LOL! Yeah, I have to agree with Jasper44 on this one - my bet's on the 40-year-old lonely man. BiGsAl, you kinda remind me of this funny guy on one of the old Twilight Zone shows who loved yelling and loud noises and always thought he was out at sea on a noisy ship. What, with your "SEACREST OUTTTTTTT" thingy and all... That said, I'm not really trying to flame you or anything (though, you'll probably react as though I am anyway), I just honestly find you very funny. :D

i agree with DVDback them singers dont care if we download there music.As for Nero i got mine from limewirepro(with a key generator) i did get a copy with my burner but i lost it.as for limewire pro that cost me about 20cents.

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BiGsAl

If I see even the slightest mention of anything that doesn't have to do with the thread topic I'll ban you in a heartbeat. Politics and race have absolutely no bearing here.




To the rest of you

Don'y play a child's game. I know you're all above that sort of thing so don't make me get heavy on you folks either.

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Sorry about that but he was pissing me off.

..........either you slang crack rock or you got a wicked jumpshot.........

nephilim i feel that if anyone should be banned it should be afterdawn for it has step by step detailed info on backing up your<legally> dvd's or dvd base games last time i checkt that was in itself illegal check out www.fbi.com under copyrited section in a way afterdawn is indeed encouraging pirates to be schooled. i like afterdawn and wish to stay it is a good site but I WONT STEP DOWN TO ANYBODY.im voiceing my own thought if you or afterdawn cant cope with it than do what you have to do 1st amendment right freedom of speech!look it up...TEAM CORE 2005 SHAREREACTOR....
SEACREST OUT!!!!you mess with fire you get burn..IM 1 IN A BILLION WE ARE THE PLAGUE.
WE ARE THE KEY! FEAR NOT WHO WE ARE BUT WHAT WE CAN DO!

BiGsAl, the FBI has juridiction in the United States. AfterDawn is hosted in Finland. While it will likely change soon (I heard Finland is adopting stricter laws), AfterDawn is currently completely legal. Also, AfterDawn does not encourage piracy of any sort. Unauthorized copying (which is not the same as piracy) is still legal in some places and does, in fact, have legitimate uses.

once again read before you respond to me boy INTERPOOL is over anycountry this lines your isp runs thru is u.s.a. lines.Unauthorized copying (which is not the same as piracy) is still legal in some places
yeah but not the usa.if a man murders another man and flees the country and the f.b.i finds where he is at they will call that country and get that criminal back.look i loveeeeeeee afterdawn i enjoy all the info and the b.s that goes here.but i have been to europe,asia,scotland and so far piracy is piracy.
look at the fact bigtime rappers dont realy care what you do they make there money either way.anybody can start a dupliating business all you need is a license
sometimes the same people withing leak there info. my friend started a company 25 years ago from scratch
www.duplium.com now he is a millionaire out of dallas texas he duplicates all sort of cd,dvd rapper like mike jones,gospel singers etc with there approval in writting. i have many autograph cd,dvd's in my 250,000 dollar home this is a hobby for me unlike some people i dont have to get up in the morning to go to work i enjoy my time with my family <and made good money>.....i know the way this business works i have been a part of it for the past 5 years i know what im talking ABOUGHT i dont just ask for opinions i provide facts....so far the only one with a brain besides me is lawndog,xboxdevil,jaqbly,DVDBack23 real people with real brains make it in this world maybe the moderators need to go to moderating school or better yet make me a moderator.... ill have the expirence and dont talk out of my ass...c.o.r.e 2005
the red cd team.........look for it and learn you have to know somebody that knows somebody that robbed somebody to get it......................seacrest outtttttttt

looks like bigsal knows it all guys we bow to him, HE NOW RUNS THIS SITE, its all his we know nothing, we have assumed control scotty beam me up.

hoped you enjoyed your short stay bro.

BiGsAl's gone and the rest of you need to settle down and get back on topic.

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BiGsAL,
I still don't get why a big boy living in a $250,000 house, who knows it all, only provides facts, and has real brains says

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for 1 not everyone on this site is american i am not for 1.2 piracy is legal in some asian countries and even if i admitted to piracy my ip changes everytime i log on the internet so it would be hard to track me down and if the FBI or INTERPOLL did track me down it would be thrown outta court due to the fact that they used illegal means to track me.as for INTERPOLL my friends been on the run from them for like 3years and they still cant find he.hes murdered at least 30 people.INTERPOLL have better stuff to do then crack down on piracy.i dont know the copy right laws in finland so i cant comment on this site except that if this site is gonna get in trouble it will be in finland and not usa.as usa laws only apply to people in usa.

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Nephilim thank you thank you sir!!

all the problems on this earth and the FBI putting resoures in to theses kind of things is be on me. of course theses guys were def. over the top

man,i just read over this thread out of boredom and man was i just entertained.just imagine that guy in a court room as a lawyer.i think the judge would jump the bench and choke that guy himself.

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the fact is whether you chose to commit piracy is up to you.@sui cyco i totally agree with you.if only i was a judge or moderator.goodjob neph

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Thank you Nephilim. I'm sorry if I was out of line too.

"The allegations of massive piracy of music and software reflect the potential loss of millions of dollars to the artists and businesses who legitimately own the copyrights on these works,"
I'm crying-------------->really....I am

but are you really crying?...or just faking it?

there is nothing worse than a faker.

I believe it is fair to say that if I were a member of the league of vampires (the motion picture and music industry of america),I would most likely lament the loss of extra mercedes', multi-million dollar homes and new swiss bank accounts that pirating in one form or another deprives them of. But in all honesty I do not feel pity nor shed a tear for those who have to much already and look to go after and make examples of the average joe to warn the rest that they may be next. For every one they prosecute a million more there will be. Piratism cannot be stopped, it will just evolve against every obstacle. This is not to say I condone the actions of ones like those mentioned in the article above, that's just plain greed and stupidity. Profit should not be the goal, it should be sharing.

you could also point out that the people complaining about piracy are also taking part in it.think about it,who is one of the biggest complainers about piracy...SONY!but they make dvd burners and blank dvdr's.which you obviously need to pirate their stuff. who really needs a dvd burner to store 5-9gb of files onto one disc? or who has that many home movies to warrant a 100pk spindle of dvdr's? (maybe an amateur porn star).so sony knows that they are making money on people backing up their movies and games that they own and from pirates that steal sony movies and games.you know sony burners sell like hot cakes as well as their media because of that fact.

The movie and music industry, like any other business is profit motivated. Additionally most of these companies are publicly owned and must answer to the shareholders (me and you or someone you know) who demand a profit.

The music industry has suffered in large part to a poorer quality product due to their focus on band appearance rather than the music. This resulted in huge profits in the short term with short-lived acts and left talented musicians to make it on their own. Recording artists get somewhere around a dollar per CD after production costs are met. Many do not pocket much money from CD sales, which is why some support giving their music away. This increases the band following allowing them to sell more concert tickets, where they can make some money. (bought a Stones ticket lately?)

In any year many movies are produced; some that make a huge profit, some that are box office bombs, and many in between. And some that don’t get past the test market and go right to DVD. If the studios knew beforehand that a movie would result in red ink, it obviously wouldn't see the light of day. The successes help offset the failures.

DVD sales have opened up a new avenue for the studios to increase the likelihood that a movie will result in a profit or enable them to reduce their losses. This allows the studios to take more risks in the movies it chooses to make. Some would contend that this results in lower quality films. But it also results in some good movies that are not appealing to the movie going public (mostly teenagers), and instead enjoying success in the DVD market.

It appears most here are against piracy and support copying a movie or CD that you do not own for private use. Some have rationalized that the studios make too much money so their actions are justified (I suppose they are looking at the studio’s balance sheet). Others have indicated that if they copy a movie that they would not have otherwise purchased, then no one loses. And further contend that since the studios get a portion of the proceeds of blank media sales, they do make money and should be happy with that.

The conclusion that Sony supports piracy by manufacturing DVD burners by a previous writer is ridiculous. Consumers will buy DVD burners. If Sony can make money by selling burners and blank media, then they are going to do it or be beaten out by their competitors. Should a car manufacturer cease to produce cars because they are being used to commit crime? These devices can legitimately be used for home movies, PVR’s, data backup, along with making DVD backups of movies you own.

While the studios aren’t losing a sale when someone makes a copy of a DVD that he or she would not have otherwise purchased, there currently is no way to permit that while preventing copying one that would have otherwise been purchased.

I would surmise that most people who copy movies and music for their own use that they do not own are doing simply because they can, more convenient, but mostly because it costs less. The listener supported radio station in my area points out during its fund drives that only ten percent of the people listening will make a donation. The station doesn’t incur any additional expense if I listen. And they don’t even know if I’m listening. But someone has to pay for the programming or it will not continue to exist. By the same token as long as enough people are willing to rent and purchase DVD’s for a profit to be made, they will continue to be there.

As a software developer, if I spent my time and money developing marketable software only to have the public decide they should be able to obtain it free of charge, I would fight it as well.

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of course they dont support the piracy of their stuff.if you havent noticed,sony movies are usually the hardest movies to backup.and they pursue people more aggressively for piracy.but what other entertainment company produces dvd burners and blank media? none that i know of.while they dont want anybody pirating or lagally backing up their stuff they dont mind you cutting down their competition in the entertainment world while making a profit on it themselves.

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yes,but how effective is it to put everybody in jail for doing so?you would overload the legal system and then the government would start to get irate with the software companies for not finding ways to better protect their software and depending on the government to be their personal security guards.if they dont want people pirating their software then they should spend some money on bettering their software protection.just like people buy car alarms to protect their car and not ask a cop to sit out in front of their house all day.

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yes,but how effective is it to put everybody in jail for doing so?you would overload the legal system and then the government would start to get irate with the software companies for not finding ways to better protect their software and depending on the government to be their personal security guards.if they dont want people pirating their software then they should spend some money on bettering their software protection.just like people buy car alarms to protect their car and not ask a cop to sit out in front of their house all day.
I don’t see merit in your position. Would you suggest the police stop ticketing speeders because everyone is doing it? Or because the technology exists to put a speed restrictive device in a car that reacts with a signal on the road and limit the speed of the car to the posted limit? It isn’t necessary to put anybody in jail. Fining will deter the vast majority. As a taxpayer, I want my government to be fiscally responsible. If the government is spending money unnecessarily, then it is the taxpayers who bear the cost. However the government has a financial interest in this. The industry pays taxes and employs a great many people who also pay taxes.

If you were to intentionally leave your car running with the keys in the ignition while you run into the store and the car was stolen, is the thief any less guilty than had he picked the lock? Would you not expect the police to treat it as a crime and try to recover your vehicle and bring the thief to justice? The movie industry is not asking the government for prevention, as in your analogy, but rather legislation and enforcement. If a burglar wants to break into your home, he will find a way to do it. Banks take action to lessen the chance of robbery but it still happens. For years the credit card industry and to a lesser degree, the insurance industry, ignored fraud because it was such a small percentage of their business. They are now taking notice.

The dilemma here in my opinion is how to allow consumers to make legal backups of purchased media and prevent file swapping, piracy, and illegal copying. You are insinuating that either there is an easy solution or that the industry isn’t financially committed to finding it. I disagree with both of those assessments.

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of course they dont support the piracy of their stuff.if you havent noticed,sony movies are usually the hardest movies to backup.and they pursue people more aggressively for piracy.but what other entertainment company produces dvd burners and blank media? none that i know of.while they dont want anybody pirating or lagally backing up their stuff they dont mind you cutting down their competition in the entertainment world while making a profit on it themselves
I don’t find fault with Sony manufacturing DVD burners, as previously stated. They do have legal uses. Should Sony not make burners because the other studios are not making their movies difficult to backup while their competitors continue to sell them? While I don’t support the copy protection that prevents the consumer from making backup copies of purchased media, it sounds as though you would not find fault with Sony if all the studios put copy protection on.

This isn’t all that different than patents and the protection they’re afforded.

to sum it up(because these reponses are getting to drawn out).we have and other countries have more pressing issues than piracy.and software and entertainment companies need to fjght their own battles and quit burdening our governments about it.

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If you were to intentionally leave your car running with the keys in the ignition while you run into the store and the car was stolen, is the thief any less guilty than had he picked the lock?

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that guy is an idiot and i hope he never gets his car back.

thats what I`m talkin bout