I suppose at least you get a movie for all the trouble and grief it gives ur pc and a white elephant movie at that, instead of 90 minutes of a colour test screen or black picture.

B00KANEAR, I think you brought up a lot of good points...And I like your wife example. Anyways, this is actually very good and bad news at the same time...Like a box full of money with a bomb inside as well. We now have proof of our claims that is isn't our fault, but it also shows just how unstable the internet is. As long as there are people attempting to stop hackers, there will be hackers trying to stop the people stopping hackers. This may have been an example; they could have done much worse very easily. Instead of a movie, how bout an exe that ruins your system. I also agree that at least they gave a movie instead of a picture test, or worse...Your idea, how about a movie of illegal child porn? Oh well....At least we know they aren't out to ruin the computer world, because they could have already! :)

Razor

this story makes a good point on ips cuz really you could easly say it wasn't you. and you could use this as an example.

these hackers are very clever

1. Google Bluetack in the UK and learn how to protect yourself.
2. Sign up for a good Proxy service. For a few dollars a month your IP is completely hidden from hackers or anyone else.
3. Buy a router with built in hardware NAT/Firewall protection, even if you are not networking.
4. Run a GOOD software Firewall-ONLY proggie. You want one that does that ONE thing, and does it well.

damn sucks for the victims, thats some interesting stuff though

This is the work of SPECTRE !
Very damn funny by the way.

That aint good news.

So if they dont get busted for this do you think they will take it to the next step, if they do what could they do?

Its the same old crap

"They go thoruogh all the trouble of hacking and then they only take Mr Bean and Disney movies ? lol"
-It was probably a joke or a test to see what they could do. The hackers I'm sure had no interest in those movies.

i think the most dangerous thing on the movies is the price. If the price are lower no one download..but movie for a 20$ to buy it..it's so expensive.

let's these compagny in hollywood make their price less expensive and they win for sure

a question about downloading...can u be arrested for downloading or for just uploading files???

thanks

Well, according to what I have read, in Sweden or somewhere the supreme court ordered that it was only illegal to upload. You are spreading the file. Downloading, you are only requesting information that you could own already. I dont know how it is in US though...Haven't heard of such a case.

Razor

if anybody know about the law in america or canada for downloaoding and uploading can he tell me pls??

thank you

According to wiki: "Under US law, "the Betamax decision" case holds that copying "technologies" are not inherently illegal, if substantial non-infringing use can be made of them." I understand this as, nothing is illegal as long as it has practical legal use. Also, "In practice, many, often most, of the files shared on peer-to-peer networks are copies of copyrighted popular music and movies in wide variety of formats (MP3, MPEG, RM, etc.) Sharing of these copies is illegal in most jurisdictions." How would you define sharing? I would not include downloading as sharing. Furthermore, "In spite of the Betamax decision, peer-to-peer networks themselves have been targeted by the representatives of those artists and organizations who license their creative works, including industry trade organizations such as the RIAA and MPAA as a potential threat. The Napster service was shut down by an RIAA lawsuit. In this case, Napster had been deliberately marketed as a way to distribute audio files without permission from the copyright owners." According to this, the only reason Napster was 'rightfully' shutdown is becuase it advertised itself as an illegal service. Many networks such as Limewire, Ares, etc. are still alive, and they all use notices saying that they are not responsible for illegal activity occuring on their networks. So, all in all, I take it that downloading is NOT illegal, as long as you own the thing you download. You should have already known that. Uploading shouldn't be illegal, as it could be seen as a practical thing...Someone had to upload in order for you to download, so if downloading is legal, uploading being illegal would in turn make downloading impossible.

Razor

hi Razor

why i wanna download something i already own??
i'm talking about downloading movies or files you don't have for sure.I'm not gonna download movie or file i have already.
So in that case it's illegal??? and someone can be arrested by downloading files without uploading??

thanks

LOL I thought you already knew that. It is DEFIANETLY illegal to download OR upload something you don't own, and you made a mistake openly admitting that you do. Anyways, the only reason people have been getting around the copyright laws is by saying they would only download things they owned. If you stick to that story, you might be able to get away with some stuff, but I do not suggest, agree to, or even like that idea. ;) Savin my ass.....

Razor

The problem is, how can anyone know what you've owned previously if your original ever gets lost? That's what bothers me. Who explicitly decides what I own? Under normal circumstances, I would say me, but who would believe me unless they've associated that object with me somehow? Suppose I've copied a cd for backup archiving purposes, and I lose the original (which I unfortunately have done without a backup). Where does that leave me, with an "illegal" backup? That's doesn't seem right. And, I know of not one individual who keeps all their receipts for things, not that all of them are that descripive of the product for the purpose of trying to prove a purchase anyways. The only alternative to that seems to be "registration"; a database which knows all of what you bought from a given company. I don't really like that.

It's all relative.

In terms of uploading the content, I can't see how you can explicitly decide that one of them is legal and one is not (up/down-loading). After all, it is under the discretion of the downloader to choose songs that are available to him to download (ones that he owns). For the uploaders, they're just giving the owners a chance to download what they already own. That doesn't seem in any way illegal, to me anyways. However, it is possible that others can download it illegaly, but that would be against the original intentions of the uploader, but the uploader has no way of verifying that they ever had the product to begin with. It's an all or nothing situation.

Just a thought.......

Sneaking into a walk-in theater or a drive in is about the same as downloading a movie. Does the MPAA plan on suing the 'sneeker' for $600,000.00 and threaten 5 years of jail time ?? One viewed the movie without paying....

When one listens to a track or two in an audio store, does the studio get a royalty payment for the music used??

If the studios have sued 7000 people and collected an average of $3200.00 [*]a suit, that would come to $22,400,000.00 total. Seems to me that they are making a lot of money off of P2P anyway... Where is the loss ??

([*] I read a report where the MPAA and the RIAA stated that the average law suit was for $3200.00 and 7000 people have been sued..Some were sued for as much as $600,000.00 [still in litigation) down to a low of $500.00...)

hello everyone

talking about downloading, uploading and laws.
who have the right to stop you or arrest you in case you download??who??the compagnies..the police..or the internet compagnie.

and how they know that you download illegal stuff if you do??from your ip adress??is it legal to check your ip and what you are doing on the internet or it's privacy ?? and the police have the right to come into your house and check what you are doing on your computer??

Who know the laws exactly??cuz some people say downloading is "legal" and some say "not"

thanks

They can't really write the law, because who is to decide what is right? Who is to decide when there will be no loopholes? There is always a secret way to get past the law...Japan is forbidden to have a military. They have the 3rd largest(i believe) armed forces in the world. They get around it by naming it something else. Anytime they set up the law, it will be everchanging. It's illegal to download or upload at first. So we trade through emails...Then we dont really connect to each other. They say thats illegal, we form underground networks. They make that illegal...Hell freezes over....Nobody will ever end it. just make it look harder than it is with false advertising. Like the I for Inappropriate Downloading on movies...Just another scare tactic. Nobody for sure knows what is illegal and what isnt because when the laws were written, they could not forsee the current situation. There is this big gray area in the law because it depends on how you take the words. People can say one thing, mean another...You know?

Razor

Razor

hi razor..nice to hear from you again

do you know any details of how they catch people who download?? and how they know who download?

thanks

Well, the way I understand it is...In order to download, you have to make connections. Most of the time when you connect to anything on the internet, they can see your IP. They use the IP to track it to your ISP, inform your ISP of your fault, and then the ISP has to turn over your info in order to avoid a lawsuit. Next thing you know...They're at the address where the bills go. That's how I hear it happens...Never been caught lol

Also, nice to hear from someone who knows me through my posts...I've helped so many people, it's good to see someone thankful and stuff. You guys are pretty rare and it makes the AD addicts and others who actually help proud and stuff. Thanks.

Razor

hi Razor and everyone

checking the IP is a good idea man..but how the compagny of the internet wanna check millions of ip in same time?? and why the compagny wanna check it??what's the reason??? besides..when you download something via the server of the compagny..the files will be deleted directly after or maximum 1 day to keep the server empty.

I think the IP of the person and what he's doing on the internet it's privacy in america and they don't have the right to see what u are doing if you're not wanted (except for now). I don't know other countries. what you think???

besides if downloading and uploading is illegal..why they don't shut down some sites or servers?? i know they did, but there still alot.why the person on his computer is always the victim??it's not true??

(If santa clause came to you and have bad stuffs...stop santa clause don't stop the kids)

everything's illegal to them!!!! i mean what's wrong with "sharing"!!! some people upload movies from their dvds and share it in the net, what the heck is wrong with that!! they might as well forbid lending dvds to your friends!! and that doesnt only goes to movies but everything you share!!!!

@angeli15

well lending dvds to your friends is illigal as well lol , its all to do with.........................oh yeah forgot money

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