This guy is even more ridiculous than the MPAA/RIAA. At least there out of proportion numbers are not this exsadurated.

First point, I know about two dozen people with DS's. I am the only one in the group that has a device, I own a DS-X, at the moment.

My other friends either don't want to spend the money on it or just don't see the purpose of getting one.

Second, my buying of DS games has actually increased at least doubled since I bought my DS-X. Before buying it I had maybe 5-10 games in my DS collection.

After getting the DS-X I have tried out a few games that I thought looked good and have ended up buying another 10 games as a result of trying them out first.

Sure, there are those that simply buy such a device and never buy a game again but those are the people that make laws get passed that make such devices illegal for anyone to use, legitimate (aka Backups) or not.

Peace

Yaaaa......... maybe if it was the PSP I would believe it..... but the DS is the top selling portable world wide....

i know about 10 people who have DS and about 5 of them have R4. i think it is quite a cool thing to have besides the obvious bad side of ruining the games industry. i reckon nintendo should start selling an official version of R4 and sell the roms online for half the price of a real game. that would stop some of the piracy.

Originally posted by Jalathole:

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i reckon nintendo should start selling an official version of R4 and sell the roms online for half the price of a real game. that would stop some of the piracy.

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What you're suggesting makes too much sense. Why would they want to reduce production costs and increase profits? Besides, we all know those "ROMS" would need DRM...

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So if I were to ask 9 out of 10 DS owners if they have an "R4", how many will look at me in bewilderment? 90% is a bit drastic, and I'd even say that it's not 50/50 either.

It's true that piracy may threaten the gaming industry, but do we really need to pay $35 for a dog or pony game? Do not insult our intelligence with your greed for money. Make more quality games such as Mario Kart, New Super Mario Bros. or Zelda, and less EA Sports "micro-sized" ports and other kiddie crap.

The R4 only exists because 90% of DS are junk. It sucks that gamers need to be cautious with their hard earned money.

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If it's 90% I wonder what % it is on th PSP.

Originally posted by SProdigy:

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So if I were to ask 9 out of 10 DS owners if they have an "R4", how many will look at me in bewilderment? 90% is a bit drastic, and I'd even say that it's not 50/50 either.

It's true that piracy may threaten the gaming industry, but do we really need to pay $35 for a dog or pony game? Do not insult our intelligence with your greed for money. Make more quality games such as Mario Kart, New Super Mario Bros. or Zelda, and less EA Sports "micro-sized" ports and other kiddie crap.

The R4 only exists because 90% of DS are junk. It sucks that gamers need to be cautious with their hard earned money.

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If it's 90% I wonder what % it is on th PSP.

way over exaggerated. only about 5 people in my school have heard of them and thats only because one person told them about his.

Saying that its threatning the whole gaming industry is a bit far aswell

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way over exaggerated. only about 5 people in my school have heard of them and thats only because one person told them about his.

Saying that its threatning the whole gaming industry is a bit far aswell

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Speaking about hearing about this, referring to the R4, the first time I heard about it was by reading a news article similar to this one. Of course, I had to go out and buy one after I read about it. I'm just curious if articles like this are more prone to cause more people to buy them as opposed to stopping it.

Originally posted by silk42:

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Originally posted by weedude99:

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way over exaggerated. only about 5 people in my school have heard of them and thats only because one person told them about his.

Saying that its threatning the whole gaming industry is a bit far aswell

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Speaking about hearing about this, referring to the R4, the first time I heard about it was by reading a news article similar to this one. Of course, I had to go out and buy one after I read about it. I'm just curious if articles like this are more prone to cause more people to buy them as opposed to stopping it.

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if you can create a citation by highlighting it, then the DRM makers and pro clampdown lobbies (sony being party to both) have a job to do, and make mega bucks!

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Originally posted by Jalathole:

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i know about 10 people who have DS and about 5 of them have R4. i think it is quite a cool thing to have besides the obvious bad side of ruining the games industry. i reckon nintendo should start selling an official version of R4 and sell the roms online for half the price of a real game. that would stop some of the piracy.

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you know, that's so true... the R4 or whatever is good for trying out games, most of the DS games are so pointless that i gave up in less than five minutes. However, when i see a worthy game, i actually buy it from the store. Now, if the games are offered on ROM format and cost like a third of the actual game, hell, i even buy the games i gave up in 10 minutes...

I agree game makers are getting greedy and they rush a product out that is nothing but crap. In these days of hard finances consumers will not shell hard earn money out for a bad product. Wa wa wa big game makers cry on somebodys shoulder who gives a s_ht!

I think the ELSPA was misquoted about the actual percentages, but even if the figures were true, it still would not be the least profitable console. Most consoles are loss leaders, they are sold below cost and hope to make it up on game sales, the old give away the razor but charge for the razor blades strategy. Both the PS3 and 360 cost more to manufacture than their actual selling price, so it would seem to me that they would be the least profitable console. Nintendo makes a profit on every DS sold even if they don't sell a single game.

It's all the whining again because unlike sony and M$ ol' tendo have got themselves another winner.

How they can make these things at a profit I can't explain.. you can't replace both screens for the price of a new one.

I think the least profitable console of all time was the saturn.

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32676

GamesIndustry.biz that a recent story about DS piracy in North America contains false quotes attributed to a company spokesperson.

The Sunday Post quoted John Hillier, manager of ELSPA's Intellectual Property Crime Unit as saying "In America, it's thought 90 per cent of Nintendo DS users are playing pirated games because of R4s," while discussing the notorious chip that allows easy piracy on Nintendo's handheld.

However, a spokesperson for ELSPA told GamesIndustry.biz that, "[John] didn't quote The Sunday Post on any figures whatsoever."

"ELSPA would certainly never presume to comment about America or anywhere else outside of the UK," added the spokesperson.

The report, said ELSPA, is a hatchet job consisting of facts from an article from Singapore, false quotes and a genuine conversation with Hillier on the availability of the R4 cartridge in the UK.

"The quotes from The Sunday Post were ascribed to his name from another article which originates from a website in Singapore. This, it appears, is where The Sunday Post first found out about the supposed R4 situation and for some reason unknown to John have quoted him on what this article said."

The spokesperson also stated that Nintendo views the reported facts in The Sunday Post article as completely false.

"As far as Nintendo are concerned, the facts are completely spurious."

I am getting a little tired of the LIES of these corporations
PLEASE STOP PLAYING GAMES so these companies quit losing all this money!
PLEASE STOP WATCHING MOVIES so these companies quit losing all this money!
PLEASE STOP LISTENING TO MUSIC so these companies quit losing all this money!
PLEASE STOP USING PRPRIETARY SOFTWARE so these companies quit losing all this money!
GEE see how easy that is............
Now I will just run my Linux on my 5 year old PC, just watch TV and listen to the radio........HMMM I think that's what I do already! F the media mafia!

if anything, hardware sales would go up because of the R4.

i dont own a DS, but now that i know you can download roms, i'd be tempted to get one just because of this. but i'm not going to. i just dont feel like spending the money right now.

so am i hurting the gaming industry by NOT owning a DS and not buying the expensive crappy games??

I'm all about pirating but people C'MON!!!!!!!!!!!

There needs to be some use of the brain by establishing a line sometime and somewhere.

Modding systems like the PS2, PS3, XBox 360 and all others is a big "F YOU" to everything that is good and true. First, it's going to an EXTREME EXTREME to alter your hardware to get something or EVERYTHING for free. In addition, the warranty is voided and often systems are busted by doing this and the RISK is always there. Second, don't people have enough integrity and fortitude to appreciate the notion of earning the money for a long-awaited and sought after game and THEN going out and buying it, opening the box and then playing it??

I mean I take some things for the pc but I BUY PLENTY TOO!

Took COD4 - going to buy for MP online
Bought RAINBOW 6 Vegas
Bought Doom 3
Bought FEAR
Bough FEAR Exp. Pack
Took FEAR Perseus mandate.

People are just constantly showing that they're worthless leaches who should be hung because they contribute NOTHING TO SOCIETY and take take take, therefore, if you contribute nothing then you're useless. If you're useless then the world has no need for you and may you die a quick lonely death because you won't be missed.

Key word here people....................IN-TEG-RI-TY. It's what makes the world go 'round.

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if anything, hardware sales would go up because of the R4.

i dont own a DS, but now that i know you can download roms, i'd be tempted to get one just because of this. but i'm not going to. i just dont feel like spending the money right now.

so am i hurting the gaming industry by NOT owning a DS and not buying the expensive crappy games??

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No...........you're hurting society with you painfully lame misunderstanding of how the world works. Procreation should be outlawed for you and others that think the way you do. How sad!

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No...........you're hurting society with you painfully lame misunderstanding of how the world works. Procreation should be outlawed for you and others that think the way you do. How sad!

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i guess you were too stupid to comprehend what i was saying. please re-read the post, and try to get more of an understanding of what i said. what i said was that i'd be tempted to get a DS because of the R4. but i have no intention of getting a DS/R4 or anything related to it. that is what you were supposed to understand. and since i do not plan to get a DS, does that mean i'm hurting the industry?

i'm not supporting piracy. and at the same time i'm not contributing to the game industry's recent string of disapointments. how does that hurt society? if i choose not to spend my hard earned money on something that will disappoint me, and i choose not to steal anything, then who does that hurt?

outlaw procreation for people who think like me? wrong. there's nothing sad about people who are sensible, responsible and choose not to waste their money on something useless or ultimately disappointing.

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No...........you're hurting society with you painfully lame misunderstanding of how the world works. Procreation should be outlawed for you and others that think the way you do. How sad!

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i guess you were too stupid to comprehend what i was saying. please re-read the post, and try to get more of an understanding of what i said. what i said was that i'd be tempted to get a DS because of the R4. but i have no intention of getting a DS/R4 or anything related to it. that is what you were supposed to understand. and since i do not plan to get a DS, does that mean i'm hurting the industry?

i'm not supporting piracy. and at the same time i'm not contributing to the game industry's recent string of disapointments. how does that hurt society? if i choose not to spend my hard earned money on something that will disappoint me, and i choose not to steal anything, then who does that hurt?

outlaw procreation for people who think like me? wrong. there's nothing sad about people who are sensible, responsible and choose not to waste their money on something useless or ultimately disappointing.

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Rereading changes nothing about your comment...............MY LAST REMARKS STANDS............in fact...........it stands STRONGER THAN EVER NOW!!!! HA HA HA

And your credibility is SHOT now that you have labeled yourself as sensible and UGGGGGHHHHHHHHH.............."responsible". I guess the temptation of buying one solely because you can jack games falls under the "responsible" category. If I had to guess your age, I'd say ..................Hmmmmmm..............under 25. No procreation for you!!

you're still not understanding the point i'm trying to make with the question i brought up. you're probably not even trying, but whatever. i was not looking for credibility. just simply stating that there's better things to waste hundreds of dollars on. and you guessed wrong.

Just yankin' your chain! No harm no foul mate. Sorry for misjudging.

Where is the research to back up this outragoues bunch of numbers.

After reading this article, I feel like actually buying a Nintendo DS now! lol. I didn't know that this existed until Nintendo complained about it! Thank you Nintendo for giving R4 publicity. More people pirating roms with R4 = more hardware sales anyway (since R4 stimulates interest in buying a DS) so just how much is Nintendo losing in profit anyway? The only ones who should be complaining are the non-first party software publishers and developers for DS games since whatever Nintendo loses in software sales, they make up for with increased hardware sales. Nintendo should be greatful that pirates actually want to buy their hardware now.

Also piracy was a much bigger problem with GBA than NDS so I don't understand why DS piracy is such a big deal for them. Most people didn't buy a GBA to pirate games, they just got an emulator like VisualBoyAdvance. Not long after the GBA was out, they a emu released quite quickly that ran just about every GBA Rom perfectly. GBA Roms were also small and very easy to obtain online. NDS Roms are easy to find too but there isn't a reliable emulator for one yet so Nintendo isn't as screwed by piracy since at least people are buying the hardware to play the roms.

There's no way there is more piracy on the DS than on the PSP you don't even have to buy extra stuff to play iso's on it, there's only a few people who I know with psp's that aren't hacked and that's just because they almost never use them for anything but a giant mp3 player.