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Franco45_Let it go Bro,Whats done is done.

ok ddp, I didnt know that, thanks for clearing that up. If a movie star from any country "Wants to make it Big" Where do they go? Hollywood....enough said. And I am sure other countries make nice movies. But I cant tell you about anyone in the U.S. that has seen them.
P.S. Now go watch the GodFather 1 and 2- skip 3.

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Wrong... bollywood movies outsell hollywood offerings 10 to 1.. they just tend to sell in asia on vcd where the media watchers and number counters can conveniently ignore them... that's all. You don't seem to grasp the potential audience figures for films in asia.. India alone has a potential market of 200,000,000 for a new film on vcd. The total output from the asian media companies is stupendous.. but of course hollywood will conveniently ignore anything which isn't putting $$$$ in their pockets.

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ok ddp, I didnt know that, thanks for clearing that up. If a movie star from any country "Wants to make it Big" Where do they go? Hollywood....enough said. And I am sure other countries make nice movies. But I cant tell you about anyone in the U.S. that has seen them.
P.S. Now go watch the GodFather 1 and 2- skip 3.

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This is exactly the crux of the argument/debate though - People keep saying things about how they know no one in the US that has seen ANY non Hollywood movies - these statements are completely unfounded, as I challenge ANYONE to say (with belief) that they have never seen a non american film. Statements like that dont even need challenging, because everyone knows they are WRONG.

"If a movie star from any country "Wants to make it Big" Where do they go? Hollywood....enough said."

No, not enough said! You seem to see the world through the limited consumer driven pulp culture that is thrown at americans through the banal television channels that are pumped into your homes every day and night. This is not reality! I do understand that the average american knows very little about anywhere outside of america, and this is understandable to a small degree as you live in such a huge continent where its hard enough to even grasp your own countries content, never mind the vast and wide world outside of it.

But people dont just go to hollywood to make it big. The type of person that dreams of being on american idol and absorbs reality tv morning noon and night dreams of that. Or people who just want instant easy fame or get rich quick ideas. They perhaps go to hollywood - mainly because they are sadly obsessed with celebrity tv culture, which is common place across america and indeed britain too - which is a tragedy tbh

But no, people DO watch movies from other parts of the world. European cinema is amazing stuff! as is Bollywood and Korean cinema.

My main reason for getting frustrated in this thread is when people say things like 'I dont know ANYONE who watches 'Foreign' films' or 'Hollywood is the only industry that matters' or 'All movies outside of america are dispensable'

These are immature statements that arent worth the electrons they were printed with, and im starting to realise I have no idea why im even trying to rectify statements which have so little content them!

Varnull: Numbers mean nothing. I am taliking about good movies, not B movies, Bollywood?!LOL,you serious? And I am not saying there are not good movie that are made in other countrys. All I am saying is American movies are mainstream, Good or bad. And like I said before,movies from the last eight years or so have been decent at best from the U.S. I in no way want to disrespect you or forgen films. My point is that Most people in the world know American movies over any other countries movies. If there was a survey on "what you favorite movie of all time was" what do you think the answer would be? from all countries? No matter how you feel about hollywood or America, Most people in the world want to see American movies. Sorry thats just the way it is.

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At the risk of repeating myself time and time again, could you please give some facts to actual substantiate your comments?

'Most' of the world isnt middle america. Most people in the world live in china and speak mandarin, Bollywood is a far larger industry than hollywood with far more people watching it.

I do understand what you are saying, but you are talking from an obviously very limited personal perspective, assuming that most of the world is a white middle american hollywood fan. Thats because you seem to actually believe what the media throws at you and can only see or talk from a limited dumbed down western perpective.

Ok so this may be splitting hairs a little, but people really shouldnt talk in absolutes, especially on subjects where their comments can be ripped apart so very quickly and easily. Its not even good target practise!

Excellent, another fine example of why afterdawn mods suck at doing their job - well most of them anyways.

Wasn't this article suppose to be about CH-DVD and how it's finally going into production? Yea it was, but instead you get countless OFF TOPIC flame war posts that have NOTHING to do with this article. If this had been an HD-DVD, Blu-ray, Sony, or Microsoft article, all this off topic arguing would have ended with bans or some type of warning.

Shouldn't we be discussing what audio format's it supports? Does it support 5.1 analog out? Does it also play regular DVD's? Does it upconvert regular DVD's if it does allow playback for the format? What kind of video processing chip does this thing use? What kind of video compression method does it use?

Who cares about Hollywood, Bollywood, or any other independent foreign film studio. And who cares about who is better and who enjoys what. What ever happened to CH-DVD? I want to discuss the TECH!


So what exactly are the mods doing you might ask? Well I talked to one of the administrators here at the site and they gave me a few reasons why nothing has been done yet. Below is a list that was mailed to me a few hours ago.

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How long till I get banned? Who knows and who cares! Go to a real forum like AVS, you guys will enjoy it much more there.

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31337HD, lightning struck!!! post edited. you are also full of bs about the list from site admin. lets get back on topic shall we ladies & gents.

I think I'm the only person who has commented on the format and it's potential target market..

About time there was an upgrade at low cost for places like Papua where communal village cinema is the norm and vcd or vhs still rule.

We will probably see this technology around here.. Large asian population with asian rental shops supplying bollywood and hong kong movies. I'm quite looking forward to seeing these machines hit the shelves in the shops where vcd players are still sold. They have great potential for people who aren't interested in the yankee imperialist propaganda output from hollywood, and in situations where price is the deciding factor in making a media choice... Of course members of the blu-ray cartel will try to trash it before it even starts, because they see their attempted media monopoly broken from a direction they have no control over whatsoever.. I don't think hong kong and bollywood studios can be so easily bought off with a few hundred million dollars.. that's probably less than 10% of what they gross on every single film.

Cheap media and hardware = massive sales.. what the far east, and especially China has always been good at ;)

Of course middle America will never see it.. and good riddance to them too.. they are obviously too ignorant of the outside world to ever take a responsible and active part in it..

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"Limited dumbed down western perpective" You said. I was trying to be nice, but I see you cant take the truth. Everyone outside of America loves to hate us. But then again everyone is trying to get here, why is that? It's real easy to hate something that you don’t have. And you say "dumbed down perspective" Don’t be jealous, And by the way you say I’m dumb, you cant even spell "perspective" It's just the way it is. America sets the standard for most things. Deal with it. Your just another American hating person who can't deal with the facts.
P.S. The best is when I see these people in the middle East that hate America so much and want us dead. And they talk about their favorite music and movies and clothes; and guess what they are? American music, American movies and American clothes! And the list goes on. Get my point.

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And they talk about their favorite music and movies and clothes; and guess what they are? American music, American movies and American clothes! And the list goes on. Get my point.

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sorry franco buddy im gonna have to stop you there, i;ve been to Beirut several times over the years and besides starbucks their not to keen on American culture, thats right they dont even care for our films.. their pants and clothes are french lol ironic?? i dont mean to nitpick sorry, iran is still pretty closed of from the west to (same with saudia araba)
the only middle eastern area that clones our culture is the emirates, but thats different:)



on the subject of CH-DVD will the chinese allow there country men to easily share this format or will foreign influence make distribution difficult and perhaps expensive, does anyone know that RIAA stance on the media yet??

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Only other country iv been to is Russia, and there is very low percentage of actual western goods, even there food is Russian. with hardly any foreign imports, any imports that are shipped are actually shipped in what people call the iron shaft if the local authority don't like what they see they can imprison you or worse kill you.

tripplite, they say its very similar to blue-ray if thats the case it would be interesting to see if a blue-ray burner can burn this media type. Any Afterdawners have any specs on this yet like laser wave-length and such.

You guys say: Beirut and Russia! WHAT! I'am talking about Civilized countries. Not countries where the their government tells them what they can do or have. And Like you said, They dont allow American goods in alot of countries. And besides hating Amreican. But I know for a fact that in even countries that Hate America thay still have and like American things, *STARBUCKS* And thats 2 out of hundreds of countries in the world.

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Franco45, i respect you determination.

I was talking out of my own experience nothing more nothing less.

Originally posted by Franco45:

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"Limited dumbed down western perpective" You said. I was trying to be nice, but I see you cant take the truth. Everyone outside of America loves to hate us. But then again everyone is trying to get here, why is that? It's real easy to hate something that you don’t have. And you say "dumbed down perspective" Don’t be jealous, And by the way you say I’m dumb, you cant even spell "perspective" It's just the way it is. America sets the standard for most things. Deal with it. Your just another American hating person who can't deal with the facts.
P.S. The best is when I see these people in the middle East that hate America so much and want us dead. And they talk about their favorite music and movies and clothes; and guess what they are? American music, American movies and American clothes! And the list goes on. Get my point.

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Everyone loves america and wants to be there? You have been watching far too many party political broadcasts! My bad spelling? Your bad judgement for picking hairs over a simple and very obvious typo! If you want to try to rip into me, please at least try to make statements that show you in a good light, not someone grasping at straws!

I dont necessarily hate america per se. I do believe that bush is the worlds number one terrorist and that america as a whole has caused more damage and genocide in the world than hitler could have ever have dreamt of. but no. I dont hate america. I wish it would stop causing so much damage around the world. I wish americans wouldnt be so greedy and would stop guzzling the worlds resources so quickly and so carelessly. I wish I could find americans to have decent world political discussions with. I wish that america would be brought to trial for war crimes in the middle east. I wish america would stop meddling in the affairs of other countries and being the worlds number one bully, with britain its pathetic little jimbo jones to americas nelson muntz..

America sets the standards for the world? It doesnt, it really doesnt! The far east sets most of the standards. Have a look around your collection of consumer goods. I think you will find the majority were made in china or japan. Electronical standards - pretty much all japanese im afraid!

Im jealous? Of what? You are a country in a huge recession, run by a corrupt dictatorship with a positively retarded man in alleged control of the whole country, gun crime is out of control (where I am its pretty much non existent), ghost towns are springing up all over america where industries have went in, sucked up the local economy and then moved out, american tv is absolutely appalling! Its the most obese and unhealthy nation on earth, and educational levels per capita are positively backwards! Yeah, jealous! thats funny!

People want to go there because its easy to clean up in america financially. So many gullible people to be fleeced. I dont want to go there. Never. I like europe, I like the middle east like dubai, I like japan.

But thats got nothing to do with ch-dvd or the movie industry.

I merely pointed out that hollywood certainly isnt the main player in the movie industry. That there are other industries too, such as bollywood that you so flippantly and rashly scorned and dismissed as a pointless extension to the argument. I get the impression that when you speak for 'all americans' that you are speaking for your own close community of peers, that are happy just watching the latest judd apatow offering or other such low brow no brainer offerings that seem to be everywhere at the moment. Thats ok, personal perspectives are good. As long as they are just that. Personal. And not made out to be an example of the american psyche as a whole. Because on the whole, I like americans. The ones who are willing to think for themselves that is, the ones who see through the daily lies they are given via their corrupt media and absolute mockery of a government.

But to get back on track.... CH DVD will be huge. Im sure of that. China is the worlds new super power and money talks. America is on the wane and the far east is the place to look to for new technologies and new big players at the table.

In my opinion.

Originally posted by cyberdogg:

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Originally posted by Franco45:

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"Limited dumbed down western perpective" You said. I was trying to be nice, but I see you cant take the truth. Everyone outside of America loves to hate us. But then again everyone is trying to get here, why is that? It's real easy to hate something that you don’t have. And you say "dumbed down perspective" Don’t be jealous, And by the way you say I’m dumb, you cant even spell "perspective" It's just the way it is. America sets the standard for most things. Deal with it. Your just another American hating person who can't deal with the facts.
P.S. The best is when I see these people in the middle East that hate America so much and want us dead. And they talk about their favorite music and movies and clothes; and guess what they are? American music, American movies and American clothes! And the list goes on. Get my point.

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Everyone loves america and wants to be there? You have been watching far too many party political broadcasts! My bad spelling? Your bad judgement for picking hairs over a simple and very obvious typo! If you want to try to rip into me, please at least try to make statements that show you in a good light, not someone grasping at straws!

I dont necessarily hate america per se. I do believe that bush is the worlds number one terrorist and that america as a whole has caused more damage and genocide in the world than hitler could have ever have dreamt of. but no. I dont hate america. I wish it would stop causing so much damage around the world. I wish americans wouldnt be so greedy and would stop guzzling the worlds resources so quickly and so carelessly. I wish I could find americans to have decent world political discussions with. I wish that america would be brought to trial for war crimes in the middle east. I wish america would stop meddling in the affairs of other countries and being the worlds number one bully, with britain its pathetic little jimbo jones to americas nelson muntz..

America sets the standards for the world? It doesnt, it really doesnt! The far east sets most of the standards. Have a look around your collection of consumer goods. I think you will find the majority were made in china or japan. Electronical standards - pretty much all japanese im afraid!

Im jealous? Of what? You are a country in a huge recession, run by a corrupt dictatorship with a positively retarded man in alleged control of the whole country, gun crime is out of control (where I am its pretty much non existent), ghost towns are springing up all over america where industries have went in, sucked up the local economy and then moved out, american tv is absolutely appalling! Its the most obese and unhealthy nation on earth, and educational levels per capita are positively backwards! Yeah, jealous! thats funny!

People want to go there because its easy to clean up in america financially. So many gullible people to be fleeced. I dont want to go there. Never. I like europe, I like the middle east like dubai, I like japan.

But thats got nothing to do with ch-dvd or the movie industry.

I merely pointed out that hollywood certainly isnt the main player in the movie industry. That there are other industries too, such as bollywood that you so flippantly and rashly scorned and dismissed as a pointless extension to the argument. I get the impression that when you speak for 'all americans' that you are speaking for your own close community of peers, that are happy just watching the latest judd apatow offering or other such low brow no brainer offerings that seem to be everywhere at the moment. Thats ok, personal perspectives are good. As long as they are just that. Personal. And not made out to be an example of the american psyche as a whole. Because on the whole, I like americans. The ones who are willing to think for themselves that is, the ones who see through the daily lies they are given via their corrupt media and absolute mockery of a government.

But to get back on track.... CH DVD will be huge. Im sure of that. China is the worlds new super power and money talks. America is on the wane and the far east is the place to look to for new technologies and new big players at the table.

In my opinion.

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Brought to war crimes in the middle east? not sure what your on bro,but give me some of whatever your on.I think if anyone should be brought down it should be the middle east with innocent civilians getting their heads chopped off or severe punishment for petty crimes get my drift.I can atleast say that in America that they are pretty lenient against crimes committed.I can also say America is pretty much the only country to abide by the Genova Convention.I do agree that America has issues,but to say that the middle east doesn't is by far the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.I think if you don't live in America your views are going to be persuaded to believe BS regardless of what you think.I mean god damn does America always have to be hated by everyone for showing some balls against the middle east.I mean we have been at war with the middle east since Desert Storm,so its not out of the ordinary for us to be there.I'm sure if your country was bashed as bad as America you would have a different outlook.For now on leave politics out of discussions unless its on topic and you know what the hell your talking about.The CH-DVD topic shouldn't be a political discussion its off topic and talking about politics gets old very quick.

On the subject how much will it cost for CH-DVD,because this is the issue we have with Blu-Ray at the moment.If it can be produced cheaper and sold for less with the same high quality Blu-Ray offers then it may be worth it.Its a good idea to bring another format out to create competition so the prices fall and make it affordable for the public.

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I didnt say that the middle east arent to blame for things, but at least their strict regime is coded within their culture and societal rules.

America faked allegations of weapons of mass destruction, america has ignored human rights treaties at every single turn, they detain innocent civilians in guantanamo bay, they doctor the news at a level only surpassed by china, they invade countries despite having no legal grounds and even when proof is brought to light to show their actions were illegal.

The instances are almost endless and the facts are blatently obvious. Please dont try to back up such things because that really is pointless. Americas war crimes around the world are well documented and thats why the majority of the world is anti american. And rightly so, the same as much of the world was anti japanese and anti germany during the 2nd world war - Holocausts arent just european things, remember the american indians anyone??

Sorry for the transgression of thread again, but absolutely idiotic claims like the one above are so ignorant and devoid of fact. America isnt the exception to justice and the laws of the free world, and NEEDS to be brought to trial for the horrors perpetrated. And im not even going into the real reason for their involvement in the 2nd world war and how they KNEW what was happening with the holocaust but chose to sit back, watch it unfold and then just go in for the kill at the end when the true fighters had been ripped to shreds for 5 years. Try counting how many russians died fighting and how few americans, and how america coincidentally profited at the end of the war and established its disgusting little footholds across the world as a result.

Now that is the true facts and horrors of american history. And all just outside of living memory - way to go!

There is so very much I could add - americans illegal torturing of civilians and soldiers, their brutality in abu graib, their biological testing, the methods used for recruiting american teenagers, constant illegal and immoral sanctions, unwillingness to listen or abide by international conventions. Abides by the geneva convention my ass!

Now please, back to CH-DVD discussion...

Originally posted by cyberdogg:

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I didnt say that the middle east arent to blame for things, but at least their strict regime is coded within their culture and societal rules.

America faked allegations of weapons of mass destruction, america has ignored human rights treaties at every single turn, they detain innocent civilians in guantanamo bay, they doctor the news at a level only surpassed by china, they invade countries despite having no legal grounds and even when proof is brought to light to show their actions were illegal.

The instances are almost endless and the facts are blatently obvious. Please dont try to back up such things because that really is pointless. Americas war crimes around the world are well documented and thats why the majority of the world is anti american. And rightly so, the same as much of the world was anti japanese and anti germany during the 2nd world war - Holocausts arent just european things, remember the american indians anyone??

Sorry for the transgression of thread again, but absolutely idiotic claims like the one above are so ignorant and devoid of fact. America isnt the exception to justice and the laws of the free world, and NEEDS to be brought to trial for the horrors perpetrated. And im not even going into the real reason for their involvement in the 2nd world war and how they KNEW what was happening with the holocaust but chose to sit back, watch it unfold and then just go in for the kill at the end when the true fighters had been ripped to shreds for 5 years. Try counting how many russians died fighting and how few americans, and how america coincidentally profited at the end of the war and established its disgusting little footholds across the world as a result.

Now that is the true facts and horrors of american history. And all just outside of living memory - way to go!

There is so very much I could add - americans illegal torturing of civilians and soldiers, their brutality in abu graib, their biological testing, the methods used for recruiting american teenagers, constant illegal and immoral sanctions, unwillingness to listen or abide by international conventions. Abides by the geneva convention my ass!

Now please, back to CH-DVD discussion...

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Hey buddy,you would all be running around screaming hail Hitler if it wasn't for are grandfathers. Mine died not to long ago he was a WW2 Vet. He took 3 bullets for sorry assholes like you go think about that.

yes please back on topic, before i do something stupid

Your an idiot cyberdogg point blank bringing in politics which is off topic in this discussion is wrong.If America didn't take the indians out who is to say someone else wouldn't.The technology they had was almost identical to a caveman.If you think smoking peyote and living in teepees and fighting against each other with spears and arrows was going to protect them then your wrong.I do recall that they are filthy rich with casinos given to them by us on indian reserves and we gave back even if it was wrong.When it comes to WW2 if America didn't step in Germany would have ruled Europe or even the world so I don't want to hear it.They had almost seized all of Russia before America stepped in,and to think America didn't contribute for defeating the Germans is wrong.I can go on all day if you want,but that is not the point I was making.I think your mind is set on hating America even if I stated facts to back them up.You don't know America as well as I do since I'm a resident,and politics is not in this discussion so go screw yourself.I'm not going to get into a debate with a clown that doesn't know his facts,and its true you don't know jack about America.The discussion was about CH-DVD not America and I'm sick and tired of seeing politics brought into the news article discussions when it shouldn't in the first place and the majority of it is bashing America.

There should be a new rule set I think no politics and no religion simple as that.You can keep your views to yourself on politics and religion as long as I don't have to read it in a thread that is talking about something completely different.

Just wanted to say I posted before seeing your message ddp no intention meant on breaking any rules.

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So, at the risk of sounding stupid, can i get someone to explain CH-DVD to me, and what difference it's likely to make, if any, to people in Europe? Thanks :)

I really want to see a spec sheet or something on CH-DVD, i dont think it will have a major impact on Europe or America, maybe no more than VCD and S-VCD, maybe less. who really knows right now. will just have to wait and see.

LOL @ cyberdogg! This dude is still rambling on like a moron...


Anyways, let's see some of those CH-DVD specs!

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