If every music lover new how to use the program "Tunebite", the renting music services such as Napster and Yahoo Unlimited would be the only music services available. The rest of them, including iTunes would go out of business. Making tapes or CDs - no problem.

DVDBack23
but but they make me a cranky drunk..at elast now I hear all kinda of thigns but wouldnt hurt a fly..might cry at its death..wait would that make me a emo drunk? LOL
dont you love natrualy drunk pll 0-o

"The commerical was some guy holding a sign saying 1,000,000 iTunes songs = $1,000,000... Unlimited songs @ Napster only $14.99 per month."
I remember that but that was the Only commerial I have every seen of Napster. I wonder if the money would have been better spent spreading out the commercial on a other channels. For example why not market to the idiots that watch MTV they lap anything up. Also Napster is there image. They sold out in the mind of a lot of people.

"The commerical was some guy holding a sign saying 1,000,000 iTunes songs = $1,000,000... Unlimited songs @ Napster only $14.99 per month."

I prefer: Unlimited songs for $0

At least iTunes makes it easy to add my free music to our digital library, and my wife's iPod.

Until the industry stops being a fanbase-suing, artist-abusing machine, my dollars will not support it.

I think it's laughable, what a dismal failure their counterfeit Napster is.

Clearmoon
"counterfeit Napster"
Are you talk about the new Napster thats totaly BS or Itunes thats alil less BS? LOL

Zippy has a point about the tape thing...they won't ever be able to plug the "analog hole".

Personally I think both are equally BS

riplord
pll used to record off the radio and do mix tapes now they do it to CDs and the media industy is in a fit becuse cds are so easy to make they dont have thier monoploy anymore,sicne they didnt refouce thier efforts on makeing a easy to use pay for download shceems its thier loss for not getting on the ball now they are but they stilla re trying to make a monoply out of it and wind up creating thigns like napster and Itunes..they waste way to much money on trying to keep pll from copying the stuff they bought hell I could join Itunes and put every song on CD Taped it then CD it,their wasteing time and money trying to make soemthign that is normal now adays bad or wrong.
they have the means for a win win sultoin but they would rather make it where thier the only winners....

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I see your logic. But the point I was trying to get at is at the very least you can defeat DRM by using a tape recorder to a speaker or some similar method. Which to me, this is my opinion(I could be wrong) , totally makes DRM worthless.

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ZIppyDSM (Member) 5 March 2006 21:06
riplord
pll used to record off the radio and do mix tapes now they do it to CDs and the media industy is in a fit becuse cds are so easy to make they dont have thier monoploy anymore,sicne they didnt refouce thier efforts on makeing a easy to use pay for download shceems its thier loss for not getting on the ball now they are but they stilla re trying to make a monoply out of it and wind up creating thigns like napster and Itunes..they waste way to much money on trying to keep pll from copying the stuff they bought hell I could join Itunes and put every song on CD Taped it then CD it,their wasteing time and money trying to make soemthign that is normal now adays bad or wrong.
they have the means for a win win sultoin but they would rather make it where thier the only winners....

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Why would make a tape copy? This is all I could take/understand out of your post.

Your post is almost like posting in all caps.

I think the problem for Napster is the monthly fee. Most people don't like commitment. THey look at it and it's like "15/month, that's 180/year, that's too much!"... instead if you tell em it's $1/song, it's like you don't know how much you are going to spend each month or each year. I mean, you could buy a whole record in iTunes for 14.99 and that's it, it's one month of unlimited download in napster, but most people don't look at it that way.

rosedog
to beat any digital rights managment on media from day 1 go DMR meida to analog tape to Unvirsal Digital media

is bascily what I ment.....

*rereads post mmmmm my last post only has 3 or 5 error..comapred to the rest its a master peice....anyway soemtiems I wodner if pll have forgotten to read...but then...I still learnign to write ><*

Reading zippy's post takes a lot of time and courage hehehehe

No seriously Zip, how do we read your posts!!

Quote from mm2000y: "If every music lover new how to use the program "Tunebite", the renting music services such as Napster and Yahoo Unlimited would be the only music services available. The rest of them, including iTunes would go out of business. Making tapes or CDs - no problem." This program IS awesome. Costs only $17 or so, and legally high-speed records the songs that are liscensed to your computer, through your sound card. I will do ogg, mp3 with LAME dll, or WMA/WMA Lossless. Rather convenient.

hot_ice

UUUUmmmmmm....aannnoooo.....

Lets see take day one uncrackable media and hook your VCR up to it tape it then record it on the computer

DRM media > tape/analog > normal easy to convert media

I am think they will have no more success at DRM than game companies have with CD/DVD protection...its a loss for everyone

Hot_ice
damn forgot to add to that last post since I am learning japanese little by little I am adding japanese words to my incoherence :3

The people that make Tunebite also have a proggy that makes recordings of songs from internet radio stations. Set it for what type of music you like, let it run overnight, & in the morning you have a thousand or more songs to sift through with no copy protection, & all (currently) 100% LEGAL!!!

This action by the French will be about as effective as the Maginot Line was in World War II.

Folks will just go around it, as did the Germans.

Phil

Isepiq(nebie)
There is a program is called 3aLabiRadio
works great.
You can add music stations that you would like to hear, and you can sort through the songs and choose when to listen as well.

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One way Napster and other companies expected to bring down Apple was to provide music subscription services. However, it just appears that most consumers are just confused about the idea of "renting music".

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I disagree. It appears to me that it is Napster who was confused from the start. They thought that if they kept the old name (Napster) that no one would notice that by their business model that they are actually the Anti-Napster. A transcript of their first Board meeting must read something like "Those dumb consumers, most of them are kids, anyhow, they think that Napster is cool. They will never even notice that the new Napster stands against everything that the old Napster stood for."

It also appears that the current Napster is confused on the differences in price between renting a product and selling the same product. Don't expect to get flooded with orders when you are trying to steamroll the consumers with such a blatantly one-sided business model. This business concept is disadvantageous to the consumer. Napster should not be so shocked that the consumer isn't enthusiastically embracing the music subscription model. There's just too many other entertainment options available to allow one's self to be led down that rocky road.
People understand that music was not originally created to be owned by a fortunate few who wish to exploit the creation to become filthy rich by "whoring it out" to the mass public. I don't mind paying a reasonable price to purchase a song as there are costs involved in procuring music. I will not, however, pay full face value just for the privilege of listening on a pay per listen basis. Next they will try to charge us by the note for each song we hear.
The public has seen and will continue to see through Yapster's greedy facade.

It kinda sucks, but the fact that music is still being exploited as it is, is due to the amount of advertising used to get the music out there. The very thing that allows people to know about this is the very thing that's making it so high in price.

This whole idea of renting is stupid within itself. Why not just sample the music first, see if you like it, then pay a little more for it, and sell it back when you don't want it anymore? It does sound weird, but I heard that they are starting to do that with CDs, so why not used MP3s?

And trust me, if something as stupid as my solution would appease the conglomerates, then they seriously need some help in the head.

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That's not so wierd Rikoshay - (BTW, nice looking signature). Amazon.com and e-bay do pretty well turning over previously owned merchandise. Unfortunately, this issue seems to fall into the broad category of the rich and connected taking care of their own. I know, that's just the way things work in this world and if I don't like it I can contribute megabucks to the election campaigns of certain strategic lawmakers. (That is, I could were I not so "wealth-challenged".)
I'm sure if you were able to ask any RIAA spokesperson why they think they are entitled to dictate where, when and how we listen to our purchased music, if we agree not to distribute extra copies of purchased songs, they would tell you that some unscrupulous people do distribute the music for profit. Of course these people are in violation and should be open for prosecution if convicted. The thing is, the RIAA, through DRM and failure to acknowledge fair use policies, is allowed their preference of treating all consumers as if they are thieves because a small percentage of us actually are. That's sort of like if the Highway Patrol decided that it was too much work to actually go out and stop vehicles that are violating the speed limit, so instead they just sent out citations through the mail to all registered motorists in their particular state or territory.

First of all if you kids don’t stop saying you’ll never pay for music, you can expect severe copy protection in the future.

With that being said I sue both p2p and legal services such as iMesh and mp3search.ru. I go for the rare stuff like Jeff Lynne and ELO as well as groups like Smile and Metal bands like Dokken. I’ve been able to Download full albums 100 albums for just $50. That is less than $1/Album. I don’t see why you kids keep crying when there are plenty of Russian services that have great music and for far less than iTunes. And if you would have joined iMesh during its Beta testing you’d be subscribing to it for just $7/Mo. And with Tunebite you could all your little hearts desire of music.

I know the RIAA sucks, but at the same time you have to be realistic.

You're right vudoo. Even though the RIAA does suck, people are still going to be annoyed by it. If I can find an album I've been looking for or find interesting, I'll buy it, but, if I'm short on cash, too lazy to go look, or just want to hear it to see if it's good, I'll just head to Frostwire.

But, the main topic here is the article, and it's to discuss why Napster is doing badly. What you pointed out, vudoo, and what a lot of other people pointed out, is that they aren't giving much for the prices they ask for. If they were more fair about it, or at least given more options, then they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Blaming it on the merger with Whoever doesn't change the fact that they aren't trying anymore. That's what happened with WinAmp. You kick out the original creator, get a bunch of losers who couldn't even program in Java, and you get a pile of you-know-what.

@freshguy:
Thanks for the compliment! Phantom69 did a great job. Also I want to thank all the people who supplied the userbars as well, even though I don't know who they are.

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The reason Apple has done so well with their products and their iTunes service is because of advertisement. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but has any one of you ever seen a napster advert on the TV? I'm sure you have seen an iTunes advertisement on the TV, the trick to it all is advertisement. I must say I absolutely hate all apple products, there are so many better alternatives that offer better service and better quality products with better value for money, but the trick to good sales these days is advertisement.

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I honestly don't ever recall seeing a iTunes chimaerical. I do however remember seeing several napster commercials when they first went paid.

It is truly beyond me why the record companies can be so incredibly blind. If they really want people to stop ripping their music off the net, why don't they just set up their own unique MP3 download site. Give previewable songs, individual song purchases with discounts for the purchase of the entire album, free streaming songs on the site etc. This would open an entirely new door to the record labels giving them the option to avoid mass media advertisement through television and print resources and give them the broadest customer base in the world... THE INTERNET USERS! I am seriously considering writing a letter to EMI, Capital, Sony Music and so on to let them know of their grave miscalculation on the profitability of this business plan. The amount of money that could be saved from the exeunt of mass advertising and costs to shippers and distributors (HMV, Sunrise, Sam the Record Man) would be enough, in my opinion to allow the record label to sell their albums online for a very minimal fee, possibly saving up to 50% of the accrued cost of a final CD purchased from a retail branch. Get off your horses (Napster, ITunes etc.) slap them on the ass and tell them you want them to fuck right off. Take any advantageous position you can in life and business, so why bother with the possibility of further lawsuits, shutdowns and controversy... LET THE RECORD COMPANIES DEVELOP THEIR OWN MP3 p2p PROGRAMS!!! just think about that...