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Hey, if you sell that proprety, maybe you help me with my business. I want to extend my Ice Cooler selling businss to Northern Alaska, in Eskimo country!

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Off topic, but if you are refering to global warming,
haven't you heard, it's been cancelled?

http://iceagenow.com/

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Not really we still pollute to much and need to move off fossil fuels for more reasons than the environment.

The government needs to wake up and start investing in methane as the mainstream fuel we could move to it in 20years if they get of their lazy oil fed arses...

Originally posted by ken9771:

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Originally posted by ringwar :
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The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines. I am in Japan right now and everyone has Fiber. And they only pay $40 a month for a T1 Line. Go Figure --------------------------------------------------------------------------

I did go figure,,,, it's like this,,,,,

"Who" needs to start investing more money?, "Who" will pay?
Are you implying it should be the government?
How about companies like ATT; they are raiseing their DSL rates by 5 bucks and everyone is bitching about that! Should they invest more
money to lay fiber to each house and then try to get someone to
pay for it?

(Fiber only needs to reach within a mile or so, DSL works on copper
from that point to your house, even at the 6meg rate.
ATT's Uverse will bring both high speed data and video, and still uses
copper wire for the last few thousand feet.)

You say in Japan right now everyone has Fiber; $40.00 bucks for a T1 line. A T1 line is only 1.54 mbs/sec max, that is a high price connection there as opposed to ATT's DSL service on copper here in the good old USA!

Because of the pending ATT price increase I increased my speed to
the 1.54 rate; (again, that is considered a T1). I pay 20 bucks a month, price locked for a year.

I bet the reason everyone has fiber is because everyone over there
can reach out and touch someone, that is really touch someone because of the density in the population as opposed to the way we in the US live, with lots of space between us.

Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.
Most people think that they are actually on the internet when using their service, however that is not correct, they are actually working out of one of the AOL's servers entirely. (that is the purpose of the "Keywords"), AOL looks at your browseing and inserts advertsements, you end up thinking that they originate from the distant webpages. AOL make it's money this way, that is why they could hand out all those thousands of "free" hours of connect time.
AOL provided "their version of the internet". After they add the extra's, the distant webpage is actually downloaded by their sever
and then sent to you, along with what ever else they want you to see.

So that's the way you go figure!

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I have an idea. Why don't you go figure, how to pull your head out of your ass. I was just making a simple comment about how the Internet needs to be revamped and you freaked out like i was making fun of your baby dick.

OK... Thats enough of that.

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Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.

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Yeah.. comments like that don't help.. I'm a woman, and been using computers longer than a lot of the members here have been alive.. go figure..

Dialup still has a role. It happens to be very useful to have an account if you travel a lot and wind up in some hick town the back woods miles from anywhere with only a phoneline for company.

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Originally posted by : ringwar :

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" The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines"


"I have an idea. Why don't you go figure, how to pull your head out of your ass. I was just making a simple comment about how the Internet needs to be revamped and you freaked out like i was making fun of your baby dick."

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I was just asking you a couple questions, mainly who will pay,
and who is going to lay these fiber optic cables.

The solution is not simple.
I wasn't getting down on you, just asking "WHO".
There was a lot of bitching about a small 5 dollar increse in
ATT's service, so the question is a good question, it sill remains unanswered.

In the short time I've been reading posts here at this site,
I get the impression that a majority of everyone believes that world owes them everything at little or no cost out of their pockets!

As far as the fiber, probally no way of economically runing it to
all existing homes.
Back to "who pays".
Newer technology like Uverse doen't even need it
all the way to your house.

And about AOL being for beginers and women, that is true.
Yes a lot of women know their way around a computer, and a lot of men do not, but a higher percentage of women do not and therefore AOL service provided them internet browseing without them having to learn much more than navigate the AOL interface with a lot of links setup to make it easy for them. As Jerry Siendfield joked,
"men are hunters, women,,,,,,

And you my friend are a dinosaur.. take your stereotyped sexism somewhere else eh?

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but a higher percentage of women do not and therefore AOL service provided them internet browseing without them having to learn much more than navigate the AOL interface with a lot of links setup to make it easy for them.

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So who does all the secretarial work, the buying in business.. all the payrolls, all the other IT based work that runs modern business??

It's the men in the management who tend to be the computer illiterate ones I'm sorry to say. A quick look into the accounts department of any large business will show you the truth.

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And you my friend are a dinosaur.. take your stereotyped sexism somewhere else eh?

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LOL!! And we know that dinosaurs were driven to extinction by their inability to adapt to climate changes!
You might still be able to appologize and get away with just a demerit point,ken9771 , or it might be too late...

ken better say something before i do something to him.

I don't blame those more fortunate than us for taking their fast internet service for granted.
Our nearest city of any size (NAB marketshare 161) is an hour away, so we are really "out there". We have neither fiber optic nor cable, and those with satellite report frequent outages for their $80/month. We could buy a PCMCI card for we do have cell phone service, but they won't guarantee speeds over 128kb/s (although 2.4 mb/s may occur!) and will drop that to 12 kb/s if data limits are exceeded but won't tell you what those limits are...for $60/month plus a new line fee.
We have one phone company for our area; Embarq. And it's either them at $25, or AOL at $10 per month for dialup.

I wish I could humble the laughing, smart-ax punks earlier in this thread by telling them that not everyone is so fortunate, but it is not possible to humble the Ignorantly Arrogant.

A lot of the computer tech people I know are guys, though, including myself. I barely know any females around my age that are very computer literate. I'm 15...

If you look back on my first post on this topic I was describing the way AOL was set up viewing it from
the point of a business model.
After all that is related to this topic, getting someone to purchase AOL.

Any business must understand about the people that they are marketing
their product to.

AOL wanted to provide a dial up sevice that made it easy for a wide variety of people to both use and desire to use.
Men and womem from a marketing viewpoint are different; have been, allways will be.

Women tend to not be "hunters" , they expect not to have to waste
time trying to "hunt".

After posting my previous statement, I did a search and found this
that explains what I am trying to say.

http://www.vngroup.com/Aoir/Vickie.htm

Maybe that is one problem that Time Warner has had in making AOL
still work, continueing with a business based on exactally
what I said at first, "Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women".

It was not meant to be putting women down, just that when first set up. AOL went for the begining computer users and women,
and with regards to women, making it easy for them to find things that they were interested in without "hunting".

Men and women are diffferent and any buisness trying to sell a product considers these differences in trying to match
their product to these differences.

I see the probem with a forum; you try not to go into too much
detail, then people miss understand exactlly what you are
trying to say. So, I gess to that I have to say that phrase,
go figure,

Take time to read the complete paper; it
was written by a women.

She also describes men as hunters.

Almost everyone of my friends who once had AOL were not able
to cancel it because "their wives wanted them to keep AOL as
they said it was so easy for them to use" ie,,, they did not want to
learn anything more than just getting to the info they
were searching for as quickly and as possible.

Looks like to me that AOL's original designers followed the "spirit"
of what this paper goes into!

http://www.vngroup.com/Aoir/Vickie.htm

Challenges in Developing User Interfaces
that are Intuitive for Both Men and Women
Maastricht, October, 2002
Vickie S. Van Ness
Chief Media Officer
Van Ness Group, Inc.

Originally posted by ken9771:

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Originally posted by ringwar :
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The United States really needs to start investing more money in the the laying of fiberoptic lines. I am in Japan right now and everyone has Fiber. And they only pay $40 a month for a T1 Line. Go Figure --------------------------------------------------------------------------

I did go figure,,,, it's like this,,,,,

"Who" needs to start investing more money?, "Who" will pay?
Are you implying it should be the government?
How about companies like ATT; they are raiseing their DSL rates by 5 bucks and everyone is bitching about that! Should they invest more
money to lay fiber to each house and then try to get someone to
pay for it?

(Fiber only needs to reach within a mile or so, DSL works on copper
from that point to your house, even at the 6meg rate.
ATT's Uverse will bring both high speed data and video, and still uses
copper wire for the last few thousand feet.)

You say in Japan right now everyone has Fiber; $40.00 bucks for a T1 line. A T1 line is only 1.54 mbs/sec max, that is a high price connection there as opposed to ATT's DSL service on copper here in the good old USA!

Because of the pending ATT price increase I increased my speed to
the 1.54 rate; (again, that is considered a T1). I pay 20 bucks a month, price locked for a year.

I bet the reason everyone has fiber is because everyone over there
can reach out and touch someone, that is really touch someone because of the density in the population as opposed to the way we in the US live, with lots of space between us.

Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.
Most people think that they are actually on the internet when using their service, however that is not correct, they are actually working out of one of the AOL's servers entirely. (that is the purpose of the "Keywords"), AOL looks at your browseing and inserts advertsements, you end up thinking that they originate from the distant webpages. AOL make it's money this way, that is why they could hand out all those thousands of "free" hours of connect time.
AOL provided "their version of the internet". After they add the extra's, the distant webpage is actually downloaded by their sever
and then sent to you, along with what ever else they want you to see.

So that's the way you go figure!

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Fiber does not ONLY need to reach a mile. Verizon's FIOS is FIBER AT THE DOOR and so is everyone else's. I hope you're not implying that fiber doesn't transmit as far as copper because you'd be dead wrong as I know from expert and professional experience that fiber can transmit WITHOUT INTEGRITY LOSS from New York to California. As for the comparison to a T1...............well, this is how I can tell you're not a technician or networking/data professional (and if you are then time for a new profession for you), as anyone who knows a bit about T1s notes 2 major benefits. Granted, yes, cable and DSL (crap) offer speeds like 4, 6, 8, downloads but they fluctuate like a bitch contingent upon the use on that network. DSL only guarantees your speed from the CO to the demarc (your house) but doesn't take into account the traffic AT THE Central Office. Cable is of course contingent upon how many people are actively on the nodes at the same time. A T1 is totally and emphatically unaffected by the number of people on any other network so the speeds are untouched and 1.5Mbps is consistent and reliable. In addition to that, a T1's upload is also 1.5Mbps which is consistent and reliable compared to cable modem or DSL which is only averaging 384Kbps up.............unless you're paying out the whazoo for 8 or 12Mbps down and then you get 1.5 up still subjected to massive fluctuations.

This now concludes network and data transmission medium 101.
Class is over. If you have further questions, ask your mommies and daddies.

fiber optic is used for businesses big ones.

Small bussiness satalite

Coax&DSL Middle class people

Dail-up ISDN & ADSL for people who seldom ever get on the internet.

This is Corprate America, you are only free if you can affored it, or cower at the people who tell you whats is wrong and what is right.
That is Corprate America

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"Who" needs to start investing more money?, "Who" will pay?
Are you implying it should be the government?
How about companies like ATT; they are raiseing their DSL rates by 5 bucks and everyone is bitching about that! Should they invest more
money to lay fiber to each house and then try to get someone to
pay for it?

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The great thing about fiber is once it is laid, it doesn't need to get upgraded. If you want more bandwidth, you just upgrade the routers, switches, and the like. the cable stays where it is, and has no need to be upgraded, unlike copper, where if you want more bandwidth, you have to lay more copper. With the price of copper now, it is actually a good investment to create an essentially "future-proof" network that nobody will want to steal and sell for scrap.

When it comes to AOL dial-up, i say just dissolve it and invest the newfound capital in a good fiber-based network. I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to buy what is (was) in my opinion the crappiest of ISPs.

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Anyway about AOL, that ISP was designed for beginers, mainly women.

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Yeah.. comments like that don't help.. I'm a woman, and been using computers longer than a lot of the members here have been alive.. go figure..

Dialup still has a role. It happens to be very useful to have an account if you travel a lot and wind up in some hick town the back woods miles from anywhere with only a phoneline for company.

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Don't make comments about women. Hicks, rednecks, and hillbillies are fair game.

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Don't make comments about women. Hicks, rednecks, and hillbillies are fair game.

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Ya know that aint nice to Caller us Fair Game,CitySlicker.

But honestly i thought there was a no Profiling in the forum rules guess i was wrong. anyway dont profile against anyone please period.

i dont care if the are blue puple green, come from mars saturn or venus, Profiling is not good.

I just found varnull's post to be very ironic. I love small town folk.

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No Harm Done Man, not to me anyway.

AOL Dialup = overpriced piece of crap.

everybody knows what is meant by a "hick town"

One motheaten horse and people sitting on the porch chewin tobaccee and spitting, while eyeing you with that "looky here ma.. it dun be a stranger" stare that you normally see from a bull looking through a gate.

Sorry.. I saw a few places like that in my music business years..
"You want to use the phone?? Jake down at the saloon.. he got a phone.. sometimes she works, sometimes not".. not just in the mid west either. I live in one now.. actually the local neanderthals are harder to fathom..ahhh Wigan.. thatched busses :lol:

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Yeah Varnull, But you get used to it after awhile. its a Great change from Urban area's some times i like the hick towns better no body to bother you, and everybody knows everybody.

i used to live in Madina Ohio, The 60 miles to Nowear county.

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Yeah Varnull, But you get used to it after awhile. its a Great change from Urban area's some times i like the hick towns better no body to bother you, and everybody knows everybody.

i used to live in Madina Ohio, The 60 miles to Nowear county.

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Country gas prices.
City vandalism/tax prices.

LOL Zippy, i think those are questions.

Well back on topic, aol is at the end of its rope. if i had the money i would buy aol and turn it into a free dail-up service for everybody, cause a computer is not a computer with out internet.
or turn into a gaint p2p service just tick off RIAA&MPAA there inter net connection is so fast the cant recieve info dail-up style,or mabey turn it into a free P2P telephone service.

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LOL Zippy, i think those are questions.

Well back on topic, aol is at the end of its rope. if i had the money i would buy aol and turn it into a free dail-up service for everybody, cause a computer is not a computer with out internet.
or turn into a gaint p2p service just tick off RIAA&MPAA there inter net connection is so fast the cant recieve info dail-up style,or mabey turn it into a free P2P telephone service.

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*yawns*
My thought was unfinished
Gas prices are to high for rural areas and Cities have vandalism/tax issues :P

I think all isp should get rid of dial up and upgrade all exsisting dial up users to the slowest adsl speed. It will still remain profitable and the isp's should keepp the contracts at the same rate as the users had.