adrian089
how long before creative makes a vid/media player,even they see a large niche market for non DRM players.

Mcft's deal isn't any different than Apples / Napsters/ or any of the other online services. Like it or not folks, it seems that some form of encryption for music purchases online is here. Perhaps the new Vivaldi/Univeral site when up and running in Nov will change it, but I'm not counting on a company that sells music to be in a hurry to change the rules. With the mcft deal you have a choice...you can rent music for $15/month or buy tracks at $1 / track...but you do have a choice; it's not one or the other.

As for the player, it's a tough market out there. Sure I have a few Ipods, but I can say that their colour screens are terrible compared to the latest competition - didn't really matter when they were just music players, but with video, the apples just suck - even the new 5.5 generation (they tried to tweak the settings but the hardware is the same).

Will mcft succeed? It depends...I for one, won't ever buy another Ipod...the battery issue has never been solved and I've been forced to buy a new ipod every 1 1/2 or so (the cost of replacement or apple care is just too expensive ...you can buy a new one for just a few extra buxx). And, you are pretty much forced into using ITunes...the latest 7 version being so buggy that people are losing their legit music purchases - so you are forced to go to products like Anapod, Xplay and the like.

Will I buy Zune or another mcft offering? Guess it depends on how they stack up against the other players out there when the time comes.

PS: The holiday season won't be profitable my ass....they aren't discounting Zune, and the online store at say $1 / track is something apple makes $$ on. So if they are in it for the long term (and not looking to recover their development costs in one month lol), it will work...just imagine the marketing opportunity...get a free Zune with every purchase of Vista Ultimate.

Does anyone know how tyhey copy protect the music

wolf123
Some pitaful DRM that will be "FIXED" in acuple months after its release.....

Well i think that withtunebite,only $19.90,problem resolved.
I really like the design of Zune and i want more storage my ipod is almost full.

IT PLAYS UNPROTECTED WMA AND MP3 quit acting like it doesnt

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dose'nt creative make DRMless players?

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what on earth doest that mean? all of creatives players are DRM Wma compatible. THIS IS A GOOD THING, it gives everybody the option of playing music bought LEAGALLY from online stores, or music to rent online stores. such as yahoo, real, [urge].... JUST LIKE THE ZUNE

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who would get this?

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adrian089
how long before creative makes a vid/media player,even they see a large niche market for non DRM players

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they already have several !

http://creative.com

Zen vision M, Zen vision W (wide screen, very slick) and the zen Neon 2 ( i think there may actually be more)

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Does anyone know how tyhey copy protect the music

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as far as anybody knows, it is the same DRM used in yahoo music unlimited and real, which is simply a DrM'd WMA, which is easily fixed by several proggys, including TUNEBITE

punx777

LOL
we got pawned ><

So this play's DRM and non DRM mp3s?

Yeah dude idk about that 15 bucks a month and you can't even use it after u bought it. Thats some gayness for me 2 buy this instead of ipod it wouldn't need 2 be 1. cheaper 2. cheaper music dls.

I hate apple so the zune should turn out to be wonderful

i agree with punx777....
come on guys it's like an ipod, but also has some extras and some of them have their limitations..
It does nothing less than an ipod...

the reason why so many people are against zune, is because it's a MS product... grow up dudes

Not me desovac,i like bcuz is a Microsoft product and i know is completely XB360 compatible only that i have my doubts.
look at this:
Hot Zune Specs
contributed by Zunetastic
in Zune Forums
Rumored Specs & Features

● might have a 400MHz DSP processor
● might have Xbox Live Anywhere integration.
● Microsoft will try to buy your way out of iTunes
● might be like a..."A Microsoft portable gaming system"
● run a program called "Windows Mobile" <<See Windows Mobile below
● has the ability to download movies
● be able to Wireless connect to the Xbox for exporting music.
● have reduced battery life (6 hours max, and a little less than a hour when WiFi is turned on)
● User-Customizable Wallpaper skins
● probably feature a accessory such as a mini keyboard
● be used Vertically, except for widescreen movies.
● allows you to stream music to up to 4 other Zune devices.
● MIGHT (slim chance) have XM or Sirius satellite services built in.
● might have VoIP capabilities<<<See "VoIP" below for definition
● might be available in 2 additional colors at launch
● might feature anti-shock hard drives and software << See below for def.
● release date might be as early as October
● Microsoft to ship 3,000,000 units in 2006
● Future Zune products may compete with Shuffle, Gameboy, PSP and tablet PC’s
● Li-Ion battery
● Preloaded audio and video content
● Toshiba will manufacture first gen Zune hardware
● Zune will be launched in '06, most likely Nov. 14
● WiFi (802.11 b/g) connectivity
● 30 Giga-Byte Hard Drive
● available in 3 different colors, black, brown (chocolate), and white
● magnetic headphones.
● LCD high resolution screen, the screen is 3.75 inches diagonal
● built-in FM radio tuner
● TV output connectivity
● dedicated song download site
● DJ Mode (broadcast what you are listening to)
● wheel is NOT a wheel it is simply 4 button (up, down, left right)
● Zune brand will eventually include multiple entertainment devices

Definitions

VoIP: Also know as Voice over Internet Protocol is the routing of voice conversations over the Internet or through any other IP-based network in such case of WiFi.

Windows Mobile: Windows Mobile is a compact operating system combined with a suite of basic applications for mobile devices based on the Microsoft Win32 API. Devices which run Windows Mobile include Pocket PCs, Smartphones, and Portable Media Centers. It is designed to be somewhat similar to desktop versions of Windows.

Anti-Shock: A common software and integrated into the hard drive to help prevent the crash of your hard drive. By detecting sudden movements (similar to dropping the Zune) the software will automatically kick in and help “cushion” the fall by placing the hard drive into a low battery use state, so if it is to have bad effects they wont be as bad cause its as if it's almost off.
Go to this link there are some videos and scrrenshots in the factory building Zune.
http://www.zunescene.com/

I thought MS was going to bend of for the RIAA like they did for the movie industry for vista,so long story short its just a true Ipod clone.

voyager
that is if the 360 is working :P

the 360 and PS3 have left me cold,altho the 360 at least is loking up right now the new 65n new revisions will be out soonish :3

sure
did you check the Zune teaser
http://www.zunescene.com/ ..(new Zune teaser)
what is the meaning of those birds burning in this new Zune teaser video?


"360 at least is loking up right now the new 65n new revisions will be out soonish"
what is this 65n?

voyager
there goign with the 65N CPU and a slight mobo redesign its the first revision almost a mini overhaul :3

and the 360 needs one badly this has always been number 3 to me bad hardware 1 is BWC and 2 is games ,and to think they could kil 2 birds with ne stone doing full bwc....oh well its to late I already got a Xbox.

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did you check the Zune teaser
http://www.zunescene.com/ ..(new Zune teaser)
what is the meaning of those birds burning in this new Zune teaser video?

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i love this video! its so much cooler then shadows dancing haha

Future Zune products may compete with Shuffle, Gameboy, PSP and tablet PC’s

I don't thinks so......

the oragami is on its way, which i believe is just a umpc, and there is talk of a psp rival/portable xbox i belive.

everyone should slow down and look around for other manufactures that offer music players or pmp's so your choices go up korea has been flooding the market with some of the newest toys on their pmp's like G.P.S. ans fm radio that records the songs to internal hdd's as mp3's along with other non-dmr advantages... my I-station from digital cube rocks and it ran me $200.00 usd for the unit along with extra battery and it plays DivX avi's mp3's games and stores photos comes with a dictionary and acts like a fire wire drive when plugged it to an apple on the usb cable its way kewler then an Ipod at half the cost... and its 30bg hdd holds 35 movies or 7000 songs see its all about how much do you need to do what.. how about someone builds one that that will play all nedia not just one kind like Itunes howabout one that plays linux apple and microsoft files all one one then throw a cam on it and you have the world at your finger tips... because it'll be your namebrand in hand not theirs.....

ouch u deleted all my loverly spam :(

get the hell out of here, this is not a marketplace and nobody wants to hear it. TAKE IT TO EBAY

.....??? Why this marketplace here what's the deal with Zune?

Why is this guy spaming everywhere.

Can a mod please deal with this guys stupidity.

WOW! nice go to the link there was a contest at Engadget:
http://media.engadget.com/2006/10/10/engadgets-relaunch-giveaways-another-zune-and-last-weeks-des/

Hopefuly prices drop over time.

That sure is something,. But am happy with my gadgets right now, I bought them at astrogaming.com.Their stuffs are great for gamers and professional gamers alike.

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