I feel stupid because I purchased a HD-DVD. I think it would be better if they released on both formats.

The Profile 1.1 features on 3:10 To Yuma (Lionsgate) and Resident Evil: Extinction (Sony Pictures) are working fine on my Panasonic DMP-BD30 and on a friend's PS3.

Originally posted by pomelo:

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I feel stupid because I purchased a HD-DVD. I think it would be better if they released on both formats.

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Don't feel stupid man, if you purchased those HD DVDs with PIP then you've been able to enjoy features that Blu-ray is barely catching up to. You're HD DVDs aren't going to stop working anytime soon, so you can still enjoy them. What I plan to do is wait for dual format players to be under $300 and be BD-Live, then move my HD-A3 to the guest bedroom or something.

There are alot of people that feel stupid right now including myself. I still can't believe that Warner waited until after christmas to announce their plans to drop HD-DVD. I guess it makes alot of sense to them from a business point of view, wait until after the busiest time of the year and you have made your money to make an announcement like that. I returned my HD-DVD player after only 2 weeks with it.

Originally posted by juankerr:

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The Profile 1.1 features on 3:10 To Yuma (Lionsgate) and Resident Evil: Extinction (Sony Pictures) are working fine on my Panasonic DMP-BD30 and on a friend's PS3.

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were they good? It's good to hear there's no problems, it's giving me confidence about the future of Blu

Originally posted by sk8flawzz:

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were they good? It's good to hear there's no problems, it's giving me confidence about the future of Blu

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The 1.1 features are secondary video streams that appear as PiP windows and are very informative clips on the movie making process and behind-the-scenes material. It really depends on how much deeper you want to go into the film.

The best thing to do IMO is to first watch the movie from start to finish without fiddling with the 1.1 extras. If you like the movie and would like to learn more then do it over with the 1.1 feature.

I've noticed that when I use the PiP or In-Movie Experience in some of my HD DVD's I lose the sound from the PiP window when I use bitstream transmission to my Onkyo. For HD DVD I have to disable bitstream transmission to hear the sound from the PiP. For BluRay I don't have to do this. Anyone else have a the same problem?

Originally posted by juankerr:

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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:

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were they good? It's good to hear there's no problems, it's giving me confidence about the future of Blu

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The 1.1 features are secondary video streams that appear as PiP windows and are very informative clips on the movie making process and behind-the-scenes material. It really depends on how much deeper you want to go into the film.

The best thing to do IMO is to first watch the movie from start to finish without fiddling with the 1.1 extras. If you like the movie and would like to learn more then do it over with the 1.1 feature.

I've noticed that when I use the PiP or In-Movie Experience in some of my HD DVD's I lose the sound from the PiP window when I use bitstream transmission to my Onkyo. For HD DVD I have to disable bitstream transmission to hear the sound from the PiP. For BluRay I don't have to do this. Anyone else have a the same problem?

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I've never had that problem with HD DVD, so far the only PiP I've really liked and seen from beginning to end was the one on 300. Good stuff if one is interested.

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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:

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I've never had that problem with HD DVD, so far the only PiP I've really liked and seen from beginning to end was the one on 300. Good stuff if one is interested.

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I think this is a problem only when you use bitstream transmission to a receiver that does the audio decoding.

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Originally posted by pomelo:

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I feel stupid because I purchased a HD-DVD. I think it would be better if they released on both formats.

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Don't feel stupid man, if you purchased those HD DVDs with PIP then you've been able to enjoy features that Blu-ray is barely catching up to. You're HD DVDs aren't going to stop working anytime soon, so you can still enjoy them. What I plan to do is wait for dual format players to be under $300 and be BD-Live, then move my HD-A3 to the guest bedroom or something.

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interesting.i'd like to bring up the movie 300.hd-dvd had the extras on it yet the blu-ray version sold better.wanna know why?because nobody gives a flying **** about that stuff.people just wanna see the movie.

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Originally posted by pomelo:

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I feel stupid because I purchased a HD-DVD. I think it would be better if they released on both formats.

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Don't feel stupid man, if you purchased those HD DVDs with PIP then you've been able to enjoy features that Blu-ray is barely catching up to. You're HD DVDs aren't going to stop working anytime soon, so you can still enjoy them. What I plan to do is wait for dual format players to be under $300 and be BD-Live, then move my HD-A3 to the guest bedroom or something.

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interesting.i'd like to bring up the movie 300.hd-dvd had the extras on it yet the blu-ray version sold better.wanna know why?because nobody gives a flying **** about that stuff.people just wanna see the movie.

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I never doubted that the Blu-ray version sold better. And I care about extra features on certain movies, so "nobody gives a flying **** about that stuff" is just..stupid. I was pointing out theres no reason to regret an HD DVD investment, or feel stupid about it.

After what the BDA recently said -
(about the likelihood owners of 'profile 1.0' & 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray players having severe problems with 'profile 2.0' discs and that they are on their own "they knew what they were getting into")

why one earth would anyone be interested in anything Blu-ray that wasn't 'profile 2.0'?

(So how long until a decently spec'd & sanely priced 'profile 2.0' player appears - and no, the PS3 is not the kind of 'player' I'd call decently spec'd, it's severely lacking in the audio dept for a start nor sanely priced)

This is not just about whether you want or like 'extras'.

That's a red herring if ever there was.

It's about whether existing 'profile 1.0' & 'profile 1.1' players will work properly with the full 'profile 2.0' spec discs when they eventually arrive.

The BDA says quite possibly not and tough luck if it doesn't
(you knew what you were getting into).
So it wasn't HD DVD 'FUD' afterall, huh?

I wonder how many 'profile 1.0' & 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray player owners are going to end up feeling "stupid" for buying into Blu-ray before the final spec ('profile 2.0') stuff comes out, hmmmmmmm?

(and if they suffer the same repeated delayes as 'profile 1.1' did then we'll all be a long time waiting too)

All this worry about 1.1 and 2.0 is much ado about nothing and reeks of sour grapes IMO.

Assuming that majority of BluRay players out there are PS3 and assuming that PS3 users regularly update their software we can safely say that majority of players will be able to handle 2.0 movies when Sony releases the 2.0 update for the PS3.

As for people "knowing what they were getting into" this quote from avsforums sums it all up:

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=974846

Besides, it's not just BluRay that can have problems with advanced content. I recently got an XA2 to take advantage of bitstreaming to my new Onkyo receiver. If I click on the PiP (or in-movie experience) feature in some discs there is NO SOUND coming from the PiP. It seems the secondary audio stream is not being transmitted and is getting lost somewhere. The problem goes away if I disable bitstreaming. However, that completely defeats the purpose of my Onkyo receiver's advanced audio decoding.

The 1.1 PiP features from a couple of BluRay discs don't have this problem on my Panasonic BD-30 and on a friend's PS3. See my post above.

Every new technology is inherently buggy at the beginning. Early adopters are fully aware of this and for them this is a non-issue.

I must agree with juankerr on this.

I bought my current BluRay player for about $1K - a Panasonic BD10. I knew full well back then that it was a Profile 1.0 player and I knew that it wasn't going to be my last player purchase. It's been a reliable and trouble-free performer for me and now I'm looking to update. I definitely knew what I was getting into. That's what an early adopter means and I'm glad to fulfill the role.

The news from CES 2008 is very exciting though and I have my eyes set on the upcoming Panasonic BD50. Now this is a BD Live 2.0 player. In addition it has onboard decoding of Dolby True HD and DTS HD MA PLUS it has 7.1 analog outputs. It has everything you need and guess what - it will likely cost less than what I paid for the BD10.

Now if Denon or Marantz come up with a 2.0 player then I would definitely take a long hard look at those.

juankerr: I've heard of other people with your XA2 problem. Unfortunately I can't help you there since my XA2 is hooked up thru 5.1 analogs. Maybe eatsushi or error5 may be of help.

There's a long thread on the XA2 at avsforums and this is the first thing I saw:

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Are there any issues when sending Bitstream TrueHD or anything else to a capable receiver to decode them?

You can not take full advantage of Advanced Content.

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768634&page=102

Originally posted by juankerr:

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All this worry about 1.1 and 2.0 is much ado about nothing and reeks of sour grapes IMO.

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- How can you say that in all honesty when the BDA themselves have recently agreed that not only is it perfectly possible that 'profile 1.0' & 'profile 1.1' owners may well have serious problems playing back 'profile 2.0' discs
(and so it wasn't just a case of HD DVD 'FUD' at all)
but that if they do then it's hard lines, they are on their own cos the "knew what they were getting into"?!

It's pretty funny now to recall the synthetic complaints from the (now silent) PS3/Blu-ray supporters who all pretended to cry their eyes out that it was so totally terrible that the relative handful of Toshiba HD A1 owners might have had problems accessing the 3rd layer of the 51gb HD DVD TL discs.

Hypocrite fanboys or what?

Originally posted by juankerr:

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Assuming that majority of BluRay players out there are PS3

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- I though the BDA said there were 250,000+ stand-alone owners out there?
Still, nevermind, eh, s*d them?

Originally posted by juankerr:

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we can safely say that majority of players will be able to handle 2.0 movies when Sony releases the 2.0 update for the PS3.

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- Well no, I don't think you can reasonably do that.

After all that the BDA have said so far in regard to this matter (they - lied? - denied this completely for an age and pretended it was all just HD DVD 'FUD) you're taking some leap of faith there.

Originally posted by juankerr:

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Early adopters are fully aware of this and for them this is a non-issue.

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- Which is great and a true-ism we all know.

.....except that the Blu-ray side are hardly presenting any (nevermind all) of their current kit as being at the "early adopter" stage.

What this comes down to is that we ought to avoid everything currently on the market in terms of a stand-alone and accept a bunch of assurances from a bunch of proven liars about the PS3 being the only Blu-ray player currently available with the possibility of being able to work properly with 'profile 2.0' discs.

So, the choice Blu-ray currently offers is either -
1) take a chance on a sub-spec player or
2) go for an over-priced & limited game console?

No thanks. Not one of those options appeals; I'll take the 3rd.

3) continue to buy from the large and growing catalogue of HD DVD movies
(Universal & Paramount have so excellent big titles out this year),
watch my HD TV services & make full use of my DVR, download & upscale SD DVD movies when I can't get them any other way on HD.

Blu-ray remains incomplete, over-priced and IMO not worth the bother.
Clearly they are still years away from coming to the mass-market with decently spec'd & reasonably priced players.

Blu-ray may turn out to have won the tussle with HD DVD
(tho HD DVD will not be disappearing any time soon)
but it will not win the war to replace SD DVD.

Too little too late & for far too much money.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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[3) continue to buy from the large and growing catalogue of HD DVD movies

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Except that growth has been severely stunted by the Warner, New Line and HBO decisions. So much so that anyone new to HDM will seriously think twice about buying a new HD DVD player given the very limited choices he's faced with.

The only market right now for new HD DVD players is the early adaptor who wants a second or third player for his current collection.

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juankerr: So far there's no solution yet AFAIK to the PiP and bitstream problem with the XA2. I'll look around and PM you.

Here's what I understand about BD-J and profiles. If you have a 1.0 machine and you put in a 1.1 disc the BD-J VM in the player is designed to ignore the 1.1 features in the disc. The 1.1 features will not appear in the menu. Same with a 2.0 disc on a 1.1 or 1.0 machine - the online features will simply not be accesible to the user and will not appear on the menu. The BD-J system knows which Profile your player has and adapts the menu accordingly.

I tried Resident Evil: Extinction on my 1.0 Panasonic and indeed the 1.1 PiP feature does not appear in the menu. The movie plays fine and the other non-PiP extras play fine. On my PS3 (which is updated to 1.1) the PiP option appears in the menu and plays fine.

I read the article and still did not get what this profile 1.1 is about and what its purpose is???

Originally posted by borhan9:

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I read the article and still did not get what this profile 1.1 is about and what its purpose is???

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its about the bd-j functionality but Blu-Ray DRM Virtual Machine BD+ relies on this so expect DRM goofs very soon! but hey it will get more ppl to purchase sony hardware, just like HDCP is forcing all ppl to purchase new bravias if they want to watch their content!

read this dude! http://www.emedialive.com/articles/reada...cleid=11397#iij



imho stick to DVD's and avoid this attempt to sell you the same movies you have already purchased before and having hobbled by DRM equipment. Hi-Def sucks unless you live in the Caribbean and can legally download and strip all the anti consumer crap off of the discs and avoid having to buy into DRM hardware hell.


WTO Awards Caribbean Country Right to Ignore US Copyright

for all the ppl who live in the Caribbean this is what i would advise you to do!
i would download from piratbay.org, mininova.org, ect, blu-ray films then change all the x264/mkv files to HD-WMV so you can stream them to your 360 or burn them to DVD so you can watch them on your 360. Or you can simply stream from your pc thus never having to own any crippled by DRM sony propertarian hardware or having to purchase a hobbled screen which incorporates HDCP DRM that blocks any none HDMI crippled connection on all the current none HDCP HD screens and all the pc monitors that are more than capable of displaying HD resolutions but they want to sell them to you again so the MPAA misusing the DMCA block the signals!

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