That's weird...doesn't anyone know that the free speech amendment goes to ALL countrys and states?

Originally posted by eiffel65:

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That's weird...doesn't anyone know that the free speech amendment goes to ALL countrys and states?

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No, I didn't know America's Constitution was really a World constitution. :p

Just kidding, but it seems weird to sentence people to prison for insulting the country's founder.

But if this became fixed followed by other such acts it could get Turkey put on the "Internet's enemies" list. But I don't think that will happen as only bad dictatorships seem to land themselves on it.

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Originally posted by eiffel65:

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That's weird...doesn't anyone know that the free speech amendment goes to ALL countrys and states?

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No, I didn't know America's Constitution was really a World constitution. :p

Just kidding, but it seems weird to sentence people to prison for insulting the country's founder.

But if this became fixed followed by other such acts it could get Turkey put on the "Internet's enemies" list. But I don't think that will happen as only bad dictatorships seem to land themselves on it.

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let me put it this way pop_smith
since ur pop smith wat of people were teasing u and or disrepecting grandpa smith to ur face simply becouse they did like him and they now hate ur entire family wat would u do ?

turkey is just tring to be a median and stop all the insults the only way they probably know how

of course if ur american it just seems fullish im sure lol

SmeeZus

lol i hope i made sense lol

Next they will be banning half the internet because it makes their populace think!!

oh my!!

ROFLMAO! Thats all I have to say about Turkey.

I wonder if this ban will come up in the next EU meeting. lol

anyway screw Ataturk.

Originally posted by eLeCTR0n:

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I wonder if this ban will come up in the next EU meeting. lol

anyway screw Ataturk.

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"screw Ataturk"? Turkey will ban afterdawn as well after your post..

Seriously, Turkey is not the most liberal country in the world-to answer to eiffel65's comment-,so i'm not that surprised.

This is not about Ataturk, it's about controlling the only means of free speech left in Turkey.

Who is talking about free speech? Europiens have law about not to talk about the lies of carnage. One of the Turkish leader has been judging for four days at the court of Switzerland.US is going to accept the same law. And I thik that you don't know anything about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

isis11,first of all i didn't have the intention to offend anybody.
i apologise if i did.

anyway,i happen to know a few things about Kemal and i have a high regard of him.i live in the city where he was born actually;)

to tell you the truth,i didn't get your comment,but let's not start a debate. this is not the place and i don't think there is a reason.
if you're happy with what happens in your own country -i assume-, then you know where to place your vote.. if you're not, protest.
let us have a different opinion though.

about the videos, i have just downloaded a couple to see what the buzz is all about,but it turns out that i'll have to ask my bilingual friend for translation first.

isis11 is actually right about that part. most euro countries have laws against free speech when it comes to suffering of jews in wwII. And it looks like the U.S. is going in the same direction. if you speak against israel then you're anti-semitic and probably a terrorist too. If you speak against the war in Iraq then you're anti-American and so on.

so basically each country has its own flavor of pressing free speech.

Yes you may be branded with a title in US. However you can say anything you like about our government and/or other countries without fear of arrest, or having your internet site banned.

True, free speech is under attack worldwide, governments fear the free exchange of ideas. That should not stop all people from striving for it and practicing it.

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However you can say anything you like about our government and/or other countries without fear of arrest, or having your internet site banned.

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Thanks to the Patriot Act, that's not true anymore.

Excuse me but yes it still is. The Patriot Act has not changed as much as some people would like you to believe.

Free speech is certainly still allowed, and I know of no American citizen who has been penalized for speaking his mind, either on the internet or personally.

Just check the USA Today site and read the blogs bashing the hell out of this administration (by the way USA Today is definately NOT in danger of being banned). Also the countless forums and newsletters which are highly critical of even the Patriot Act itself.

NBot to mention all the myriad college lecture circuits that NEVER have anything good to say about any administration.

Free speech in the USA is alive and well, all you have to do is use it and speek out.

You can talk about the theoretical freedom of speech all you want. But if the government can arrest or detain any american citizen without a court order, then the freedom of speech you're talking about is sheer rhetoric. Don't you think?

Originally posted by SLaTheR:

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Excuse me but yes it still is. The Patriot Act has not changed as much as some people would like you to believe.

Free speech is certainly still allowed, and I know of no American citizen who has been penalized for speaking his mind, either on the internet or personally.

Just check the USA Today site and read the blogs bashing the hell out of this administration (by the way USA Today is definately NOT in danger of being banned). Also the countless forums and newsletters which are highly critical of even the Patriot Act itself.

NBot to mention all the myriad college lecture circuits that NEVER have anything good to say about any administration.

Free speech in the USA is alive and well, all you have to do is use it and speek out.

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I dont know
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus was shot down due to its impeding the detaining of prisoners of questionable origin(terrorists) instead of creating a new aw to deal with terrorists they are destroying the rights the citizens have ,the FBI has been clocked back to the 20s having almost no limit to what they can do,regulation of both goverment and business have been on the decline in the past 10 or so years as well...all this adds up to free speech either being copy righted by the right or baned by the goverment its not that bad yet but we are getting thier....

Originally posted by SLaTheR:

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Excuse me but yes it still is. The Patriot Act has not changed as much as some people would like you to believe.

Free speech is certainly still allowed, and I know of no American citizen who has been penalized for speaking his mind, either on the internet or personally.

Just check the USA Today site and read the blogs bashing the hell out of this administration (by the way USA Today is definitely NOT in danger of being banned). Also the countless forums and newsletters which are highly critical of even the Patriot Act itself.

NBot to mention all the myriad college lecture circuits that NEVER have anything good to say about any administration.

Free speech in the USA is alive and well, all you have to do is use it and speek out.

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Totally agree with eLeCTR0n on his reply.

Also if i was to go out and say i think what happened at 11:sep was well deserved and made a big deal out of it i don't think i would be so free to do so! I think i would be called a terrorist .....

US is the worst country in the world when it comes to rights. People sue each other left and right Probably for looking funny at each other soon.
Read recently about a teacher who was sentenced to 3 year jail for a porn pop up on the pc due to virus or something or what about
the "hot" coffee at Macdonald :) Most stupid thing i ever hear. the dude sued Macdonald for his coffee was to hot :D
Not that it has to do anything with freedom of speech but when it comes to rights i think soon you need a lawyer to walk you outside :)

On the other side i do agree that Turkey is not a 100% democratic country!

rico666
oh come on there are far far worse examples of bad countries than the US,china for one or any other with someone as simple as the police having near complete rule over the populace,in the US you have levels of control and appeal to that control,its messy and sides with the rich but then again what country dose not side with the rich most of the time?

Sure theres no comment since in the court half the time but when you are maimed by corporate stupidity at least you can sue.


the US is not perfect but more stable than most sadly it is sliding into a 2rd world nation where there is no middle just the haves and have nots.

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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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rico666
oh come on there are far far worse examples of bad countries than the US,china for one or any other with someone as simple as the police having near complete rule over the populace,in the US you have levels of control and appeal to that control,its messy and sides with the rich but then again what country dose not side with the rich most of the time?

Sure theres no comment since in the court half the time but when you are maimed by corporate stupidity at least you can sue.


the US is not perfect but more stable than most sadly it is sliding into a 2rd world nation where there is no middle just the haves and have nots.

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True true.
As always money talks :D

I can't answer all the points you make here about free speech, but I can try to.

Habeus Corpus has been shot down for what is being termed "enemy combatants" These are people captured supposedly while fighting with U.S. troops. Habeus Corpus is not being shot down for American citizens (who by the way are the only ones actually living under our constitution.

The teachers conviction is under appeal, though she supposedly left the porn site visible for almost the whole day on her computer, in sight of the students. All she had to do was unplug the thing. There is ALOT more to the story that you are portraying.

Tyhe Mcdonald's coffee thing was about faulty cups, not hot coffee, another seemingly forgotten point. Since then McD just lowered the temp of it's coffee. The guy got burned when the cup melted through.

The FBI is not rolled back to the 20's, not just yet, and they are now under VERY heavy fire for misusing the patriot act. Congress has opened full investigation into this. They do not have a free ticket to do whatever they want, there are controls in place even if it takes a while to get to the checks.

As for saying that 9?11 was a good thing, I would worry more about my peers reaction than the government. As a matter of fact people like Cindy Sheehan have said much worse and also made a big deal of it. Last seen this weekend under the washington monument giving an anti-war speech. Hmmm, she is taking her right to free speech to the extreme and is not being arrested, banned, or disappeared.