Heil !heil!heil! to the new world mafia heil!heil!

"Vee haf our wayss of controlling zee werld!"

"Zigarette, old man?"

"AHHHHHHHHHHH!"

"Oh, WOW, man, he stuck it in his eye!"

***All kidding and Cheech & Chong references aside, the music / movie NAZI's will rule just as long as we allow them to do so! VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE NOW!

Just remember, all Bush bashing aside, in absolutely ALL cases here in the USA, it has been the LIBERALS and DEMOCRATS who have infringed upon our personal liberties more than any other political or social group (Al & Tipper Gore in the 1980's with the bullshit PMRC nonsense, for example, and a HUGE volume of SHOCKING legislation from Clinton during his illegal and immoral criminal "presidency"). Liberals will be the death of us all if we let them. It's time for the MODERATES to rule a while!

things are really starting to go to far with the whole copyright infringement issue. Finland has far surpassed the norm. Singing nursery rhymes in a preschool is infringement?? what if they decided not to sing anymore in nursery school? what will happen to the development of their children? do the parents of the children have to pay taxes when they sing to them? all that aside, is it necessary to squeeze every cent out of the public? what are they afraid they are going to lose? I am a proud American who DID NOT vote for Bush. I pray that the U.S. does not get to this point.

Ballpyhon
don't think the dems are much better they are in holly woods and the mafias pockets even more 0-o

f corse...the dems are as inrested in banning games as they are balancing the budget 0-o

a long deep sigh!

Sadly money goes where the power is and nothing goes together as well as politics and money ;_;

how can you put up with such a thing, people? Nothing of this kind is possible in Russia. A ban to sing rhymes!!!That sounds completely crazy.I would thought of our politicians to be the first off the hinge. And now it turned out to be a mistake

Ballpyhon:
Ummm I hate to be the one say this,

BUT

The US Of A sure is trying to go down this road as we speak here and now. If you or anyone here has not seen or heard this as of yet, I Urge you and everyone to do their part in the good Fight. Check out the Link http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Okay back to our Regular Programing. I maybe showing my age here, but what happened to the days when you could make your own cassett tapes and share it with your friends and now days when you can make your own CD of music and share it with your friends. This world is really getting to be more and more (Its All About The Money) and Frell The people!!

And this is a topic that can go on and on here, and we can all get Frelling Pissed and all but to really make change, The People Have To come together and speak as one, If I was over there I would seek out and support the group that is if there is one that is trying to fight this insane Tax, this is really getting out of hand, because of they can get away with in Finnish then they will only do it else where.

I think boycott on a great scale would be more effective measure to stop them. They want an extra cash in ? Cut them to the quick right away!in my opinion all other action are either illegal or inefficient.

Sen Orin Hatch who is a Republican is responsible for most of the legislation on this stuff. He writes songs and has recorded so he has a vested interest. So stop blaming the so called liberals.

Jerrysr1
really the only difference in dem/rep lib/fundie is the different way in which they screw you over....
frankly this will not change untill the corporate tit is removed from the politician feeding machine it tends to make them fat and dumb anyway removal of it will help smooth out the idiot bumps in the road to the future.
there was a reason why church and state were separated theres a eaquly compiling reason to do so with corperations/large business's/Large pools of money

Do you want a political party (entity) that has actually developed a sensible IP policy?

Try the Libertarian Party;
http://www.lp.org/

AUDIOMIND
I liked the greens 3-5 years back I have been throughly disgusted with everything since lord god bush and co. been in office,the greens are a front for the dems the libs a front for the reps,there really is no solid 3rd part that wants to fight the corruption in government they just want a piece of the pie by paying wolfs in sheeples clothing.......
until better term limits and the recreation of lobbyisim as we know it...its all the same heads of the same old people/consumer eating hydra ;_;

Though I'd have to respectfully disagree about the LP being an extension of the republicrats (though they are a conservative party w/ a liberal sense of freedom, particularly individually), I do agree that term limits remains one of the BIGGEST FACTORs contributing to the venality in all sectors of GovCo. (Federal, state & local)

Most others I've spoken with have no idea that about the only 'representatives' that are term limited are senators, presidents & governors. Most others are 'districted' to remain incumbent for life. (Especially those dinosaur politicos in the federal house of representatives and in state houses)

Many believe that the 'experienced' politician tends to breed legislation that is devoid of corruption and abounds in positive acumen, but that deception couldn't be further from the truth. Primarily because of the lack of term limits (which in turn would lead to new blood, ideas and direction) and 3rd parties, the other two entrenched parties (and incumbents) implement some of the most pathetic and absurd legislative schemes known to man, for they have almost no fear of losing reelection. The percentage is above the 90s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congression...e_United_States

I’ve also been thoroughly disgusted with the current set of criminals in this administration; however, we must not overlook the fact that democrats (to make it relevant to this discussion) are staunch sponsors of some of the most outrageous legislation relating to IP. (DMCA anyone?)

I would suggest that you reconsider the views of the LP and take a closer look at many of the same issues we all defend.
http://action.eff.org

And if you’re as much a champion of Term Limits as I am, you must get involved.
http://www.ustl.org/Get_Involved/get_involved.html

Bloody greedy jews

tedrehak
only if...only if.....
(meaning only if it where that small a group trying to screw everything over)

@JaiQwan
that article about blocking/restricting certain internet sites is rediculous!
As far as the U.S. goes it is not the people who control the elections, it is the corporations (via "donations/pay offs). Electoral colleges were designed for the purpose that in the "old days" not everyone could make it to the voting booth. Now you can vote via the mail, internet and other ways. remove the "Electoral collages" and see what direction the U.S. goes. popular vote VS. Electoral vote. to make this point as clear as day to you all, it is not about the politics, its about the Money. they say that laws are passed by the "people", but who represents the "people"? the politicians (who conveniently are funded by corporations, and taxes).

The world has grown out of control. there is no right, no wrong, only popular opinion (in other words, who has the most $$$).

almost forgot to mention, my comments about the electoral colleges VS. popular vote has been greatly ignored. just look at the 2000 elections. Kerry would have won via popular vote. meaning no operation Iraqi freedom, ect.

Al Gore ran in 2000. Kerry ran in 2004. Even if Kerry Won we would be there.

Ballpyhon
YES YES YES!!!!!!!!
^^
sad aint it 0-o

alphabit
yes and no
Bush and CO. had to go to Iraq because they wanted to and they always wanted to.

If we had Kerry WE would not have Iraq but its a good 50/50 we would be knee deep in the congo/darfour trying to sort that mess out as well as have the welcoming of the poor poor people from mexico so they can be the new slave class,sure the dems would have raised taxs and balanced that out by uping min wage and do soemthign abotu health care,I lean dem but fck as the part is right now tis a headless chicken wondering around looking for tis head the fundies and corporate Nazis run the reps there is no "balance" in goverment just various shades of gray...

I doubt it is possible for them to win, because MP3 Players and phones alike are like CD players, and we dont tax them. So I think their argument is Nil.

@ alphabit- I had a lot going on when i wrote that. thanks for correcting me.

@denbost- I have said before some where on the forums about boycotting all Media, have one person buy the media (one copy of each) and upload the rest to the world. how long would M$, Apple, Hollywood, corporate millionaires and the like survive on $1000.00? About as long as I can.

Ballpyhon:
I can’t agree with you more, and seeing as how the people have so many avenues to make their votes count, my and so many others question is why do people not exercise these options? I few months back prier to the NJ state senate elections, the local paper published statistics showing how many people just simple do not vote! Why is beyond me and yet these are people who complain the most and at how unhappy they are. It is like the sheep being led to the slaughter and yet they do nothing about it but complain and cry the blues.

And as to my earlier post, when I stated (the US Of A) I should have said the (the Big Corporations that are feeding the Hungary politicians with all the cold hard CASH they can) are trying to control the Internet, And those Corporations are the Big Phone companies that never wanted anything to do with the Internet way back when. But now they see what they have all missed out on and now want to control it, only to make more $$$$ by charging people like you and me to simply use the internet.

Don't we pay enough already with sky rocketing price’s as it is, If it is not one of the Phone companies, then it is the cable companies, or as to the topic of this thread, the Music companies.
Where does it ever end? Or does it?

certainly its about money; money to help the politicians keep their jobs, and they will take it from anybody (even you). They also know that you will have forgotten what they did to you in a couple of weeks. Let them know that they have lost your vote and remember when the time comes. Ballpyhon suggests getting rid of the electorial college; it was put in place to discourage tyranny by the majority. Think if there was a "world order" the the powers want and if a majority ruled "you would have to live your life as a good chinese peasant. If you think that is far fetched, look at the cities and states that have passed laws by the majority governing what you can do in your own property i.e. no smoking, no cooking with lard etc.

alvinm
I am torn abotu smokeign its evil yet its a "right",the whole lard thing should go tho.
I however see no reason to ban Pot when tis better than Booze when you dont smoke it weekly,great for smokers with canser (like my mom was) if she had it she could have ate and doubled her chances at survivail.

Insted locking her away in home to die how is that cheaper and better? ><


Corporations are blind sided by greed and the gverment is supposed to protect the people not sit at the trafe feeding their fat little bellys...

well whats next house and car steros and just think you can thank bill gates for this shit,and as far as levys go I bet the Finnish government get a nice cut for them selfs greedy fuckheads,