i agree with ZIppyDSM. We need a movement back toward gaming just for the fun of it. It wasn't the PS1 but the Xbox that got everyone excited about big freaking multimedia center type gaming. The Xbox crowd is a different sort of gamer. They're more slanted toward PCs, tweaking, patches & uber new stuff. The PS2 crowd is more of the traditional gamer, but there are BFMC type people there. The Nintendo crowd has always been about gaming. The GBA (yes I still have one from like 2001) is so simple to use & the SNES/N64/GameCube are all simple gaming machines. They don't pretend to have the highest end graphics.

Remember how SEGA had that blast processing ad with Sonic? That the Genesis had a faster CPU & was therefore better than Nintendo?? Well we can see who got their arse kicked and no longer makes any HW now do we? >_> ^_^


Anyway, I like games but I also mess around with multimedia, DVD & tweaks/hacks every so often. Sony is trying to fit into the Xbox scene by making an all-in-one system that does everything. They are going to have a VERY rude awakening unless they stick to making games & downloadable content. Let the gamers decide if they want to start running Linux & other stuff on the system. Make it available, but don't focus on it. Keep the PSN online store segmented into a gamers section & a multimedia section. Do not combine the two.

Nintendo is moving in the right direction, and you can darn well bet they will have a DVD add-on available someday. In the meantime, enjoy your games. Leave the homebrew/hacks & other stuff to the experts.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to finish reading this article on how to run Fedora on the PS3 so I can go buy one :)~

bobbyBlu
you make a good point. Graphics matter. so much in fact that everyone was discussing PS3 vs 360. But where you are wrong is that story matters the most. Even the nvidia article say , "sometimes the story plays second fiddle to the graphics". if the story is interesting, then having draw dropping graphics, make the game worth ever penny. I think his point was, so much time is spent on graphics, that the story gets skimped. And, well, then when that happens, the game goes from great to mediocre, or just a POS.

also, I disagree that the wii totally ignores graphics. The graphics really aren't that bad. And everyone keeps missing a point about when graphics become complex, the disc latency goes to hell. like DVD727 said, do really need to see leafs move in a game? Does that make the game really better? if you don't mind waiting 4-6 seconds for a scene to load, then good for you. I guess I'm just impatient

To ppl bashin Blu-ray
what is wrong with you? what could be better than having a disk hold 50 gig. I know I need them.

on a last note, the nvidia article is a bit biased. I mean, nvidea IS in the graphics business. so saying graphics are important is their job.

Hade
I think you are right. currently I play my friends wii while under the influence of alcohol, or just to be goofy. and it is extremely fun. and almost never alone.

xhardcore
enlightenment sucks on the ps3. or so i've heard from my neighbor's friend's girlfriend's brother's next door neighbor :D

but I actually know the guy. its actually kinda stupid. I've used it. I think its much harder to install than the linux kit for the ps2. at least sony had some good directions for that install.

oh, and I might as well comment on the article.
TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BOUGHT A WII, SONY HAS JUST INSULTED YOU.

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When he compared the PS3 to the Wii, he claimed the PS3 is so powerful in comparison, that it shouldn't even be in the same category.

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uh, they are in the same category...the gaming console category. and those of you who believe this statement, come back down to reality.

I hate to keep beating the same horse, but [talking about graphics here] I personally love cel shading, and wish there were more games that were cel shaded (like the new rogue galaxy, tales of the abyss, crimson tears, musashi) also, I have found that of all the cel shaded games, i enjoyed playing all of them and the load time, was small (5 secs or less) . so, in my opinion, we need to get load time (aka disk latency) down to a few seconds , before we improve graphics.

xhardc0re
Just don't forget what sega has become from a great dev to a minor dev that makes a good game once in a blue moon,of corse this si the trend of gaming look at ID,Raven Edios,EA what company has not fallen from grace,yes Nintendo has fallen however they are still clining to a branch above the pit the rest have fell into its just a matter of time before they let go because tis cheaper and more profitable to make good looking poorly made games than decent looking great ones...


kearney
I like the look its cartoonish yet artistic and thos who are snobs call it cute and bash on it and forget that graphics will always be 2nd to gameplay.

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assuming you are referring to the statement you quoted and not your own...

lmao, man i said this before and i guess i'll say it again, do you really think mercedes gives a load about Ford or their sales. i highly doubt it, but but but they are in the same category of automobiles right??? please be atleast realistic with yourself and the rest of us when you make comparisons like that. maybe mercedes gives a hoop about bmw, or lexus but certainly not ford. why, well yeah they are all in the same general market, but they aren't marketing to the same audiences let alone having the same target markets. in terms of power, functionality, and of course grahpics the ps3 would seem like it is a beast compared to the wii. by functionality im referring to being able to play ps1/ps2/cd/dvd/BD. not sure why you said that.

hade
Nintedno is 1.3rd of the pie,and Sony has to give a damn, hell its the only one to give a damn ,they have to be out in the public eye looking stupid and talking smack to get people to buy their 600$ media center with a whole 10 games on it and 30ish BR movie titles,half of witch are poorly code'd.

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Sony has to state that Wii is an impulse buy to try and scare people out of buying the Wii and to start buying their dusty shelved system.

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If you read the article it seem to me he is P.O. because people are looking at sales and saying that the Wii is a better system than the PS3 which it is not.The Wii is a nice console but its not in the class of PS3 or 360.But people want to bring it into the 360 vs PS3 debate which it has on place in.I think the reason its selling so much because of price,i willing to bet if it was 400 or 500 it would not sale like it is right now.Price has a major role into the reason it selling so good not because its fun to play.

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I love reading these forums they're usually very informative but i don't post very often, just thought I'd like to add to this one and this quote is why-

"Wii could be considered an impulse buy more than anything else,"

Have you ever heard anything so arrogant, I'd just like to inform Dave Karraker (of course he reads here lol) that my 15 year old son ASKED for this consol for christmas and it's probably the best present (his opinion) hes ever had. In our household we already have an x box, ps2 and several hand held systems that practically sit idle now, ebay here we come :)

It must irk Dave something terrible that this cheap Wii crappy consol (pun intended) can outsell his mega powerful behemoth of a entertainment system.

Now that we have had the the Wii for over a month I can tell Dave why, its a damn FUN system and doesn't come with the expensive gamble of blueray v's HD and is liked by kids and adults alike, lol have you ever seen four 40 somethings playing tennis in there lounge, I have and it really funny.

So who cares it may only last a couple of years, by that time the format war will be over and we'll just move to the next big (or Wii) thing.

Just to add-
I was planning on getting an Xbox 360 or PS3 later this year but my PC is a better games system anyway so I'll leave it a bit.

i think the wii is shipping out on price more than anything. what are users getting? fun games (if you take a year to learn the controls) and crap graphics worse than xbox 1. with the ps3 or even the 360, you get fun games, and it looks better doing it too. the wiimote is too much of a change for anyone used to different controllers. whats with cod3 for wii? and madden? effed up control schemes if i've ever used one.

anubis66
I really wish nintendo would have made a better emluatin setup to let you config the will mote and numb chuck to GC games they have a perfect opportunity to show what a Console maker dose about past games they still could do it but I don't see it.

hade
if mercedes and ford were the only car manufactures, then I think mercedes would care about ford sales. like wise, if everyone in the world were to start buying ford focuses, mercedes might start caring.

if you're just comparing hardware, then no, the two consoles are not in the same category. but, I specifically stated, they are in the gaming console category.

anubis66

your totally wrong, price wasn't the factor in me buying it was, if you read other peoples posts, choice. It takes 5 minutes to learn how to use the controllers and the gfx fit with the games, it doesn't claim to be lifelike ok, zippy what the hell is emluatin and kearney if you want to talk about cars well, get a nissan skyline you wont be sorry ;)

edited for bad spelling sorry

its your choice to be a bottom feeder, but i have higher standards. i enjoy good graphics, and the ps3 does and while delivering gameplay. plus the line up is fantastic. the wii games are largly family and child/adolescent aimed. sure a few game are enjoyable on the wii, but when i get enjoyment from a ps3 putting out much better detail and polygons then the wii doing last gens work with a new controller than i know my choice. plus there is alot more to the ps3 past its game use. i still dont see why people put the wii and ps3 in the same catagory of consoles, because they are so different.

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madUKan
er, hade was the one who kept on talking about cars. I was just using hade's example.

but you are correct, the controller is extremely simple to use. and it only takes about 5 minutes to learn any game. i think some of the games feel more natural on the wii compared to the ps2 (dragonball z)

Did anubis just call MadUKan a bottom feeder because he purchased a Wii for his son?

Wait, is Anubis Dave Karraker? I FOUND YOU! AHAH!
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We all knew you were lurking around here. You've been discovered at last!

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Despite anubises(Dave's)[joke] lack of people skills and coming over as a 'fan boy' he does make a good point in that you can't really compare the two other than they are games consoles, there is no doubt that the ps3 is superior in the hardware stakes and can only fairly be compared to the xbox360, in fact it can be argued that alot of households will eventually have either a ps3/xbox360 and also a wii because they are so different in technology and gameplay and if this is the case nintendo will indeed sell more consoles than Sony or Microsoft.

Kearney, yeh sorry with the car thing, was just joking really ;)

im not this dave guy.

and yes, people will probably get a wii later on as complimentary if they like it, but s a sole console there will be few buyers in a year or two.

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if mercedes and ford were the only car manufactures, then I think mercedes would care about ford sales. like wise, if everyone in the world were to start buying ford focuses, mercedes might start caring.

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in theory it may seem as if you'd be right. the only problem is they are not targeting the SAME MARKET. mercedes yeah would care if they were the only one making cars along side ford, if and only if ford started to steal THEIR potential consumers. face it, Tiny Tim isn't in sony's target market...

so as i was pointing out, each Wii sold is not a dent in Sony's installed userbase or expected userbase. why, well because every Wii sold doesn't mean one less potential ps3 sale. if this was about the 360, sure it'd be more damaging for sony to see 360 sales surge while their own sales drop because they are both generally fighting for the same target markets. the wii can sell 50 million units in the next two years, but really what does that mean for the 360 and ps3? is it really all doom and gloom for them? this whole thing right now seems to be more of a media story than a problem for sony...

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The real problem for Sony is that their massive ps2 userbase hasn't shown up for the ps3. The Wii is outselling the ps3 in japan at the same rate the ps3 is outselling the 360.
And that's Japan. Everywhere else, it's the 360 and the Wii.

Unlike Sony, Mercedes doesn't need to sell the same amount (or anywhere close to that amount) of cars as Ford does in order to strive.

Sony needs the ps3 in as many hands as possible, because game developers develop for the systems that are in as many hands as possible.

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it hasn't launched in europe yet, what else would you expect?

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and yes, people will probably get a wii later on as complimentary if they like it, but s a sole console there will be few buyers in a year or two.

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you don't get it do you the WII is is mainly for family's and as a 2ndary console for gamers right now everyone is getting and people who are just curios on how the WILL mote works.

the WII is doing good now and it sales will slow but any 3 year old console will have slow sales.

the only console I see doing well in the long run in number of units sold is the PS3 only because its going to have a nice large price drop in a 3 year time.

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Well I certainly don't expect Europe of all places to pull the ps3 out of it's funk.

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it hasn't launched in europe yet, what else would you expect?

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Well I certainly don't expect Europe of all places to pull the ps3 out of it's funk.[/quote]they need a 150-200$ price drop NOA

that is if they want to start selling systems.

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This question isn't accusing any company of anything, but I am curious:
How long can a large firm sell a product/service at a loss before some kind of Antitrust law is violated? (If there would even be a violation, that is)

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This question isn't accusing any company of anything, but I am curious:
How long can a large firm sell a product/service at a loss before some kind of Antitrust law is violated? (If there would even be a violation, that is)

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The reason why I don't think this would fall into that is msot of parts are outside the US the system is built outside the US in fact tis only imported into the US,if it where made and built here then Anti trust could get kick in.

But look at this way they are buying parts at cost putting them together and have no choice but to lower the price in order to sell them.
Sony is not managing itself very well *tolls eyes*

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