Originally posted by jove:

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i wonder why hughjars is so combative with everyone?

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I think its his job.?

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Originally posted by jove:

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i wonder why hughjars is so combative with everyone?

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I think its his job.?

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Seems like it. Because hes quite passionate about it. he clearly attacks everyone with a paassin. And i noticed sony seems to be his biggest enemy. Not panasonic or any other company behind blu ray...
tell me im wrong...

Originally posted by jove:

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i wonder why hughjars is so combative with everyone?

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I think he's like a lot of us that get tired of all the misinformation from the BR camp. HD-DVD has it's misinfo too, but as you can see here there are MANY more one-sentence "BR pwns! BR T-Bags HD-DVD!" type people... that's how that crap spreads.

And it's nice to have some clarity every now and then.

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Originally posted by jove:

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i wonder why hughjars is so combative with everyone?

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I think its his job.?

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Seems like it. Because hes quite passionate about it. he clearly attacks everyone with a paassin. And i noticed sony seems to be his biggest enemy. Not panasonic or any other company behind blu ray...
tell me im wrong...

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No hughjars is the spokesman for HD-DVD. He hates anything he doesn't support. I respect all peoples opinion but hes to extreme for my liken.

So after all that back and forth what do we have?

HD DVD may have the technical advantage.
HD DVD may have the cheaper players and the advantage in standalone sales.
HD DVD may have the slight advantage in potential catalogue and studio support.
However, the Nielsen numbers have shown YTD and SI figures that favor BluRay in the small HDM market.

What does this mean in the long run? We can only speculate as the game is still early in the first quarter.

I for one will continue to support both formats and enjoy HD movies. As long as I get the movies I want to see on either format it really doesn't matter who wins. So what if one or both formats becomes obsolete in the future? What matters is I enjoy the movies today. Carpe diem folks!

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wonder why hughjars is so combative with everyone?

I think he's like a lot of us that get tired of all the misinformation from the BR camp. HD-DVD has it's misinfo too, but as you can see here there are MANY more one-sentence "BR pwns! BR T-Bags HD-DVD!" type people... that's how that crap spreads.

No hughjars is the spokesman for HD-DVD. He hates anything he doesn't support. I respect all peoples opinion but hes to extreme for my liken.

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There are ways to put your point forward without eliciting the response that he's been getting from the BR side. There's a way to start a lively, respectful, and meaningful debate and there's a way to respond to "one-sentence type people" without eliciting more of the same responses. Stooping down to their level and not taking the high road in your posts is just NOT the way to do it.

Originally posted by elfman12:

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I think he's like a lot of us that get tired of all the misinformation from the BR camp.

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- Correct.

I'm a regular punter like anyone else who got sick of those lying b*stards trying to lie to and manipulate me.

Some people seem not to care about that (or worse like it if it's a company they 'support') but I do.

That's the problem with their viral poison, it's always simplistic, often deeply ignorant and, amusingly when it's as fake as this campaign has been, ultimately counter-productive because the truth will out.
They reap what they sow.

Originally posted by elfman12:

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And it's nice to have some clarity every now and then.

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- Thank you (and you are far from alone in letting me know you appreciate my comments & info).

Originally posted by juankerr:

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Stooping down to their level and not taking the high road in your posts is just NOT the way to do it.

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- Juankerr you're making the mistake in presuming most of the Blu-ray fanclub here are interested in debate.

Clearly they are not, they are here because they (try not to laugh to hard now) 'love' Sony, the PS, the PSP, the PS2 & the PS3 and want to 'support' them and their beloved format(s).

As far as they are concerned they believe everything they ever read on the likes of Blu-ray.com and anyone who dares to question or refute that idiotic fanboy nonsense just has to (a) 'hate ' Sony and (b) be an HD DVD fanboy.

It's pretty tragic really but that is how much of this so-called 'debate' is.

It's more a misinformation campaign than anything.
They continually spread false info about what HD DVD can do and what Blu-ray can do.
But I do take a perverse pleasure in correcting their ridiculous BS.

You can aways tell when a PR campaign has run out of steam and has nothing left to say, inevitably they start slamming the opposition with lies and half truth, just as BD have done for an age now.

Since the start of this year (2007) and CES Blu-ray have done nothing but attempt to bury HD DVD under a ton of their absurd BS.

A few examples include their invariably claiming pending developments would never come (like 51gb TL discs or the Chinese players) or else it was things like them claiming HD DVD's moves towards the mass-market through things like sub $200 (nevermind sub $100) pricing would either never come or be matched by Blu-ray (it wasn't).

Then there was the stack of repeated misinformation about how people like Universal were going format neutral at any moment or how about that laughable BS about an XBox 360 Blu-ray add-on?

None of this kind of lying BS, by the way, was ever matched by similar coming from the HD DVD side.

hughjars: I agree that's there's misinformation and propaganda on both sides.

But the way you respond to the other side only invites a more belligerent response. Everything escalates and the issues get lost in personal insults and worse. (This is exactly what happened when the HDM sections of avsforums was shut down for a while.) You can be a good spokesman for HD DVD but the way you come across can put off some people and diminishes the impact and perceived veracity of your argument:

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wonder why hughjars is so combative with everyone?

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hughjars: I agree that's there's misinformation and propaganda on both sides.

But the way you respond to the other side only invites a more belligerent response. Everything escalates and the issues get lost in personal insults and worse. (This is exactly what happened when the HDM sections of avsforums was shut down for a while.) You can be a good spokesman for HD DVD but the way you come across can put off some people and diminishes the impact and veracity of your argument:

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wonder why hughjars is so combative with everyone?

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If its anyone thats here with Misinformation & a Bunch of BS its him thats why he come across rude to people because he expect us to believe all the lies & BS he learn from AVS forum that he hangs around.I don't need to hang around forums to find out stuff because if i don't own it i sell it at bestbuy.He claim to bring truth but have yet to own up that Blu-Ray has out HD-DVD everyday this year but like him its aways some PR spin like he do in all his posted like the attachment rate bull.Most of the people here knows that there are BS coming from both side but he don't see that, in his eyes Toshiba never do anything wrong but its always was BDA(Sony) fault.He was the only one that rant & raved this format war was over when Paramount became exclsive to HD-DVD & when Venturer announce there 200 HD-DVD player if theres anyone here that he should point the finger to its himself.Because everything he has said came back to bite him in the ass.

Here is a what im talking about ex:

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Then there was the stack of repeated misinformation about how people like Universal were going format neutral at any moment or how about that laughable BS about an XBox 360 Blu-ray add-on?

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No one from BDA camp said this crap it came from Microsoft mouth who backs HD-DVD.

Originally posted by PeteMoore:

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However, despite the obvious preference for HD-DVD, it seems Microsoft isn't willing to completely tie its fate to the format just yet. During CES 2006, Microsoft's Xbox corporate VP of worldwide marketing and publishing Peter Moore told Japanese site ITmedia that a Blu-ray Xbox 360 peripheral could appear for the system if the need arises. Moore admitted that Microsoft isn't sure of the next-generation format war's outcome, with the worst-case scenario being a repeat of the Beta vs. VHS war of the '80s.

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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142137.html


This is what im talking about he is misguided & always looking to blame something on Sony.

NexGen. Fine post. I'm not going to waist my time providing info to him as it is a waist of time. He does not care. blu-raystats shows 172 movies on Blu-Ray disk use the 50gig disk. Hug says above " (and keep it to yourself that the majority of Blu-ray releases are on their single layer 25gb discs, eh?

Keep the people ignorant seems to be the Blu motto and anyone exposing their lies and PR BS just has to be a 'fanboy'.
Pathetic.)"

Is he telling the truth. Yes. 47% of Blu's movies are on the 50gig disk. Is he twisting the truth. Yes. Reading his statement would lead you to beleive that there are very few Blu movies on the 50gig disk. If you beleive everything that he says, then he has done his job.

But it does not matter. As he will state, it is early in the game, so it does not matter. I'm through with this thread, but i will check back to see if my earlier question got answered.

Wow, can't post any articles here relating to any HD news without creating a firestorm of off the topic posts.

I have to agree though, with Sony having 1,000,000 + PS3's out there, capable of playing their Blu-Ray format, you would think that the lead would be much higher.

Originally posted by goodswipe:

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Wow, can't post any articles here relating to any HD news without creating a firestorm of off the topic posts.

I have to agree though, with Sony having 1,000,000 + PS3's out there, capable of playing their Blu-Ray format, you would think that the lead would be much higher.

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You can come here & post your opinion & i don't mind weather it for or against Blu-Ray but it has come to a point whenever someone speak something good about Blu-Ray they are attacked & treated like a lair.This trolling Blu-Ray post got to stop.I love to see things from different views & not have someone force there views on me or anyone else in this forum.

True NextGen76, I know what you mean but, the same thing happens with HD-DVD. When a news article is released on there side, the same thing happens. You end up with a shit storm of posts that go off topic, usually due to someone bashing HD-DVD. Anyways, I wish the madness would end...lol.

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You can come here & post your opinion & i don't mind weather it for or against Blu-Ray but it has come to a point whenever someone speak something good about Blu-Ray they are attacked & treated like a lair.This trolling Blu-Ray post got to stop.I love to see things from different views & not have someone force there views on me or anyone else in this forum.

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SOrry, man. There's no way a reasonable person can read through the messages in THIS THREAD ALONE and not see that the main attacks emanate from mostly BR fanboys. When they are responded to, you call that an attack? Get real man, I've not attacked anyone personally, and I'm in no way trolling. So try and find a way to deal with dissent... which you seem to see as an attempt to "force" you to think one way or another. If that can happen, then you must be VERY gullible. (but I'm sure you're not, so just chill)

elfman12 you're missing the point.

When the Blu-ray fanclub say they have been "attacked" that's it.
They can call everyone else a fanboy or claim they must work for a side in this or (laughably) claim you must 'love' or 'hate' a CE corporation or make bitchy sad little side comments to other posters.

But that's ok for them to do that.

If nextgen76 works in his out-of-school hours stacking shelves at Best Buy then he must be a total expert in all of this.
Very funny.

It's all true, it was on Blu-ray.com
(which amusingly I know even Sony are regretting having anything to do with & are finding it an embarrassing Frankenstein right now).

When they tell you what you've previously said, that's it (even if it is utterly wrong)

I never did say 'Blu-ray has lost when Paramount went HD DVD exclusive'; I did say that Blu-ray could no longer win.
That's not quite the same thing & obviously too subtle a difference that some find too hard to grasp.
Still why spoil that rant letting a few facts get in the way, eh?

It doesn't matter how they misrepresent or lie about it all tho cos they wish to keep things slanted in a 'just so' manner - although rather amusingly when called on it repeatedly we occasionally see one of them start to flip-out (like has happened here).

It just gets funnier and funnier tho.

I see "a majority" is now being twisted to mean "very few".
Hysterical.

They actually make fun of themselves (if they had the wit to see it) in the end.

What they really 'hate' tho is that their viral marketing BS gets taken apart & torn to shreds day-in day-out.
They really can't abide being reduced to spouting personal opinion, which, when the facts are rationally presented, is all they really have left.

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You can come here & post your opinion & i don't mind weather it for or against Blu-Ray but it has come to a point whenever someone speak something good about Blu-Ray they are attacked & treated like a lair.This trolling Blu-Ray post got to stop.I love to see things from different views & not have someone force there views on me or anyone else in this forum.

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SOrry, man. There's no way a reasonable person can read through the messages in THIS THREAD ALONE and not see that the main attacks emanate from mostly BR fanboys. When they are responded to, you call that an attack? Get real man, I've not attacked anyone personally, and I'm in no way trolling. So try and find a way to deal with dissent... which you seem to see as an attempt to "force" you to think one way or another. If that can happen, then you must be VERY gullible. (but I'm sure you're not, so just chill)

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You must be guilty because i don't know why you even speaking my name i haven't made one post with your name on it.Plus this stuff has been going on for a while now its just a few of them & they now who they are.Your right there are more BR fan-boys bashing you guys in this post but this isn't half of the countless posts Hughjars & his minions have wreaked.Go back & read thur them & see for yourself.I'm done posting on this tread because it has gotten to far off topic.

BTW, for those having a hard time understanding the "free discs to boost "SALES" figures" deal, check this out:



(I saw this on a forum and thought it was a good description)

The Nielsen Videoscan sales numbers for last week were leaked early by Dave Vaughn over at avsforums:

BluRay = 76
HD DVD = 24

POTC3 was the big mover followed by Superbad a distant second.

I guess Bourne will be HD DVD's last hope of winning one week this year. (Don't look at me - I already bought my copy.) So to the HD DVD owners here - you know who you are: error5, eatsushi, dblbogey7, etc - get your copy of Bourne Ultimatum on HD DVD now so we can give HD at least one weekly win this year.

Don't look at me either. I've done my share of HD DVD shopping this week.

I already have Ultimatum PLUS I got the Planet Earth box for my dad PLUS the Harry Potter set for my niece. In addition, I ordered 8 titles from the amazon BOGO.

The problem is I've run out of gift recipients.

So if HD DVD loses again next week it wasn't because of me ;)

juankerr: I bought my copy of Bourne Ultimatum on release day plus the Harry Potter HD DVD set. ;)

We're up against stiff competition though. Lost has a big cult following and their season 3 set could be tough. The unknown factor is HSM2.

Got to check out that amazon BOGO.

I was expecting something in the vicinity of 68 Blu: 32 HD.

But 76 Blu: 24 HD is surprising. It's even higher than the Black Friday numbers, right? I guess I underestimated Pirates 3.

Anyway juankerr: I promise to get Ultimatum tonight after work and I'll also check out the amazon BOGO. The problem is my GF is a big Lost fan and my niece loves High School Musical 2. LOL!

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But 76 Blu: 24 HD is surprising. It's even higher than the Black Friday numbers, right? I guess I underestimated Pirates 3.

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You're right. Black Friday was BD 72:HD 28. The last time HD got beaten this bad was the (approx) 80:20 when Casino Royale came out.

Originally posted by juankerr:

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You're right. Black Friday was BD 72:HD 28. The last time HD got beaten this bad was the (approx) 80:20 when Casino Royale came out.

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That's what I thought. Anyway I ordered 6 titles from the amazon BOGO and I'll also pick up the Battlestar Galactica Season 1 set together with Ultimatum.

See I'm doing my part too juankerr. LOL!

BTW did Dave Vaughn mention what HD DVD title sold the most last week? I haven't had time to go over to avs.

according to recent estimates, pirates 3 sold 160k surpassing spidey 3 which sold 130k in its first week. no official confirmation yet. can't wait for The Simpsons movie.

eatsushi: According to Dave Vaughn the best selling HD DVD title last week was Planet Earth (still going strong).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=951811&page=8

Added: The actual ratio when Casino Royale was released (week ending 3/18/07) was BD 81.7:HD 18.3.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...elsen+VideoScan

Up and down the sea saw we go nothing will change just the time of the year.

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Up and down the sea saw we go nothing will change just the time of the year.

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/agree, but the MPAA want their propertarian format of choice blu-ray to succeed! on and on with the FUD from the MPAA but dvd's are leading sales and Hi-Def offers very little over DVD other than DRM for studios to lock you out of content you own.

a 3-1 lead hmm how many blu ray players inc. the ps3 have been sold, surly this should read at least 10-1? but i guess more hd-dvd owners purchase movies!

who's grandparents and parents which make up the bulk of purchasers, really care about a few more pixels when the films that hollywood churn out, we have all seen before with far better acting and more engrossing scripts, why do they think that a few green screens will actually make a film worth watching/owning?

The film and gaming industry has taken a huge uturn and are now concentrated with having the best graphics over what ppl want. content over quality i say!

NOTE TO HOLLYWOOD/GAME STUDIOS: SPECIAL EFFECTS DO NOT MAKE A GOOD FILM/GAME!

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