ahhh exactly what i was expecting

Originally posted by hughjars:

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(Hade, your rambling tirades are amusing to a point but so full of holes & the usual fanboy exaggeration & blindness it's not funny anymore.)

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be so kind and point them out for me. you mention overall disc sales and i give note worthy reasons why total sales between HD and DVD should not be directly compared, well not in the context that you would prefer. i gave you the percentages for pirates3 initial release on Blu-ray and DVD which also counter your comments. do the math yourself if you like.

YOU, not I said not once but SEVERAL BOLD comments a month ago about the upcoming CES, which certainly did not panout the way you imagined. I am still curious what you weren't, i mean WERE SO SURE was bound to happen at CES. yes its time to ante up on your comments.

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The facts still stand.
They are that in almost 2 years Blu-ray (by the BDA's own recent numbers) have sold 6 million movie discs to HD DVDs a little less than 3 million movie discs.

In a total movie disc market of 750 million + in 2007 alone.

6 & 3 million compared to 750 million+.

You guys can choose to pretend those numbers don't matter if you like but that doesn't make it so.

It's obviously 'drop in the ocean' stuff for both formats.
The arrogant delusions of grandeur some of the blu-ray fanclub insist on in this is so clearly just empty rhetoric & bombast, nothing more.

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i agree with you that HD disc sales are nothing compared to dvd sales but you have to remember that dvd was in the same boat as blu-ray and hddvd when it was first released, you say blu-ray and hddvd have sold roughly 9 million discs between them, in the first 2 years dvd was around it sold 9.2 million discs.....so by those numbers they are having about the same success as each other in their first 2 years

blu-ray may take a long time to get anywhere near dvd sales but it took dvd untill 2001 before the amount of money earned by dvd disc sales was higher than vhs sales

Originally posted by rcd:

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blu-ray may take a long time to get anywhere near dvd sales but it took dvd untill 2001 before the amount of money earned by dvd disc sales was higher than vhs sales

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Great point it took DVD 3 years & alot of price drops before it seen any kind of sells boost.It didn't take either HD format that long & both are far a head of were DVD was back then.Plus with DVD sells on the decline for 4 years straight its not hard to see the writing on the wall for DVD death.

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Originally posted by rcd:

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blu-ray may take a long time to get anywhere near dvd sales but it took dvd untill 2001 before the amount of money earned by dvd disc sales was higher than vhs sales

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Great point it took DVD 3 years & alot of price drops before it seen any kind of sells boost.It didn't take either HD format that long & both are far a head of were DVD was back then.Plus with DVD sells on the decline for 4 years straight its not hard to see the writing on the wall for DVD death.

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You have a lot of confusion in the market which is only 4% of the whole and half of it is split between 2 formats, one format is costly and could well be made pointless in 5-10 years when digital distro hits and pretty to home burn(encrypt) it to disc becoems avablie.

Not saying BR can not or should not do it, bu tis not over until its over....

this is hilarious. . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c

Originally posted by stumpied:

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this is hilarious. . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c

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Thxs....Thats was funny as hell i looked at that 10 times & it seem so real.

If the BDA themselves are saying the numbers.

Blu-ray has sold 6 million movie discs.

HD DVD just short of 3 million discs.

In almost 2 years.

SD DVD sold over 750 million discs last year alone.

6 million in 2 years does not even work out to 1% of the annual market.

Like I said, 'drop in the ocean' stuff - and neither Blu-ray or HD DVD are doing anything like replicating SD DVD's original performance.

I might also remind the younger members here that 2 years into the first video format war VHS was pronounced 'dead' too.

Perhaps folks can ponder that as they claim to 'know' these 'drop in the ocean' prove something for Blu-ray.

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this is hilarious. . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c

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i always knew that HD-DVD was being supported by nazi's

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this is hilarious. . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c

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i always knew that HD-DVD was being supported by nazi's

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Can;t get more corporate nazi than sony or MS :P

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this is hilarious. . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c

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i always knew that HD-DVD was being supported by nazi's

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Can;t get more corporate nazi than sony or MS :P

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No doubt!

No matter which "side" you choose, it's a bit of humour. Don't read anything more into it then that.

It's good for a couple of laughs anyways.

Good for a laugh?

Nah I'd say that's a pretty realistic portrayal of most of the HD-DVD fanboys you come across on AD.. haha well done whoever made that.

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Yeah it's funny.

But only in the way that stealing someone else's once very funny but now totally well-worn (out) gag is.

Talk about a rather dreary lack of immagination.

Back on topic folks.

Some interesting hardware numbers from the NPD Group. The Warner effect was also felt on the hardware side:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/blu...arner-went-blu/

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According to the latest NPD group report, during the month of December Blu-ray players held 60 percent of the HD media player market -- despite the fact that HD DVD players were considerably cheaper. While that might've helped Warner in its decision to go Blu, the move has definitely had a dramatic effect on player sales since. According to the same study the week after the announcement, Blu-ray players were able to grab 93 percent of the market, which puts the year to date (short, we know) share for Blu-ray players at 70 percent. Granted, it's hard to put too much stock in just a week or two of data, but if this and the recent media sales numbers (85 percent) becomes a trend, maybe this won't be such a slow death for HD DVD after all.

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Important note: The numbers DO NOT include the PS3 and the 360 addon. These are just standalone numbers.

Who's the NPD Group you ask? From the wiki:

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The NPD Group, Inc. is a leading global market research company founded in 1967 and provides consumer and retail information to manufacturers and retailers. Using actual sales data from retailers and distributors as well as consumer-reported purchasing behavior, NPD offers consumer panel and retail sales tracking services, special reports, modeling and analytics, and custom research.

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thanks man, so now all those HD-DVD fanboys can stop complaing that the numbers were only good because of the PS3.

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Yeah it's funny.

But only in the way that stealing someone else's once very funny but now totally well-worn (out) gag is.

Talk about a rather dreary lack of immagination.

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seems like a certain HD-DVD fan boy is mad....

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You just got as two week vacation for that off topic remark genius.

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@ eatsushi

A weekly pie chart, come on, that's so loaded, selective & lame.

You left out the part that says HD DVD has 64% of standalone market.

http://www.cepro.com/article/gaming_push...research_finds/

Originally posted by hughjars:

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You left out the part that says HD DVD has 64% of standalone market.

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Not according to Toshiba.

On October 9th, 2007, Toshiba claimed 53% of the standalone market.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6...ndustryid=47213

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Year to date, according to NPD figures she cited, HD DVD players command 53% of sales; Blu-ray players, 44%; dual format players, 3%.

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By the time Toshiba had their CES 2008 press conference their number had shrunk to 49.3%.

This pie chart is from their CES 2008 press conference:




http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/live-...ess-conference/

Take note of Toshiba's very own pie chart:
Standalone Market Share for the entire 2007
Toshiba/HD DVD - 49.3%
BluRay or Dual Format from other brands - 50.7%

This means that BluRay standalone sales were significantly bigger over the crucial 4th quarter of 2007. This continued into the 1st 2 weeks of 2008.

According to the NPD Group BluRay got 60% of standalone sales for the month of December 2007.




Remember that the PS3 is not included in these numbers as eatsushi pointed out earlier.

interesting posts by both, i swear eatsushi and error5 should be renamed lamb nTunaFish as you guys often complement one another pretty well. haha im kidding.

if blu-ray SA sales continue like this given the underpriced HD-DVD players then its only a matter of time before retailers pull the underselling product. OR a more realistic scenario, they (retailers) simply don't RESTOCK their inventory. thus when we see this occur there will be a cutback in production from tosh. and an ultimate departure from the HD market. well actually not, im sure tosh. will make a very nice Blu-ray player ;)

Another thing - I think hughjars mis-read his article.

The article didn't say that HD DVD had 64% of the standalone market.

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Toshiba has 64% more units than all Blu-ray players combined.

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64% more units is not the same as 64% of market share.

PLUS the 64% figure covers only Q1 to Q3 of 2007. It disregards the crucial 4th quarter which, as demonstrated above and proven by Toshiba's own pie chart, was dominated by BluRay standalone sales.

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Toshiba accounted for nearly 64 percent more than all available Blu-ray brands combined between Q1 and Q3 ’07.

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i swear eatsushi and error5 should be renamed lamb nTunaFish

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That reminds me - my dinner's getting cold.

Same old BS.

Try and talk-up 'momentum', it 's nothing more.

If things really were as they say (typically) they'd be showing stats/graphs for several months (at least a quarter).

They didn't cos it's just the usual marketing manipulation.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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If things really were as they say (typically) they'd be showing stats/graphs for several months (at least a quarter).

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Well error5's post above shows Toshiba's own pie chart for the whole year of 2007. HD DVD standalones had 49.3% marketshare from Toshiba's own data.

I'll look for the NPD data for Q4 of 2007 but will you settle for the month of December of 2007? It's in error5's post above too:




So for the busiest shopping month of the year, BluRay standalones outsold HD DVD by 60% to 40% (weeks ending 12/8 to 12/29 per NPD). Remember the PS3 numbers were not included in this.

I'll wait until there's a quiet revision of the data thanks juankerr.

They've 'proved' as much as they've 'won'; absolutely nothing.

Well apparently the war is officially over although i have not read the new article i am guessing if these are the numbers in January then blu-ray would have won the war.