Oregon Attorney General comes out swinging in RIAA case

Nice to see the riaa is losing more friends in congress. Yea for the Oregons Attorney General in stepping in to see what the riaa is really doing when the investigate and get there info.

YES. this is going to be a precedent case. im gonna need to follow this!

hopefully there completely de-funded

this should prove to be a good case. please keep us posted on the outcome.

RIAA et. al.:

take your business model off life support and let it die with dignity.

Those who have listened to the most important person in the economic model, the customer, have benefited from listening and giving them what they want: music in a format that works on all their devices and lets them use their music the way they always have used it.

The market relies on two factors: Sellers bringing goods and customers interested in buying those goods. If their are no goods then nobody wins. If customers are not willing to buy the goods that are brought or not willing to buy those goods at the listed prices then nobody wins.

Final things to consider:
--You cannot fight and win the war on piracy by driving away your paying customer base.
--You can fight but you can never win the war on piracy. Some people will always try to get what they want without paying.
--Supply and demand are affected by the 'black market'. If the market price is too unbearable people will not buy the goods. For those who are not opposed to such concepts these people will turn to the black market to meet their demand.
--Demand is limited and when it comes to black market digital copies supply is limitless. A supply and demand curve fail in the face of this fact. An endless supply and limited demand forces the price point to near zero. Near zero is untenable pricing for most businesses. These facts are not fair but these are the facts
--Those who refuse to face the facts about their business ultimately face a business that fails

The days of taking whatever you can from your customer base has ended. The days where customers give you what they want are upon you. Yes, the days of record profits are over. The gravy train has officially ended. Face the realities of the new music market, aknowledge what your customers are wanting from you, and give them what they want and you will succeed-- maybe not as handsomely as before but you will still exist in the upper tier of societal incomes. Be happy with what you can get.

Riaa (and the MPAA) cut your losses, kill yourselves.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Riaa (and the MPAA) cut your losses, kill yourselves.

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"Describe with particularity the economic damage, if any, that the RIAA suffered as a result of the unlawful conduct of each Doe Defendant."

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Awesome, someone with actual clout finally broke out the metaphorical bitch be good stick. Looks like the riaa is finally on defensive instead of suing/raping single mothers, college kids, and otherwise defenseless people. I hope the attorney general cracks them a good one.

The AG must have a kid or friends who have kids who are in this school, which would be great. The absurdity of the Jamie Thomas case surely made everyone shake their head in disbelief. If the industry will go after a single mother for all she is worth and more, then they will definitely show no mercy to a kid in college, probably going after his/her family and all future salaries. You can only push someone so far before they strike back. I just hope it's their death blow.

The RIAA will just pay who they need to off to have things their way.

Money talks...BullSh*t walks !!!

Like emugamer says, "You can only push someone so far before they strike back"....hence...what open the doorway to change is if some poor Joe that they shaft just a little to much....SNAPS....heads on over to the RIAA head office...and resorts to a "Killing Spree".

Everyone has a breaking point. Who's first ?

I cant wait to hear how the RIAA justifies $26,000 per song (or whatever number they choose). Espicially when each song could have been legally purchased for $0.99, not all of which is going to the RIAA.
I am sure the RIAA is looking for ways to withdrawl their subpoenas now since their tactic is to submit as many lawsuits as possible and when the court case starts to get too costly, then drop the charges.

Time to move to Oregon!!

I'm glad somebodies taken up for the little people.

It's seriously about time someone in the legal system sees the reality that the RIAA's information gathering tactics are bogus if not infringing on people's rights. Good for the Attorney General of Oregon!

I always have held that there is NO JUDICIAL REVIEW in a Court CLERK signing legal papers as a JUDGE should....UNCONSTITUTIONAL! We shall see now, hopefully! ;- )

I'll be following this one to the end.
It'll be very interesting.

I think the RIAA might just have pissed off the wrong person, or at least I hope they did.

Peace all

Originally posted by morguex:

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I'll be following this one to the end.
It'll be very interesting.

I think the RIAA might just have pissed off the wrong person, or at least I hope they did.

Peace all

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Originally posted by duckNrun:

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RIAA et. al.:

take your business model off life support and let it die with dignity.

Those who have listened to the most important person in the economic model, the customer, have benefited from listening and giving them what they want: music in a format that works on all their devices and lets them use their music the way they always have used it.

The market relies on two factors: Sellers bringing goods and customers interested in buying those goods. If their are no goods then nobody wins. If customers are not willing to buy the goods that are brought or not willing to buy those goods at the listed prices then nobody wins.

Final things to consider:
--You cannot fight and win the war on piracy by driving away your paying customer base.
--You can fight but you can never win the war on piracy. Some people will always try to get what they want without paying.
--Supply and demand are affected by the 'black market'. If the market price is too unbearable people will not buy the goods. For those who are not opposed to such concepts these people will turn to the black market to meet their demand.
--Demand is limited and when it comes to black market digital copies supply is limitless. A supply and demand curve fail in the face of this fact. An endless supply and limited demand forces the price point to near zero. Near zero is untenable pricing for most businesses. These facts are not fair but these are the facts
--Those who refuse to face the facts about their business ultimately face a business that fails

The days of taking whatever you can from your customer base has ended. The days where customers give you what they want are upon you. Yes, the days of record profits are over. The gravy train has officially ended. Face the realities of the new music market, aknowledge what your customers are wanting from you, and give them what they want and you will succeed-- maybe not as handsomely as before but you will still exist in the upper tier of societal incomes. Be happy with what you can get.

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Originally posted by duckNrun:

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RIAA et. al.:

take your business model off life support and let it die with dignity.

Those who have listened to the most important person in the economic model, the customer, have benefited from listening and giving them what they want: music in a format that works on all their devices and lets them use their music the way they always have used it.

The market relies on two factors: Sellers bringing goods and customers interested in buying those goods. If their are no goods then nobody wins. If customers are not willing to buy the goods that are brought or not willing to buy those goods at the listed prices then nobody wins.

Final things to consider:
--You cannot fight and win the war on piracy by driving away your paying customer base.
--You can fight but you can never win the war on piracy. Some people will always try to get what they want without paying.
--Supply and demand are affected by the 'black market'. If the market price is too unbearable people will not buy the goods. For those who are not opposed to such concepts these people will turn to the black market to meet their demand.
--Demand is limited and when it comes to black market digital copies supply is limitless. A supply and demand curve fail in the face of this fact. An endless supply and limited demand forces the price point to near zero. Near zero is untenable pricing for most businesses. These facts are not fair but these are the facts
--Those who refuse to face the facts about their business ultimately face a business that fails

The days of taking whatever you can from your customer base has ended. The days where customers give you what they want are upon you. Yes, the days of record profits are over. The gravy train has officially ended. Face the realities of the new music market, aknowledge what your customers are wanting from you, and give them what they want and you will succeed-- maybe not as handsomely as before but you will still exist in the upper tier of societal incomes. Be happy with what you can get.

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Originally posted by JRude:

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I always have held that there is NO JUDICIAL REVIEW in a Court CLERK signing legal papers as a JUDGE should....UNCONSTITUTIONAL! We shall see now, hopefully! ;- )

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According to a motion filed by the Attorney General's office, there are many questions surrounding RIAA tactics, some of which the AG feels may be illegal in Oregon. In fact SafeNet, the company the RIAA pays to find infringers, isn't even licensed to operate in Oregon. The AG argues

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The motion also states that RIAA lawyers have refused to answer questions by the AG's office regarding whether they had engaged in data mining to find "personal and confidential information." Now the Attorney General would like to know "precisely how invasive Plaintiffs' investigation was." Specifically, it says "Plaintiffs may be spying on students who use the University's computer system and may be accessing much more than IP addresses."

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