in life in general if you keep a biased, shallow narrow mindset like that.

Originally posted by fgamer:

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Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does

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Originally posted by fgamer:

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I managed to get the last 120GB PS3-Slim in my city. I called every GameStop, Wal-Mart, BestBuy, and any other electronic retailer and they all were sold out...except for SEARS which sold me the last one :) I literally had to beg the woman to hold it until I got there. She was flabbergasted as to why I wanted it so bad. I said it's the last one out of all the stores I checked. I'll be getting rid of it after Heavy Rain and God of War and a few others come out. PSN sucks..Xbox LIVE rules.

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LOL.........UGGGGGH...YEAH. Statements like this make you really look smart, intelligent and show that you have a great sense of logic and reasoning skills. You might as well where a sign on your forehead that says DDUUUUUHHH!! LOL What makes you think the PS3 wont have other games to come out that you may enjoy or have games out already that you may enjoy. Its not like you have played every game thats out. When i bought my Xbox360 my first few games where older games that had been out for a while like Gears of War 1, Mass Effect, etc.. My logical reasoning told me that it would make sense for me to get them bc most people spoke very highly of them and also they each had lowered prices bc they were not recent releases. That equals more bang for your buck. When i do get a PS3 i will do the same. Im not going to go out and buy the more expensive uncharted 2 untill i have first played the prequel. But hey...to each his own.
Bottom line you are probably going to miss out on a lot of great games and if you think that way in general you are probably going to miss out on a lot of great opportunities in life in general if you keep a biased, shallow narrow mindset like that.

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He's just an Xbot who reluctantly admits some PS3 exclusives kick ass.

Maybe he doesn't realize that the PS3 plays blurays without a external drive.

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Originally posted by fgamer:

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I managed to get the last 120GB PS3-Slim in my city. I called every GameStop, Wal-Mart, BestBuy, and any other electronic retailer and they all were sold out...except for SEARS which sold me the last one :) I literally had to beg the woman to hold it until I got there. She was flabbergasted as to why I wanted it so bad. I said it's the last one out of all the stores I checked. I'll be getting rid of it after Heavy Rain and God of War and a few others come out. PSN sucks..Xbox LIVE rules.

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LOL.........UGGGGGH...YEAH. Statements like this make you really look smart, intelligent and show that you have a great sense of logic and reasoning skills. You might as well where a sign on your forehead that says DDUUUUUHHH!! LOL What makes you think the PS3 wont have other games to come out that you may enjoy or have games out already that you may enjoy. Its not like you have played every game thats out. When i bought my Xbox360 my first few games where older games that had been out for a while like Gears of War 1, Mass Effect, etc.. My logical reasoning told me that it would make sense for me to get them bc most people spoke very highly of them and also they each had lowered prices bc they were not recent releases. That equals more bang for your buck. When i do get a PS3 i will do the same. Im not going to go out and buy the more expensive uncharted 2 untill i have first played the prequel. But hey...to each his own.
Bottom line you are probably going to miss out on a lot of great games and if you think that way in general you are probably going to miss out on a lot of great opportunities in life in general if you keep a biased, shallow narrow mindset like that.

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Actually you don't understand me very well. I've already purchased a 60GB PS3 just for a couple of games..then I sold it on Ebay. Next, I purchased a 40Gb PS3 because Wal-Mart at the time was giving away $100 gift card and I wanted MGS4 at that time, sold that one to on Ebay after I was done. Now I bought a 120GB PS3 and WILL sell it after I'm done playing the few must have games I want. You fail to realize I don't give a sh*t about re-purchasing the same console multiple times. I know you may be too poor to handle my purchasing habits, but it doesn't faze me. I don't really care, I'll keep doing it until the console is worth keeps (and at this time it ain't). Now I've always kept my Xbox 360 because that console is actually fun due to Xbox LIVE. Now move along!


Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does, so me selling it and then re-purchasing it 8-11 months later doesn't matter. If Sony would keep a steady stream of games then I wouldn't have to keep getting rid of it.

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you sir are stupid. im sorry but any person that wastes money for the hell of it by buying and selling the same console over and over and over again knowing that he's losing his money is really idiotic.

Originally posted by fgamer:

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Actually you don't understand me very well. I've already purchased a 60GB PS3 just for a couple of games..then I sold it on Ebay. Next, I purchased a 40Gb PS3 because Wal-Mart at the time was giving away $100 gift card and I wanted MGS4 at that time, sold that one to on Ebay after I was done. Now I bought a 120GB PS3 and WILL sell it after I'm done playing the few must have games I want. You fail to realize I don't give a sh*t about re-purchasing the same console multiple times. I know you may be too poor to handle my purchasing habits, but it doesn't faze me. I don't really care, I'll keep doing it until the console is worth keeps (and at this time it ain't). Now I've always kept my Xbox 360 because that console is actually fun due to Xbox LIVE. Now move along!

Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does, so me selling it and then re-purchasing it 8-11 months later doesn't matter. If Sony would keep a steady stream of games then I wouldn't have to keep getting rid of it.

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It's not that he's "too poor" to understand you purchasing habits, it's just you purchasing habits are frankly stupid and nonsensical, doesn't matter if you are "rich" or not. If you are going to keep buying PS3 games whenever new games come out, then just KEEP the PS3. I know for FACT you are losing money whenever you sell the console back online (shipping fees and ebay+paypal fees), so really what's the point? Keep the console and get a GameFly subscription, ffs. As for your argument that the console isn't worth keeping, there are 35 million people enjoying PS3 gaming, Blu-ray and Netflix and consider the console worth keeping. Notice I'm not saying anything about the Xbox 360 either, to each his own, but when I see something so ridiculous posted, it's worth responding too.

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Originally posted by fgamer:

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Actually you don't understand me very well. I've already purchased a 60GB PS3 just for a couple of games..then I sold it on Ebay. Next, I purchased a 40Gb PS3 because Wal-Mart at the time was giving away $100 gift card and I wanted MGS4 at that time, sold that one to on Ebay after I was done. Now I bought a 120GB PS3 and WILL sell it after I'm done playing the few must have games I want. You fail to realize I don't give a sh*t about re-purchasing the same console multiple times. I know you may be too poor to handle my purchasing habits, but it doesn't faze me. I don't really care, I'll keep doing it until the console is worth keeps (and at this time it ain't). Now I've always kept my Xbox 360 because that console is actually fun due to Xbox LIVE. Now move along!

Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does, so me selling it and then re-purchasing it 8-11 months later doesn't matter. If Sony would keep a steady stream of games then I wouldn't have to keep getting rid of it.

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It's not that he's "too poor" to understand you purchasing habits, it's just you purchasing habits are frankly stupid and nonsensical, doesn't matter if you are "rich" or not. If you are going to keep buying PS3 games whenever new games come out, then just KEEP the PS3. I know for FACT you are losing money whenever you sell the console back online (shipping fees and ebay+paypal fees), so really what's the point? Keep the console and get a GameFly subscription, ffs. As for your argument that the console isn't worth keeping, there are 35 million people enjoying PS3 gaming, Blu-ray and Netflix and consider the console worth keeping. Notice I'm not saying anything about the Xbox 360 either, to each his own, but when I see something so ridiculous posted, it's worth responding too.

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Actually, it's if he is buying at discounted prices then it is quite likely he is making money. You can't argue that he is losing money and state it as a fact if you do not know the price of which he bought and sold it at. BTW buyer pays shipping fees on ebay.

Even if he is losing $20 on each sale the warranty would make up for it. If any machine is neglected for 8+ months it is reasonable to say that it will not work. Doing what he has done ensures that he always has a warranty when he is in possession of it, relinquishing the possibility of a $120 repair.

Also, you have to take into consideration of what is the point of keeping something that you may never use again? It will just lose value. If he purachases/sells the console 3 times he will lose $100 tops. If he buys the console at close to launch then keeps it for 5 years then sells it he will lose $300+.

Originally posted by xhotboy:

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LOL.........UGGGGGH...YEAH. Statements like this make you really look smart, intelligent and show that you have a great sense of logic and reasoning skills. You might as well where a sign on your forehead that says DDUUUUUHHH!!

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Yeah, because sardonicism on the internet makes you look any "smarter".

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He's just an Xbot who reluctantly admits some PS3 exclusives kick ass.

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Actually you don't understand me very well. I've already purchased a 60GB PS3 just for a couple of games..then I sold it on Ebay. Next, I purchased a 40Gb PS3 because Wal-Mart at the time was giving away $100 gift card and I wanted MGS4 at that time, sold that one to on Ebay after I was done. Now I bought a 120GB PS3 and WILL sell it after I'm done playing the few must have games I want. You fail to realize I don't give a sh*t about re-purchasing the same console multiple times. I know you may be too poor to handle my purchasing habits, but it doesn't faze me. I don't really care, I'll keep doing it until the console is worth keeps (and at this time it ain't). Now I've always kept my Xbox 360 because that console is actually fun due to Xbox LIVE. Now move along!

Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does, so me selling it and then re-purchasing it 8-11 months later doesn't matter. If Sony would keep a steady stream of games then I wouldn't have to keep getting rid of it.
It's not that he's "too poor" to understand you purchasing habits, it's just you purchasing habits are frankly stupid and nonsensical, doesn't matter if you are "rich" or not. If you are going to keep buying PS3 games whenever new games come out, then just KEEP the PS3. I know for FACT you are losing money whenever you sell the console back online (shipping fees and ebay+paypal fees), so really what's the point? Keep the console and get a GameFly subscription, ffs. As for your argument that the console isn't worth keeping, there are 35 million people enjoying PS3 gaming, Blu-ray and Netflix and consider the console worth keeping. Notice I'm not saying anything about the Xbox 360 either, to each his own, but when I see something so ridiculous posted, it's worth responding too./quote]

yall need to seriously lay off his back! to each his own, if he choose s to sell and buy the same thing repeatedly then let him theres no point on bashing him and basing the whole conversion on him all he did was state his opinion on a public forum.

by the way i do agree with him! ive always been a sony fanboy but the ps3 sucks balls. it cant even compare to the 360 when it comes to games. ive got both systems and if i aint had such a prob with loss of profit id sell my ps3 also because right now its literaly collecting dust because i havent touched it in months

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Originally posted by chris4160:

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Actually, it's if he is buying at discounted prices then it is quite likely he is making money. You can't argue that he is losing money and state it as a fact if you do not know the price of which he bought and sold it at. BTW buyer pays shipping fees on ebay.

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I've sold enough on ebay to have to assume that he is losing money. If you post a PS3 on ebay, you have to price it low enough to sell. You have to entice people enough to want to consider buying a used machine over buying new. And the shipping costs would be a bitch.

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If any machine is neglected for 8+ months it is reasonable to say that it will not work.

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What? That's one for the book of silly assumptions. I fired up my NES after 5 years of neglect. Purrs like a kitten. Add my Dreamcast, PS2 and XBOX to the mix....oh yeah, and my HD DVD player...and the SD TV in my basement....oh and the 13" CRT monitor that was in my attic for 4 years (I was testing my friends motherboard).

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Also, you have to take into consideration of what is the point of keeping something that you may never use again? It will just lose value. If he purachases/sells the console 3 times he will lose $100 tops.

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But he does use it again.....and again....and again. Or are you talking about the 8 month death cycle? I don't know where you get a maximum loss of $100 tops, but consider the life of the PS3. If Mr. fgamer keeps this up for the next 3-4 years, I'm sure he will lose a lot more.

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If he buys the console at close to launch then keeps it for 5 years then sells it he will lose $300+.

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He'll make enough to apply to the XBOX 720 for a nice little discount.

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He's just an Xbot who reluctantly admits some PS3 exclusives kick ass.

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No, he's just a spoiled kid. And if he's an adult, then he was a spoiled kid who never grew up.

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Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does.

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You're absolutely right. There's millions of great '360' exclusives on the Xbox.
Gears of War, Halo, Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect... Um...
Yeah.

You must be trolling. What retard purchases a console several times for a couple of games then sells it back?
If it's true, then obviously you have too much time on your hands.

Troll fail/dumbass.

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Actually, it's if he is buying at discounted prices then it is quite likely he is making money. You can't argue that he is losing money and state it as a fact if you do not know the price of which he bought and sold it at. BTW buyer pays shipping fees on ebay.

Even if he is losing $20 on each sale the warranty would make up for it. If any machine is neglected for 8+ months it is reasonable to say that it will not work. Doing what he has done ensures that he always has a warranty when he is in possession of it, relinquishing the possibility of a $120 repair.

Also, you have to take into consideration of what is the point of keeping something that you may never use again? It will just lose value. If he purachases/sells the console 3 times he will lose $100 tops. If he buys the console at close to launch then keeps it for 5 years then sells it he will lose $300+.

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My 400+ feedback also lets me know that he is DEFINITELY losing money, unless he is getting his PS3s for sharply discounted prices, which is of course possible, but doubtful. I haven't touched my PS2 for at least a year and a half, but did so today, booted right up. Also, he is losing money on reselling the games he purchased. As for the argument of buying it at launch and losing over $300, are you kidding me?

Whew! So glad I got my new one for Xmas! And I love it! I heard the Wii's are very hard to find also! Everyones getting their tax returns and a few new toys I guess. LOL

Originally posted by fgamer:

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I managed to get the last 120GB PS3-Slim in my city. I called every GameStop, Wal-Mart, BestBuy, and any other electronic retailer and they all were sold out...except for SEARS which sold me the last one :) I literally had to beg the woman to hold it until I got there. She was flabbergasted as to why I wanted it so bad. I said it's the last one out of all the stores I checked. I'll be getting rid of it after Heavy Rain and God of War and a few others come out. PSN sucks..Xbox LIVE rules.

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I can careless if you're losing money or not but if you have to beg someone to hold the PS3 for you. It usually means you're paying full price for the system. If you paid full price, you have to lose money when selling it back. That's just a fact.

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Originally posted by fgamer:

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Actually you don't understand me very well. I've already purchased a 60GB PS3 just for a couple of games..then I sold it on Ebay. Next, I purchased a 40Gb PS3 because Wal-Mart at the time was giving away $100 gift card and I wanted MGS4 at that time, sold that one to on Ebay after I was done. Now I bought a 120GB PS3 and WILL sell it after I'm done playing the few must have games I want. You fail to realize I don't give a sh*t about re-purchasing the same console multiple times. I know you may be too poor to handle my purchasing habits, but it doesn't faze me. I don't really care, I'll keep doing it until the console is worth keeps (and at this time it ain't). Now I've always kept my Xbox 360 because that console is actually fun due to Xbox LIVE. Now move along!

Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does, so me selling it and then re-purchasing it 8-11 months later doesn't matter. If Sony would keep a steady stream of games then I wouldn't have to keep getting rid of it.

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It's not that he's "too poor" to understand you purchasing habits, it's just you purchasing habits are frankly stupid and nonsensical, doesn't matter if you are "rich" or not. If you are going to keep buying PS3 games whenever new games come out, then just KEEP the PS3. I know for FACT you are losing money whenever you sell the console back online (shipping fees and ebay+paypal fees), so really what's the point? Keep the console and get a GameFly subscription, ffs. As for your argument that the console isn't worth keeping, there are 35 million people enjoying PS3 gaming, Blu-ray and Netflix and consider the console worth keeping. Notice I'm not saying anything about the Xbox 360 either, to each his own, but when I see something so ridiculous posted, it's worth responding too.

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Actually, it's if he is buying at discounted prices then it is quite likely he is making money. You can't argue that he is losing money and state it as a fact if you do not know the price of which he bought and sold it at. BTW buyer pays shipping fees on ebay.

Even if he is losing $20 on each sale the warranty would make up for it. If any machine is neglected for 8+ months it is reasonable to say that it will not work. Doing what he has done ensures that he always has a warranty when he is in possession of it, relinquishing the possibility of a $120 repair.

Also, you have to take into consideration of what is the point of keeping something that you may never use again? It will just lose value. If he purachases/sells the console 3 times he will lose $100 tops. If he buys the console at close to launch then keeps it for 5 years then sells it he will lose $300+.

Originally posted by xhotboy:

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LOL.........UGGGGGH...YEAH. Statements like this make you really look smart, intelligent and show that you have a great sense of logic and reasoning skills. You might as well where a sign on your forehead that says DDUUUUUHHH!!

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Yeah, because sardonicism and on the internet makes you look any "smarter".

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He's just an Xbot who reluctantly admits some PS3 exclusives kick ass.

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My god sanity does still exist. I'd rather sell it before it's devalued while sitting on my shelf collecting dust. Funny thing is they have no clue, like you said If I am losing money or not. I haven't lost money on any of my past PS3's I've sold, lol you guys are ignorant and can beat it. The only one here who still has all his brain cells seems to be *chris4150*. As I've said before don't hate because you guys don't like my buying/selling techniques. Obvsiously it's been working for me because I keep doing it ya edited by ddp!! Furthermore F**K Blu-ray I can give to flips about it. Lastly, if you payed attention I didn't buy another PS3 until 8-10 months or so later..why? Because there wasn't shi* out at the time that interest me. So go sit edited by ddp!!

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the only ignorant person here is you

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-1...=item19b9facee3

look at that. a ps3 slim used is going for $266 MINUS EBAY AND PAYPAL FEES. Which will be something around $230. $230 does not equal $300 (the price of new ps3 exluding taxes). And can a mod do a temp ban on this guy? that last sentence is really uncalled for

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Actually you don't understand me very well. I've already purchased a 60GB PS3 just for a couple of games..then I sold it on Ebay. Next, I purchased a 40Gb PS3 because Wal-Mart at the time was giving away $100 gift card and I wanted MGS4 at that time, sold that one to on Ebay after I was done. Now I bought a 120GB PS3 and WILL sell it after I'm done playing the few must have games I want. You fail to realize I don't give a sh*t about re-purchasing the same console multiple times. I know you may be too poor to handle my purchasing habits, but it doesn't faze me. I don't really care, I'll keep doing it until the console is worth keeps (and at this time it ain't). Now I've always kept my Xbox 360 because that console is actually fun due to Xbox LIVE. Now move along!

Oh yeah, the PS3 doesn't get good games back to back like the 360 does, so me selling it and then re-purchasing it 8-11 months later doesn't matter. If Sony would keep a steady stream of games then I wouldn't have to keep getting rid of it.

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It's not that he's "too poor" to understand you purchasing habits, it's just you purchasing habits are frankly stupid and nonsensical, doesn't matter if you are "rich" or not. If you are going to keep buying PS3 games whenever new games come out, then just KEEP the PS3. I know for FACT you are losing money whenever you sell the console back online (shipping fees and ebay+paypal fees), so really what's the point? Keep the console and get a GameFly subscription, ffs. As for your argument that the console isn't worth keeping, there are 35 million people enjoying PS3 gaming, Blu-ray and Netflix and consider the console worth keeping. Notice I'm not saying anything about the Xbox 360 either, to each his own, but when I see something so ridiculous posted, it's worth responding too.

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Actually, it's if he is buying at discounted prices then it is quite likely he is making money. You can't argue that he is losing money and state it as a fact if you do not know the price of which he bought and sold it at. BTW buyer pays shipping fees on ebay.

Even if he is losing $20 on each sale the warranty would make up for it. If any machine is neglected for 8+ months it is reasonable to say that it will not work. Doing what he has done ensures that he always has a warranty when he is in possession of it, relinquishing the possibility of a $120 repair.

Also, you have to take into consideration of what is the point of keeping something that you may never use again? It will just lose value. If he purachases/sells the console 3 times he will lose $100 tops. If he buys the console at close to launch then keeps it for 5 years then sells it he will lose $300+.

Originally posted by xhotboy:

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LOL.........UGGGGGH...YEAH. Statements like this make you really look smart, intelligent and show that you have a great sense of logic and reasoning skills. You might as well where a sign on your forehead that says DDUUUUUHHH!!

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Yeah, because sardonicism and on the internet makes you look any "smarter".

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He's just an Xbot who reluctantly admits some PS3 exclusives kick ass.

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"I LOLed".

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My god sanity does still exist. I'd rather sell it before it's devalued while sitting on my shelf collecting dust. Funny thing is they have no clue, like you said If I am losing money or not. I haven't lost money on any of my past PS3's I've sold, lol you guys are ignorant and can beat it. The only one here who still has all his brain cells seems to be *chris4150*. As I've said before don't hate because you guys don't like my buying/selling techniques. Obvsiously it's been working for me because I keep doing it ya edited by ddp!! Furthermore F**K Blu-ray I can give to flips about it. Lastly, if you payed attention I didn't buy another PS3 until 8-10 months or so later..why? Because there wasn't shi* out at the time that interest me. So go sit edited by ddp!!

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Aww, look at the angry and frustrated kid. How cute.

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swap $ony for daddy and it could apply to sooooo many sheeple who post in the news topics.

Hardware shortages eh? .. anybody smell a rat here? the damn things have sat on shelves and in warehouses gathering dust these last few years. Any shortage of supply will be purely down to the middle men and $ony creating a false supply problem to artificially bolster the price and create an imagined demand cost push value for the things.

OMG does DVDBack23 have to close all news post regarding sony AGAIN. The fanboys come in hear talking non-sense on how a used item is worth the same as a new item and now we have someone saying that sony purposley is holding back stock.

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the only ignorant person here is you

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Playstation-3-1...=item19b9facee3

look at that. a ps3 slim used is going for $266 MINUS EBAY AND PAYPAL FEES. Which will be something around $230. $230 does not equal $300 (the price of new ps3 exluding taxes). And can a mod do a temp ban on this guy? that last sentence is really uncalled for

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Exactly what I was stating. As a long time seller on eBay, there is no chance he is making money re-selling his PS3s. This is FACT. I will even break down the math.

New PS3 = $300 + (depending on state, 5-9 percent tax) so let's say $20 in tax. So, new PS3 = $320. You play games for a month, the PS3 goes from "new" to "used." Resell on eBay. You find a DUMB buyer (this is hypothetical as you won't find this), who is willing to give you $300 for the console. Subtract $2 for listing fees, $15 dollars for eBay final value fees, and $9 for PayPal fees. $300 - 26 = $274.

Now let's break this down again. You paid $320 for it new. You sold it for $274. You lost $46. Now, let's break it down AGAIN. You have done this same cycle at least 3 times (from what I can gather). $46 x 3 = $138.

Care to argue that one?

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I think they are trying to have people go out and buy one and also doubt there is a shortage.

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Exactly what I was stating. As a long time seller on eBay, there is no chance he is making money re-selling his PS3s. This is FACT. I will even break down the math.

New PS3 = $300 + (depending on state, 5-9 percent tax) so let's say $20 in tax. So, new PS3 = $320. You play games for a month, the PS3 goes from "new" to "used." Resell on eBay. You find a DUMB buyer (this is hypothetical as you won't find this), who is willing to give you $300 for the console. Subtract $2 for listing fees, $15 dollars for eBay final value fees, and $9 for PayPal fees. $300 - 26 = $274.

Now let's break this down again. You paid $320 for it new. You sold it for $274. You lost $46. Now, let's break it down AGAIN. You have done this same cycle at least 3 times (from what I can gather). $46 x 3 = $138.

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I cannot believe that I have to explain this. He said that he is not losing money yet you still continue to argue that he is on the basis of non-discounted price. He bought the console when walmart had the $100 rebate. After one month the discount is over and the price has gone back to $299 (or whatever the price for a 40gb console was back then, it doesn't make a difference). If he sells the ps3 on ebay for $230 he is still making money (the average ebay prices would go back up according to store price). $230-200=$30.

Now let's see how much he would lose if he kept it the whole time. A 60gb ps3 would cost $599 give or take when he bought it. He would be able to sell a 2-3 year old ps3 on ebay for less than $360 now. $599-$360=$239. What's that, he actually saved $101 doing it the way he did it? That's going by your inaccurate, exaggerated prices, though his method would result in a very little loss or even profit. Then you have the advantages of the warranty etc. He would lose more money keeping the ps3 for 3 years then selling it than he would re-purchasing it multiple times! Care to argue that one?

I think you all owe fgamer an apology. Funny that you call him an idiot, yet you are actually wrong.

I guess "certain types" need proof fed to them since it is soooo hard to find this information for themselves (though I honestly doubt it will change anything, anyway to those)

ToysRus ~ Out of stock

EBGamestop ~ Out of stock

BestBuy ~ Out of stock

Target ~ Out of stock

Amazon ~ Limited to 1 purchase per household

Um, yeah ~ these "shortages" are fabricated.../s

By the end of this year the PS3 will pass the 360 in sales and MS will start to show off their NextBox causing more problems for themselves because they have nothing else up their sleeve as Natal will fail.

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OMG does DVDBack23 have to close all news post regarding sony AGAIN. The fanboys come in hear talking non-sense on how a used item is worth the same as a new item and now we have someone saying that sony purposley is holding back stock.

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wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer has artificially created a supply shortage (or an imagined one) to prop up falling prices.

It is a well known economic fact that over supply causes prices and values to fall whereas a shortage (if you are the one controlling the supply) means you can charge pretty much whatever you like for the items you have to sell.. up to the maximum anybody is prepared to pay to get their hands on the goods.

Forgotten the wii situation 2 years ago? .. fleabay sellers were stockpiling them knowing there was going to be a shortage (supply not equal to demand) over the holidays, (we bought 30) and as a result they could charge 2x the retail off the shelf price... The only people who lost were the end consumers..

There are 2 ways to stimulate demand for something in this world, and to keep it's value up.. Make a good product or make a rare product.. simple economics. A rare product will command a higher end shelf price compared to a commonplace readily available product... or there would never be such things as "limited editions"

I guess the PROVEN & FACTUAL increase in sales from/since the PS3 Slim launch have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it then right?

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Oct. 2008 - 190k
Oct. 2009 - 321k

Nov. 2008 - 378k
Nov. 2009 - 710k

Dec. 2008 - 726k
Dec. 2009 - 1.35M

Jan. 2009 - 203.2k
Jan. 2010 - 276.9k

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And those are JUST the sales from the US via NPD for last year vs this year. World Wide makes it even WORSE which just supports/justifies the article even further. Seriously....Some people just have to give it up already. This isn't 2007. Get over it.

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Exactly what I was stating. As a long time seller on eBay, there is no chance he is making money re-selling his PS3s. This is FACT. I will even break down the math.

New PS3 = $300 + (depending on state, 5-9 percent tax) so let's say $20 in tax. So, new PS3 = $320. You play games for a month, the PS3 goes from "new" to "used." Resell on eBay. You find a DUMB buyer (this is hypothetical as you won't find this), who is willing to give you $300 for the console. Subtract $2 for listing fees, $15 dollars for eBay final value fees, and $9 for PayPal fees. $300 - 26 = $274.

Now let's break this down again. You paid $320 for it new. You sold it for $274. You lost $46. Now, let's break it down AGAIN. You have done this same cycle at least 3 times (from what I can gather). $46 x 3 = $138.

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I cannot believe that I have to explain this. He said that he is not losing money yet you still continue to argue that he is on the basis of non-discounted price. He bought the console when walmart had the $100 rebate. After one month the discount is over and the price has gone back to $299 (or whatever the price for a 40gb console was back then, it doesn't make a difference). If he sells the ps3 on ebay for $230 he is still making money (the average ebay prices would go back up according to store price). $230-200=$30.

Now let's see how much he would lose if he kept it the whole time. A 60gb ps3 would cost $599 give or take when he bought it. He would be able to sell a 2-3 year old ps3 on ebay for less than $360 now. $599-$360=$239. What's that, he actually saved $101 doing it the way he did it? That's going by your inaccurate, exaggerated prices, though his method would result in a very little loss or even profit. Then you have the advantages of the warranty etc. He would lose more money keeping the ps3 for 3 years then selling it than he would re-purchasing it multiple times! Care to argue that one?

I think you all owe fgamer an apology. Funny that you call him an idiot, yet you are actually wrong.

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lmao. My point was it doesnot make sense to sell the ps3 in the first place. The guys so shallow minded he would buy a ps3 for some soon to be released games. Well even before those games are realeased I am sure there are other titles already out that are worthy of being played but instead he limits himself to 3 games only to play.

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LOL.........UGGGGGH...YEAH. Statements like this make you really look smart, intelligent and show that you have a great sense of logic and reasoning skills. You might as well where a sign on your forehead that says DDUUUUUHHH!!
Yeah, because sardonicism and on the internet makes you look any "smarter".

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sardonicism doesnot show I have poor reasoning skills though does it? Nor does a guy saying he has money to waste on ps3 that may not even own a car or home. It would be very funny if the guy stays with his mom or something. Kinda like when a guy told me his tv was bigger than mine. I was like ok... But u live in the projects with a big screen tv. That's great reasoning skills. See my point?

Any sensible manufacturer seeing an increase in overall unit sales steps up production, it doesn't start making press releases warning of a coming "shortage"

You or me or anybody could fake up a report saying commodity xxxx is going to have a shortage in a few months for some reason.. it has happened, and it will happen again.. and watch that peoduct become very scarce very quickly.

It happened with sugar and honey in the UK a few years ago, and there was NO actual shortage.. just a couple of "reports" that the supply was low for the season..

People reading this will have raced out and bought themselves a ps3 (them who want one anyways) before the "shortage" hits.. creating a shortage in itself and adding to the impression that there really IS an under supply (empty shelves) when the reality is so different...

It only takes a manufacturer to hold back a weeks production from the distributors at the same time as a press release like this to create an artificial shortage and manufacture some cost-push inflation. The press release on it's own without any tampering with the supply can have the same effect as the panic buying ripples through the supply chain.

Those sales figures are peanuts to a manufacturing concern the size of sony.. a tiny drop in the ocean of their manufacturing capabilities.

strewth.. some people don't understand the basics of global economic strategy and consumer manipulation at all. A mulitnational manufacturer faced with increasing demand can do two things to answer the demand.. it can increase supply or increase price. Often they do both. I'm not saying the retail shelf price will go up, but I doubt very much it will go down either. I think it's an interesting tactic seeing the overall retail sales downturn so far this year. Quite a good way to get something off the shelves.

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Exactly what I was stating. As a long time seller on eBay, there is no chance he is making money re-selling his PS3s. This is FACT. I will even break down the math.

New PS3 = $300 + (depending on state, 5-9 percent tax) so let's say $20 in tax. So, new PS3 = $320. You play games for a month, the PS3 goes from "new" to "used." Resell on eBay. You find a DUMB buyer (this is hypothetical as you won't find this), who is willing to give you $300 for the console. Subtract $2 for listing fees, $15 dollars for eBay final value fees, and $9 for PayPal fees. $300 - 26 = $274.

Now let's break this down again. You paid $320 for it new. You sold it for $274. You lost $46. Now, let's break it down AGAIN. You have done this same cycle at least 3 times (from what I can gather). $46 x 3 = $138.

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I cannot believe that I have to explain this. He said that he is not losing money yet you still continue to argue that he is on the basis of non-discounted price. He bought the console when walmart had the $100 rebate. After one month the discount is over and the price has gone back to $299 (or whatever the price for a 40gb console was back then, it doesn't make a difference). If he sells the ps3 on ebay for $230 he is still making money (the average ebay prices would go back up according to store price). $230-200=$30.

Now let's see how much he would lose if he kept it the whole time. A 60gb ps3 would cost $599 give or take when he bought it. He would be able to sell a 2-3 year old ps3 on ebay for less than $360 now. $599-$360=$239. What's that, he actually saved $101 doing it the way he did it? That's going by your inaccurate, exaggerated prices, though his method would result in a very little loss or even profit. Then you have the advantages of the warranty etc. He would lose more money keeping the ps3 for 3 years then selling it than he would re-purchasing it multiple times! Care to argue that one?

I think you all owe fgamer an apology. Funny that you call him an idiot, yet you are actually wrong.

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Christ you are annoying. Was fgamer your second AD account? Where are any of my prices "inaccurate, exaggerated?" I was giving him the benefit of the doubt saying someone would buy the console for $300, and the numbers still worked.

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Clearly you have never sold on eBay. Additionally, Wal-Mart never had a $100 rebate, they had a $100 gift card that came with the PS3 and had to be used on a different transaction, and that deal lasted for a day at most, so I'm once again doubtful he got in on that.

But chris, being that you know EVERYTHING, clearly (how old are you anyways?), fgamer ALWAYS got the best price for a PS3, ALWAYS managed some type of super deal (buy a PS3 get a free 50 inch Bravia TV) and ALWAYS sold at the highest price, so clearly his strategy was brilliant and we should all bow down.

Again I have to add what about the fact that the PS3 Slim was just introduced before this Christmas and the production run was probably already maxed because of the seasonal purchases?

Also what does Sony have to gain with "forcing" a shortage when they have so much momentum behind them right now? It doesn't make any lick of sense. There is no Slimmer revision coming out. They are not price cutting it so there is no sense there on a forced shortage...which also brings me to say that the price cut down to $299 helped as well with it's massive influx of sales, so again I say ~ it doesn't make ANY sense to do this "shortage conspiracy theory".

Especially when there is verifiable fact that the increased sales support the shortage better than some half-assed opinion/notion of describing a business model of supply/demand in the world wide market. And that Sony is definitely poised to meet or even slightly surpass their 13 Million consoles sold forecast for fiscal year 09.

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Also what does Sony have to gain with "forcing" a shortage when they have so much momentum behind them right now? It doesn't make any lick of sense. There is no Slimmer revision coming out. They are not price cutting it.... And that Sony is definitely poised to meet or even slightly surpass their 13 Million consoles sold forecast for fiscal year 09.

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I don't know if the "shortage" is fabricated or not, but it is more than plausible. You cannot say there would be no benefit from it.

A momentum is just that, a momentum.Anything that goes up, it is bound to come down at some point. Like you say, they are not price cutting it, nothing new, slimmer coming out, the holidays and crazy sales are over...A fabricated shortage would do just that, keep the momentum going and delay the start of the downfall. If the shortage would be artificially created by making everyone believe they're gonna get the last one, so they rush out and empty the shelves, then mission accomplished.
I don't know if that's the case or not, but you cannot say it would not have any benefit by creating an artificial shortage to keep the demand/sales up(even though it sounds like a paradox, it's practice).

Another benefit for a "short supply" product is that they don't have to "adjust" prices according to competition. If MS or Nintendo would slash prices next month, Sony wouldn't have to do so to keep the prices comparable, since they have a product that is in short supply/high demand.

Something similar, not console related, but business related:

http://www.allbusiness.com/manufacturing...g/822780-1.html

http://www.fnbnews.com/article/detarchiv...61§ionid=37

Seems we are not the only people who are thinking the same. I was looking for direct examples of this happening in the past.. came across fair trade consumer complaints sites and a few relating to the global money supply conspiracy.. and.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-9872574-17.html

Don't get me wrong Cyprusrom I understand the point and am not a fool to think it doesn't happen, I just don't agree/see how it would benefit them with titles like Heavy Rain, FF13 and especially GoW3 (to name a few) coming out in the next few weeks. And as far as Sony price dropping to match if competitors do so I don't see that happening as they follow their own strategies and do not go by others lead from my experience. If anything it is quite the opposite in my view as when ~

MS dropped the price on the 360 Pro & Elite...Nintendo did nothing

MS dropped the price on the 360 Pro & Elite again...again Nintendo did nothing

MS dropped the price on the 360 Arcade to below the cost of the Wii...and Nintendo STILL did nothing!

Sony lowers the price of the PS3 to within range of the Wii and Nintendo immediately drops the Wii's price

So Nintendo knows who the bigger threat is and Sony doesn't follow others played cards, they just throw out their own to make their stance known & solidified. The PS3 is almost 1:1 following suit with their previous business model in sales and games as per their previous gens and the PS3 is doing 10 Million, 11 Million and now 13+ Million YoY so I find it hard to believe they will change anything this time around to reach that 10 year 100+ Million goal. But in these economic times you can't absolutely rule anything out, it's just the facts I see that lead me to believe/interpret it as it has more to do with keeping up with the demand of output more than a "conspiracy shortage" coupled with the fall of sales after Christmas since that would be the more important "rush" to make sure supply is met with demand.

I understand your point as well, and I am not really taking any sides, I am just saying is plausible. Nintendo was suspected of doing so to keep prices/demand high:
http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/1074...ge-intentional/

http://reviews.cnet.com/4002-7600_7-6871638.html

They forecasted a sell of 13 million units. Did they do that being faithful that the momentum would keep going based on previous sales(any market gets saturated of a certain product at sometime)? Are they "helping" to keep the momentum going?
If Sony planned on meeting/slightly pass the 13 million mark, you'd think they planned to have enough supplies.

I don't know what the truth is, and obviously is all speculations, but not that far-fetched.

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Seems we are not the only people who are thinking the same. I was looking for direct examples of this happening in the past.. came across fair trade consumer complaints sites and a few relating to the global money supply conspiracy.. and.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-9872574-17.html

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That was a very good article. I guess it depends on what type of fabrication is meant. I don't believe that Sony is outright lying that there is a shortage while there are hundreds of thousands in a factory somewhere. But I would believe it's possible for a Company like them to intentionally not increase output despite growing sales, which would lead to a shortage that is "beyond their control." But at the same time, I agree that Oner has some good points. Not sure about the Wii price drop argument though. IMO Nintendo held firm because there was no need to drop it that early in the game. When the PS3 came within price range, it was about time. The Wii was/is losing steam. I can't reference the article, but it was a few weeks ago (I believe pre-PS3 price drop), where Nintendo's president admitted to not knowing where else to go with the Wii.

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I just don't agree/see how it would benefit them with titles like Heavy Rain, FF13 and especially GoW3 (to name a few) coming out in the next few weeks....

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If the shortage is artificial, then that's not a problem.The consoles can be made available "just in time" for the release of the new games, and would sell like sweet candy in short supply.

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IMO Nintendo held firm because there was no need to drop it that early in the game.

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I also believe that as well 100%, I just didn't state it and thought it would be implied. My bad. @ Cyprus ~ Anything is plausible but like I said the Slim announcement + price drop + holiday season rush + supporting sales seem (to me at least) more understanding of the situation. There's just so many factors in favor of it in my eyes over "corporate conspiracies". I (as well as everyone here) can only go by the information available to reach an assemblance of an opinion so there is no "right or wrong" just conversation of the topic of interest even if there is a difference of view. Nonetheless it's informative and that is what keeps me intrigued and reading others comments, links & etc.

I wasn't even criticising them for it really. IF it is designed and deliberate it's a good way to prop up flagging sales in a global retail downturn. I don't think consumers will particularly like being manipulated in this way (if it is deliberate) but it certainly won't be the first time such a thing has been done.

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Christ you are annoying. Was fgamer your second AD account? Where are any of my prices "inaccurate, exaggerated?" I was giving him the benefit of the doubt saying someone would buy the console for $300, and the numbers still worked.

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The original purchase price is inaccurate, he said that he bought the console at a discounted price. Yet you still argued that he did not, how would you know?

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Clearly you have never sold on eBay. Additionally, Wal-Mart never had a $100 rebate, they had a $100 gift card that came with the PS3 and had to be used on a different transaction, and that deal lasted for a day at most, so I'm once again doubtful he got in on that.

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Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. In Australia the rrp for the xbox 360 arcade is $299. Last Christmas most stores had them on sale for $199. The arcade prices on ebay during this time were usually $160. Now that the price has gone back up to $299 the arcade console is about $250 on ebay (proof).

Also, I find it funny how when somebody disproves your point you immediately go for personal insults. Shows a lack of intelligence.

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Also, I find it funny how when somebody disproves your point you immediately go for personal insults. Shows a lack of intelligence.

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Actually, I think it was because fgamer always had a tendency to be rather 'douche-y'...and not just in this article thread. The only lack of intelligence might be even responding to such a person no matter what they claim.

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Aww Chrissy, you know what else I don't like? Little kids like you telling me I have a "lack of intelligence." Take some time to think on it.

You have yet to disprove ANY of my points, as all you proved is that the Xbox 360 was discounted in Australia, when we are talking about the Wii in the United States. It's foolish.

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Christ you are annoying. Was fgamer your second AD account? Where are any of my prices "inaccurate, exaggerated?" I was giving him the benefit of the doubt saying someone would buy the console for $300, and the numbers still worked.

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The original purchase price is inaccurate, he said that he bought the console at a discounted price. Yet you still argued that he did not, how would you know?

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Clearly you have never sold on eBay. Additionally, Wal-Mart never had a $100 rebate, they had a $100 gift card that came with the PS3 and had to be used on a different transaction, and that deal lasted for a day at most, so I'm once again doubtful he got in on that.

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Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. In Australia the rrp for the xbox 360 arcade is $299. Last Christmas most stores had them on sale for $199. The arcade prices on ebay during this time were usually $160. Now that the price has gone back up to $299 the arcade console is about $250 on ebay (proof).

Also, I find it funny how when somebody disproves your point you immediately go for personal insults. Shows a lack of intelligence.

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Dude, just end it. Unless you're speaking based on years of personal experiencing selling on ebay and know how the pricing game goes with ebay's fees and shipping, you have no argument. fgamer made a blanket statement and DVDBack provided solid evidence to counter it. Believe who you want - that's your choice. I personally believe the facts presented, especially since I too have had experience buying and selling consoles on ebay.

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Dude, just end it. Unless you're speaking based on years of personal experiencing selling on ebay and know how the pricing game goes with ebay's fees and shipping, you have no argument. fgamer made a blanket statement and DVDBack provided solid evidence to counter it. Believe who you want - that's your choice. I personally believe the facts presented, especially since I too have had experience buying and selling consoles on ebay.

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Emu, it's not even the fact that Chris is just flat out wrong (which he is), it's also the fact that in his first posts, fgamer said he eventually wants to own the PS3 "for keeps." I've proven that he's losing at least $40 per console flip (not to mention on the games), so by the time he eventually purchases the console to keep, it will have cost him a pretty premium. Apparently this is to hard to understand for Chris.

But.. and heres a but.. If they suddenly dry up on the retailers shelves and he has one "surplus" then there is a possibility to make a fine profit off some desperate "must have it today" fool.

The "shortages" people are reporting are probably being caused by the "fast buck" merchants all bulk buying hoping to sell for above retail on the auction sites in a couple of weeks.

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But.. and heres a but.. If they suddenly dry up on the retailers shelves and he has one "surplus" then there is a possibility to make a fine profit off some desperate "must have it today" fool.

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True. I guess it depends on how long it takes him to finish Heavy Rain. Although I highly doubt he puts any thought of timing into this.

Overall, fgamer could not be losing money if he bought his PS3 during the $100 discount periods--it has happened a few times. But he is wrong in saying he hasn't lost money on any of his purchases. He definitely lost money on his latest purchase. Having to call around and begging someone to keep the last PS3 usually means he's paying full price for it unless he's going into that store with a gun and robbing them haha.

Hey guys.. I just noticed.. here we have a civilized console topic.. must be a first XD

(given we do have somebody who at first look seems like an idiot.. but that's his problem eh?)

Wheres zippy in all this?.. "consumers champion" hides from topic making claims of "consumer exploitation" .. now that's a good headline.

A news item told us of discounting PS3 and Xbox 360 consoles, so people who going to purchase decided to wait, so no or slow movement, some even thought a newer model was soon to be released, so decided to wait. Slow or no console sales, also meaning no game and accessory sales, a bit of panic in board rooms, so, what is done, announcing a shortfall in components to make the consoles, so mad rush to buy the console and not miss out. Several years ago, no many, many years ago, a rumour went around that the spaghetti crop in Italy failed, so a rush on spaghetti ensured, many people didn't know that spaghetti is made from Durum Wheat. Some years later, a rumour of a toilet paper shortage, there was, because people panic bought.Yes, I am cynical, I know, but I don't get scammed easily. Having met and dealing with some people, you soon learn to be skeptical Just my rant..

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You're a flat out idiot. Firstly, where the *bleep* is this "little kid" *bleep* coming from? I've served my country, I broke my neck protecting my country, I don't deserve to be called a "little kid" by a pompous bureaucrat. Who the *bleep* are you to think you are better than anybody else just because you "run" a half-ass internet site? People like you make me sick.