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Bon Jovi blames Apple for 'killing music business'

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 15 Mar 2011 10:58 User comments (44)

Bon Jovi blames Apple for 'killing music business' Jon Bon Jovi has blamed Apple and CEO Steve Jobs today for "killing music" with the success of the iTunes digital music platform.
The lead singer of the band Bon Jovi says "the magical experience" of buying records in brick-and-mortar stores is now disappearing thanks to iTunes.

Says Bon Jovi (via MSN):

Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning it up to 10, holding the jacket, closing their eyes and getting lost in an album; and the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like, and looking at a couple of still pictures and imagining it.

God, it was a magical, magical time. I hate to sound like an old man now, but I am, and you mark my words, in a generation from now people are going to say: 'What happened?' Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business.


Bon Jovi's recent tour (still ongoing), was one of the top earning in 2010.

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115.3.2011 11:18

Agreed. I think going to a store to buy a CD and owning that CD is much more fulfilling then just downloading it off of some virtual music store in shit quality.

215.3.2011 11:34

Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.

315.3.2011 11:42

Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Remember when they tried singles on CD for like $10? Record label fail lol

415.3.2011 11:44

Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
When the digital stores start having audio selections in lossless formats so that you can get CD quality then you will have a valid point of not buying physical media.

Also in this day and age you can buy cds off the internet. You still don't have to physically go to a brick and mortar store if you don't want to.
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515.3.2011 12:12

Also musicians just don't seem to care about quality like they did in the old days. A lot of songs now are garbage on an album. As a teen 20 years ago I could at least count on over 20 bands actually having an entire album I would want on CD, but as the years kept passing on music started sounding the same. Bands borrowed from other bands likeness more and more, dance borrowed from hip hop which borrowed from 80s which borrowed from 60s. Originality paved the way for remakes, and anything that is original still sounds too much like something else.

Maybe I lost my faith in music, but the artists can blame themselves for that. I won't buy from apple's digi-store cause frankly the music I like enough to buy isn't even offered or I already own on CD. Gone are the days as Jovi described, but not all of us have forgotten, and I still think kids can appreciate the albums that matter. Good music will always be good music worth succumbing too; Beetles proved that, and so did a lot of other kings and queens of music throughout the generations.

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615.3.2011 12:23
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People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.

As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!

Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.

Stay objective people.

715.3.2011 12:25

Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because some of the songs and albums some of us lucky enough to have lived in the age of records, tapes, and CDs (age of the album) have become our favorites not because of the hit single from that album, but from the other songs on the album and how they work together to form that album.

Some of my favorite albums are favorites because of the collection of songs that make up the album, not the "hits."

In the digital age, the album is indeed dead. They've been watered down to the "hits" only, where much (if not the vast majority) of the art has been lost.

There never would have been a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" concept album, and artists like Frank Zappa or the Grateful Dead may never have even gotten off the ground in the digital age where you sell only singles.

So... since there actually are Zappas, groups like the Dead, and art/concept albums out there waiting to be discovered - many of those artists are going to die off before they even get started since that kind of art is difficult to financially survive in today's digital age where you must sell empty pop like Britney, Gaga, Beiber, and Kei$ha.

The digital age and selling singles is not an evolution of the old album being bad. The digital age has brought a change in medium, which is in turn is the actual *cause* of today's bad music. Now, what sells is only what's popular - not what's actually good music.
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815.3.2011 12:32

Quote:
When the digital stores start having audio selections in lossless formats so that you can get CD quality then you will have a valid point of not buying physical media.
They do:

High Definition Tape Transfers
B&W Music Club
iTrax
HDTracks
Linn Records
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915.3.2011 12:50

Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...


1015.3.2011 13:40

Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...
HEY. Bon Jovi is 50 times the man that any other man could EVER be.

1115.3.2011 14:08

iTunes provides a chance for artists that aren't "good enough" to be on a label to share their music and make some money off of it.

and i dislike buying a cd for 11.99 and getting only 10 tracks
where on iTunes i can get bonus tracks + a music video and the album covers in PDF.

1215.3.2011 14:10

The digital medium just allows people to hear the trash songs in an album first, instead of having to buy the whole thing on faith in the artist alone. Not every album can be comprised of top 100 hits but, the artists can no longer rely on filler material either. Instead of whining, the artists need to just work harder to make better music and the masses will be reengaged.

I still buy/download full albums (maybe I am a completest, well, that and it is usually cheaper than downloading just the ones I like). 40% of the songs on those albums just take up hard drive space and occasionally get played due to random selection.

1315.3.2011 17:59

Hey Bon Jovi,

Musicland is dead!

It ain't never coming back!

DEAL WITH IT!

1415.3.2011 18:40

Music is dead because of Simon Cowell, X Factor, American Idol, Britain's got Shit Talent, Boy Bands, Disney and gready bastard record companies.

1515.3.2011 18:42

Music is dead because of Simon Cowell, X Factor, American Idol, Britain's got Shit Talent, Boy Bands, Disney and Gready Bastard Record Companies.

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1615.3.2011 19:50

Originally posted by lissenup2:
People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.

As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!

Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.

Stay objective people.
ummmm no again ... you should be more subjective. I USED to like Metallica and enjoyed all of their albums upto the Black Album ...

Napster provided a way for broke college kids to sample the music they enjoyed ...and some they didn't. These same college kids couldn't afford the $20 CD's anyway.

Everyone knows a bands real core followers start early ... like jr high ...or even sooner. The bands/recording artists would invest their sound into the legions of soon to follow die hard fans. Metallica pissed away an entire generation of followers.

Wonder why Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, even Michael Jackson have legions of die hards...they took the time and had the forethought to invest in their base first.

In reality... when those same college kids were alienated by the likes of Metallica...they remembered that when they graduated and became very productive members of society... The ones that bought all the albums they couldn't afford in college. guess what ...they pissed off their fan base ..the ones that worked all week at McDonalds or some shitty restaurant just to buy a concert ticket to sit way in the back....

I also remember when 40-50 dollars you could get a top quality tour shirt and have decent seats ... heh you can't even park for half that nowadays.

Youre probably not old enough to even recognize that. All it takes is a simple photo of the crowds at their concerts. No longer the masses of headbangers and air guitarist ... but weekend harley riders that go to work in their office cubicle in the day time.

Napster started as a much more simple form of music sharing ... much like borrowing your next door dormmates snoop doggystyle cassette or CD and dubbing it. We still purchased the album in due time.

Most importantly .. Music is a novelty and is often received differently from person to person. It catches on like wild fire or dies like a cold snow all based on how it is received. One person who likes it really has the power to share and persuade others to be patient and appreciate it ... or NOT in this case. If your band is in the NOT category ..sorry ... lawsuits are not going to salvage your greedy ass career.

In other words to new and upcoming artists... invest in your base first ...EARN your following and the fruits of your labor will be lifelong ...ask Ozzy.

As far as Steve Jobs and Itunes ... i feel relation between the heirs of the great Sam Walton and Walmart ... maximum profits with as little as possible personalized service. No this wasn't the goal of Sam Walton ..nor do I feel it was the goal of Steve Jobs...but I do feel like Jobs/Apple - Walton Heirs/Walmart sold out the little guy down the river for a few extra peanuts.
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1715.3.2011 22:04
lissenup2
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Originally posted by trainmstr:
Originally posted by lissenup2:
People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.

As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!

Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.

Stay objective people.
ummmm no again ... you should be more subjective. I USED to like Metallica and enjoyed all of their albums upto the Black Album ...

Napster provided a way for broke college kids to sample the music they enjoyed ...and some they didn't. These same college kids couldn't afford the $20 CD's anyway.

Everyone knows a bands real core followers start early ... like jr high ...or even sooner. The bands/recording artists would invest their sound into the legions of soon to follow die hard fans. Metallica pissed away an entire generation of followers.

Wonder why Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, even Michael Jackson have legions of die hards...they took the time and had the forethought to invest in their base first.

In reality... when those same college kids were alienated by the likes of Metallica...they remembered that when they graduated and became very productive members of society... The ones that bought all the albums they couldn't afford in college. guess what ...they pissed off their fan base ..the ones that worked all week at McDonalds or some shitty restaurant just to buy a concert ticket to sit way in the back....

I also remember when 40-50 dollars you could get a top quality tour shirt and have decent seats ... heh you can't even park for half that nowadays.

Youre probably not old enough to even recognize that. All it takes is a simple photo of the crowds at their concerts. No longer the masses of headbangers and air guitarist ... but weekend harley riders that go to work in their office cubicle in the day time.

Napster started as a much more simple form of music sharing ... much like borrowing your next door dormmates snoop doggystyle cassette or CD and dubbing it. We still purchased the album in due time.

Most importantly .. Music is a novelty and is often received differently from person to person. It catches on like wild fire or dies like a cold snow all based on how it is received. One person who likes it really has the power to share and persuade others to be patient and appreciate it ... or NOT in this case. If your band is in the NOT category ..sorry ... lawsuits are not going to salvage your greedy ass career.

In other words to new and upcoming artists... invest in your base first ...EARN your following and the fruits of your labor will be lifelong ...ask Ozzy.

As far as Steve Jobs and Itunes ... i feel relation between the heirs of the great Sam Walton and Walmart ... maximum profits with as little as possible personalized service. No this wasn't the goal of Sam Walton ..nor do I feel it was the goal of Steve Jobs...but I do feel like Jobs/Apple - Walton Heirs/Walmart sold out the little guy down the river for a few extra peanuts.


I'm 37 about to turn 38 at the end of May you putz!

and you rattled such feeble-minded, incoherent gibberish with no merit that I lost interest half way through.

And you must be young because "subjective" is defined as:"pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation"............in other words, HOW YOU SEE IT and not HOW IT IS AS PERTAINED TO THE OBJECT.

So your incompetence basically just stated that I/we should look at this from MY point of view. Get a clue and an education and with that will come a rational thought.

As for the topic at hand, Napster started this and Jobs did not.

And as for Metallica, the black album rocked! It was the next one that lost its meaning and the fanbase. Check your head. You're a waste of my time that now I can't get back..........Shame!

1815.3.2011 22:09

Originally posted by Frogfart:
Music is dead because of Simon Cowell, X Factor, American Idol, Britain's got Shit Talent, Boy Bands, Disney and gready bastard record companies.
i actually saw altiyan on xfactor sing a bon jovi song a lot better than bon jovi sang it.the problem with them types of shows is once every few years they will find a star.inbetween that they wil find people that may be able to sing slightly and try and turn them into stars.

apple didnt kill music.artists and record comapnys let there songs be made digital and sold as digital.personally i dont see why someone would pay $1 for a song when you can find better quality digital versions free.

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1915.3.2011 22:15

i remember going into a blockbuster music if yall can remember that lol and listing to music there but amazon almost is the same as going to brick n mortar you dont get to listen to entire song but you get a clip at least.

2016.3.2011 0:20

Sorry, but CD sales were already declining before iTunes came along...that's just where most of the legal digital distribution went and Apple was smart to capitalize on it. It's the recording industry that got stuck in the past and hasn't been able to catch up.

2116.3.2011 2:42

Originally posted by lissenup2:
People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.

As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!

Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.

Stay objective people.
Agreed Sean Parker is the one who started the change in how we obtain music. There are still record stores around that sell LP's and CD's new. You just have to turn off the computer and get outside and look.

2216.3.2011 2:49

New App that turns your "iPad" into a cassette stereo that Whining Old Man Jon Bon Jovi would approve of.... Just for Fun ;)

http://wrd.tw/goO3mB

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2316.3.2011 3:34

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Remember when they tried singles on CD for like $10? Record label fail lol
LoL, what do you mean trying singles on a CD?

Singles have been done since vinyl records have been out, probably before that too.

2416.3.2011 5:24

Originally posted by shortybob:
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...
HEY. Bon Jovi is 50 times the man that any other man could EVER be.
IMHO, he should stick to killing vamps



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2516.3.2011 6:15

Originally posted by miketrev:
Originally posted by shortybob:
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...
HEY. Bon Jovi is 50 times the man that any other man could EVER be.
IMHO, he should stick to killing vamps
i got a m8 with throat cancer that has a better voice than bon jovi.actually they sound kinda the same.

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2616.3.2011 6:52

Right been there got the T shirt of buying LP and CD's but things move on, i buy less and less, at that is at a time when the CD are coming down in price. I agree buy selected tracks id a far better experience and new to people who listened to the whole CD, but i would put them on tapes with best off so no difference.
So we all move with the times..is part of life..and i should know, i was one of those people who would sit in record shops with head phones on listening to music.. but Times they are a changing..sorry Bon son

2716.3.2011 9:25

No. Wanting us to pay $14.00 for an album that only had one or two good tracks on it is what ruined it. The rest of the album was all filler and sounded like crap! Quit trying to pass-off the blame. That's why, year's ago, they made 45's. So you only had to pay for what you wanted.

2816.3.2011 13:09

So, to shorten the answer, the music business ruined the music business!!

2916.3.2011 13:34

Originally posted by malone78:
So, to shorten the answer, the music business ruined the music business!!
I like that answer the most. The arguing is getting ridiculous.

3016.3.2011 21:55

No, Jon Bon Jovi.. Your wrong.. " The Music business" is dead because you and many other bands ARE SELL OUTS!! Keep releasing crap albums with 1 or 2 good songs and then sell it for an insane price.. Yeah its i tunes fault.. Shame on you..


Franco

3117.3.2011 9:31

Ya beat me to the not being able to sell full albums with just the one good song thing...but yeah that is what's burning their a$$.

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Just my $0.02,

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3217.3.2011 13:27

Dude...... the music industry bubble was heading to burst before Napster and the IPOD.....


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3317.3.2011 19:10

Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because it used to be common thought, if you just purchase a few songs, you may come to like other tunes on the CD.
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

3417.3.2011 19:12

Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because it used to be common thought, if you just purchase a few songs, you may come to like other tunes on the CD.
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

I think 20$ CDs filled with crap did that.....

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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3517.3.2011 19:30

Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

One would think thats a good thing, being poised. Too many youths pretending to be a thug with pants on the ground...wheres the poise in that? I remember back in the day if i wanted music i had to go to the store! Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I wanted an album from the Shelby string quartet, those cats could wail, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

3617.3.2011 20:24

Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

One would think thats a good thing, being poised. Too many youths pretending to be a thug with pants on the ground...wheres the poise in that? I remember back in the day if i wanted music i had to go to the store! Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I wanted an album from the Shelby string quartet, those cats could wail, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
Alltunes.com
I pay between $1.50 to $5.00 for the all the tracks.
Is it legal? I don't know for sure.The server is in Russia so it remains questionable.
No stupid DRM which does nothing that will stop piracy. You can install the music on any device.
That's way it WAS when I was a kid.
Jeff
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3725.3.2011 12:48
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

One would think thats a good thing, being poised. Too many youths pretending to be a thug with pants on the ground...wheres the poise in that? I remember back in the day if i wanted music i had to go to the store! Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I wanted an album from the Shelby string quartet, those cats could wail, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
This is by far the best comment I have ever seen on this forum. Well done sir.

3825.3.2011 17:21

Quote:
Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning it up to 10, holding the jacket, closing their eyes and getting lost in an album; and the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like, and looking at a couple of still pictures and imagining it.

God, it was a magical, magical time.

In that one simple statement, so much is encapsulated about the current state of the music industry. He actually laments people not being able to buy music based on its quality but by how pretty the package is that it's placed in.

3926.3.2011 0:42

Hey lissenup2, or whatever the hell you call yourself, half the forums I visit here on AD your always bashing somebody with your nonsense comments, at 37 as you say you are one usually has grown up by then.

I would your understand your bashing if somebody said something about your Momma or threatened you in some way, but for just offering opinions where the hell do you think come from coming, maybe in growing up Daddy should have givin you a slap upside your head one time and teach you a some manners which you lack.

Every once in a while we all can get a little heated and make a good argument or even go everboard and call somebody an a-hole, were human, but you, you just don't stop.

4026.3.2011 7:51

Originally posted by Mysttic:
Also musicians just don't seem to care about quality like they did in the old days. A lot of songs now are garbage on an album. As a teen 20 years ago I could at least count on over 20 bands actually having an entire album I would want on CD, but as the years kept passing on music started sounding the same. Bands borrowed from other bands likeness more and more, dance borrowed from hip hop which borrowed from 80s which borrowed from 60s. Originality paved the way for remakes, and anything that is original still sounds too much like something else.

Maybe I lost my faith in music, but the artists can blame themselves for that. I won't buy from apple's digi-store cause frankly the music I like enough to buy isn't even offered or I already own on CD. Gone are the days as Jovi described, but not all of us have forgotten, and I still think kids can appreciate the albums that matter. Good music will always be good music worth succumbing too; Beetles proved that, and so did a lot of other kings and queens of music throughout the generations.
Not all artists are like that especially indies who have the freedom to put together a great album. I think it is the industry that has ruined their own business through greed and stupidity. They are the ones that insisted on 128 BR for downloaded files which Jobs complained that was too low. Then to make the most money with what he had they bundle ear buds that are so low quality you can't hear the difference between lossless and 128.

4126.3.2011 8:10

Originally posted by pirkster:
Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because some of the songs and albums some of us lucky enough to have lived in the age of records, tapes, and CDs (age of the album) have become our favorites not because of the hit single from that album, but from the other songs on the album and how they work together to form that album.

Some of my favorite albums are favorites because of the collection of songs that make up the album, not the "hits."

In the digital age, the album is indeed dead. They've been watered down to the "hits" only, where much (if not the vast majority) of the art has been lost.

There never would have been a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" concept album, and artists like Frank Zappa or the Grateful Dead may never have even gotten off the ground in the digital age where you sell only singles.

So... since there actually are Zappas, groups like the Dead, and art/concept albums out there waiting to be discovered - many of those artists are going to die off before they even get started since that kind of art is difficult to financially survive in today's digital age where you must sell empty pop like Britney, Gaga, Beiber, and Kei$ha.

The digital age and selling singles is not an evolution of the old album being bad. The digital age has brought a change in medium, which is in turn is the actual *cause* of today's bad music. Now, what sells is only what's popular - not what's actually good music.
Interesting...

The digital age as freed artists from bondage to the industry. Because you don't need the industry to make and sell your CDs or vinyl indies can survive on their own existing on their pure merit.

Music is subjective and appeals to your intellect so one size does not fit all. Kids having little sophistication prefer simple primitive music. I think that is fine. It is good music for them and bad music for me. The undiscovered Pink Floyds and Zappas are out there but you will not find them at the Apple shop.

Try Kitaro. He is not R&R but his albums are to be played as an album. I prefer Silk Road and Spiritual Garden. I need to be in the mood for him and that only happens when I am frazzled so much I can't think.

4226.3.2011 8:32

Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:


Alltunes.com
I pay between $1.50 to $5.00 for the all the tracks.
Is it legal? I don't know for sure.The server is in Russia so it remains questionable.
No stupid DRM which does nothing that will stop piracy. You can install the music on any device.
That's way it WAS when I was a kid.
Jeff

No it can't be legal because the licensing costs more than that. However, you didn't do anything illegal to get your music. I may check it out that is a fair price. Because the industry does not get their cut it is even more attractive to me. Are the tunes 128 BR?

4326.3.2011 8:55

Originally posted by lissenup2:


I'm 37 about to turn 38 at the end of May you putz!

and you rattled such feeble-minded, incoherent gibberish with no merit that I lost interest half way through.

And you must be young because "subjective" is defined as:"pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation"............in other words, HOW YOU SEE IT and not HOW IT IS AS PERTAINED TO THE OBJECT.

So your incompetence basically just stated that I/we should look at this from MY point of view. Get a clue and an education and with that will come a rational thought.

As for the topic at hand, Napster started this and Jobs did not.

And as for Metallica, the black album rocked! It was the next one that lost its meaning and the fanbase. Check your head. You're a waste of my time that now I can't get back..........Shame!
That is only your point of view. You seen to have a problem with an opinion that differs from you. I don't think you opinions have any masterful incite that everyone else has missed. You are untitled to you opinion but I do not think piracy has does a much harm as many believe.

The industry would not have gotten that money anyway. People have a budget for entertainment. Students with no money could listen to all the music they liked. People will not spend money they don't have or rob banks to pay for their music. When I was a teen there were always a few LPs on sale for 3 USDs at the local shop. Now, it would cost me 20. What piracy as done is allowed another generation to enjoy music which they would not have because the industry has priced themselves out of the market. As their personal economy improves they will buy more. Me personally, I used to only buy 1-2 CDs per year. Now it is closer to 10. If I find a great album I prefer to buy the CD but I would never spend 20 just to see if I liked it.

4426.3.2011 11:20

The RIAA has already hammered the last nails in the coffin in their feeble minded attempts to manufacture talent.The industry are the ones responsible for killing music. Tossers

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