Originally posted by lxfactor:

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you can fit 10 regular DVD video Disc on a 50GB BD. why carry around 10 different movies... when disney will put all your favorites in one.

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Yeah, for around $400! Wow! Animation in HD? Tell me its not possible!

This is so gay. It's like saying zune will replace ipods in 3 years. STFU sony, i'm stick of your garbage, PS3 will cure cancer. you are sick bastard sony. at least microsoft donates.

Bobby blu
Cant argue there its going tot take 3 years for new formats to get anywhere.



rihgt682
using gay as a diss is gay you know....anyway its not the PS3 curing canser but the internet :P

Regular DVD will not face the same faith as VHS did, because regardless of the future outcome of this HD war, regular DVD will never go away as long it keeps the consumers preference, and outsales any HD-DVD or Blu-ray release...

Thanks to upscaling, any viewer can achieve a 720p/1080i on their HD-TV sets, and you can get such DVD players with upscaling for less than US$150, which is an reasonable and accesible price to all consumers to get a near-HD quality from any regular DVD movie, and if regular DVD movies and players keep being cheaper than Blu-ray and HD-DVD, consumers will keep buying them...

By the way any digital HD broadcast signal will offer viewers a 720p/1080i picture, so if you are pleased with HD-TV signal, you'll content with upscaled regular DVD, and you don't have to repurchase your entire collection... thanks upscaling!

right now i hope Blu-ray wins boes HD DVD have burners out yet?

DVD's will go away, it just won't be in 3 years it will be a long time before you can't use them any more. Everything goes away eventually that's just the way life goes. And why go to DVD’s now when VHS is so great and lasts forever…. Ya right.

Up converting a crap signal makes it look even worst so I don't understand where you’re going with that statement. The only nice thing is you can use you HD mode for everything and don't need two sets. Viewing SDTV on HD isn't every good typically.

You have to love marketeers they always lie through their teeth when presenting their products. If people we're smart they would call them on it during their sales pitch. No way are DVD's going away in three years and obviously BD has not won the battle yet, hopefully they will. It's also good that HD is going strong, especially in Europe, since it is good for everyone that there is competition. Prices are already dropping in both camps and they are pushing hard to make improvements.

Why is it that so many people think BD is Sony and ONLY Sony. Is this the PS3 cult where Sony is the only thing in the universe? I dislike Sony with a passion but that doesn’t mean I totally rule them out. Their LCD TV’s rule over everyone else but they also cost 2x compared to the others, in this case it is worth it.

Why you would brag about cartoons in HD is beyond me that is the lowest resolution production, what do they typically use a 32 color palette? WOW that's impressive and typically no shading.

I like how the Board of Directors for BluRay has pretty much everybody, including Disney and Warner Bros. Sony is just one of the more upfront companies for BluRay, there are so many others, like Apple and HP. I wonder who's backing HD-DVD anyways...

I noticed Nero and Adobe and a few other names in the Contributors/Members list as well.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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DVD's will go away, it just won't be in 3 years it will be a long time before you can't use them any more. Everything goes away eventually that's just the way life goes. And why go to DVD’s now when VHS is so great and lasts forever…. Ya right.

Up converting a crap signal makes it look even worst so I don't understand where you’re going with that statement. The only nice thing is you can use you HD mode for everything and don't need two sets. Viewing SDTV on HD isn't every good typically.

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The same thing was said 10 years ago about CDs, and we still use them! The music industry keeps releasing their stuff in CD, people will continue to use CD to store data, and burn their music... exactly the same case with DVDs, specially if new movie releases on regular DVD became cheaper to buy, because consumers will rather pay the least possible for entertaiment.

Laser-Discs offered a better quality than VHS, but Laser-Discs was no match, people prefered VHS because it was CHEAPER! CDs and regular DVDs will still be prefered by consumers, and that's why we will still have them, regardless of new disc media that comes out in the future.

Finally, anybody that has seen a regular DVD movie using upscaling on a LCD HD-TV, notices a dramatic improvement in picture quality, its not HD but its near HD, much better that watching the same regular DVD movie without upscaling on a conventional TV, and its not crappy at all, if only you should choose a upscaling DVD player that does the work properly.

Its strange how those companies try to push inferior technology in your face inferior being Blu-ray. Its been many decades since disc technology was created, I think they would of created something better than Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Movies on thin 12mm plastic disc, with alluminum, wtf. thats old. but it looks with each new technological leap just leads to something more fragile. I believe the main focus when creating new technology should be good quality, which is not seen these days. many years ago you would buy, a new tv every few like almost 10 years, now its down to like 3 years. I wonder through how many tvs, vcrs, dvds, computers you have gone through these couple of years. they talk about global warming here is the cause.

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I like how the Board of Directors for BluRay has pretty much everybody, including Disney and Warner Bros. Sony is just one of the more upfront companies for BluRay, there are so many others, like Apple and HP. I wonder who's backing HD-DVD anyways...

I noticed Nero and Adobe and a few other names in the Contributors/Members list as well.

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Sorry I kind of had to laugh since HP released a new media center PC with an HD-DVD drive just a little while back. And to tell you the truth I don't really know who Apple is supporting.

Adamontar
Besides the clinging to mpeg2,witch they are finally getting away from whats inferior about BR?

Originally posted by Adamontar:

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Its strange how those companies try to push inferior technology in your face inferior being Blu-ray. Its been many decades since disc technology was created, I think they would of created something better than Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Movies on thin 12mm plastic disc, with alluminum, wtf. thats old. but it looks with each new technological leap just leads to something more fragile. I believe the main focus when creating new technology should be good quality, which is not seen these days. .

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i was sorta thinking along the same line. why does it hav to be a disc. im sure they could come up with somthing more durabile. and apart from the Whole backward combatiblity thing there isnt much stopping them.

Why does this all sound so boringly familiar..

and for the record, my vcr was made in 1984 and my TV is an antique which has lasted since 1973 (ferguson 3500)...

What's this addiction with new new new anyway? got money to burn.. throw some my way!

I notice that though people have been able to buy music as mp3 downloads for 3 years and more cd disks are still outselling and other form of music distribution format despite being a quarter of a century old. Added to that the fact that music is still available on cassette (1964 and a really crap format) It's pointless and stupid for anybody to say that any new thing will end a very successful format, and to have the nerve to predict a timescale is either very misguided or relying on the drooling fanboys to keep spouting on and on about how something has "won".. Strewth, you can still buy the hardware to play lp's !

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There is no way any blue ray or hd will replace our dvd's in 3 years, maybe not even in ten, everybody I talk to has no interest in either one, if these people think we will start redoing our colloections because of a minor upgrade thier nuts.

Interesting dialog. Some seem to think that one format will remain always. I would like to draw your attention to the Beta vs VHS war that occured approximately 20 years ago. I had a library of approximately 500 Beta tapes, because the format was better in fidelity and video quality. However VHS won out over Beta because you could place more content on a VHS tape than a Beta tape. And hardware became unavailable even from Sony who developed the format. Here is one case were quality video and Audio gave way to the convenience of larger content. Blue_Ray has a higher content capability than HD_Dvd.
I seriously believe based on that factor alone Blue_Ray may very well win out over HD_Dvd. As yet I am not going to jump on the band wagon until the quality vs content is finally determined.I have noted that Lite-on has fielded a Blue _Ray capable DVD Rom Drive for approximately $550.00. That price will decrease probably within the next year. I have not seen an HD_Dvd drive marketed as yet. If it does and the price is right you will see both get in a tug of war for market share. Presently Blue_Ray dominates the availablity of media titles. So it is possible they may win out in the long run.

I remember the beta vhs war very well, I also remember the difference in quality both audio and video was very nill to the the naked eye and ear, what a stupid war that was, now thier trying to pull the same shit with this br and hd, sorry most people are not buying into it, and a rom drive for $550, you gotta be shittin me, we buy drives now for 80 bucks and under, and I dont think these people will be selling these drives for that kind of price anytime soon.

I have seen movies in br and hd already, compared to watching a dvd on these high def ready sets under 40in screens there isnt much difference, its when you go to 40 and over is when you see a differnece in br or hd, and even than its not that much of a differnece. For triple the price and starting new collictions, no way, and for most people that still remember the beta vhs war they especially will not buy into this crap.

FredBun/Jan
there are steps the industry takes ,
one find a new thing
2 sale it
3 the market will declear it win/lose,

4if win price drops

6 if win lvl 2 it will take 10 years for the product to "mature" and sasturate said market.

7.slowly repalce the thing thats being replaced near the last half of the 10years


SO currently we are in a transition from 3 to 4 ,in 2-4 years prices will drop dramatically sasturateing the market and thus will begin the replacement pried.

DVD has another 10-20 years left easily hell VHS has not been fully replaced so DVD is almost garreuted other 2 decades.

Ditto, I would say your pretty much on the money.

janrocks and Fredbun... you got exactly my point!

Not every new format has sure success... remember Laser-Disc?... it depends entirely of consumer acceptance, but why should people spend more money, even if in 2-3 years prices do lower, to repurchase their entire movie collections, TVs and players, just for the benefit of a higher resolution that only can be distingished throw very large displays, when most of us are more than content with a less than 40 inch TV screen.

Regular DVD offered more advantages ten years ago... VHS handled an analog signal, recorded magnetically on its tape, which damaged easily and in a few years it deteriodes... DVD offered a more consumer friendly option, with an digital signal laser burned on disc, and well perserved and hadled could last a life time.

So far neither Blu-ray or HD-DVD has given a valid reason to accept them... sure they handle a higher resolution and have more storage capability, but they don't offer you more content for your money, and they are still discs, even more fragille than regular DVD and CD.

Instead of trying to convince us on spending money on movies and players we already own, to replace them with a new format that most of us really dont need, they should pursue in providing even better TV and players for regular DVD... but their goal is for you to spend money again for the same stuff, and again in ten years when another new format comes out.

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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Bobby blu
Cant argue there its going tot take 3 years for new formats to get anywhere.



rihgt682
using gay as a diss is gay you know....anyway its not the PS3 curing canser but the internet :P

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ow so i guess you're gay?

Originally posted by duckNrun:

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blah blah blah blah blah blah...

I dont need any of it. Happy with what I got and I am not buying into this fake 'consume or die' culture.

Three releases of the same bloody movie over x years (on dvd alone) each time being told I NEED this new updated version with all the new features and extras.. Yeah it MAY look better under certain circumstances but I'll be darned if I am going to rebuy 900 movies just because the people selling them tell me I need to if I want to continue to enjoy them.

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duckNrun has a point... how many times are you willing to repurchase the same movie?... HD-DVD and Blu-ray together only reach 1% of sales in US alone, and most countries around the world don't even offer HD-DVD and Blu-ray movies and players, the fact is that more than 99% of consumers worldwide don't care about HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

Not considering that both HD-DVD and Blu-ray movies and players are darn expensive, the reality is that the vast mayority of consumers are happy with regular DVD, which would rather spend in Widescreen LCD TVs and regular DVD players that could improve the quality of viewing their movies, not in re-purchasing movies in a new format, and in new equipment to view them.

I know that they are Blu-ray and HD-DVD supporters, but honestly they are more important things to spend your money... paying rent, car, food, clothes, medicines, saving for your children's tuition or a new house... after all, they are just darn movies!

inline
MMm no I like girls to much,I am jsut strange and odd,that by itself drives them off :P

Amen ematrix, I don't want to have ta shell out more money toward a different format, AGAIN!. I've already replaced one movie collection from VHS to DVD discs, players, and all. If they must, I hope they at least make it a slow smooth transition, otherwise they can stick BD and HD where the sun don't shine! There's plenty of other things I can do with my money besides pay them for a pretty picture. Hell!, If I want BD or HD, I'll just eat a big bag of shrooms 30 minutes before viewing DVD. ;)

ematrix
thats why that wotn to mak it illegal to update your bought videos you have to buy new or go to jail,god forbid you put vynil to tape to!

this licensing tactics are a scam,its the same BS they use for Computer games OMG you may not put you 5 CD game on a DVD for better installing OMG the world is ending we should making money on playing the game too!!

I am a computer animator and wanted to add my 2 cents about the animation industry and HD. For the past 15 years, all animated movies were produced beyond standard television res of 640 x 480. Animation studios always create their films at a higher resolution, even higher than HD. So my point here is that you will be sold the exact same animation movie that you bought on DVD for HD. When I create my animations I create higher than 1920 x 1080 and then burn to DVD and it is higher than HD quality, not noticeably different since tv can't output higher than HD.

Even for movies that weren't filmed in HD can be converted to HD by rescanning the original cells to a higher resolution. The effects companies while working on DVD movies are creating their effects in HD for future formats. Since they don;t want to recreate effects for an HD version.

Originally posted by c1c:

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When I create my animations I create higher than 1920 x 1080 and then burn to DVD and it is higher than HD quality

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When you have a source that's HD or higher resolution and you burn to DVD you decrease the resolution to 640 x 480. In other words you lose the HD quality when you burn to DVD because you lose resolution and detail. You can never have HD or higher quality on a DVD because the maximum spec is 480 lines of resolution.