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Warner set to drop HD DVD?

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 09 Dec 2007 18:46 User comments (150)

Warner set to drop HD DVD? According to an article published in Business Week, the magazine believes Warner Bros will be dropping support for HD DVD and going with Blu-ray, possibly as soon as CES 2008 next month.
The article brought together rumors from the internet as well as internal sources and suggested that both Toshiba and Sony are trying hard to woo Warner from its current dual format stance.

"The rumour is that Warner is coming aboard soon,"
Michael Burns, vice-chairman of studio Lionsgate (LGF) told the magazine. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."

If Warner were to back Blu-ray solely, then the Blu-ray camp would control about 70% of the market.

The article goes on to warn, "On the other hand, if Toshiba were to win Warner's hand, the two forces would divide the market between them. That could create mass consumer confusion and potentially strangle a new technology that the studios hope will give a lift to flagging DVD sales."

Source:
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110.12.2007 3:08

its not about whats best for the consumer or what the best/friendliest format is. Its all about corporate greed and whats best for them!

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210.12.2007 3:31

I could almost care less who wins at this point, but i kinda hope warner does side with sony just so we can end this sh*t! pick one already!!!

310.12.2007 3:38

No shock if they do drop HD-DVD.Warner isn't the only one who going to be dropping there support for HD-DVD.Getcha popcorn ready its coming next month.

410.12.2007 3:48

i heard a different rumor from the same source (Business Week) that Warner was going to drop either Blu-Ray OR HD DVD after watching the Harry Potter 5 sales on both formats..
its just RUMORS
and why the heck is Lionsgate VICE chairman spreading rumors about Warner? thats like a vice-principal at a high school trying to predict the decisions of a foreign president. or something similar =P

510.12.2007 3:50

2 different formats will keep the prices lower for consumers, competition!

I'd prefer HD-DVD, but wanna get Disney movies for kids....

Damn formats, guess I'll just stick to DVD, wait for Hi-Def movies to come out on USB sticks.

No one wants scratch able discs anyways!

610.12.2007 4:17

Originally posted by chubbyInc:
2 different formats will keep the prices lower for consumers, competition!

I'd prefer HD-DVD, but wanna get Disney movies for kids....

Damn formats, guess I'll just stick to DVD, wait for Hi-Def movies to come out on USB sticks.

No one wants scratch able discs anyways!
LOL i loved that USB sticks comment
its true i was renting HD content disks from BB and netflix for a month, but oh my if the discs had just a bit more than normal wear and tear scratches, itd be like trying to play HD content on a PC running the first pentium chip.
but yea both formats being around at the beginning (now+1-2 years?) will drive prices way down for most consumers to even consider, so once thats taken care of I wouldn't mind just one

710.12.2007 4:25

lol, usb idea is amazing,

810.12.2007 4:25

Its all just rumors. And according to hughjars warner has already signed with HD-DVD. and we all know he is an inside man!

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910.12.2007 7:33

I believe it too. I think that Blu-ray will end up winning.

1010.12.2007 7:47

but warner are going 100% HD-DVD, HughJars told us and he knows EVERYTHING or at least he posts like he does. ;)

1110.12.2007 8:12
hughjars
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LMAO.

This is about as desperate as I've seen in this so far.

A senior exec in a Blu-ray supporting movie studio comes out to talk about a rumour he claims is going around
(well duuuuh, it's going around cos he's actually named & quoted as starting it).

All the PS3/Blu-ray fanclub will doubtless claim it as 100% truth.

Boy am I looking forward to next month.

The Blu-ray PS3 game console format 'supporters' will be making some interesting excuses.

1210.12.2007 8:26
Lidawano
Inactive

When they are the only Format left? Yeah, I agree.

1310.12.2007 9:04
hughjars
Inactive

Wow, another brand new account here to talk up PS3 & Blu-ray.

Who'd a thunk it?

1410.12.2007 9:10

So do Warner go with HD-DVD and prolong the HD war slowing up sales and reducing overall profits or do they go Blu-Ray to end the HD war and make more money when consumers become less confused.
I don't want Blu-Ray to win because of their unfinished profile,shady DRM that tracks your usage and their restricted region scheme that locks you into prices for the format.
I don't think the general public know about all the negatives of the Blu-Ray format.The number of Blu-Ray players out there over HD-DVD and maybe the overall marketing of the Blu-Ray format which seems to be in the publics eye most of the time are mostly obvious
to the public in general though and that is a concern.
Why isn't HD-DVD advertised as much as Blu-Ray in the UK?
If it is all about profit then ending the war early is a very likely proposition for Warner.
If Blu-Ray wins then a lot of people are in for a lot of DRM,region locked,fixed price pain all thanks to Sony's Trojan horse.
Here's hoping this is just another Blu-Ray rumour from the King of BS department as usual.

1510.12.2007 9:45

One thing i dont understand. Why movie studios want to choose Blu ray and give there money to SONY , a competitor ! . I personally think that HD DVD is the better format.

1610.12.2007 10:28
morguex
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
No shock if they do drop HD-DVD.Warner isn't the only one who going to be dropping there support for HD-DVD.Getcha popcorn ready its coming next month.
Fanboys, geeezzzz.

I hope they keep HDDVD, just to shut you up once and for all.
Have a nice day nexgen76.

1710.12.2007 10:56

Quote:

No shock if they do drop HD-DVD.Warner isn't the only one who going to be dropping there support for HD-DVD.Getcha popcorn ready its coming next month.

I hope they keep HDDVD, just to shut you up once and for all.
At least there's still freedom of expression within the rules here on AD.

Over at avsforums they shut down all the threads at removed all posts that had any bearing on this rumor.

1810.12.2007 10:58

I never liked Sony. I always felt they overcharge for shoddy products just because of their name. I've personally never had any problems with any toshiba items so truly hope they win this format war. Sony is the embodiment of an evil corp.

Why would they try to force blu ray on gamers, who in most cases didn't want to buy a ps3 for movies, although you didn't have much choice since they only had like 10 games. Then try to justify their high price tag by saying "but look at all this extra crap that you didn't want that you get with the system though."

I was disappoionted microsoft didn't have a hd dvd 360 at first, but I respect them for focusing on gamig and not all the bells and whistles.

1910.12.2007 11:15

Quote:
its not about whats best for the consumer or what the best/friendliest format is. Its all about corporate greed and whats best for them!
Thats my thinking as well, it seems like the only thing needed to get "Exclusives" in this format war is money. If you pay a company enough money they will come join you, as long as they can legally do so (i.e. without violating a current contract).

With "big money" Micro$oft supposedly backing HD DVD I wouldn't be suprised if sometime soon (possibly '08) they starting chucking money at Blu-Ray
"exclusive" companies to get them to join HD DVD "exclusively".

However, I am with many people that don't really care who wins and who doesn't but having the war does mean better prices for the consumers. :-)

Peace

2010.12.2007 11:16

Originally posted by Dat1boi:
I never liked Sony. I always felt they overcharge for shoddy products just because of their name. I've personally never had any problems with any toshiba items so truly hope they win this format war. Sony is the embodiment of an evil corp.

Why would they try to force blu ray on gamers, who in most cases didn't want to buy a ps3 for movies, although you didn't have much choice since they only had like 10 games. Then try to justify their high price tag by saying "but look at all this extra crap that you didn't want that you get with the system though."

I was disappoionted microsoft didn't have a hd dvd 360 at first, but I respect them for focusing on gamig and not all the bells and whistles.
Yes, they used their Blu-Ray format just to force it down gamers throats, not because it is a much larger medium than DVD.

2110.12.2007 12:02

As an outside observer to the whole BluRay vs. HDDVD and reading a whole lotta healthy doses of engadget, afterdawn and other techie sites. IMO it looks like BluRay is on its way to victory.

Who knows maybe HDDVD camp can do something like "buy a player and get 100 HDDVD movies for free" to stay in the game.

Do I own a PS3/BluRay player? No. Do I own a HDDVD player? No. I do own a Xbox360 but I won't go out and buy that stupid HDDVD adapter, even if it is $130.

I would have loved to seen Transformers in HD too but if its stuck on the losing side I'll be stuck with regular DVD and won't lose any sleep.

2210.12.2007 12:34
26r0cK
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lol too funny. hughjar have you realized that their are more HDDVD fanboyz in this article then Blu-ray fanboyz? all you HDDVD fanboyz are just scared. Face it, say wat you want, but in the back of every HDDVD fanboyz mind, you kno that Blu-ray is winning and they're not slowing down. Blu-ray fanboyz dont need any excuse. If this article is tru then all its doing is speeding up the process of Blu-ray's victory. All you HDDVD fanboyz may be hatin on me but Blu-ray fanboyz unite! XD ..imma just say this to shut you all up HD DVD fanboyz. your mighty hughjars is the biggest HDDVD fanboy there is, lookin for his comments to give yourself sum reliefs that HD DVD is still doing ok. pitty you all. ppl think sony is bad? remind you that second to toshiba is MS for HD DVD, and everybody knows MS is the 10x the evil of coorporations then sony can ever be.

2310.12.2007 12:52

@26r0cK

i just donr get one thing

why exactly do you get so excited about this?
does your dad work for sony or maybe you?

i couldnt care less for HD War since where i live icant even buy an hd player, but i´m just amazed on how much passion and energy some people will devote to cheer for a multibillion dollar internacional company, dont you have sports where you live? are they going to start giving away ps3`s for free if you make them win the war? are they going to bring prices down if they make it ultra fast? i just want some one to clear this up for me:

why do you want the hd war to be over?
in just one year how many pricedrops have you seen in all of the HD player both blu-ray and HD DVD and all because they want to get most of the market

2410.12.2007 12:53

more like Warner is dropping total HD not hddvd........

26r0cK
because these rumors are coming from the BR side of things... thus the fanboys have to state the obvious.


chubbyInc/sk8flawzz
a lot of older films will have to be remastered for HD content plus prices suck thus theres lil reason to jump now.

2510.12.2007 13:44
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by eatsushi:
Over at avsforums they shut down all the threads at removed all posts that had any bearing on this rumor.
- I think you'll find that over on avsforums they got totally sick of the fanboy contingent and booted the lot.

Zero tolerance in any topic.

Much to the annoyance of the Blu-ray fanclub cos it was one of their favoured outlets for their idiotic Hydra viral-marketing BS
(hence the current wave of sad bitchy comments that avsforums 'must' be anti-BD).

Originally posted by 26r0cK:
(oh look, another newbie account to talk up PS3 & Blu-ray)
hughjar have you realized that their are more HDDVD fanboyz in this article then Blu-ray fanboyz?
- LMAO.

Yeah, sure there are
(that is only if you define "fanboy" as someone not evangelising for Blu-ray & PS3).

Originally posted by 26r0cK:
all you HDDVD fanboyz are just scared.
- Of what?

A "rumour" put out by a named & quoted Blu-ray supporting studio exec?

As if.

Personally I'm really looking forward to CES, I am going to enjoy the truth of all of this when it comes out.

There is nothing to be "scared" of
(Jeeez you'll be talkling about 'love' and 'hate' for CE corporations & their products next. *rolls eyes*).

Blu-ray is the one piling up pointless game console sales in the game console market.
HD DVD is the one with a tidal wave of $100 entry level players coming to the a/v mass-market in a couple of months
(as a regular price, not a seasonal special).
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2610.12.2007 14:05

Originally posted by Hugh:

Blu-ray is the one piling up pointless game console sales in the game console market.
HD DVD is the one with a tidal wave of $100 entry level players coming to the a/v mass-market in a couple of months
(as a regular price, not a seasonal special).
I'm curious to know how well those cheaper HD players are selling. I only get my news on the subject from here so I really wouldn't know.

2710.12.2007 14:13

LMAO

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2810.12.2007 14:18

Quote:
Originally posted by Hugh:

Blu-ray is the one piling up pointless game console sales in the game console market.
HD DVD is the one with a tidal wave of $100 entry level players coming to the a/v mass-market in a couple of months
(as a regular price, not a seasonal special).
I'm curious to know how well those cheaper HD players are selling. I only get my news on the subject from here so I really wouldn't know.

In comparation to over all stock HDVD is selling most of what they make, BR movies are sitting on shelfs..least last I checked.

Now heres the thing neither are getting anywhere at this point and time mainly because the HDVD cheap players where merely a short in the arm for holiday sales and not a permenante price point which should be coming in a few months.


Right now BRs main trouble is having a ton of players(including PS3) sold yet have a glut of movies on the market,even if you count 30-50% of the PS3 consoles as full players the numbers are scary for the BR side they should be pushing 2-4X as many movies with those numbers.

HDVD is doing well enough for saleing what it has the trouble is its still a niche market and a lot of people are simply not buying the movies, hopefully in 18 months they will drop the Hdef movie prices thats the only way to push sales with 200 and under price players.

2910.12.2007 14:22

Originally posted by Hughjars:
Personally I'm really looking forward to CES, I am going to enjoy the truth of all of this when it comes out.
You can't be looking forward to CES next month.Whats does HD-DVD bring to the table thats going to lure Warner over? Surely not movie sells because they haven't beat out Blu-Ray for one week this year & not looking like they are this Year.Can't be attachment rates BS because money talks.I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why you or any HD-DVD fan boy looking forward to next month.Can't be the cheaper players which seem to have fail because the software market has gotten bigger for Blu-Ray this Holiday season.Oh it must be the extras HD-DVD offer on there disc...You got to be kidding me if any HD-DVD fanboy looking forward to next month because the truth is coming out no more BS PR spins about attachment rates & whats a standalone.
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3010.12.2007 14:25

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hugh:

Blu-ray is the one piling up pointless game console sales in the game console market.
HD DVD is the one with a tidal wave of $100 entry level players coming to the a/v mass-market in a couple of months
(as a regular price, not a seasonal special).
I'm curious to know how well those cheaper HD players are selling. I only get my news on the subject from here so I really wouldn't know.

In comparation to over all stock HDVD is selling most of what they make, BR movies are sitting on shelfs..least last I checked.

Now heres the thing neither are getting anywhere at this point and time mainly because the HDVD cheap players where merely a short in the arm for holiday sales and not a permenante price point which should be coming in a few months.


Right now BRs main trouble is having a ton of players(including PS3) sold yet have a glut of movies on the market,even if you count 30-50% of the PS3 consoles as full players the numbers are scary for the BR side they should be pushing 2-4X as many movies with those numbers.

HDVD is doing well enough for saleing what it has the trouble is its still a niche market and a lot of people are simply not buying the movies, hopefully in 18 months they will drop the Hdef movie prices thats the only way to push sales with 200 and under price players.
Do you have the figures to support that first line about HDDVD sell most of what they make? Maybe a link?
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3110.12.2007 15:39

The only question I have is why would anyone say they'd prefer one format over. In reality, Blu-ray is slightly technologically more advanced but they both produce the exact same end result..........especially since HD-DVD now has the means to match Blu-ray's capacity. Who cares who wins? On one hand we've got Sony trying to rule the world with BD and on the other Microsoft trying to rule the world (with Toshiba) with HD-DVD. Even though they're cool and useful technologies, we all lose............kinda like Alien vs. Predator HA HA HA!

3210.12.2007 15:46
vinny13
Inactive

" 'Tis the season to be jolly! Fa lalalala la la la la! "

Can't we all just get along? lol

3310.12.2007 15:58
BIGnewb
Inactive

Originally posted by 26r0cK:
lol too funny. hughjar have you realized that their are more HDDVD fanboyz in this article then Blu-ray fanboyz? all you HDDVD fanboyz are just scared. Face it, say wat you want, but in the back of every HDDVD fanboyz mind, you kno that Blu-ray is winning and they're not slowing down. Blu-ray fanboyz dont need any excuse. If this article is tru then all its doing is speeding up the process of Blu-ray's victory. All you HDDVD fanboyz may be hatin on me but Blu-ray fanboyz unite! XD ..imma just say this to shut you all up HD DVD fanboyz. your mighty hughjars is the biggest HDDVD fanboy there is, lookin for his comments to give yourself sum reliefs that HD DVD is still doing ok. pitty you all. ppl think sony is bad? remind you that second to toshiba is MS for HD DVD, and everybody knows MS is the 10x the evil of coorporations then sony can ever be.
nothing but truth.bluray fanboys?where wtf?all i see is shitbox 360 and hd-dvd fanboys around here.

and btw movie studios rather support DRM so they can make more money and protect their movies.but you can also remove DRM and its not like software isnt gonna come out for you to remove it.plus why r u talking about ripping hd-movies if you dont have an hd drive or burner.PERIOD YOU GUYS LOSE!

3410.12.2007 16:29

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hugh:

Blu-ray is the one piling up pointless game console sales in the game console market.
HD DVD is the one with a tidal wave of $100 entry level players coming to the a/v mass-market in a couple of months
(as a regular price, not a seasonal special).
I'm curious to know how well those cheaper HD players are selling. I only get my news on the subject from here so I really wouldn't know.

In comparation to over all stock HDVD is selling most of what they make, BR movies are sitting on shelfs..least last I checked.

Now heres the thing neither are getting anywhere at this point and time mainly because the HDVD cheap players where merely a short in the arm for holiday sales and not a permenante price point which should be coming in a few months.


Right now BRs main trouble is having a ton of players(including PS3) sold yet have a glut of movies on the market,even if you count 30-50% of the PS3 consoles as full players the numbers are scary for the BR side they should be pushing 2-4X as many movies with those numbers.

HDVD is doing well enough for saleing what it has the trouble is its still a niche market and a lot of people are simply not buying the movies, hopefully in 18 months they will drop the Hdef movie prices thats the only way to push sales with 200 and under price players.
Do you have the figures to support that first line about HDDVD sell most of what they make? Maybe a link?
Nope its mostly reading in to what everyone said,but soemone should have some more concrete info, anyone got HDVD/BR sales to stock ratios?

Anyway heres a basis for my quote
http://www.betanews.com/article/Bluray_D..._DVD/1172267610

Because BR has 1M more players sold it should have a 3 to 1 ratio at the exstream least a 2 to 1 ratio is just bad for all the BR players that have sold.

Still both are not hurting from the sluggish sales, when things start flooding thats when the end will be near until the its riding the slow waves of sale after sale.

3510.12.2007 16:47

Quote:
plus why r u talking about ripping hd-movies if you dont have an hd drive or burner.PERIOD YOU GUYS LOSE!

Durrr, ummm-a, that's the beauty of the HD-DVD add on for the 360. It's USB and works great on a pc, for watching or ripping.

PERIOD.

3610.12.2007 16:49

Originally posted by Zippy:
Because BR has 1M more players sold it should have a 3 to 1 ratio at the exstream least a 2 to 1 ratio is just bad for all the BR players that have sold.
See this is were i disagree with you.When your a major CE like Warner your not looking at what a CE should have done or have the ability to do.Company's are looking at the Bottom line how much money you can bring them & how much they can lose.Which mean no company going to give HD-DVD a exclusive deal base off what they did this year which is nothing but lower hardware prices.But there software is still higher than BD.CE don't get mixed up into all this hyped like we do they look at actual figures not what some CE assume another CE should have done.

3710.12.2007 17:16

i really dont care who wins cuz i have a blu ray player an hd dvd player as long as i can play my hd dvd's i have and blu rya movies i'm happy. Fu*K the whole war thing but i would prefer to go with hd dvd mainly because i'm not a big supporter of sony the company in general by some of the faulty and shady things they pull on consumers but i do enjoy some of their products. Now will sony give the consumer what they want if they win is my whole deal.

3810.12.2007 17:39

Quote:
But there software is still higher than BD.

BUZZZZZZZ. Sorry, wrong answer. Read the newsweek article and even THAT biased reporter admits that HD-DVD MSRP is about $2 less than BR.

(link if needed http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/con...ndex_best+of+bw )

But of course, facts like that only matter to weirdos like me I guess.

3910.12.2007 17:46

A vice president for WB already told us this was most likely coming after the holidays. He never recanted that statement. Someone from the marketing strategy office said in an interview with only highdefdigest.com that they were remaining neutral for the foreseeable future.
Now Business Week magazine and studio big wigs are telling us that it is in the works.


Quote:
"The rumour is that Warner is coming aboard soon," Michael Burns, vice-chairman of studio Lionsgate (LGF) told the magazine. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."

This is quite interesting. Why would a "vice-chairman" (I assume that's much higher than a peon VP, like those who like spreading rumors at some forums) of a major Hollywood studio say something like "the rumor is that is.He knows far more than us.
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4010.12.2007 18:39

If Sony got rid of region locking and allowed the user to make a Copy Protected backup so you can stream the film you bought from something else then they would be doing everyone a favour.
Blu-Ray is too restrictive.If consumers put on the pressure to allow the format to be more friendly to consumers then it could change a lot of peoples negative views into positive ones.
However,I doubt they are listening as arrogance and ignorance are Sony's forte!

4110.12.2007 19:04
hughjars
Inactive

Ha ha.

Warner have now started to postpone indefinitely/can big Blu-ray releases.

Cos that's just what a movie studio would do when it's about to go Blu-ray exclusive, right Blu-ray fanboys?

Meanwhile I'm loving my HD DVD Led Zeppelin.

Too bad Blu-ray Led Zep fans, you shouldn't have trusted in a game console format.
Best go HD DVD and hurry up & enjoy (it is excellent btw).

Oooooh, I guess I'm supposed to be scared about this news too, eh?

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4210.12.2007 19:55

Originally posted by hughjars:

Warner have now started to postpone indefinitely/can big Blu-ray releases.
Which titles are you referring to?

A review of scheduled Warner releases on highdefdigest.com for both formats shows the exact same dates for each title from now until May - except Terminator 3 (12/18/07) which has been previously released on HD DVD.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html
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4310.12.2007 19:55

Originally posted by hughjars:
Ha ha.

Warner have now started to postpone indefinitely/can big Blu-ray releases.

Cos that's just what a movie studio would do when it's about to go Blu-ray exclusive, right Blu-ray fanboys?

Meanwhile I'm loving my HD DVD Led Zeppelin.

Too bad Blu-ray Led Zep fans, you shouldn't have trusted in a game console format.
Best go HD DVD and hurry up & enjoy (it is excellent btw).

Oooooh, I guess I'm supposed to be scared about this news too, eh?
i say BS. it was cancelled on both formats. they even took it down from there site. amazon says its still pre-order.
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4410.12.2007 20:16

Pffft VHS pwns all

4510.12.2007 20:36

Originally posted by banshee07:
i say BS. it was cancelled on both formats. they even took it down from there site. amazon says its still pre-order.
Led Zeppelin - The Song Remains the Same is available on both formats from amazon.uk:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Led-Zeppelin-Son...97336716&sr=8-3
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Led-Zeppelin-Son...97336716&sr=8-4

The US street date for both formats is, according to highdefdigest.com, TBA:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1023/songremainsthesame.html
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1024/songremainsthesame.html

amazon.com has this title available on both formats with a street date of 12/31/2010(!) so I guess the TBA info from highdefdigest.com is accurate:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...anandscathed-20
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...anandscathed-20

Someone on avsforums claims a copyright issue is to blame for the delayed US release on both formats.

I'm tempted to order the HD DVD from amazon.uk but the price is a deal breaker.

17.98 GBP = 36.80 USD (That's without the shipping charge.)
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4610.12.2007 21:00
hughjars
Inactive

No, not BS.

I have my HD DVD copy sitting right here (I got it through the post last week).

.....and an Amazon listing proves nothing, only that they are out of date.
It was supposed to be released today on Blu-ray (the 11th).

It's been indefinitely postponed/canned.

Wriggle away Blu-ray fans.

4710.12.2007 21:07

Originally posted by hughjars:
It's been indefinitely postponed/canned.

Like I said in my post - it's available on both formats in the UK.

The US street date for both formats has been pushed back. It's been indefinitely postponed/canned for both HD DVD and BluRay here in the US.

UK fans can buy it on both HD DVD and BluRay. US fans with HD DVD can import from the UK but at a premium - $36.80.
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4810.12.2007 21:09
hughjars
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You really can't see anything unusual in an indefinite postponment/cancelation of such a potentially huge release in the USA?

Come on.

4910.12.2007 21:12

It been postponed/cancelled here in the US on BOTH FORMATS. So what's your point?

You said they're cancelling on BluRay only but this is not the case. This title is cancelled/postponed in the US for BOTH HD DVD AND BluRay.

Read again: For UK fans it's available on BOTH HD DVD AND BluRay on amazon.uk. This is why you have a copy. The situation is different here in the US.

Like someone one avsforums said there is likely a copyright issue that affects all formats including the SD DVD release. There's nothing here that's specific to HD DVD or BluRay.

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a potentially huge release in the USA
I don't see it as a big seller unless the population of 40-something classic rockers increased all of a sudden.
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5010.12.2007 21:23

Warner are no doubt looking at sales figures for both hardware and software this Christmas and making the decision soon.
If I were Warner,I would be giving my HD support to the highest bidder.
Microsoft together with Toshiba will have BIG pockets.
Sony could be in trouble!
Frikkin' HD war is ridiculous!

5110.12.2007 21:40
BIGnewb
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hughjars is making himself looks like a bigger fanboy by spreading bullshit.he's saying he has the only release version when the bluray one is out too.the dude even proved it on amazon.so what you're saying you own amazon and know that they didnt change the date.you're so insecure,copying and pasting the same crap.

honestly drm isnt an issue.there will be software to remove it just like in mp3 files so your arguement is proven illegitamite.btw why does bluray movies sell more if hd-dvd players are so cheap.LMAO

5210.12.2007 21:42

Warner does not sell hard ware. They are looking at software sales for the 4th quarter. I wonder why they are doing a BOGO sell on Blu-Ray this week. And not on HD DVD. Your correct juankerr, they are both canceled in the USA. Not that I give a crap about a concert. Big seller, right.

BIGnewb, you actually read what hug post. Read it once, same song.

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5310.12.2007 21:48

Originally posted by glasssd:
Your correct juankerr, they are both canceled in the USA. Not that I give a crap about a concert. Big seller, right.

I don't know why he's having a difficult time realizing that some titles that are available on amazon.uk are not available on the US amazon site.

The Led Zep/HD DVD fans on avsforums are disappointed too:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=881379&page=2

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Hidefdgiest.com moved this from "in stores this week" to "postponed with no release date". WTF?

That is odd. Maybe they want to add some footage of todays show in England! I dunno. I know I've already ordered it, even though I've already got it on SD-DVD.

Yeah heard that earlier. Postponed for both formats. Really sucks.

Funny that they would cancel as of this afternoon, i mean the stores would have the stock in by now and it was already released on DVD!!! RRRRrrr!
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5410.12.2007 21:53

You think he may be trying to move the topic away from Warner LEAVING hd dvd. I was wondering how he would spin it. He never lets me down.

5510.12.2007 22:24

Originally posted by glasssd:
Warner does not sell hard ware. They are looking at software sales for the 4th quarter. I wonder why they are doing a BOGO sell on Blu-Ray this week. And not on HD DVD. Your correct juankerr, they are both canceled in the USA. Not that I give a crap about a concert. Big seller, right.

BIGnewb, you actually read what hug post. Read it once, same song.
They don't have to sale hardware merely look at the numbers, the numbers state BR is not doing "better" merely no worse than HDVD.

5610.12.2007 22:57

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12041.cfm

Cites a 3:1 margin in favor of Blu-Ray so far for Christmas.

This is why I asked you Zippy:

Do you have the figures to support that first line about HDDVD sell most of what they make? Maybe a link?

Just curious.

5710.12.2007 23:22

Originally posted by sciascia:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12041.cfm

Cites a 3:1 margin in favor of Blu-Ray so far for Christmas.

This is why I asked you Zippy:

Do you have the figures to support that first line about HDDVD sell most of what they make? Maybe a link?

Just curious.
My info is abit dated, did some looking it seems BR has finally started to sale more,but not a lot more even a 3 to 1 is kinda low for the players sold(and its mostly states more than 2 to 1 but not 3, nearly 3 dose not count).

here are some other numbers
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/07/nie...nding-december/

these are market ratios to the disc sales, BR is doing alil better but they have nearly 3 times as many players out of coarse if you discount the PS3 they barely have double, if BR is going to win they are going to need a 4 to one or better ratio,if BR keeps the 3+ to 1 into spring it might happen.

If BR can pull off 4-6 to 1 the studios will jump over to them quickly.

5811.12.2007 3:36

Cool Led Zeppelin in HD-DVD, is that available in the states too?

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6111.12.2007 7:49

Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
Cool Led Zeppelin in HD-DVD, is that available in the states too?
Like juankerr has been saying, the Led Zep Song Remains the Same HD DVD and BluRay release date has been pushed back indefinitely here in the US. Even the SD DVD has been pulled from distributors.

For UK fans it's available from amazon.uk in both formats.

If you really want it - and judging by your sig you do - you can import the HD DVD from amazon.uk for $38 plus shipping and it should play in your region 1 player.

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Not that I give a crap about a concert. Big seller, right
I wasn't even born when they filmed that concert in 1976. I wouldn't even know about Led Zep until my dad played Stairway to Heaven on his original vinyl LP. I said it sounded good so he gave me a CD of both the original studio album and the concert soundtrack.

They actually showed the concert on VH1Classic last night. It's probably something that I'd pick up on HD but not at >$30.
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6211.12.2007 8:31

For anyone who's interested:

As of 8:15 AM EST today the Led Zeppelin disc is available on BOTH HD DVD and BluRay from dvdempire.com. The question is will they ship.

http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v5_search_...earch_refined=0
http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v5_search_...earch_refined=0

Someone on avsforums claims he was able to get a BluRay copy from MovieStop.

amazon.com (US) still shows pre-order for both formats.

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6311.12.2007 9:00

juankerr:

As of 8:45 EST the HD DVD version on dvdempire is back ordered. I guess someone got their last copy.

The BluRay version is in stock though so I ordered one copy. Let's see if it ships.

6411.12.2007 9:12
hughjars
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Originally posted by juankerr:
I don't see it as a big seller unless the population of 40-something classic rockers increased all of a sudden.
- You must be joking.

Led Zeppelin were and remain (as last nights O2 concert showed only too clearly) one of the biggest bands in the whole world, if not the biggest.

......and a real band of writing musicians at that (not a bunch of drum machine programmers & timed beeps and car alarm buzzes).

I see a lot of people trying to damn this news as being of no consequence but that's the light-weight spin.

If it had just been a matter of both formats being pulled that wouldn't be worth remarking upon.
But it isn't, is it?

Warner pulling the LZ disc the day before they were supposed to go on release and on the Blu-ray format that they were supposed to be going exclusive on (according to Blu-ray supporting movie studio execs.....LMAO) and with no replacement date for release being given does not, IMO, sound quite right with all the rumour and atmosphere that the Blu-ray fanclub are currently trying to manufacture.

Roll on CES.

.....oh jeeezzz, I see someone's trying to roll out & give that 2:1, 3:1 or (laughably still even giving) 4:1 BS a shot.

It's way too early & the market is way too tiny to be trying to make a biog deal of the numbers, don't you get it yet?

Haven't you guys woken up to the fact that all of the Blu-ray and HD DVD releases sold, combined, since they (both) started have not added up to one major SD DVD release this year.

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In reviewing the news related to the high def format war last week, I was struck by the announcement from the Blu-Ray Disc Association (the BDA), that 4 million Blu-Ray discs have been sold in 2007 compared to 2.7 million on HD-DVD.
This Blu-Ray release was released in response to one from the HD-DVD camp concerning the uptick in sales of HD-DVD players and that there have been 750,000 HD-DVD players sold in the US to date, including the X-Box 360 add on.

As always, you must take the PR releases from all sides in the format war with a huge grain of salt.

However, there was one fact stated in this release which has gotten little notice, namely the quoted sales figures. Let’s for a moment accept them as true.
While 4 million Blu-Ray discs sold is better than 2006, it means that all of the BD discs sold in 2007 don’t even total the sales figures for one major DVD release like Transformers or 300.

That’s right, ONE DVD release in 2007, just one, has outsold the entire number of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD’s sold in 2007.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/12/blu...es-pitiful.html
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6511.12.2007 9:17

Originally posted by hughjars:
Warner pulling the LZ disc the day before they were supposed to go on release [i]and on the Blu-ray format that they were supposed to be going exclusive on
Read the posts again hughjars.

They were pulled on all formats: HD DVD, BluRay and SD DVD.

Not just BluRay like you claimed - all formats were pulled. There's nothing there to spin ON EITHER SIDE.

Even the HD DVD fans on avsforums were disappointed at the news.
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6611.12.2007 9:21
hughjars
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Read the posts again hughjars.

They were pulled on all formats: HD DVD, BluRay and SD DVD.
- Read what I said about what the Blu-ray fanclub have been trying to say juankerr.

6811.12.2007 9:27

The BluRay fanclub has nothing to do with the Led Zep news. It affected both formats and fans on both sides are disappointed.

Lighten up hughjars. This obsession to counter the other side is having a really bad effect on the way you see things.

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6911.12.2007 10:46
hughjars
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Originally posted by glasssd:
WARNER SET TO DROP HD DVD

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12116.cfm


- Precisely.

Show me the HD DVD movie studio exec who ever came out to spread a ridiculous rumour like this and I'll agree there's an equivalency here in this.

You can't.

It's pathetic......but so utterly indicative of how desperate the game console format guys now are.

7011.12.2007 11:46

Originally posted by hughjars:
It's pathetic......but so utterly indicative of how desperate the game console format guys now are.
Stooping down to their level and spreading your own FUD and "BS" - particularly about the LZ disc - is not the correct way to respond IMO.

7111.12.2007 11:47

There is only one person here that is DESPERATE. LMAO

7211.12.2007 11:52

I caved in and bought a PS3 just for Blu-Ray playback and upscaling DVD's.I checked out some threads at AVForums and those who rated it high along with HD-DVD have both systems.I'll buy HD-DVD next.
It sucks that this is the only way that I can purchse the movies I want.I won't be replacing all my DVD collection though,just my favorites.I won't bother with PS3 games for now as most of them are poor ports from the 360 which does me fine.
Thats the real problem.Most people will get DVD's and be happy with uscaling and only buy the odd High Def title which isn't of the conveyor belt movie trash variety.Transormers was technicaly outstanding but an average film overall.Michael Bay is all action and no substance and it shows when he talks.
I think HD will be a very slow grower and I don't see the format war ending for some time.If my player turns into betamax then I'll just have to laugh at my poor decision and be happy that I bought into HD-DVD too.

7311.12.2007 12:43
vinny13
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The Song Remains The Same sold poorly when it was origionally released('76 I believe) and had a lot of mixed reviews over it... Why would it sell so many more today?

7411.12.2007 12:50

Originally posted by vinny13:
The Song Remains The Same sold poorly when it was origionally released('76 I believe) and had a lot of mixed reviews over it... Why would it sell so many more today?

because theres a whole new generation of stoner's that need the music :P

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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7511.12.2007 12:56

Originally posted by glasssd:
There is only one person here that is DESPERATE. LMAO
You do realize that Michael Burns via loins gate is part of the blu ray consortium.....any rumors he spouts agisnt HD DVD are...well...mistruths directed to make HD DVD look bad.



Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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7611.12.2007 13:14

I know he is part of Lionsgate. I dont agree with the rest of your statement.

7711.12.2007 13:38
hughjars
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Originally posted by glasssd:
There is only one person here that is DESPERATE. LMAO
- Oh dear, left resorting to dreary little pathetic personal digs again glassed, huh?

LMAO, indeed.

Originally posted by vinny13:
The Song Remains The Same sold poorly when it was origionally released('76 I believe)
- VHS back in 1976?!

Hardly surprising.

But if you have the original sales stats I'd like a look vinny.....or did you just make that up?

Originally posted by vinny13:
and had a lot of mixed reviews over it.
- and so what?

It's not the best live show anyone will ever see but it is Led Zeppelin and there are still some amazing sections of the movie, most of the live performance is superb.

Originally posted by vinny13:
.. Why would it sell so many more today?
- Because it has been put together properly (and is now the entire Madison Sq Garden show, not just most of it like the incomplete previous release) it's been totally cleaned up, remastered in proper 5.1 and is simply a must for anyone that appreciates Led Zeppelin (which is millions of people the whole world over).

7811.12.2007 13:57

Originally posted by glasssd:
I know he is part of Lionsgate. I dont agree with the rest of your statement.

*head desk*
So if sony came out and said nintendo is doing badly or they will be making games for the PS3 from now on you would believe them?

oy.....its the same thing......

7911.12.2007 14:07

I dont agree. I think this man knows what he is talking about. If the shoe was on the other foot, I would not blame you for believing it. I may be reading things into this but WB has not publicly denied this. It would not be the first time I was wrong about something thow.

8011.12.2007 14:13

Quote:
"The rumour is that Warner is coming aboard soon," Michael Burns, vice-chairman of studio Lionsgate (LGF) told the magazine. "That will make it awfully tough for HD DVD to stay in this game."
Please tell me where he made the rumor he was just repeating what he heard thats all.You HD-DVD fanboys always over reacting.

8111.12.2007 14:15

highdefdigest.com has the official announcement from Warner on the delay of the Led Zep disc on SD DVD, HD DVD and BluRay:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/W...VD_(Again)/1252

However, DVD Empire may not have gotten the news. They've just sent me an e-mail that confirms they have shipped the BluRay version of the disc that I ordered today.

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8211.12.2007 14:22
hughjars
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Originally posted by nextgen76:
Please tell me where he made the rumor he was just repeating what he heard thats all.You HD-DVD fanboys always over reacting.
- Please tell me when you ever heard a movie studio senior exec (a Vice-Chairman no less, not the usual media mouthpice VP) come out a spread a rumour like this.

(you certainly have never heard a senior HD DVD supporting studio exec come out with this kind of idiotic nonsense)

Spin it all you like but the truth is you haven't, ever.

It is a sign of their desperation.
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8311.12.2007 14:23

Quote:
Originally posted by hughjars:
It's pathetic......but so utterly indicative of how desperate the game console format guys now are.
Stooping down to their level and spreading your own FUD and "BS" - particularly about the LZ disc - is not the correct way to respond IMO.
LOL...This shouldn't come to a shock to anyone you proved him wrong now he goes on a flame rant.He is low on BS & Fud since AVS forum has all but close down there HD forums.

Originally posted by hughjars=:
Please tell me when you ever heard a movie studio senior exec (a Vice-Chairman no less, not the usual media mouthpice VP) come out a spread a rumour like this.

Spin it all you like but the truth is you haven't, ever.

It is a sign of their desperation.
Thats don't matter he was repeating what he heard..Whys is this so hard for you to figure out something so simple.You putting word into his mouth that he never said...Desperation he have no need to be worried his format is doing really well right now what about Toshiba ? Can they say that after 150 million exclusive deal & A fire sale on all there first gen players? They still have yet to crack into Blu-Ray HD market share.
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8411.12.2007 14:29
hughjars
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LMAO

Reduced to little bitchy snidey side comments again Nextgen?

S'funny how avs was the target for your moans & compliants a little while back but now you love them cos you (wrongly) assume I cannot post there (unlike your Blu-ray.com pals).

AVSForums have not closed down their HD sections btw, they just kicked out all the (mostly) Blu-ray.com viral marketing BS'ers.

I can (and do) post there quite freely.

Wise up.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
Desperation he have no need to be worried his format is doing really well right now
- Wake up, high def sales of all kinds are pitiably tiny right now.

No-one is doing particularly well right now.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
what about Toshiba ?
- What about them?

After licencing the Toshiba HD A3 to the Chinese we're a couple of months away from $100 HD DVD players (as their regular price, not a season special).

HD DVD is on track to break the right market, the adult mainstream a/v market; not a game console market.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
Can they say that after 150 million exclusive deal
- Prove it.

I keep asking you to back that claim up and all you can do is turn up the same reports of rumours or unnamed 'insiders' (and we all know who the only 'insider' involved in those reports was, right?).

Originally posted by nextgen76:
& A fire sale on all there first gen players?
- A "firesale"?!

LMAO

You mean like Samsung is engaged in right now
(as they dump Blu-ray stand-alones)?

Originally posted by nextgen76:
They still have yet to crack into Blu-Ray HD market share.
- Actually Blu-ray has lost market share this year (they have fallen from a years best of about 75:25 to the recent 42:58 and the year overall is still 60:40 IIRC - even with Blu-ray trying to 'buy' weeks with various 'buy-one-get-one-free' offers that distort the sales data.
.....but then the sales numbers are hardly based on sales data that anyone might call 'transparent'.

But who cares about Blu-ray's (wrong) market share anyways?
They can have the PS3 game console market all to themselves
(how could they not have it all to themselves anyway, there's no choice in the matter for PS3 owners).
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8611.12.2007 15:05
BIGnewb
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hughjars you're still not getting it and you're changing the subject.you got proven wrong and you're saying what vice chairman would say that?wtf?man all versions were delayed and thats it.and oh yea i remember you kept posting about "hd-dvd are so cheap they will win for sure",so how come bluray owns most of the market and no hd-dvd has ever beaten a bluray movie?hmmm transformers on bluray is getting closer and closer lmao.

8711.12.2007 15:10

Originally posted by BIGnewb:
hughjars you're still not getting it and you're changing the subject.you got proven wrong and you're saying what vice chairman would say that?wtf?man all versions were delayed and thats it.and oh yea i remember you kept posting about "hd-dvd are so cheap they will win for sure",so how come bluray owns most of the market and no hd-dvd has ever beaten a bluray movie?hmmm transformers on bluray is getting closer and closer lmao.
HDVD players have not shifted to sub 150 range, short term sales do not count, like 3 or so million PS3s do not count as players because only half of all the PS3 owners will buy films like thos who buy stand alone players.

8811.12.2007 15:20
hughjars
Inactive

You will not find senior HD DVD movie exec coming out with the kind of nonsense this Blu-ray supporting movie exec has come out with.

But it's pointless Zippy, these guys refuse to accept that by being bundled with PS3 they were bound to get sales of several millions fairly quickly
(even if the PS3 is a bit of a flop in its own market).

Blu-ray could hardly fail to establish some sort of initial lead.

The issue for the sales numbers is really just how poor a lead Blu-ray has built up on the back of the PS3.
That and the whole business of them being in the wrong market in the first place.
A game console market is not the mainstream a/v market.

We're a couple of months off of the regularly priced $100 HD DVD player, that will be very big in the mainstream a/v market.
Then we'll start to see things happening fairly quickly (we're already seeing the Nielson numbers moving back above the 40% level for HD DVD btw).

8911.12.2007 15:25

Samsung is not doing a fire sale. $299 is far from the give away toshiba did with the $99 sale. Toshiba should have given fries and a large drink away with that. Samsungs player is 1080P tosh's was the i. But that does not matter does it. Let me ansewer for you, no difference in P and I, most people dont have a 1080P TV set and will never get one, BLA, BLA, BLA, BLA, BLA. It's ok to admit that you backed the wrong side. Take a deep breath and get you a BLU-RAY player.

9011.12.2007 15:38

Originally posted by hughjars:
We're a couple of months off of the regularly priced $100 HD DVD player, that will be very big in the mainstream a/v market.
Like I said before the guy who can afford only the $100 player will likely pass on current HDM prices. Like it or not this is still an enthusiast's market with the masses still confused and/or unaware.
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9111.12.2007 18:03

Quote:
Like I said before the guy who can afford only the $100 player will likely pass on current HDM prices. Like it or not this is still an enthusiast's market with the masses still confused and/or unaware.

That's a good point, and hopefully one that the studios will take to heart. If one format is to get a leg up on the other, though, it'll be the one with sub $99 players.

9211.12.2007 18:04

Originally posted by Hughjars:
- Actually Blu-ray has lost market share this year (they have fallen from a years best of about 75:25 to the recent 42:58 and the year overall is still 60:40 IIRC - even with Blu-ray trying to 'buy' weeks with various 'buy-one-get-one-free' offers that distort the sales data.
Wtf...Dude just stop it okay those number are not even close here is the last figures post by Nielsen/Videoscan.YTD is BD-65% HDD-35%.



Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending December 2nd

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0907/index.php

WE: BD-58% HDD-42% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%


You getting weekly mixed up with YTD.Thats was a weekly figure of dec 2 BD58% : 42%HD.Always trying to twist numbers.
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9311.12.2007 18:42

Just another story about the HD war and some geezers comments.
Just more fuel to an ever burning fire though...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/11/...are_sales_2007/

9411.12.2007 18:57
hughjars
Inactive

Originally posted by nextgen76:
Wtf...Dude just stop it okay
- LMAO.

Yeah, like anyone ever listens to you giving out your orders!

Hilarious.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
those number are not even close
- Er, yes they are.

Blu-ray held a lead from the start of the year into april/may of around 75:25.

It's now back to 60:40 (or better).

In fact when we get a single really big HD DVD release (Transformers) we saw almost parity (51:49).

....but then Blu-ray had to (very expensively) try and buy those weeks with 'buy-one-get-one-free' offers.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
Always trying to twist numbers.
- No, I leave that kind of obvious nonsense to you, you're totally reliable for that.
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9511.12.2007 19:10
whytelyou
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Warner Bros. on HD DVD, Blu-ray: No changes in support for either format.

http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?p=677


Buy One HD DVD and Receive a Second for Free

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie...9&creative=9325

About time for HD-DVD to do this.

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9611.12.2007 22:29
camaro17
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god damnit hughars, just......god damnit

9712.12.2007 7:45
BIGnewb
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Originally posted by hughjars:
But it's pointless Zippy, these guys refuse to accept that by being bundled with PS3 they were bound to get sales of several millions fairly quickly
(even if the PS3 is a bit of a flop in its own market).
how if the ps3 sold 7 million in its first year,mind u it isnt christmas yet and the 360 sold 5 million.and the ps3 will continue to outsell it worldwide.and it aint my fault that my 360 dont play hd-dvd lol.

9812.12.2007 8:00
hughjars
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Originally posted by BIGnewb:
how if the ps3 sold 7 million in its first year
- Shipped, sold blah blah blah.

The fact is that it isn't shifting Blu-ray movies in the numbers they expected.

Call it what you like.

Call it an all-in total of 10 million PS3s, a handful of PC burners and a few stand-alones.

V

Approx 1 million HD DVD players.

Producing a total of -

Quote:
4 million Blu-Ray discs have been sold in 2007 compared to 2.7 million on HD-DVD.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/12/blu...es-pitiful.html

If you can't see the weakness of a side so wholly reliant on a game console which, despite a 'player' advantage of 10:1+, can only manage a retail movie lead of under 2:1.35 then that's you problem.

CES is going to be very very good for HD DVD, mark my words.
It's only a month away & this thread will still be easily found.
We'll talk about this later, I'm sure.
I'll look forward to it.

9912.12.2007 8:51

I'm neutral in this whole HD format argument as I'm going to own both.HD-DVD are selling players and movies and their numbers can't be disputed because they are for films only.
The Blu-Ray numbers are completely flawed by the PS3 because people have bought it just for games.So an approximate percentage ratio of PS3 owners that buy Blu-Ray films has to be guessed at.This ratio is indeed very low.
I'll just say that although the PS3 is a games console and many people rightfuly don't class that as a Blu-Ray player when doing the HD format numbers ,it doesn't mean things will stay that way.
There is a definite argument for potential growth of Blu-Ray film sales when people decide to upgrade their TV's and begin to buy Blu-Ray films for their PS3's.Then the ratio of Ps3 owners that buy Blu-Ray films increases and this could have a dramatic effect on sales when combined with the actual standalone Blu-Ray players out there..
My brother bought a PS3 for games and rents/buys Blu-Ray films because he has a HD TV.I'll just be buying/renting Blu-Ray films for my PS3 as I've just recently bought a HD TV.HD-DVD and Sky HD are also on the list,I guess I'm an enthusiast right now.
Anyway this HD format argument will go on and on but it's about time everyone should just get along and chill out.It's not the end of the world if a format you own dies a death.You just buy the other one...PEACE!

10012.12.2007 14:04

Originally posted by ChromeMud:
I'm neutral in this whole HD format argument as I'm going to own both.HD-DVD are selling players and movies and their numbers can't be disputed because they are for films only.
The Blu-Ray numbers are completely flawed by the PS3 because people have bought it just for games.So an approximate percentage ratio of PS3 owners that buy Blu-Ray films has to be guessed at.This ratio is indeed very low.
I'll just say that although the PS3 is a games console and many people rightfuly don't class that as a Blu-Ray player when doing the HD format numbers ,it doesn't mean things will stay that way.
There is a definite argument for potential growth of Blu-Ray film sales when people decide to upgrade their TV's and begin to buy Blu-Ray films for their PS3's.Then the ratio of Ps3 owners that buy Blu-Ray films increases and this could have a dramatic effect on sales when combined with the actual standalone Blu-Ray players out there..
My brother bought a PS3 for games and rents/buys Blu-Ray films because he has a HD TV.I'll just be buying/renting Blu-Ray films for my PS3 as I've just recently bought a HD TV.HD-DVD and Sky HD are also on the list,I guess I'm an enthusiast right now.
Anyway this HD format argument will go on and on but it's about time everyone should just get along and chill out.It's not the end of the world if a format you own dies a death.You just buy the other one...PEACE!
WTF....I don't understand your logic here you say that HD-DVD number can't be disputed but the PS3 can.The last time i checked there is a different between a BD movie & a BD game.I wish people face the facts Blu-Ray is out selling HD-DVD as of now...could that change yes but now no.


Originally posted by hughjars:
CES is going to be very very good for HD DVD, mark my words.
It's only a month away & this thread will still be easily found.
We'll talk about this later, I'm sure.
I'll look forward to it.
How can you say its going to be good with no sales numbers to back that up.The most any HD-DVD owner can hope for is that Warner stay format neutral.If Warner comes Newline is coming also same company plus Newline has a issue with HD-DVD not having region coding thats why we don't see any Newline HD-DVD titles now or any dates down the road.CES08 is looking like its going to paint a clear picture if HD-DVD going to be in this format war for years to come.Let not forget The Weinstein Company(dimension films)with titles like the Mist & 1408 not being on HD-DVD,HD-DVD hasn't seen a HD title coming form them since last summer & hasn't gave any release dates & has said that there exclsive deal with HD-DVD would be address during CES08.CES is setup to be a the end of HD-DVD if all these things come to light like BDA has brought up.You just hope it don't.
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10112.12.2007 14:38

@ NexGen76

I don't think you see my point at all.
The HD-DVD numbers don't have to take console numbers into it's consideration whereas Blu-Ray does.So it's difficult to predict growth for Blu-Ray film sales.The HD film market right now is minute so any early leads for either format are insignificant.
What I'm clearly saying is with the number of PS3's out there the potential for Blu-Ray growth is a valid one.
I don't see Blu-Ray pulling any major leads for a while yet though if at all.One can hope for an even 50/50 split for both formats and maybe all the film studios releasing on both formats in a joint decision.It would be a good compromise seeing as they couldn't agree to make one HD format in the beginning.It's never too late to right something that was wrong in the first place.

10212.12.2007 16:09

Originally posted by ChromeMud:
@ NexGen76

I don't think you see my point at all.
The HD-DVD numbers don't have to take console numbers into it's consideration whereas Blu-Ray does.So it's difficult to predict growth for Blu-Ray film sales.The HD film market right now is minute so any early leads for either format are insignificant.
What I'm clearly saying is with the number of PS3's out there the potential for Blu-Ray growth is a valid one.
I don't see Blu-Ray pulling any major leads for a while yet though if at all.One can hope for an even 50/50 split for both formats and maybe all the film studios releasing on both formats in a joint decision.It would be a good compromise seeing as they couldn't agree to make one HD format in the beginning.It's never too late to right something that was wrong in the first place.
I understand what you trying to say but CE don't look at it that way.They look for software sells & how many x numbers HD equipment people have in there household.They could careless if PS3 was a gaming console also but its more than that it a multi-media console & its one of the top 3 BD player on the market.Toshiba is the only one trying to say its not a player & this attachment rate BS.They are focus more on trying to down play BDA achievements than getting there numbers better than Blu-Ray.

10312.12.2007 16:18
whytelyou
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Quote:
Originally posted by ChromeMud:
@ NexGen76

I don't think you see my point at all.
The HD-DVD numbers don't have to take console numbers into it's consideration whereas Blu-Ray does.So it's difficult to predict growth for Blu-Ray film sales.The HD film market right now is minute so any early leads for either format are insignificant.
What I'm clearly saying is with the number of PS3's out there the potential for Blu-Ray growth is a valid one.
I don't see Blu-Ray pulling any major leads for a while yet though if at all.One can hope for an even 50/50 split for both formats and maybe all the film studios releasing on both formats in a joint decision.It would be a good compromise seeing as they couldn't agree to make one HD format in the beginning.It's never too late to right something that was wrong in the first place.
I understand what you trying to say but CE don't look at it that way.They look for software sells & how many x numbers HD equipment people have in there household.They could careless if PS3 was a gaming console also but its more than that it a multi-media console & its one of the top 3 BD player on the market.Toshiba is the only one trying to say its not a player & this attachment rate BS.They are focus more on trying to down play BDA achievements than getting there numbers better than Blu-Ray.
You mean Ps3 is THE #1 Blu-ray player.

10412.12.2007 16:22

Originally posted by whytelyou:
Quote:
Originally posted by ChromeMud:
@ NexGen76

I don't think you see my point at all.
The HD-DVD numbers don't have to take console numbers into it's consideration whereas Blu-Ray does.So it's difficult to predict growth for Blu-Ray film sales.The HD film market right now is minute so any early leads for either format are insignificant.
What I'm clearly saying is with the number of PS3's out there the potential for Blu-Ray growth is a valid one.
I don't see Blu-Ray pulling any major leads for a while yet though if at all.One can hope for an even 50/50 split for both formats and maybe all the film studios releasing on both formats in a joint decision.It would be a good compromise seeing as they couldn't agree to make one HD format in the beginning.It's never too late to right something that was wrong in the first place.
I understand what you trying to say but CE don't look at it that way.They look for software sells & how many x numbers HD equipment people have in there household.They could careless if PS3 was a gaming console also but its more than that it a multi-media console & its one of the top 3 BD player on the market.Toshiba is the only one trying to say its not a player & this attachment rate BS.They are focus more on trying to down play BDA achievements than getting there numbers better than Blu-Ray.
You mean Ps3 is THE #1 Blu-ray player.
Its was last summer but now there are like 3 or 4 players i think is better far as Blu-Ray goes but for the price & value you can't beat it.
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10512.12.2007 17:14
hughjars
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Originally posted by nextgen76:
How can you say its going to be good with no sales numbers to back that up.
- I don't need to go through any of this again.

You're beyond ever understanding any of this, quite obviously.

Just be sure to be around after CES 2008.

I am going to be enjoying myself.

Count on it.

10612.12.2007 17:23

Quote:
Originally posted by nextgen76:
How can you say its going to be good with no sales numbers to back that up.
- I don't need to go through any of this again.

You're beyond ever understanding any of this, quite obviously.

Just be sure to be around after CES 2008.

I am going to be enjoying myself.

Count on it.

Just get your Row boat ready because your going to be backpedaling like you always do.I hope you not waiting on a exclsive deal from any studio. When you finish 2nd you don't get those kind of deals.I will be here that whole week to answer any question you have about what happen to HD-DVD losing exclsive deals.
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10712.12.2007 18:32
hughjars
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Originally posted by nextgen76:
Just get your Row boat ready because your going to be backpedaling like you always do.
- Pathetic.

Go on then, if I "always" end up "backpeddling" then you'll be able to provide some examples.

Let's here just how much substance you can bring to this.

You know you're throwing rather childish rhetoric around, as per.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
I hope you not waiting on a exclsive deal from any studio.
- I've said what I've said.

HD DVD is going to have a very good CES.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
When you finish 2nd you don't get those kind of deals.
- This is just more of your empty & ludicrous attempts to give weight & meaning to the current meaningless numbers.

Fail. Again.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
I will be here that whole week to answer any question you have about what happen to HD-DVD losing exclsive deals.
- Not a chance. Not one.

But I will be here having fun when the full story comes out.

HD DVD will have a very good CES 2008.

Count on it.

10812.12.2007 18:37

hughjars
I dunno inflated or not all BR has to have in a highly advertised high sales ratio to HDVD campaign if they can pounce and claim a few more studios they win.

10912.12.2007 19:38

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
hughjars
I dunno inflated or not all BR has to have in a highly advertised high sales ratio to HDVD campaign if they can pounce and claim a few more studios they win.
Can you say that again Zippy because for some reason he can't figure this out.Maybe you can tell him.


Originally posted by hughjars:
- Pathetic.

Go on then, if I "always" end up "backpeddling" then you'll be able to provide some examples.

Let's here just how much substance you can bring to this.

You know you're throwing rather childish rhetoric around, as per.
We can start with this tread if you like scroll back though this tread & see.


Originally posted by hughjars:
Ha ha.

Warner have now started to postpone indefinitely/can big Blu-ray releases.

Cos that's just what a movie studio would do when it's about to go Blu-ray exclusive, right Blu-ray fanboys?

Meanwhile I'm loving my HD DVD Led Zeppelin.

Too bad Blu-ray Led Zep fans, you shouldn't have trusted in a game console format.
Best go HD DVD and hurry up & enjoy (it is excellent btw).

Oooooh, I guess I'm supposed to be scared about this news too, eh?
Originally posted by juankerr:
Read the posts again hughjars.

They were pulled on all formats: HD DVD, BluRay and SD DVD.

Not just BluRay like you claimed - all formats were pulled. There's nothing there to spin ON EITHER SIDE.

Even the HD DVD fans on avsforums were disappointed at the news.

here is you backpedaling as always after 4 people told you that you was wrong as always.

Originally posted by hughjars:
- Read what I said about what the Blu-ray fanclub have been trying to say juankerr.
No Mr.Jars your the one thats spreading the fud not the BD fan club.As seen from you post that you rant & raved on & didn't know what you was talking about.....I rest my case with you.

11012.12.2007 21:20
hughjars
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
all BR has to have in a highly advertised high sales ratio to HDVD campaign if they can pounce and claim a few more studios they win.
- Naaa, it doesn't work like that Zippy.

The movie studios are watching everything and the most important point of all in this is this one -

Quote:
4 million Blu-Ray discs have been sold in 2007 compared to 2.7 million on HD-DVD.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/12/blu...es-pitiful.html

- That's a 'lead' in 2007 alone of 2:1.35.
This despite (depending on what PS3 sold number you use) over 10 million Blu-ray players to approx 1 million HD DVD players.

There is no big Blu-ray lead to publicise and the fanboy BS cuts no ice with the serious financial guys.

The movie studios also know what is on the horizon.
This is where HD DVD has them cold.

It'll be nice and consumer friendly with high quality upscaling DVD players for $100 very soon and that also happen to play the HD DVD part of the discs they'll be buying anyway.

The demarcation lines are going to go very soon
(and for those wanting to remark on HD DVD prices they just clipped them by $2 IIRC, more will undoubtedly follow).

Come back to me after CES on this Zippy, you'll see.

1) There will not be a single major studio loss on the HD DVD side of the fence.

2) HD DVD is going to have a very good CES 2008.

Originally posted by nextgen76:
here is you backpedaling as always after 4 people told you that you was wrong as always
- There was no back-peddling there.

That whole 'Warner about to go Blu-ray exclusive' BS stems from a couple of visits to Warner by a senior Sony exec.

It's perfectly obvious he/they 'T'd' up their fellow Blu-ray supporting Lionsgate chum (a Vice Chairman no less, not the PR VP - which really shows how desperate they are) to spread the rumour (cos it all stems from him, there was no rumour going around beforehand, every single report of it either quotes him directly or is based on his little tale btw).

Warner have indefinitely postponed/canned the Bluray release of the Led Zep disc.

(it also just so happens that the same applies to the HD DVD release)

But the HD DVD side are not the ones spreading BS about Warner being about to go Blu-ray exclusive at any moment
(or the latest little twist on that BS, at CES).

Note that Warner have come out and categorically denied they will be going Blu-ray exclusive.

Sorry nextgen, you fail yet again.

But I am looking forward to having some fun with you and your pals after CES.
It's going to be really amusing seeing it spelt out unmistakeably loud and very clearly just how wrong you & your viral marketeering chums have been on this.

11213.12.2007 0:48

Hey Porky! That's a beautiful jacket you're wearing. What's the occasion?




"ah bu bu. ah bu bu. ah bu bu. ah bu bu. ah blu-ray!"

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11313.12.2007 0:53

Attention HD-DVD Fans! Please Read Below.




Courtesy of Warner Bros.

11413.12.2007 0:57

can you say "fanboy"

11513.12.2007 1:02

Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
can you say "fanboy"
Can you say, "bye bye".
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11613.12.2007 1:09

The fomat war is officially Over. We'd like to thank everyone for coming. You can throw your HDDVD's in the bin by the door. Drive safely, and have a nice day.

11713.12.2007 3:02
whytelyou
Inactive

Originally posted by gleone:
The fomat war is officially Over. We'd like to thank everyone for coming. You can throw your HDDVD's in the bin by the door. Drive safely, and have a nice day.


Have fun with the Blu-ray movies that you own then... LOL

11813.12.2007 3:18
whytelyou
Inactive

I thought the topic was about this?????? http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?p=677

11913.12.2007 3:18
whytelyou
Inactive

Double post! but gleone is drunk....

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12013.12.2007 7:17
hughjars
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For a "dead" format it's certainly got the Blu-ray fanclub all in a lather.

BTW here's what Warner themselves have said on the matter.

So, in answer to the original topic the answer is a clear "no".

The delusional can (and no doubt will) just carry on kidding themselves
(I see some Blu-ray exec is now - without the slightest shred of evidence - claiming Paramount is going to be going back to Blu-ray at some point.
.....but they never start or just spread rumours, do they?

LMAO)

Quote:
Warner Home Video Denies Exclusive Blu-Ray Support Strategy Shift.
Warner Plans to Continue Blu-Ray and HD DVD Suport

12/12/2007 06:33 AM


Warner Home Video said it has no intention to support Blu-ray exclusively and cease to release movies on HD DVD format.

The comment comes as a denial to rumours spread by the members of Blu-ray camp which says that Warner would shortly proclaim exclusive support for Blu-ray disc.


“We have made no decision to change our present policy which is to produce in both HD DVD and Blu-ray,” said Jim Noonan, Warner Bros. senior vice president and general manager, reports Format War Central web-site.

Late last week an executive from Lionsgate studio said that, based on a rumour, Warner Home Video plans to switch to Blu-ray and abandon HD DVD format. Potentially, such move can provide Blu-ray approximately 70% of new releases, which is likely to force other backers of HD DVD to axe support of the format. But Warner Brothers, which is currently the only major studio to support both Blu-ray and HD DVD, was fast enough to deny possible switch to a single high-definition format.

“Our position hasn’t changed and certainly any comments that were published in the U.S. were not intended to suggest that we had changed our stance. We support both formats and we have not made any decision towards that policy and nor are any such announcements planned or in the pipeline. In terms of the short-term scenarios around the Q4 sales results, Warner Brothers are always reviewing our strategies and we can’t say what might happen in five or ten years, but for now, there’s been no decision made to change course,” said Warner Brothers Home Video Australia and New Zealand managing director Roger Clarke, reports Current.com.au web-site.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/...tegy_Shift.html

- Will Afterdawn report their catagorical denial?
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12113.12.2007 9:50

I think the term "Blu-Ray Fan Boy" should be changed to "Blu-Ray Celebratory Boy" because Blu-Ray wins.

It's crazy that HD-DVD Fan Boys still believe they have a leg to stand on. It's like HD-DVD is a new dopey religion.

"Oh just wait until the future, you'll see! We'll break the 40% of HD titles sold! You'll see! Mark my words! HD-DVD will win!

Keep dreaming.

Thanks,
Michael

12213.12.2007 10:37
hughjars
Inactive

You've obviously missed out on what the head Blu-ray BS'er Stringer had to say -

Quote:
11/12/2007:

Stringer acknowledged it was still unclear which next-generation video disc format will emerge the winner, although he said Blu-ray disc, the standard that Sony backs, appeared to be ahead of the competing HD DVD format, backed by Toshiba Corp. and others.

"We have momentum," he said. "But that's all we have at the moment."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gQlP3...aW2U4gD8TF9G100


.....and what momentum would that be, exactly?

Sony being No.1 selling game console in Japan, for 1 month?

Wow, talk about laughably reducing your sights.

The 'momentum' is with HD DVD, the Nielson numbers are starting to close and they are the ones breaking into the mainstream, not Blu-ray.

Blu-ray just relies on ill-founded (and now catagorically denied) rumour, BS and a game console
(and I guess a dead Samsung model too now).

LMAO
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12313.12.2007 12:49

Quote:
You've obviously missed out on what the head Blu-ray BS'er Stringer had to say -

Quote:
11/12/2007:

Stringer acknowledged it was still unclear which next-generation video disc format will emerge the winner, although he said Blu-ray disc, the standard that Sony backs, appeared to be ahead of the competing HD DVD format, backed by Toshiba Corp. and others.

"We have momentum," he said. "But that's all we have at the moment."
Did you see what Stringer said RECENTLY??? The quote you printed is a month old. Not only that but he said he was misquoted. More HD-DVD Propaganda. You guys are nuts!

"All the PS3 are breaking! HD-DVD sells more! XBox Rules!" LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL SICK! LMAO!!!

12413.12.2007 13:16
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by gleone:


Lol that one is actually funny :P

12513.12.2007 17:24

Originally posted by hughjars:
The 'momentum' is with HD DVD, the Nielson numbers are starting to close and they are the ones breaking into the mainstream, not Blu-ray.
Dude cmon you clearly can't read charts or you just refuse that HD-DVD isn't doing anything right now to break into Blu-Ray share of the HD market.With Black Friday behind us Blu-Ray still crushed HD-DVD but if you called closing in(BD58% HD42%) on one week out of the whole year so be it.

f.y.i
Report: 'Pirates' Blu-ray Sales Top 160k Units

First week sales for the Blu-ray edition of 'Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End' are shaping up to be a record-breaker for the Blu-ray format.

That's according to an article at Video Business, which quotes unnamed sources as saying that the trilogy-capper moved an estimated 160,000 Blu-ray units its first week out.
ADVERTISEMENT

Although Disney has yet to confirm the numbers, such strong BD sales for the title would handily beat the format's previous first-week sales champ -- Sony's 'Spider-Man 3,' which reportedly sold 130,00 copies in its first six days.

Coming in second on Blu-ray for the week (according to Nielsen VideoScan First Alert DVD sales chart) was Sony's release of 'Superbad,' while the top-selling HD DVD of the week was the ever popular 'Planet Earth' box set.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/D...160k_Units/1260

Even more reason to see that Warner exclsive deal coming next month.So much for attachment rates BS.

Spiderman 3 & POTC 3 both out sold Transformers the first week.
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12613.12.2007 20:54
hughjars
Inactive

Pirates had peak week sales of 160k.

LMAO.

You really can't get your head around it can you?

That's not even a high def record (despite the movie being perfectly aimed at that so-called 'PS3 demographic').

....and your typical juvenile drivel about "crushing"?
As laughably & ludicrously over-dramatic as always.

Try reading this again (take your time over the long words or ask an adult for help if you're still incapable of grasping the meaning) -

Quote:
4 million Blu-Ray discs have been sold in 2007 compared to 2.7 million on HD-DVD.
- That's from the BDA & it's only 2 : 1.35, by the way.

Quote:
the announcement from the Blu-Ray Disc Association (the BDA), that 4 million Blu-Ray discs have been sold in 2007 compared to 2.7 million on HD-DVD. This Blu-Ray release was released in response to one from the HD-DVD camp concerning the uptick in sales of HD-DVD players and that there have been 750,000 HD-DVD players sold in the US to date, including the X-Box 360 add on.....

.....it means that all of the BD discs sold in 2007 don’t even total the sales figures for one major DVD
http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/12/blu...es-pitiful.html

- Despite 10 million+ Blu-ray players v 1 million HD DVD.

So your (and the rest of the Blu-ray fanclubs) attempts to create mountains out of the present molehill are just symptoms of your own inability to grasp what has real substance and meaning and what does not.

All of which is nicely summed up by the sort of invented BS which this thread was all about.

A rumour which has been flatly denied by the very people the rumour is supposed to be about.
Not the usual evasive non-denial but a flat and categorical denial.

Warner are not ditching HD DVD.

No matter how many times you wish it so.

I'd be more concerned about what's really going to be happening next month and in the coming months of 2008.
I can tell you for a fact that those backing HD DVD will be the ones smiling the biggest smiles.
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12713.12.2007 21:23
vinny13
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Originally posted by hughjars:


I'd be more concerned about what's really going to be happening next month and in the coming months of 2008.
I can tell you for a fact that those backing HD DVD will be the ones smiling the biggest smiles.
Why would they have "big smiles" if Blu-Ray is doing better? It doesn't matter what the precise difference is, because you've even proven that they are doing better. If you say that there are 10 million Blu-Ray players, then 4 million or so are stand-alones and the rest are PS3s, and out of those PS3s I'd say that no more then 1/3 of them have 3< movies, or at least more movies then games. That basically means 5-6 million stand-alones. That doesn't mean that they aren't selling as much as they could, but they're doing the job.

I don't know... Just my 2 cents.

12813.12.2007 22:09

Just to end the chapter on the Led Zeppelin affair:

I did get my BluRay copy of LZ: Song Remains the Same from DVD Empire today. According to highdefdigest.com:

Quote:
This story just keeps getting stranger and stranger. Though the official word Warner was that this release has been postponed (and indeed it has been pulled down by several major retailers, including Amazon and DVD Empire), other retailers report receiving stock from their distributors and some lucky consumers have already got their hands on the discs. We've contacted Warner for clarification and will update this post with more details as they come in.
For those who need proof:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg161/error5_2007/DSC01951.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg161/error5_2007/DSC01952.jpg

It may be difficult read but note "Not authorized for sale or rental outside the USA or Canada" in this picture:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg161/error5_2007/DSC01953.jpg
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12913.12.2007 22:39

Originally posted by error5:
Just to end the chapter on the Led Zeppelin affair:

I did get my BluRay copy of LZ: Song Remains the Same from DVD Empire today. According to highdefdigest.com:

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This story just keeps getting stranger and stranger. Though the official word Warner was that this release has been postponed (and indeed it has been pulled down by several major retailers, including Amazon and DVD Empire), other retailers report receiving stock from their distributors and some lucky consumers have already got their hands on the discs. We've contacted Warner for clarification and will update this post with more details as they come in.
For those who need proof:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg161/error5_2007/DSC01951.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg161/error5_2007/DSC01952.jpg

It may be difficult read but note "Not authorized for sale or rental outside the USA or Canada" in this picture:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg161...953.jpg


Meh can't blame the format on studio regional back biting, price and quality is what most are after and HDVD for now still has both.

At the end of the day it wont matter which wins both are studio driven both have region protection or getting it, both have flawed DRM,both offer mroe or less enough space, its time to halve prices and end the war..

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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13013.12.2007 22:41

Originally posted by error5:
I did get my BluRay copy of LZ: Song Remains the Same from DVD Empire today.
Amazing. You're one of the lucky few error5. I'd hang on to that disc. Depending on what happens it could end up a collector's item.

13214.12.2007 8:03
dblbogey7
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Amazing. You're one of the lucky few error5. I'd hang on to that disc. Depending on what happens it could end up a collector's item.
LOL! Collector's item is right. Good job gettting that one error5. I tried DVD Empire Wednesday the 12th but no luck.

13314.12.2007 11:14
hughjars
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Originally posted by vinny13:
Why would they have "big smiles"
- We'll come back to this when the news breaks, I'm sure.

I'll be beaming, of that I am 100% sure too. :P

Originally posted by vinny13:
if Blu-Ray is doing better?
- No-one really cares (besides the desperate Blu-ray side) about those supposedly 'better' numbers right now.
They are nothing like 'better' enough.
That is the bit people are focusing on.

Originally posted by vinny13:
It doesn't matter what the precise difference is
- Yeah, well, you & the rest of the gang can continue to comfort yourselves with that if you like.
The fact is you are wrong, it matters very much as we will all be seeing very shortly.

Originally posted by vinny13:
That basically means 5-6 million stand-alones.
- ROFLMAO.

Sure there are (according to you).

Even the BDA doesn't have the brass-neck to try and make that kind of claim.

There's a month to go.
We'll talk about all of this then.

We'll see who was right and who was wrong soon enough.

.....and after Jan you'll have the whole of 2008 to watch the unfolding developments.

Personally I'm grinning my a$$ off already.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
both have region protection or getting it
- No.

That's not true Zippy.

Only Blu-ray uses regional coding for high def and standard def.

It's true that both have SD DVD regional coding but few care about that
(and that's down to the DVD Forum which controls SD DVD matters, to be fair it's nothing to do with either high def format - although some kind of hack is long overdue seeing as they are hardly much of a problem in the SD DVD these days).

HD DVD could use a system of regional coding but have not given any indication of wanting to implement it (and with over 430 HD DVD movies out now why would they bother?).

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
both have flawed DRM
- The HD DVD DRM (AACS) has been cracked.

BD+ has not.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
both offer mroe or less enough space
- I agree.
Each offer more than what is genuinely 'needed' now (as the current majority of Blu-ray movies on their 25gb single layer discs proves).

In fact Blu-ray claims to offer 50gb but actually can't economically go beyond 47gb.
HD DVD now offers 51gb.

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
its time to halve prices and end the war..
- That's coming very soon Zippy.

The $100 HD DVD player (as a regular price) is just a few months away.

Disc prices are also on the way down.

Prepare for CES.
It's going to be a good one for HD DVD. ;)
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13414.12.2007 14:16

error5: Someone from Canada is selling their BluRay copy of LZ: Song Remains the Same on eBay for $60.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Led-Zeppelin-Song-Re...1QQcmdZViewItem

13514.12.2007 16:02
vinny13
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Originally posted by hughjars:

Originally posted by vinny13:
That basically means 5-6 million stand-alones.
- ROFLMAO.

Sure there are (according to you).

Even the BDA doesn't have the brass-neck to try and make that kind of claim.

There's a month to go.
We'll talk about all of this then.

We'll see who was right and who was wrong soon enough.

.....and after Jan you'll have the whole of 2008 to watch the unfolding developments.

Personally I'm grinning my a$$ off already.


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Despite 10 million+ Blu-ray players v 1 million HD DVD.
Yep... Totally my words...

13615.12.2007 10:47
hughjars
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You know the really funny thing - and the part that illustrates the staggering hypocrisy of the Blu-ray/PS3 fanclub best of all - in all of this is this -

if HD DVD was selling as poorly and trailing as badly as PS3 is in it's game console market, then by the kind of 'logic' that the Blu-ray/PS3 supporters all use to slam HD DVD, PS3 ought to be "dead", "dying" or should just call it a day.

Not that any of them have the wit to see it.

13715.12.2007 13:45

Fanboys... Your all fanboys of a different format, who gives a sh*t.
I own a PS3, therefore i,ll be buying BD, i also own an XBOX360 but i wont be shelling out money for its HDDVD add on any time soon.
If hardy comes to hardy... i can enjoy both worlds.
Dont sit there and spew out crap like BD or PS3 fanboys or vice versa, take alook in the mirror, chill out, and go to the pub.


13815.12.2007 14:13

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chill out, and go to the pub.

but i don't drink lol




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13915.12.2007 15:52

Have a smoothie! lol ;P


14015.12.2007 17:20
vinny13
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Originally posted by Sudds:
Fanboys... Your all fanboys of a different format, who gives a sh*t.
I own a PS3, therefore i,ll be buying BD, i also own an XBOX360 but i wont be shelling out money for its HDDVD add on any time soon.
If hardy comes to hardy... i can enjoy both worlds.
Dont sit there and spew out crap like BD or PS3 fanboys or vice versa, take alook in the mirror, chill out, and go to the pub.
I'm only 14!

14115.12.2007 20:03

The fomat war is officially Over. We'd like to thank everyone for coming. You can throw your HDDVD's in the bin by the door. Drive safely, and have a nice day.



Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

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Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending December 9th

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...1607/index.php

WE: BD-76% HDD-24% YTD: BD-65% HDD-35% SI: BD-62% HDD-38%

14215.12.2007 21:35

Originally posted by hughjars:

if HD DVD was selling as poorly and trailing as badly as PS3 is in it's game console market, then by the kind of 'logic' that the Blu-ray/PS3 supporters all use to slam HD DVD, PS3 ought to be "dead", "dying" or should just call it a day.

Not that any of them have the wit to see it.
Have the wit to see an apple to oranges comparison? One that is an 'if' scenario? Come on.

14316.12.2007 8:21

The industry is to blame for this dumb war so they should fix this fu##ed up mess.All movies to be released on both formats to let the consumer buy the movies they want.No exclusives, and no more pissing off the public with lies!

14416.12.2007 10:58
hughjars
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Ooops, my bad, theyre not claiming 10 million PS3s it's 11 million now.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12179.cfm

So that's 11 million PS3s a few stand-alones and a relative few PC burners v approx 1 million HD DVD players (inc XBox 360 HD DVD add-on) has worked out to a 'lead' in 2007, according to the BDA, of 4 million Blu-ray discs sold to 2.7 million HD DVD -

11 millionplayers + v 1 million players = a movie disc sales ratio of a mere 2 : 1.35 in 2007 .

and the Blu-ray fanclub can't see why that is a problem for Blu-ray and the root reason why so many people are now not betting on Blu-ray in this (except for themselves).

Even those that previous said they expected a Blu-ray win are now backing away from that view, claiming a stalemate (for now) http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12085.cfm , I can only wonder how much further they will retreat from their original view after CES 2008 & the first 6mths of 2008.

14516.12.2007 11:54

Originally posted by hughjars:
Ooops, my bad, theyre not claiming 10 million PS3s it's 11 million now.

So that's 11 million PS3s a few stand-alones and a relative few PC burners v approx 1 million HD DVD players (inc XBox 360 HD DVD add-on) has worked out to a 'lead' in 2007, according to the BDA, of 4 million Blu-ray discs sold to 2.7 million HD DVD -

11 millionplayers + v 1 million players = a movie disc sales ratio of a mere 2 : 1.35 in 2007 .

and the Blu-ray fanclub can't see why that is a problem for Blu-ray and the root reason why so many people are now not betting on Blu-ray in this (except for themselves).
Hughjar, is this more HDDVD propaganda that you're writing?

12 million BD players is a WORLD WIDE number. Yet you're only quoting a 2:1 ratio which is N.America only. (It's not even 2:1. it's 3:1)

The numbers for HDDVD are completely different in all other countries, other than the USA. In Europe & Australia it's over 9:1

Japan BD 94% - HDD 6%
Australia BD 98% - HDD 2%
UK BD 89% - HDD 11%
Germany BD 92% - HDD 8%
USA BD 76% - HDD 24%

14616.12.2007 12:29
vinny13
Inactive

Originally posted by hughjars:
Ooops, my bad, theyre not claiming 10 million PS3s it's 11 million now.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12179.cfm

So that's 11 million PS3s a few stand-alones and a relative few PC burners v approx 1 million HD DVD players (inc XBox 360 HD DVD add-on) has worked out to a 'lead' in 2007, according to the BDA, of 4 million Blu-ray discs sold to 2.7 million HD DVD -

11 millionplayers + v 1 million players = a movie disc sales ratio of a mere 2 : 1.35 in 2007 .

and the Blu-ray fanclub can't see why that is a problem for Blu-ray and the root reason why so many people are now not betting on Blu-ray in this (except for themselves).

Even those that previous said they expected a Blu-ray win are now backing away from that view, claiming a stalemate (for now) http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12085.cfm , I can only wonder how much further they will retreat from their original view after CES 2008 & the first 6mths of 2008.
Try 5-6 million PS3s. Why don't you actually read that article before you post links and make comments.

14716.12.2007 14:10

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Originally posted by hughjars:
Ooops, my bad, theyre not claiming 10 million PS3s it's 11 million now.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12179.cfm

So that's 11 million PS3s a few stand-alones and a relative few PC burners v approx 1 million HD DVD players (inc XBox 360 HD DVD add-on) has worked out to a 'lead' in 2007, according to the BDA, of 4 million Blu-ray discs sold to 2.7 million HD DVD -

11 millionplayers + v 1 million players = a movie disc sales ratio of a mere 2 : 1.35 in 2007 .

and the Blu-ray fanclub can't see why that is a problem for Blu-ray and the root reason why so many people are now not betting on Blu-ray in this (except for themselves).

Even those that previous said they expected a Blu-ray win are now backing away from that view, claiming a stalemate (for now) http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12085.cfm , I can only wonder how much further they will retreat from their original view after CES 2008 & the first 6mths of 2008.
Try 5-6 million PS3s. Why don't you actually read that article before you post links and make comments.
Not quite 2ish M units were sold this holiday season(since oct I believe) so far thats part of the 2+ M BR is touting in its current total unit sales, BR is touting that each PS3 sold is equal to a standalone player begin sold and that is simply not the case when only half or less are treated as a stand alone player.

The reason why its imporant to know the dffrance is because of movie sales.

14816.12.2007 16:03

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You've obviously missed out on what the head Blu-ray BS'er Stringer had to say.
Stringer acknowledged it was still unclear which next-generation video disc format will emerge the winner, although he said Blu-ray disc, the standard that Sony backs, appeared to be ahead of the competing HD DVD format, backed by Toshiba Corp. and others.

"We have momentum," he said. "But that's all we have at the moment."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gQlP3...aW2U4gD8TF9G100


.....and what momentum would that be, exactly?

Sony being No.1 selling game console in Japan, for 1 month?

Wow, talk about laughably reducing your sights.

The 'momentum' is with HD DVD, the Nielson numbers are starting to close and they are the ones breaking into the mainstream, not Blu-ray.

Blu-ray just relies on ill-founded (and now catagorically denied) rumour, BS and a game console
(and I guess a dead Samsung model too now).

LMAO
WHO GIVES A FUCK!
GET A LIFE, ya sad people.
Theres more important things in this world to fuckin worry about, than some stupid "ooo HD-DVD is better" or vice versa.

14916.12.2007 17:17
vinny13
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WHO GIVES A FUCK!
GET A LIFE, ya sad people.
Theres more important things in this world to fuckin worry about, than some stupid "ooo HD-DVD is better" or vice versa.
Um...

Well, someone had to say it sooner or later...

15023.12.2007 19:35

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If Warner were to back Blu-ray solely, then the Blu-ray camp would control about 70% of the market.
Looks like we found out who the big fish is and if Warner chooses i think then we would have a winner in the format war.

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