I can confirm that with mirakagi and fairuse4wm, you CAN rip the DRM from the music. I did it just fine and converted to MP3 files.

EDIT- BTW, I used FairUse4WM version 1.3fix-2

Nice, Thanks for the great news!

Does anybody think this will get shout down because now you can take out the drm? This is more like a music renting service because of the drm either way it's free,easy, has no viruses and has a great selection of music! Also why is it called spiralfrog?

Originally posted by albino92:

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Does anybody think this will get shout down because now you can take out the drm? This is more like a music renting service because of the drm either way it's free,easy, has no viruses and has a great selection of music! Also why is it called spiralfrog?

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1. Who knows. Although Napster, Itunes, etc. are still in business and it's not like their music can't have the DRM removed.
2. Yes, it is free. Although, you can make it not a rental with the removal of the DRM.
3. Who knows what's with the name. Look on their site to see if they say anything about it.

EDIT- Grammer

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Alright thanks and have you tried this out, i think it rocks! I haven't even seen any ads, downloads are a bit slower than p2p, but hey it's legal and free!

So are P2P sites like limewire not safe? Not for viruses, I mean, but from lawsuits? Is this new site just less frowned upon by the RIAA, and therefore safer to use as far as getting slapped w/ a suit? Serious questions.

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Yeah my cousin got caught with Limewire, you just need to not share your songs and you can't download like a lot of files at the same time.

I'm gonna try this service out now, I got an invite from an admin.

It's the best service i hope it doesn't get shut down.

Originally posted by WierdName:

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I can confirm that with mirakagi and fairuse4wm, you CAN rip the DRM from the music. I did it just fine and converted to MP3 files.

EDIT- BTW, I used FairUse4WM version 1.3fix-2

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Hey can you put some kind of tutorial on how to use this and put a link on where to download it thanks.

Originally posted by albino92:

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Hey can you put some kind of tutorial on how to use this and put a link on where to download it thanks.

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I don't know if I can get in trouble for posting a direct link but just search on your favorite site for fairuse4wm 1.3fix-2 and mirakagi. Or, you may only need to search for mirakagi because I got the fairuse4wm 1.3fix-2 in the same zip file. Mirakagi will recover more keys that are needed by fairuse4wm.

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Alright thanks

Well i was able to find fairuse4wm but not mirakagi the only place you can get that is via torrent so i guess i'll have to do that.

Hey i downloaded it and it works like a charm. I just have a few questions and they might be stupid to you but i'm new to this whole drm stuff. Is fairuse4wm illegal and is the quality on the song equivalent to that of itunes plus drm-free music? And when itunes converts the songs it puts it into .m4a format (is that better than or equal to mp3s?) and it puts it into 128 kbps for the bitrate, is that good? And one more thing, is there any way spiralfrog can catch users doing this and ban thier membership? Thanks in advance. Also this is a perfect method for anyone who wants to try this.

1.Download all the music you want from spiralfrog
2.Convert with fairuse4wm to another folder
3.Open itunes and select open folder and then it will convert all your songs into itunes format (if you have thousands of free songs from spiralfrog leave your computer overnight)
4.Update to mp3 player and all songs will have album art and will be stored in itunes music folder in .m4a format and 128kbps.
5.Now you can delete your spiralfrog songs and the drm-free ones but DONT delete the ones in the itunes folder.

Have a good time downloading!

I researched more on itunes plus and it has twice the amount of bitrate than the spiralfrog songs or normal itunes songs, but 128 is fine and you can't even tell the difference from that and cd audio. So then i decided maybe i can upconvert the spiralfrog songs but you converting mp3s to higher bitrate will do nothing more than add space. But, maybe spiralfrog will come up with their own type of itunes plus where you have to watch click on ads to get drm free 256kbps songs.

The SpiralFrog tracks are constant(I think) at 190Kbs. 128Kbs is lesser than that so you are downgrading the quality by converting to that. You can't really tell the difference over standard, lesser quality headphones but you can tell the obvious difference between CD quality and a 128Kbs track on good headphones or over loud speakers. The 128Kbs track will start to sound choppy, crackly, kinda like an old record without the popping. CD audio quality will still sound clean though. If you are just using regular headphones that didn't cost some $50+ then you shouldn't really tell the difference. A 190Kbs is higher quality than the 128Kbs, but it does create a larger file size.

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yeah i guess when itunes converts the songs to .m4a file it puts it into 128kbps but i couldn't tell the difference, so should i use a another converter so that it will stay at 196kbps or should i stay away from the trouble and have itunes do it for me? Thanks.

Well you can keep it at 128Kbs if you want. If you can't tell the difference on whatever your using to listen to it, and won't be playing it on anything of higher quality, then you can just leave it at that bitrate because you will have a smaller file. If you want to change it to another bitrate though, you should be able to in Itunes settings. Look around in the settings for conversion settings. And is it just me or should there be another thread for this stuff?

EDIT- Where would a SpiralFrog conversion support thread go anyways? For that matter, is it even allowed?

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Alright thanks, well i just checked my spiralfrog downloads and they are at 128kbps so itunes doesn't downgrade it and i'm pretty sure i'll leave it at that. Also is fairuse4wm illegal?

I don't know if fairuse4wm is legal, but I'm thinking there is a good possibility is isn't considering it's "circumventing copy protection." As for the bitrate, I didn't know it was 128Kbs. You can just leave it at that because upgrading would just give you a bigger file yet the same quality.

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alright thanks

Has anybody been checking out this site lately, if so what do you think about it? It doesn't seem too popular.

It's been ok for me. I have found myself gathering songs from other places but it had some stuff. It is also in it's pre-launch stage though so they may add more artists later.

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Yah hopefully more people will start using it when it launches and it won't go out of business.

Hey, WierdName, how'd you convert to mp3? When I tried, it said something like "can't convert protected files without a license."

Originally posted by jondoh:

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Hey, WierdName, how'd you convert to mp3? When I tried, it said something like "can't convert protected files without a license."

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Well first I had to use FairUse4WM to actually remove the DRM before converting. Just search the net for FairUse4WM and mirakagi. You will use mirakagi to retrieve the keys that FU4WM will use to remove the DRM. The output WMA file you will then convert to MP3 with whatever program you want.