Mac vs. PC ads may be coming to an end

It's about time these commercials are coming to the end because they have been conditioning the sheepeople to accept one sided arguments and criticism without questioning or criticizing the other party. This also coincides with other aspects of life where questioning and thinking are not favored such as the government/politics and everything else that is truly important in life and which deserves the fundamental right of questioning and discovering the truths instead of the being told dis-informed lies.

i know why apple made those ads to bash XP and Vista especially Vista but there's not that much about 7 to bash so they just have to move on

Originally posted by xyqo:

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i know why apple made those ads to bash XP and Vista especially Vista but there's not that much about 7 to bash so they just have to move on

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exactly

Originally posted by embo22000:

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Originally posted by xyqo:

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i know why apple made those ads to bash XP and Vista especially Vista but there's not that much about 7 to bash so they just have to move on

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exactly

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the sad thing is..people actually buy into this shyt..

LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.

Aw thats a shame i loved some of these commercials. i thought they where funny.

The ads while sometimes entertaining were filled with one sided half-truths, exaggerated mis-information and downright lies. I know many that ended up buying macs believing that Macs can never get infected, compromised, or had any issues or crashes. I had to hold back my laughter when people would come to me with their Macs that they installed Windows on because MacOS would not run the software they wanted or they did not want to buy new software and they were infected and to find out they had no security or antivirus software what so ever. Then they would say things like "But I thought Macs didn't get viruses"

While apple generally makes quality products they are far from being perfect and they can be victims of security flaws if someone wants to take the time to break into them. The problem is less people care to because more people use Windows so they go after the majority. I wonder how many holes and problems MacOS would have if they were the majority and was the primary target of Malware and hackers.

Originally posted by ruff469:

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LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.

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i doubt it, you don't shut down a real *nix head.

What does windows have apple doesn't.....GAMES!!!

with some tweaking you can set up linux to Play almost ALL OpenGL games, and with some major line editing a hand full of modern DX Based games.

Originally posted by ruff469:

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LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.

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Linux fanboys are worse than Mac Fanboys. They even argue amongst themselves which of the many flavors of linux is the best.

I'm a mac but, imovie is awful.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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Originally posted by ruff469:

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LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.

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i doubt it, you don't shut down a real *nix head.

What does windows have apple doesn't.....GAMES!!!

with some tweaking you can set up linux to Play almost ALL OpenGL games, and with some major line editing a hand full of modern DX Based games.

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When was the last time a major OpenGL game was released? Linux is a pain imho unless you like doing a lot of commands. Sure there is GUI, but ultimately you'll end up having to do a lot of commands. Install packages to install packages etc etc...

Linux is very niche

Originally posted by zarlaan:

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Linux is a pain imho unless you like doing a lot of commands. Sure there is GUI, but ultimately you'll end up having to do a lot of commands. Install packages to install packages etc etc...

Linux is very niche

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What the 'fanboys'discuss most is: which distribution is easiest for Windows users to switch to. The major distributions use a nice, colored ascii screen to ask several simple questions, then install either the GNOME or KDE desktops (which are OOUI, as MacOS is). They install, by default, a nice selection of the same applications that come with Windows or MacOSX, and a nice windowed application lets one install or un-install any of 25,000 professional applications. Any security patches or program enhancements are offered in a little window, as Apple offers; but you can view the details and skip any you don't need.

This takes about 2 GB, as opposed to Windows 7's 20 GB, so you can download an ISO file and burn a CD to boot GNU/Linux & nice applications, for a test drive. My granddaughter helped me install Debian GNU/Linux on her 15-year old laptop when she was six, and she loves the educational applications specifically written for it. (She loves playing 'Go' against it, though she finds the chess engines too difficult to beat - unlike Apple's.)

BTW, in 1985 I counted over a dozen operating system I had worked with, so I decided then to stick with Unix, just for simplicity.

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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The ads while sometimes entertaining were filled with one sided half-truths, exaggerated mis-information and downright lies.

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Oh, Psah. Those I saw were accurate and funny.

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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I know many that ended up buying macs believing that Macs can never get infected, compromised, or had any issues or crashes.

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They can get infected, they just haven't. Probably the lack of Active-X controls and security by obscurity. There was a Trojan only too familiar with Windows users, but it only irritated some people.

http://www.securemac.com/

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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I had to hold back my laughter when people would come to me with their Macs that they installed Windows on because MacOS would not run the software they wanted or they did not want to buy new software and they were infected and to find out they had no security or antivirus software what so ever. Then they would say things like "But I thought Macs didn't get viruses"

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MacOSX never has had a virus. Yes, many new Mac users think Apple is a software company. It's not: it's a hardware company that offers minimal, though elegant, software, as IBM, DEC, CDC, &c did with mainframes long ago.

The thousands of applications are mostly free (recompiled from Linux), and available on a dozen or so malware-free archives. Two archives (MacUpdate & VersionTracker) offer automatic updates.

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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While apple generally makes quality products they are far from being perfect and they can be victims of security flaws if someone wants to take the time to break into them. The problem is less people care to because more people use Windows so they go after the majority. I wonder how many holes and problems MacOS would have if they were the majority and was the primary target of Malware and hackers.

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Probably more than zero, which they have now. When I used them, Apples had trouble with changes in the code of FlashPlayer & even earlier Mac drivers written by companies, which was an irritation. However, Apple started deviating greatly from BSD 4.3 with MacOSX 10.4, hardening it's then good security (especially recently).

Because Apple doesn't have contracts to display people's advertisements, and hasn't Active-X controls, I'd guess it would remain more secure than Windows. (How are IE users in Germany & France coming along?)

Though 'MacScan' is available, it hasn't much to do. I prefer keeping nasty things out, so I installed the free snort NIDS, & clamXav sentry, and had them throw up a window & ring a siren if anything untoward tried to enter. (This, admittedly, requires some familiarity with computing.) Nothing passed the firewall but spam & phish, which was automatically whisked away to the appropriate site.

You do make a very good argument why MS should be prohibited from donating to schools and other 'MS Youth' movements. Complete ignorance of how computers work isn't especially a good thing.

http://www.us-cert.gov/
http://secunia.com/advisories/

Now, if only those ATT ads would go away TV would be worth watching again...

Just in case all you Windows and Mac boys have not discovered it yet, real men run Linux.

I confess... I enjoyed those Apple vs PC ads. I laughed at them because they were so misinformed :)

"Apple is planning to move on"....?? to what is moving?

Originally posted by voyager:

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"Apple is planning to move on"....?? to what is moving?

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Moving on to attacking other competitors like Adobe and Google it seems with their unwarranted lock outs on things like flash and google docs for their iTouch, iPhone, iPad OS.

At least it seems that way

Linux is for serious computing.
Windows is for business, gammers and people who either don't think they have an alternative or are too invested in it to change.
Mac if for designers, artists and people who either understand industrial design or want to pretend that they do.

Originally posted by FXEF:

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Just in case all you Windows and Mac boys have not discovered it yet, real men run Linux.

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...and granddaughters who love kitty cats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berry_Linux

Originally posted by Gneiss1:

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Originally posted by FXEF:

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Just in case all you Windows and Mac boys have not discovered it yet, real men run Linux.

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http://yui.mine.nu/berry/image/berry-0.59-06.jpg

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Linux really isn't suitable for the average person.

Among other things you can't run the Adobe suites and Gimp just isn't up to Photoshop.

But for those programs that were written for it, (like Nuke) it's great.

Originally posted by robertmro:

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But for those programs that were written for it, (like Nuke) it's great.

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...and Pac-Man! :-)

Those who are not average, and don't want to buy PhotoShop to brighten their snaps, could check the Wikipedia for gThumb. I place a shoot in a labeled folder, then use gThumb to check for good shots, crop, change size, brightness, contrast, hue (uses ICC profiles), color saturation, &c. Having an HP printer, I use the HPLIP toolkit, though the CUPS drivers suffice. Another program will pack photos of various size on letter-sized photo paper; and a third will print parts of photos, to make a mosaic for my wall. (On MacOSX I used a similar, free application.)

However, the Wikipedia and AfterDawn Forums on Linux are better sources of information than I can provide. I refer the interested there and end my clarifications with this post.

Photos I do by borrowing my granddaughter's Aslan, which runs the applications in Berry Linux (or Puppy Linux) as well, along with a typeface editor and desktop publisher. This stresses her 6 GB hard drive, so I sometimes pop on a USB flash drive (to augment virtual memory and those temporary files holding photos).

She wishes me to refer you to some board games she enjoys playing against me, the computer's AI, or an anonymous internet player (games to supplement Pac-Man). She loves the 'Debian Jr' project as well.

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/3/637778#4936255

As a Linux user, I'm not even going to give this the time.

Professional Photographic Editing
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/08/mystery.ars

GNU/Linux Distributions
http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

Actually, because of misconceptions here of Linux (and even Apple's Unix), I break my promise to offer this opinion on the distinction among Windows, Apple, & GNU/Linux.

There are three philosophies of computing touched upon in this news discussion. The oldest is arguably Apple's philosophy of bundling some software that runs that hardware it sells. Apple I admire for its elegance: both hardware & software are state-of-the-art.

The next is the scientific paradigm proposed by a well-known lisp programmer, when at MIT. Like the scientist who is consulted, the programmer who is consulted should own the software he writes: to advance civilization, he offers the source code, freely, to all others, to use and modify. No duplicated effort. Quality improves rapidly. Writing of a Unix clone, GNU, married nicely with a later academic kernel with Unix calls, Linux.

The newest I needn't describe. I've grown to see it as the 'organized crime' philosophy. For this reason, its closed source, and its holding back computing 20 years (IMO), I find no use for it. (I'm not a gamer, though.)

Having been a research scientist, I natually choose the Linux paradigm for scientific work; but I choose Apple just for enjoyment. I run GNU/Linux on an Apple, but it can be run as a second OS on a Windows machine as well. This might be useful if one needs one of the 25,000 free applications, if one programs and needs some examples, or one is more comfortable with working on an OOUI. GNOME has multiple desktops, allowing businesses to match icons on desktops with objects in rooms. (Easy for 'temps' to learn in a few minutes.)

Though every PC part gives its drivers to MS, they don't always offer them to the Linux community. Check first. (Dells are compatible, I'm told.) Or, as with Windows, you can buy a computer with what you want on it; or buy an installation disk (for a nominal price). People comfortable with computers download it free, which may give it the impression of not being a general OS, which it is.

Both MacOSX, GNOME, & KDE (among others) use versions of the 'common desktop environment' agreed upon by computer manufacturers years ago.

Heheh Gneiss1, it's not the first thread I've seen you mention your grandaughter. She sounds like a real character and clever too... a chip of the old block I assume? :)

But those ads were in general misleading. What I loved were the plethora of spoofing take-offs on YouTube and such. Like the "I'm a Mac gamer..." and the young struggling (i.e. not cashed up) PC artist photoshopping the Mac artist the finger. LOL

Macs were a hardware company back in the old desktop publishing heydays but nowadays it's all about designing an image. The ease of making a Hackintosh testify to that... twice the power at half the price.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Heheh Gneiss1, it's not the first thread I've seen you mention your grandaughter. She sounds like a real character and clever too... a chip of the old block I assume? :)

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People say she uses my vocabulary. I really have to mention her, however, because 'Foxglove' is down, and I'm using her little 'Aslan'. (We found Aslan in a dumpster with a fine, running Windows XP Home Edition: the first thing I did was burn a network install from Foxglove, then zero Aslan and install Debian Linux.

Debian has games in which she adds a pair of numbers, and the Penguin shoots them down, &c. One is a computer model of an operable canal lock, another a controllable town water cycle, from rain, tributary, & river to cleaning sewage before putting it back in a river. Several chess problems teach that game. Debian Jr keeps adding to these with updates that surprise her.

However, she is confused. I've been teaching her about how information is represented in a computer, how it's stored, how it flows - in her computer and around the World. She's taking 'Computer Science' in 1st grade now. They're teaching her which buttons to press on Microsoft applications to turn photos into a sideshow. She's embarrassed, I think, that I can't help her with such 'real' computer knowledge. GNOME's controls are trivial.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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But those ads were in general misleading.

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Well, maybe; but isn't it their job to lie to us? My wife actually liked them more than I. The ones I saw reminded me of the black silhouette of snow covered hills in the dark, with two little lamps slowly getting larger, half buried in snow. Then: 'Have you ever wondered how the snowplow driver gets to work? Volkswagen.' Loved it! (To me, VWs turned like a sow on a wet, clay bank.) Those elegant Apple commercials had to have been expensive; and they may have done their job by now.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Macs were a hardware company back in the old desktop publishing heydays but nowadays it's all about designing an image. The ease of making a Hackintosh testify to that... twice the power at half the price.

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Apple optimized its virtual memory in 10.4. As you can tell, we're not much concerned about power around here. Flexibility and synergy are cheaper. (Our camcorder doubles as a tape backup.) I have an original mini-computer's floppy disk the size of a dish towel; and I'd have Foxglove run it if I could find a drive.

Foxglove is a G4 Quicksilver tower. This is because it's the last computer that can run MacOS 9 games, as well as MacOSX and GNU/Linux. It's just strong enough to burn DVDs. I rather like the PPC architecture & OpenGL GPU. Reminds me of vector processors on supercomputers, and SGI workstations. (However, I'll have to compile my binaries on an Intel to distribute them.) Apple's implementation of USB is an embarrassment, though.

Apple doesn't sell software for the Hackintosh; so it's still a hardware company. Jobs, in exile, 'took' BSD 4.3 Unix for his NeXt, & saw the value of OpenGL when starting Pixar. His work is beautiful, and MacOSX was written to compliment new Apples. I appreciate his use of international standards, like ICC's (not USB's). 'Final Cut Pro' has been used to edit major motion films, so that ranks as software for software's sake. (GIMP, for that matter, has been used in Hollywood to restore old movies.)

It might seem ironic that Apple emphasizes security, when Unix was never designed with security in mind. More ironic is that Unix was designed to be ported to any computer (as Linux is), yet Apple sells MacOSX for Apples only. However, one of the problems I'm having diagnosing 'Foxglove' is identifying the exact architecture. Apple wisely has many suppliers of parts, and the machines are actually upgraded week by week, in tiny increments. Amazed me. Recompiling kernels probably keeps them busy.

(Computer consulting was my alternate profession, and diagnosis my specialty. However, my tools are all dispersed, so I'm using my wife's kitchen utensils to repair the Quicksilver. I believe I know the problem; but the solution eludes me - another irony.)

The above might explain my admiration of Apple. This is the first year I've been able to see the 'Masters' golf tournament in 30" VHS! It may be a religious experience for many others as well, so I'll end my compliments here. The GNU/Linux is generally for my work; the MacOSX for the family. :-)

@ Gneiss1,

"Well, maybe; but isn't it their job to lie to us?..."

Sigh... You're in North Cal right? I often get the impression watching and listening to Americans that they see their life through a prism of their consumer products more than any other country. Kind of like how over 50% of them don't accept the reality of evolution through natural selection, crud can have a special reverence for them. Like banging on about childhood and Oreos, Starbucks = good coffee or equating the traditions of sport with Gatorade.

You see yourself as savvy, yet you come from a country where advertising execs have for decades unashamedly stated, "we need to develop a relationship with the consumer from the earliest age possible". In other words, "it doesn't actually matter what we flog, as long a we, in general, program in a life-long attribute of suggestiveness in defenceless children so they swallow whatever we deem as attractive".

I can see that you are obviously frugal Gneiss1, I am genuinely not trying to be personal just generalising. This situation applies in my country too but we just don't seem to describe our lives in terms of the products we are into anywhere near as much.

You might say because of this environment we are more hip to the sales hype... I guess there is some truth to this but does it hold up in the long run? I don't think so. It's via competition that tune folks into the hype... however, we are talking about an environment that bombards citizens incessantly. And some of those copy writers are pretty subtle.

So back to Apple Macs, who offer a more personal experience than PCs. Want to put a face to Apple? Try Steve Jobs, say his name again and again, along with the word genius... better than that decentralised faceless "boring" PC crowd with their plethora of confusing choices; what kind of competition is that? Lifestyle can be bought after all. A guru of advertising was in town the other day, I heard him being interviewed on the radio. He discussed how his mob actually placed subjects in a PET scanner to deeply examine responses to various items. He said that typically the areas of the brain that are involved with religious awe would light up when an Apple Mac consumer was asked to think about their products.

To my mind Apple is not really a hardware company any more. They may not sell software for home-sourced home-built Hackintoshes... but, sure as all get out, their OS and software run on them fine. So I find your argument here immaterial.... they are a consumer lifestyle company nowadays... first and foremost.

But what can a Mac do that a PC can't? Well, nothing really... in fact, a lot less. They can't, in reality, even keep their software exclusive. Sure, they make some quality stuff, but if you (not you personally obviously) need to pay that much to be babied, humoured and "fibbed" to, then go for it... suckers.

And if you're comfortable or even enjoy being continuously bombarded with hype... then lucky you. I'm the kind of guy who has the Adblock Plus addon installed in FireFox, who likes the mute button handy... who actually prefers manufacturers who rely on the quality of their stuff to sell it, not outright over-the-top exaggeration or lying.

Surely you can find a few old G4s lying around in someone's backyard Gneiss1 rather than repair that one? I know of a couple here... but I'm far away in a land where decent public health care is just plain normal and not part of a hysterical "end-time" and demise of capitalism.

Regards.

i have a G5 with a burnt out motherboard, im sure the G4's are different in someway, as to be incompatible.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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@ Gneiss1,

"Well, maybe; but isn't it their job to lie to us?..."

Sigh... You're in North Cal right? I often get the impression watching and listening to Americans that they see their life through a prism of their consumer products more than any other country. Kind of like how over 50% of them don't accept the reality of evolution through natural selection, crud can have a special reverence for them. Like banging on about childhood and Oreos, Starbucks = good coffee or equating the traditions of sport with Gatorade.

You see yourself as savvy, yet you come from a country where advertising execs have for decades unashamedly stated, "we need to develop a relationship with the consumer from the earliest age possible". In other words, "it doesn't actually matter what we flog, as long a we, in general, program in a life-long attribute of suggestiveness in defenceless children so they swallow whatever we deem as attractive".

I can see that you are obviously frugal Gneiss1, I am genuinely not trying to be personal just generalising. This situation applies in my country too but we just don't seem to describe our lives in terms of the products we are into anywhere near as much.

You might say because of this environment we are more hip to the sales hype... I guess there is some truth to this but does it hold up in the long run? I don't think so. It's via competition that tune folks into the hype... however, we are talking about an environment that bombards citizens incessantly. And some of those copy writers are pretty subtle.

So back to Apple Macs, who offer a more personal experience than PCs. Want to put a face to Apple? Try Steve Jobs, say his name again and again, along with the word genius... better than that decentralised faceless "boring" PC crowd with their plethora of confusing choices; what kind of competition is that? Lifestyle can be bought after all. A guru of advertising was in town the other day, I heard him being interviewed on the radio. He discussed how his mob actually placed subjects in a PET scanner to deeply examine responses to various items. He said that typically the areas of the brain that are involved with religious awe would light up when an Apple Mac consumer was asked to think about their products.

To my mind Apple is not really a hardware company any more. They may not sell software for home-sourced home-built Hackintoshes... but, sure as all get out, their OS and software run on them fine. So I find your argument here immaterial.... they are a consumer lifestyle company nowadays... first and foremost.

But what can a Mac do that a PC can't? Well, nothing really... in fact, a lot less. They can't, in reality, even keep their software exclusive. Sure, they make some quality stuff, but if you (not you personally obviously) need to pay that much to be babied, humoured and "fibbed" to, then go for it... suckers.

And if you're comfortable or even enjoy being continuously bombarded with hype... then lucky you. I'm the kind of guy who has the Adblock Plus addon installed in FireFox, who likes the mute button handy... who actually prefers manufacturers who rely on the quality of their stuff to sell it, not outright over-the-top exaggeration or lying.

Surely you can find a few old G4s lying around in someone's backyard Gneiss1 rather than repair that one? I know of a couple here... but I'm far away in a land where decent public health care is just plain normal and not part of a hysterical "end-time" and demise of capitalism.

Regards.

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Wow!

Finding all my (= American) prejudices from one post! That is irony.

I do watch television to preview new channels & shows for my granddaughter (and yesterday, to view the Augusta National Golf Course, which I'd never visited. (I'm an expert on the Teletubbies!) Now, because she has to see commercials on the 'Discovery Channel', we have a game in which she finds the 'trick' hidden in the commercial to try and get one to buy a product. My wife tells me she's very good at it, though she sees only about an hour a day.

Earlier I wrote that I chose Unix and international standards; so I've stuck with MacOSX 10.3 for the family, just because I'm familiar with the /etc files. (Later I'll have to learn Apple's elegant substitute.) Microsoft likes to modify international standards slightly and stick its name on them. (Hard for GNU/Linux to keep up.) However, my avoidance of MS dates long before Linux: it's for ethical reasons, but I believe beginners should find computers intuitive: I'm very fond of the CDE (KDE is a clone), and I find OOUI intuitive: Apple & GNU/Linux offer these.

It may be possible to do everything an Apple can with Windows, but at what cost? At some point I'm going to need to copy the contents of my damaged disk correctly. In less than a minute I can download a repairing, block-by-block copy application onto a GNU/Linux computer. Linux reads & fixes HFS+ formats, and possibly some Windows formats. At the moment, it's easier to recompile an application from Sourceforge for a Mac than Windows, but I keep seeing more binary Windows applications there. In the future, it may be possible to download a free application for Windows, one you need to use only once.

There is a question perhaphs you can answer. I noticed the early Jobs Macs , Sony's PS3, and the Nintendo Wii all use the PPC processor with vector extensions, and MacOSX 10.2 introduced some 3D graphics in OpenGL, which have been growing with versions. Would you gamers have 3D as good as they are now if Apple hadn't incorporated a 3D compositor? Maybe, but I worked with blindingly fast 3D on a little purple SG computer running Unix over 20 years ago, when MS was still selling DOG. Took them a while.

But, all I wrote was a lie: I bought a US$200 used Quicksilver just because I think Steve Jobs is a moral saint; and I drooled over all those PC vs Mac commercials! ...and I avoid Microsoft for ... well, whatever reasons you said.

Capitalist, consuming Colonist
'Greed is Good'


PS. I almost never buy a replacement, I eventually repair the broken one. The repair will require a lot of time, given the parts I have; but it's possible. While basking in my lack of health insurance for a month, someone 'lifted' all the Mac OS discs and recorded over my backup tapes, which didn't help. :-)

Originally posted by DXR88:

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i have a G5 with a burnt out motherboard, im sure the G4's are different in someway, as to be incompatible.

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My apology for suggesting that the G5 doesn't run MacOS 9. (I'll blame that on migraine aura.-) I think it was 10.5 that stopped supporting MacOS 9 (for the childrens' games my wife buys at an ASPCA thrift shop). Want to sell a broken G5?

I originally needed a tower computer to run Unix and burn DVDs. Because my health & current knowledge wasn't up to building one, I just chose a used Apple Quicksilver G4, for engineers had already optimized it to run Unix (MacOSX 10.3); and, I could test free applications on a MacOSX before offering them to the family. (Those early G5 towers that had been part of a distributed supercomputer appealed to me very much, I confess: romantic.)

You're right, the G5's architecture no doubt makes it incompatible with that OS on the optical discs sold with a G4 machine. However, I bought a G4 install disc directly from Apple, to teach & play with my granddaughter by daily video chat, when she lives with in-laws in Europe. Because I'm downgrading that computer, the disc could likely build a 10.4 on most any earlier G3, G4, or G5, both legally & technically. If I had it: my wife assures me our cat took all the Apple discs.

However, your OS may not have been irreparably damaged, which would be nice! (I need iPhoto 6, which allows me to build optical discs of photos, videos, & audio recordings for the family's other iPhotos.) My iLife install disc, purchased from Apple, is currently also in Fang's possession.

My wife has been urging me to just get a fancy computer that does what I need. So, if you're really not keen on repairing the G5, you're welcome to send a message. My granddaughter's little 'Aslan' can repair most HFS+ disk problems. :-)

Bruce

Originally posted by Gneiss1:

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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i have a G5 with a burnt out motherboard, im sure the G4's are different in someway, as to be incompatible.

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My apology for suggesting that the G5 doesn't run MacOS 9. (I'll blame that on migraine aura.-) I think it was 10.5 that stopped supporting MacOS 9 (for the childrens' games my wife buys at an ASPCA thrift shop). Want to sell a broken G5?

I originally needed a tower computer to run Unix and burn DVDs. Because my health & current knowledge wasn't up to building one, I just chose a used Apple Quicksilver G4, for engineers had already optimized it to run Unix (MacOSX 10.3); and, I could test free applications on a MacOSX before offering them to the family. (Those early G5 towers that had been part of a distributed supercomputer appealed to me very much, I confess: romantic.)

You're right, the G5's architecture no doubt makes it incompatible with that OS on the optical discs sold with a G4 machine. However, I bought a G4 install disc directly from Apple, to teach & play with my granddaughter by daily video chat, when she lives with in-laws in Europe. Because I'm downgrading that computer, the disc could likely build a 10.4 on most any earlier G3, G4, or G5, both legally & technically. If I had it: my wife assures me our cat took all the Apple discs.

However, your OS may not have been irreparably damaged, which would be nice! (I need iPhoto 6, which allows me to build optical discs of photos, videos, & audio recordings for the family's other iPhotos.) My iLife install disc, purchased from Apple, is currently also in Fang's possession.

My wife has been urging me to just get a fancy computer that does what I need. So, if you're really not keen on repairing the G5, you're welcome to send a message. My granddaughter's little 'Aslan' can repair most HFS+ disk problems. :-)

Bruce

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I don't mind letting it go its in the attic someware with my old ass tandy, i don't think the HDD is in it as it was a hand me down from my (Step)Brother. every thing else is in it, i was planning on using the case because it just looked cool but learned its not a Standard ATX. (its is the same form factor Just the screw holes are in different points) But by what your saying you need the HDD.

ill look but i don't remember seeing it. Give me a day or too then come hound me at my homepage

Honestly I dont care about any operating system, I just want to use the software on top.

I have had problems not been able to get software for mac, and spent to much time focusing on the operating system in linux.

Windows 7 works with everything I have needed, so i use it.
I dont care which is best, if apple or linux do better I will switch, then probably back again lol

@Gneiss1... you choose to take offence after I explicitly made it clear a number of times that I did not want you to, that I was not talking about you... if you want to wear that hat then so be it.

Remember, it was you that decided to dissect one of my posts that was not specifically directed at you after the first paragraph (and I even complimented you then!).

To me you are just living in the past. I find it bizarre you think that Windoze is unintuitive (including the new Win7), especially compared to Linux. My 70 year mother-in-law has no real problems with it.

I pretty well cover the rest of your arguments in this thread here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cf..._of_suing_apple

But I'll reiterate this... It doesn't matter what Apple have done in the past, it what's happening now that counts. (Btw, the Xbox 360 also uses a PPC cpu.)

And I'll leave you with this story: At my Fiftieth not long ago a couple of my friends chipped in and bought me a Q9400 CPU. Another friend, who happens to be a MacHead remarked, "so I see your going with old technology there Jem". The joker was, of course, referring to the Core i7 CPUs. To which I replied, "Richard, how do you upgrade a Mac?". He shrugged his shoulders. "Buy a new one", I replied. :P

NB: I'm an Aussie so that makes me a "colonialist" too then. :D

Though I'm ready for Linux era. I love watching Apple vs PC ad series.

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Originally posted by bobiroc:

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The ads while sometimes entertaining were filled with one sided half-truths, exaggerated mis-information and downright lies.

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Oh, Psah. Those I saw were accurate and funny.

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I know many that ended up buying macs believing that Macs can never get infected, compromised, or had any issues or crashes.

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They can get infected, they just haven't. Probably the lack of Active-X controls and security by obscurity. There was a Trojan only too familiar with Windows users, but it only irritated some people.

http://www.securemac.com/

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I had to hold back my laughter when people would come to me with their Macs that they installed Windows on because MacOS would not run the software they wanted or they did not want to buy new software and they were infected and to find out they had no security or antivirus software what so ever. Then they would say things like "But I thought Macs didn't get viruses"

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MacOSX never has had a virus. Yes, many new Mac users think Apple is a software company. It's not: it's a hardware company that offers minimal, though elegant, software, as IBM, DEC, CDC, &c did with mainframes long ago.

The thousands of applications are mostly free (recompiled from Linux), and available on a dozen or so malware-free archives. Two archives (MacUpdate & VersionTracker) offer automatic updates.

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While apple generally makes quality products they are far from being perfect and they can be victims of security flaws if someone wants to take the time to break into them. The problem is less people care to because more people use Windows so they go after the majority. I wonder how many holes and problems MacOS would have if they were the majority and was the primary target of Malware and hackers.

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Probably more than zero, which they have now. When I used them, Apples had trouble with changes in the code of FlashPlayer & even earlier Mac drivers written by companies, which was an irritation. However, Apple started deviating greatly from BSD 4.3 with MacOSX 10.4, hardening it's then good security (especially recently).

Because Apple doesn't have contracts to display people's advertisements, and hasn't Active-X controls, I'd guess it would remain more secure than Windows. (How are IE users in Germany & France coming along?)

Though 'MacScan' is available, it hasn't much to do. I prefer keeping nasty things out, so I installed the free snort NIDS, & clamXav sentry, and had them throw up a window & ring a siren if anything untoward tried to enter. (This, admittedly, requires some familiarity with computing.) Nothing passed the firewall but spam & phish, which was automatically whisked away to the appropriate site.

You do make a very good argument why MS should be prohibited from donating to schools and other 'MS Youth' movements. Complete ignorance of how computers work isn't especially a good thing.

http://www.us-cert.gov/
http://secunia.com/advisories/

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*buzzer sound*
WRONG!
Sorry son, but Macs have, and DO get viruses all the time. Actually, macs are increasingly becoming the target of viruses, since increasingly *stupid* people are wasting money on them. the reason they *used* to not get viruses [as much] was because less than 10% of the computer owning population owned them, and hackers and id thieves tend to go after the broader targets.
Here is the truth about macs and pc's.
1- PC stands for "personal computer". so does mac honestly suggest their product is something other than this?
2- Dollar for dollar, PC's are *way* more efficient than a mac. which brings me to:
3- Where can you buy and build a custom mac? Oh yeah... you can't :(
but...
you CAN build a beast of a windows machine, let's say, a quad core processor, 8gb ddr3, 1gb ddr5 gfx card, and a MUCH higher quality cooling system for under 1000 dollars. Try buying a mac that can do that for under 2000 dollars. You can't.
4- PC's can do ANYthing a mac does, better, and faster. With the customizability of a PC, you can make your machine so intensely powerful that it literally makes macs erupt with jealousy.
When I say anything, I mean:
Video processing and editing
Photo processing and editing
Music composition and arrangement, processing and editing
not to mention number 5:
5- on a PC you can PLAY GAMES. Compare the funds needed to play Aeon, WoW, or any graphics intensive game on a PC vs a Mac anyday. How many gamers do you know that play on a quackbook? I mean mac.
6-Torrents! On a PC, you can get a copy of any software, at any time, in a matter of minutes. [granted, this is illegal unless done the proper way]. On a Mac, this feat is tedious.
7- Who buys macs? Yuppies. 'nuff said there.

Anyone with a reasonably intelligent brain care to argue with me?
I put that clause there to eliminate most of the Mac owners :P
But seriously, prove me wrong. Which you can't.