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Gene Simmons blames NIN, Radiohead and fans, for 'death' of music industry

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 25 Jun 2008 15:54 User comments (113)

Gene Simmons blames NIN, Radiohead and fans, for 'death' of music industry Last November we reported that Gene Simmons, founding member of the rock group KISS, had gone off on Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and college aged pirates, going as far as to call Radiohead "idiots" and saying "Every little college kid ... should have been sued off the face of the earth," for their unauthorized downloading of course.
He has followed his last tirade with some new comments, this time again blaming NIN and Radiohead but more importantly, the music fans. "The record industry is dead," Simmons notes "It's six feet underground and unfortunately the fans have done this. They've decided to download and file share." He then insisted that the aforementioned bands were "contributing to the demise of the record industry" by using new intelligent sales models that apparently he does not approve of.

When asked why KISS had not released a new CD since 1998's 'Psycho Circus', Simmons added that "there is no record industry around so we're going to wait until everybody settles down and becomes civilized. As soon as the record industry pops its head up we'll record new material."

Of course, he neglects to note that at every turn the "dead" music industry continues to push consumers away, using the RIAA watch dog to sue children, grandmothers, and even deceased members of society while failing to confront the real problems the industry faces.

It is also important to note that Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails' "idiotic" experiments have raked in millions of dollars for the bands, with little overhead and more importantly, no revenue sharing with the labels. They gave the fans what they wanted, and the fans responded. What a crazy model no?

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125.6.2008 16:00

LoL. I thought it was all about playing music not the money.

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225.6.2008 16:02

Gene Simmons, How much did they pay you...

325.6.2008 16:06
goodswipe
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This guy is a dumb ass. Any of you watch Celebrity Apprentice? If so, you know what I'm talking about.

425.6.2008 16:10

Originally posted by goodswipe:
This guy is a dumb ass. Any of you watch Celebrity Apprentice? If so, you know what I'm talking about.
No goodswipe, Its Gene Simmons

525.6.2008 16:11
Saber9
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Even though CD sales are down 11% this year compared to last year, he didn't notice LIl' Wayne selling 1 million copies in it's first week?

625.6.2008 16:17
goodswipe
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by goodswipe:
This guy is a dumb ass. Any of you watch Celebrity Apprentice? If so, you know what I'm talking about.
No goodswipe, Its Gene Simmons
Yea, Gene Simmons = dumb ass. I mean, who marries a beat up skin-a-max actor?
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725.6.2008 16:20
tripplite
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Quote:
""Every little college kid ... should have been sued off the face of the earth," for their unauthorized downloading of course.

eat me.....


-tripplite

825.6.2008 16:22
goodswipe
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Also, this is coming from a guy that had major plastic surgery - IDIOT!




925.6.2008 16:26

Music shouldn't be an industry in the first place, its an art.

1025.6.2008 16:41

Quote:
Music shouldn't be an industry in the first place, its an art.
right on!

1125.6.2008 16:49
Icanbe
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He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.




20 Years ago I saw you yesterday, Youre looking at the picture now.
We Are, What We Are - Sepultura
Say what you want, Time will always tell the truth.

1225.6.2008 16:51
goodswipe
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Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
Naw, just wait for his next plastic surgery to go wrong. ;)

1325.6.2008 17:01
Icanbe
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Originally posted by goodswipe:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
Naw, just wait for his next plastic surgery to go wrong. ;)
Good idea, proabaly cheaper just to pay the surgeon to make a little error anyway.



20 Years ago I saw you yesterday, Youre looking at the picture now.
We Are, What We Are - Sepultura
Say what you want, Time will always tell the truth.

1425.6.2008 17:05

Quote:
Originally posted by goodswipe:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
Naw, just wait for his next plastic surgery to go wrong. ;)
Good idea, proabaly cheaper just to pay the surgeon to make a little error anyway.
Put a NIN logo on his big ass forehead; once he figured out that he could he'd probably sell it for ad space anyway the greedy bastard.

1525.6.2008 17:09

Tripplite stole my poster

1625.6.2008 17:14
goodswipe
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Originally posted by canuckerz:
Quote:
Originally posted by goodswipe:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
Naw, just wait for his next plastic surgery to go wrong. ;)
Good idea, proabaly cheaper just to pay the surgeon to make a little error anyway.
Put a NIN logo on his big ass forehead; once he figured out that he could he'd probably sell it for ad space anyway the greedy bastard.
Yea, kinda like the Golden Palace deal.



1725.6.2008 17:25
Icanbe
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Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by goodswipe:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
Naw, just wait for his next plastic surgery to go wrong. ;)
Good idea, proabaly cheaper just to pay the surgeon to make a little error anyway.
Put a NIN logo on his big ass forehead; once he figured out that he could he'd probably sell it for ad space anyway the greedy bastard.

LMAO!!!!!
I would shake your hand if I could, perfect my friend, just perfect.
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1825.6.2008 17:25

OK guys, and back on topic...

1925.6.2008 17:40

Originally posted by DVDBack23:
It is also important to note that Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails' "idiotic" experiments have raked in millions of dollars for the bands, with little overhead and more importantly, no revenue sharing with the labels. They gave the fans what they wanted, and the fans responded. What a crazy model no?
Correct you are, Gene already has all the money he needs (and then some) so money obviously isn't a motivating factor.

If they come out with a new CD I would probably pirate it just to have a listen and then delete it, that is unless KISS adopts a model similar to NIN and Radiohead. These look like the new model and hopefully will flourish and kick the RIAA out of the picture for good.

2025.6.2008 17:45

Quote:
Quote:
""Every little college kid ... should have been sued off the face of the earth," for their unauthorized downloading of course.

eat me.....


-tripplite
come now communism is by the state for the state, much akin to by the industry for the industry, communism and piracy are like oil and water,however capitalism or IE making money anyway you can and piracy(consumer version saving as much as you can) are oil and oil ^_~ .

2125.6.2008 18:06

dose any one even care if kiss ever release music again. also music has being share since day one of recorded music. allowing any one to listen to music you just bought is a sharing. this idiot would prob try to sue them for " stealing with their ears" if music was not shared no one would listen to it. as they would not know about half of the acts around

2225.6.2008 18:26

Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
What about yourself?

Wouldn't you like to make as much money as you can? If not, then why haven't you taken a vow of poverty if a decent living isn't your motive? Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is. No one should EVER be criticized for wanting to make more money, or feel one ounce of guilt for trying to do so.

Gene Simmons helped create Kiss into one of the best marketing successes of our lifetime. It's only a shame he can't see the opportunity in the new, emerging business models. He wants to do the same old business the same old way, because it worked for him and his band for so long. If he were as creative in marketing now as he was back then, he'd be able to roll with the changes.

2325.6.2008 18:28

I remember monsters of rock concert in 1988(shit I couldn't remember so I had to check, first with what else was happenning at that time then good old google to the rescue) at donnington. Iron Maiden were headlining, with guns 'n roses, megadeath and a few good others oh david lee roth aswell and of course kiss ( glam rockers) I felt cheated having to disapeer during their performance(cause they are sh*te), and I couldn't get the same spot to stand when they were finnished. Glam rockers at that gig. Ah mean come on folks it was a crazy night, but not because of them. And I will tell you all something, this Kiss wa**ers actually came out and said "although Maiden were headlining, we know, most of the crowd came to see us". Now I wasnt a fan of their music (I thnk they have over 20 albums) but after that I had a very strong view against these arogant people. They must be getting a backhander for doing this cause their 20 odd albums were flops. People who listen to Kiss are normally gas pump attendants, and as most gas stations are self service, they will not be missed anyway.
On a side note who is coming to watch Maiden this year on tour?
Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on boys and girls lets tell Kiss to "RUN TO THE HILLS.......RUN FOR YOUR LIFE" before we tell your mummy that you wear her make-up when she's out.

Edit: And as I forgot what the post was about for a sec.... If they really do have a fan base, then its about time after all these years, that they should be giving something back to the real money payers, the fans. They are missing the point of sharing altogether, Give a copy of your songs for free and watch the concert venue sell out in every country. What you should have said Gene was " the labels are failling, lets release another album dedicated to their fall"
Full ramming speed!!!!!!! Gene walk the plank!!!!!!!

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2425.6.2008 19:09
Icanbe
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Quote:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
What about yourself?

Wouldn't you like to make as much money as you can? If not, then why haven't you taken a vow of poverty if a decent living isn't your motive? Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is. No one should EVER be criticized for wanting to make more money, or feel one ounce of guilt for trying to do so.

There's a big diffrence between making a decent living and excess, When you have more money than you will ever need to live a decent life, Then your just greedy.
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2525.6.2008 19:28
tripplite
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@ZippyDSM i dont think you get the joke.....p2p is file sharing, everyone working for the better of the community, nobody sits on top we all contribute to the greater good??....its also playing on the "red scare" during the cold war.....methinks you should put down the cheap beer:D

@Mr.Simmons how very ridicules, you guys barley have any proof of copy right infringement....you guys just point the finger and make up numbers.....but i guess that makes sense then huh?

-tripplite

2625.6.2008 19:35

Sorry Gene...is KISS still selling records.




2725.6.2008 19:39

Not "is", but "was"


"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition


2825.6.2008 19:43

My grammatical error.

Apologies. :D



2925.6.2008 20:03

I was stupid enough to buy KISS albums back in 1976-1977. I bought Destroyer, Kiss Alive, Love Gun, and Kiss alive II. I was only 12 and really should have known better, but I didn't. Now I do. I can't believe anyone would download their crap. People only want quality! KISS is far far from that!

3025.6.2008 20:05

First off Gene Simmons isn't in the music business. The music business is about making music. That means writing songs and performing. For the most part he does neither. I don't have anything against him making money but I don't feel compelled to pay him for work he did decades ago, and I don't owe him any money for marketing himself on so-called reality TV.

The labels aren't in the music business either. They're in the distribution business and there's no money in distribution.

The music business, on the other hand, is thriving. Live music and band merchandise are going through the roof. Last time I checked the bands were the music business. If they're doing well the music business is too. Period.

The bigger problem here is the whole idea of mandated royalties. In any other market consumers get to tell you what the minimum value for your product is. If they tell you they won't pay anything for it that means it's worth nothing. In the government mandated royalty world of the music industry when consumers say it's worth nothing they get sued because the government says they're wrong. If Gene Simmons makes something people consider worth paying for they will.

3125.6.2008 20:06

Originally posted by iluvendo:
Not "is", but "was"
Like a, "HAS BEEN" but more like "HAS NEVER BEEN"

3225.6.2008 20:11

Originally posted by Run4two:
I was stupid enough to buy KISS albums back in 1976-1977!
Glad I'm not the only oldie around!!Lol
And dont say "speak for yourself joey!!!!!"

3326.6.2008 1:02
tripplite
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musicians should be stoked to go in front of an audience and preform...i believe that is what they like to do??? produce music and hope people love their music....and sure hell if your music is good then people will go to the concert and pay the big $$$ to see you.....i wonder how much the labels are still making off john Lennon's tracks???

we'll he certainly isn't getting his fair share.....i hope Gene gets robbed by the label's when he dies LOL...not really i couldn't stand seeing his beautiful 18 year old wife cry LOL (i know shes like 50...)

-tripplite

3426.6.2008 1:02
jony218
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Just leave him alone. In another couple of years he will be "peddling" Depends underpants on the "lifetime" channel. He is showing early signs of "dementia" cause from too much "drug partying" back in the 70s. The bottom line it's all "publicity" to keep his name in the forefront for his "R-E-A-L-I-T-Y" show. Publicity good or bad is always good for business. What "real" man is going to get cosmetic surgery, that's mainly for women.

3526.6.2008 1:09
varnull
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Are this old pointless greedy git and that poisonous fan hating midget related by any chance?

A$$hat, the artist formerly known as "what the f---?" is really the bastard son?? of Gene Simmonds.. probably Shergar was his mother.. That would explain the smell.

Anyway.. I thought Jean Simmonds was an actress from the 40's and 50's.. Just shows what those chemicals in the water can do.........

3626.6.2008 1:32

Let's see. For Kiss, signing up with one of the big four labels was optional. Now, I understand artists get paid very little per CD sold, it's about $4.00 per CD, and that's only for top rated artists, like Metallica for instance. If these top rated artists had chosen to produce and distribute their own material, without getting any of the big four labels involved, they would be able to sell their albums for a lot less, let's say $6.00 tops.

And that my friends is the only thing that defeats piracy, competitive pricing. The price needs to be low enough (and fair enough) so that looking for a source to download it illegally won't be worth my time, and not the standard $15.99 rip off price you pay retailers.

The message to Gene Simmons should be "get all the f'n middlemen out of the picture," and you'll be competitive again. Also, it wouldn't hurt that you start making some more music, or teach others what you know about music, but please don't expect to live forever from past works, don't be so lazy.

I don't encourage people to illegally download copyrighted works, but you can bet your @$$ I won't be paying $15.99 for nobody's album, not even my favorite band's albums (that would be Rush); as a matter of fact I haven't bought any music since the RIAA started all this bull... of suing their own customers. Count me back in when things change for the better. Wake up! You must realize your association with the RIAA is only hurting you, the musician.

He dicho.

3726.6.2008 1:40

This guy's an attention whore. We should just ignore him and let this thread die. What do you say to people you don't like? Nothing!!!

3826.6.2008 1:54
varnull
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Not sure where you get your figures.. there is no way an artist gets $4 per CD.. if they are lucky they get 40cents!!.. more likely about 10. They make the money from airplay and tours/merchandise... and the riaa are ripping them off for the airplay royalties too.

there was a time back in the dim and distant past when the function of the riaa was to ensure that the artists got a fair cut from the record labels.. now it seems they exist to ensure the record labels do as they please while everybody else wonders where the millions actually go.

Of course there is still a problem.. unless you join you will never ever get a deal off the majors.. which means you won't get the airtime and probably will have a hard time getting your independent product into the cartel owned high street music stores and amazon etc.

This is where the internet comes in, and bands like radiohead, nin et al giving it away and asking for a donation if you can afford and feel generous. Obviously the "heads stuck where the sun don't shine" brigade like simmonds and the riaa don't get it.. For the riaa it means unemployment, and for people like simmonds it means having to get off his fat rich ass and get some product out to his dwindling number of fans...(has anybody ever heard his couple of dismal solo singles... don't..please don't.. they will scar you for life) who would probably give him the finger now anyway. Since when has rock music been "pro establishment, pro suit"? hahahaha.. talk about opening your gob and shooting yourself well and truly between the eyes. I thought most countries had laws to protect workers in an industry from being excluded or victimised if they refused to join a trade organisation.. that's what the riaa is.. a trade organisation, and if you are signed to a major label a compulsory one at that... hmmmmmmm.. is the "closed shop" legal in the USA?

It's years since I saw a penny in performers royalties.. and I don't expect to ever see any more unless I get off my ass and make some more music too.

3926.6.2008 6:33

Maybe they should outlaw the radio too, I hear people listen for free!

4026.6.2008 10:05

Originally posted by Molinari:
Maybe they should outlaw the radio too, I hear people listen for free!
LoL

4126.6.2008 10:39

Originally posted by Icanbe:
Quote:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
What about yourself?

Wouldn't you like to make as much money as you can? If not, then why haven't you taken a vow of poverty if a decent living isn't your motive? Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is. No one should EVER be criticized for wanting to make more money, or feel one ounce of guilt for trying to do so.

There's a big diffrence between making a decent living and excess, When you have more money than you will ever need to live a decent life, Then your just greedy.
Define a decent life. It is different for everyone. Also, just because some people have lots of money does not mean they are greedy.

These opinions are not meant to start a stupid fanboy fight or any kind of fight for that matter.

4226.6.2008 10:40
goodswipe
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Originally posted by jony218:
Just leave him alone. In another couple of years he will be "peddling" Depends underpants on the "lifetime" channel. He is showing early signs of "dementia" cause from too much "drug partying" back in the 70s. The bottom line it's all "publicity" to keep his name in the forefront for his "R-E-A-L-I-T-Y" show. Publicity good or bad is always good for business. What "real" man is going to get cosmetic surgery, that's mainly for women.
LMFAO - classic!

4326.6.2008 10:43

well lets start with " Gene Kiss My A%$" the new title of the Fans book who paid for for all that you own if it wasnt for the bands first album they wouldn't have made it at all, now 30 years latter he's got the nerve to tell his fans that they are the reason for the collapse of the music industry, hes a bigger fool then egomaniac. the reason the old model dosnt work is because instead of paying $18.00 for an alblum we can now pay for the one or two songs on the whole cd, its a joke to think we want to spend our money on 12 songs just because they make good filler on an album to get 2 that might be worth hearing . oh my god ( and Gene your not it) its been a long time since we as consumers have had the choice to download even back off the radio to cassette we had a choice now its the internet's fault....Maybe we can look at it like this if its worth paying for people will maybe they need to offer us something like ok heres a free song and if you buy the cd we will offer you a break on your next one that you like from our label ... because that would only create label loyality. then if they hold their artist to create better work then you might have us back to take our money if not then you'll fall to side like the bands from yesterday .... also sorry about the long rant....

4426.6.2008 10:45

well lets start with " Gene Kiss My A%$" the new title of the Fans book who paid for for all that you own if it wasnt for the bands first album they wouldn't have made it at all, now 30 years latter he's got the nerve to tell his fans that they are the reason for the collapse of the music industry, hes a bigger fool then egomaniac. the reason the old model dosnt work is because instead of paying $18.00 for an alblum we can now pay for the one or two songs on the whole cd, its a joke to think we want to spend our money on 12 songs just because they make good filler on an album to get 2 that might be worth hearing . oh my god ( and Gene your not it) its been a long time since we as consumers have had the choice to download even back off the radio to cassette we had a choice now its the internet's fault....Maybe we can look at it like this if its worth paying for people will maybe they need to offer us something like ok heres a free song and if you buy the cd we will offer you a break on your next one that you like from our label ... because that would only create label loyality. then if they hold their artist to create better work then you might have us back to take our money if not then you'll fall to side like the bands from yesterday .... also sorry about the long rant....

4526.6.2008 10:54
goodswipe
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Originally posted by ikari:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
Quote:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
What about yourself?

Wouldn't you like to make as much money as you can? If not, then why haven't you taken a vow of poverty if a decent living isn't your motive? Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is. No one should EVER be criticized for wanting to make more money, or feel one ounce of guilt for trying to do so.

There's a big diffrence between making a decent living and excess, When you have more money than you will ever need to live a decent life, Then your just greedy.


Define a decent life. It is different for everyone. Also, just because some people have lots of money does not mean they are greedy.
Whatever dude, Gene Simmons is a jack ass. I mean, look at what this article is about - I bet you missed that tid bit!

Quote:
Gene Simmons blames NIN, Radiohead and fans, for 'death' of music industry
Hmm, sounds pretty radical to me. The music industry was already on it's way out the door, these guys didn't do it all by themselves. With the way the record companies and RIAA treat people, plus half the garbage that comes out these days, it was destined to happen.

4626.6.2008 11:42

wow gene simmons really does fit into that whole stereotypical jew thing, yes he is jewish, and no im not racist just pointing at the fact that jews have always been joked about as been money grabbers in gene simmons case this is true.

4726.6.2008 11:46
Ascrapper
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i can not believe gene is on their side. he just wants to wait around for the record industry to do something about it? whos attitude is he trying to change..the fans? i think that NIN was a great experiment and very successful, and if he doesnt upgrade with society, hell just go down with other bands that feel the way he does.

4826.6.2008 11:53

Artists have always gotten ripped off by the companies.
They get the least money out of sales then any other part of the whole process.
Say you sign with a label, you go to a studio and record.
The artist has to pay the money spent on it back to the company, and if lucky get anywhere from 5 to 25 cents a cd...
Any money spent by the label has to be paid back by the artist.
The money to be made by the artist is with live shows and merch.
They should just treat the downloads as promotional, like radio exposure.
Plus I'm old enough to remember buying multiple formats.
Like Van Halen I for instance.
I bought the LP, the the cassette, then the CD, and that was for an album I liked, what about all the other times you heard a song you liked and bought the album and surprise! It was the only good song on it! They used to raise the same stink about playing a whole album on the radio, people might tape it....
As for Mr. Simmons, try a product worth owning, those albums in retrospect are awful..... But back then only a few bands got exposure at all, we're talking like 1975-1980 here.
It was so barren I was starting to listen to Jazz Fusion and classical even.
So it was kind of a shitty music scene.
The only really good thing Simmons has done was to see Van Halen in a bar and get the ball rolling in thier case.
And I actually like his show, it's great seeing his family put him in his place and mock him even as they spend his cash.
I'd be more inclined, at this point to kick NIN a few bucks just out of principal.
And that reminds me of that other asshole Lars from Metallica.
In the early days they would encourage audience taping of thier shows. Now that he never has to work again it's a different story.
Plus he owes me money for buying that album "Load", load of crap it was, I never played it again after the first listen. Same for that last Van Halen album with Gary Cherone.
So tell me who's screwing who?

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4926.6.2008 12:01

they havent put out a record because hes to busy selling out and doing reality tv.if they were to put out a record on itunes they would embrace it.downloading is not hurting the industry its crappy music.

5026.6.2008 12:23

Kiss is a "3-chord progression" band wrapped in tin-foil and lipstick. He calls other bands who actually compose complex music a bunch of idiots for thinking outside the box and making more money for themselves. It's a dog-eat-dog world and Gene's lazy, old, dried up self can't keep up anymore. He's such an arrogant pr*ck, who would be the first one to stomp out someone elses flame to get ahead. I guess it hurts when someone else is doing the stomping.

And did he really say that every little college kid should have been sued off the face of the planet? Then who would buy his music? Because old Kiss fans already have his stuff. No serious adult is going to buy a Kiss album for the first time these days. They really are a novelty band these days. Who even knows if it's really them performing anymore behind the glam costumes.

And did he actually call them "little college kids?" That right there shows how over-developed his ego is.

@ikari
Define a decent life? It's different for everyone? A greedy person feels that excess is needed, and therefore their definition of a decent life is excessive and not necessary. Who needs 20 cars and a gold plated toilette? If Gene Simmons actually created music and performed up until now, I wouldn't criticize him. I would feel that he works hard for his $$$ and it's none of my business how he spends it. His greed would be the furthest thing from my mind. But all he does is sit on his a$$ looking for ways to make as much $$$ as he can without lifting a finger. It's one thing if a lazy person can do this and coast by in life, but Gene does it to get rich and accumulate more. And then he complains when his "fans" make him get up from his throne and do more work.

I watched 1 episode of his show and it made me loath him even more as a human being. Egomaniac is the perfect word that someone used to describe.

5126.6.2008 12:44

@ikari
Define a decent life? It's different for everyone? A greedy person feels that excess is needed, and therefore their definition of a decent life is excessive and not necessary. Who needs 20 cars and a gold plated toilette?

It reminds me of that quasimodo looking oil ceo cocksucker that got a 350 million dollar bonus......
What justifies that? Then some ceo's will lay off 10,000 people while getting a bonus like that. Does anyone really need all that money? As much as Bill Gates is loathed at least he seems to have a conscience what with that foundation and numerous charities.
Maybe his wife with-holds the vag if he acts greedy.

5226.6.2008 20:23
G_Hubcap
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This isn't the first idiotic comment by JACK ASS Simmons,
he was recently quoted:
"One of the biggest compliments we get is (when people say), 'I f**king hate their music but that's the best show I ever saw in my life.'

He was also commenting on Radiohead being boring and standing behind their guitars and not ' blowing sh*t up'! F-Off Gene, your the reason the music industry is trashed now days, oh yeah, you and teenage girls.

5327.6.2008 10:39

its to bad one guy ruined a band.the other members seem ok, i heard ace was jamming with pearl jam the other day.go wag that stupid tongue somewhere else.

5427.6.2008 11:43

I'm an ex-record producer, and used to work with a big label in Hollywood, so I can give you some facts (at least valid about 5 yrs ago when I was actively working).

Artists, for the past 20 or so years, never received income in any decent form from record sales. You can say that a new artist gets $0.50 a 'unit' (CD sold) but you also have to factor in the returns that retailers were allowed to have on unsold content. So what happens is that the record label produce X number of units, ship them to stores, stores have them sitting on shelves for ages, and then return unsold stock. 18 months after the album is released, the labels calculate what shipped out, what was returned and then come up with a number that is paid back to artists for royalties.

From that number, they deduct costs. And oh hell do they inflate costs. A recording studio that an artist could book for $1,000 a day directly is sold back to them as costs at $2,500 per day. All other costs are inflated as far as possible. Then there is the 'advance' that is paid to the producer & artist to produce the album and let the artist(s) have something to live on while this happens. That's probably somewhere in the $125K range, so that has to be paid back too.

The reality is that new artists don't make money on their first 2 or 3 albums, unless they get really lucky and sell millions. In order to do that, they need about $1 million of advertising budget put behind them by the labels. They only choose artists that they feel are likely to return back on the investment, so ultimately its the label that controls the success and/or demise of the artist. And since 1 in 10 artists pay for the other 9, about 25% of the artists on roster are considered 'tax losses' for the label, so many get released with the label knowing they won't make money and will use it to reduce the tax burden.

That's the true world the artists live in. Its no surprise that many avoid this 'machine' as much as they can. The fact that many can sell their product direct to the public should be applauded and supported, while the 'old skool' music industry was basically a bunch of cheap sales people and lawyers wanting to exploit a commodity.

In the 80s and 90s, artists didn't focus on 'mechanical royalties' such as unit sales as a means of making money. I mean under this model, who could. They would focus on 'performance royalties' (the money that is made for broadcast rights to their works by radio stations, TV & movie usage, etc.) which went ultimately to the songwriters and publishers only. Bands also would make money from merchandising (ie. selling T-Shirts, stickers, etc.).

In the late 90s most record labels started to want a piece of that action too. Many would only sign artists who would give up all rights to performance royalties and merchandising.

Ultimately this is a flawed industry to begin with. Old artists that were able to sustain themselves through 3 or so albums eventually became known and are able to continue to make money from royalties to work they did 20+ years ago. That's just wrong, IMHO, if it comes at the expensive of the new artists. New artists need support, and if they don't get it, we don't get new music.

So Gene Simmon's has really no standing when he criticises his own customer base and other artists who have successfully found a way past this flawed business model. The fact that he is criticising it means that he is really a part of the problem and not the solution.

The fact is that the record labels sell little shiny plastic disks. They don't sell music, or art. That's the artist doing that work. Let's not get the two confused. Artists need our support. Little plastic disk manufacturers don't.

5527.6.2008 12:10

Thanks vladimpld for that well written post. Good information in there.

5627.6.2008 14:19

Gene Simmons is a has-been asswipe. He's fat, ugly, his hairstyle is right out of the 1700's, and he has no interpersonal skills. Anyone catch this moron on "The Apprentice" ? Most people found him to be an arrogant and annoying jackass. Furthermore, he hasn't written a new song in 20 years. Let him fade away.

5727.6.2008 14:43

And I thought Gene Simmons had died, oh well only "Brain Dead." And their music was not that good from the start. He does have a point. What if the world had only bought 2 or 3 songs at a buck apiece for his entire career, he probably would have been required to work a real job his whole life. LMAO

5827.6.2008 14:59

Informative posts like that is why I've been coming to this site for years. Thanks for the info vladimpld.

Also, if KISS were an up and coming band in this era I'm sure they'd be jumping all over the new sell it yourself business model. I'm sure most bands that are reasonably popular and not under some form of contract would. Hopefully the music industry will die a painful death, I mean it's only been around for like the last fifty years or so not since the dawn of time.

5927.6.2008 15:06
goodswipe
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Originally posted by TSRSteve:
Informative posts like that is why I've been coming to this site for years. Thanks for the info vladimpld.

Also, if KISS were an up and coming band in this era I'm sure they'd be jumping all over the new sell it yourself business model. I'm sure most bands that are reasonably popular and not under some form of contract would. Hopefully the music industry will die a painful death, I mean it's only been around for like the last fifty years or so not since the dawn of time.
If you think about it, the record companies were just pimps and the artists were the hoes. I agree with you that they need to all die a slow miserable death. Maybe then, we can get some get music coming out our stereos other then what they want us to hear.

6027.6.2008 15:20
nobrainer
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what a tool for the media industry, how much is the RIAA paying this guy to push their agenda, or is he just plain stupid?

6127.6.2008 15:32
varnull
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He's just stupid and wondering why his income from little plastic disks has stopped flowing.. He forgets that everybody who could possibly want a kiss record has already got it.. My local Age Concern shop has something like 8 kiss vinyl originals in nice condition for 99p a pop. I bet I could get more than that for them on fleabay.. there are a couple of jap imports amongst them.. love gun and dysentry (??)

I used to share a flat with a hardcore kiss fan... ouch!

About symmonds.. he hasn't ever been a drug user, and not even a great drinker.. he's not a great example of a rock star from the 70's.. he should be dead years ago.. his vice is young girls. How many underage girls has he ruined I wonder?

Nicely put vladimpld .. it's good to see another ex music industry pro in here.

6227.6.2008 15:39
corn
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Sounds to me like hes got nothing better to do than bitch. Sorry Gene, but you're music styles been dead for awhile now.

6327.6.2008 15:55

Gene Simmons is a sell out and a douche bag who wasn't able to adapt to the changing times of the industry, and is too stupid to see it.

NIN and Radiohead are making millions by giving the fans what they want. They keep making music for the fans, which is what it's all about! And people buy their albums on their sites with an amazing loyalty that is stronger than ever.

Sorry Gene, you're wrong.

6427.6.2008 20:23

The music industry and artists have been earning an easy fortune out of the consumer/ fan for years . you had to buy the album to listen to the few songs you liked on it. Now you can download what tracks you like and fuck all the rest of the filler tracks off they dont like it. they earnt a fortune for too long and now they are being brought down to earth with a big bump and realise they cant just record shit and expect fans to pay for it. I apologise for the swearing but i really believe what i say.

6527.6.2008 20:32

gene simmons is nothing but a greedy piece of shit... i would love to get my hands on him and lars both for just 5 minutes.. hell prince to while im at, itll only take 1 minute to take care of that half pinted bastard.

6627.6.2008 20:34

Hmm sounds like gene's tongue was up Metallica's ass when he spewed this diatribe!

6727.6.2008 20:35

JUST GOT HERE AND HAVE TO SAY THAT WHAT EVER PRECEDED, HERE'S MY VIEW-missed Kiss during the 80s cause I was driving truck or getting what sleep I could. What I've heard of their music doesn't give me thrills. I do like Radioheads CREEP. Also liked Metallicas' BLACK. Now I'm thinking Gene Simmons and Lars are BED BUDDIES. I'm an underachiever and it sure seems that the more money you rake in, the pile is NEVER big enough.

6827.6.2008 21:46

It's amazing how staunchly opposing something can lead to one's own demise.

6927.6.2008 21:50
varnull
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Oooooo.. lots of love in this thread.. I can see the sales figures falling right now.

7027.6.2008 21:53

Originally posted by varnull:
Oooooo.. lots of love in this thread.. I can see the sales figures falling right now.
*i throw my KISS rug and toilet paper dispenser away*

EDIT: i own no KISS memorabilia. 'twas merely a jest.
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7127.6.2008 21:59
corn
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
*i throw my KISS rug and toilet paper dispenser away*
I don't think he'd care. As long as you bought the rug, and he got royalties.
Do you even get royalties for rugs?

7227.6.2008 22:01

Lol.

I stole the rug from a burnout who kept raving about rock 'n rolling all night and partying...(he then peed himself and passed out which is how i acquired the rug and toilet paper dispenser)



7327.6.2008 22:10
corn
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LMFAO!
Well... Then you'd better not let Gene know- he might sue. Wait.. Did the Bum buy it.

7427.6.2008 22:17

Originally posted by corn:
LMFAO!
Well... Then you'd better not let Gene know- he might sue. Wait.. Did the Bum buy it.
That my friend is an item of pure speculation.



7527.6.2008 22:25
corn
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Ah. Well, if Gene stops by, send him the Bums way ;).

7627.6.2008 22:48

gene simmons is stupid, the music industry is because of lime wire and music share sites, as well as the crap music that is out today like solider boy, lil wayne, and coldplay.

7728.6.2008 0:25

I've enjoyed most of KISS's music back in the seventies and went to several concerts but I always wanted to rip that F*ckn tongue out of his mouth.

I'll never get why a smokin’ hot chick like Shannon Tweed would ever go or stay with such an ugly jerk as Gene is. Who can figure that one out.

Although I pretty much new how the industry worked it is really nice to have your post vladimpld thanks much.

7828.6.2008 0:28

Gene Simmons is a dirty freakin sell-out. He gave up music for money and never turned back. Toys, TV specials, commercials, reality shows. He doesn't care about the music industry, he only cares about lining his pockets with gold.

7928.6.2008 1:33

I'll never get why a smokin’ hot chick like Shannon Tweed would ever go or stay with such an ugly jerk as Gene is. Who can figure that one out.

Because his tongue is longer than other parts of his anatomy.

Newbious

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8028.6.2008 2:10

Coming from the music industry I have 30 years experience, I've worked for Zomba music as a managing director for 6 years and also for a US ISP: Level3, Bisides that I am a music producer. What I can say is that because of technology markets are changing. When the word processor was invented the typewriter factory had to think of producing something different. Think of all the plug ins in software which replaces all the hardware.

So making music is also much easier then 20 years ago A Madonna remix is made in a day by Timbaland. So it comes again to real handwork if we talk about live performances.

So in fact Gene is just to lazy to go on stage again and not flexible to change his business model. This is a typical psycholioical reaction from a person who lost contact with the generation of today.

8128.6.2008 2:23

Factoids:
Kiss and Kiss Alive were the only Kiss albums worth a 13-year old males lawn mowing money. The rest isn't worth wasting bandwidth on downloads...Free or otherwise.

High minded busines paragons (whose dedication to great music for the world so far has included a cartoon show, lame simultaneous solo albums, the disco Kiss on Casablanca Records, sex memoirs, perfume, and reality television), Kiss is the logical group who Metallica should pass the torch to. As soon as everyone quits laughing I know downloads will be history.

Party On Garth...I'm not worthy!

8228.6.2008 2:37

Nice Vlad Your first lines basically confirmed and was what I was going to post. The fact that they don't make much off their recorded sales. You need to work and tour to make the money. It is really sad that the companies want more as in the schwag and other things. They are runnning scared right now because they did not adapt in the first place. As humans the reason we are here is because we are able to adapt, most have forgotten this part though and survival of the fittest really doesn't mean anything anymore either. It's great the artists that get out there and advertise themselves and try to get it done on their own and I respect that a lot more. I basically quit buying music a few years ago as I picked up about six albums that got rave reviews and only one of the cd's was listenable to me. Got to like being able to try before you buy these days or just stick to the oldies but there is great new stuff out there depending on what you like( almost everything but new country oh yeh and that fluffy techno junk, like the hardcore/industrial though)

I know one of my friends is really into movies and buys quite a few of them. He watches a bunch of bootlegs also but then will tell me he is going to buy it. I would not do it myself as I go about things a different way. Why buy the cow when you can rent it. There are a few groups I would like to spend some cash on to grab some albums but I watch my money closely as I got used to it by having to either pay rent by myself or having roomates that never wanted too. Would love to go through Rolling Stones (the mag) top 100 lists to jog my memory and be able to by the whole lot of what I like.

Never really understood the Kiss thing.

Anyway real nice post Vlad.

8328.6.2008 3:33

Originally posted by MartinDVJ:
Coming from the music industry I have 30 years experience, I've worked for Zomba music as a managing director for 6 years and also for a US ISP: Level3, Bisides that I am a music producer. What I can say is that because of technology markets are changing. When the word processor was invented the typewriter factory had to think of producing something different. Think of all the plug ins in software which replaces all the hardware.

So making music is also much easier then 20 years ago A Madonna remix is made in a day by Timbaland. So it comes again to real handwork if we talk about live performances.

So in fact Gene is just to lazy to go on stage again and not flexible to change his business model. This is a typical psycholioical reaction from a person who lost contact with the generation of today.
After 20 years a lot of artists ran out money, the moneypit dry's out because sales drop and the records are not played anymore so much on the radio. They are addicted to a certain lifestyle and fame begins to fade, they begin to complain about the changin situation. Because they have to do a step back and that is not a pleasant situation, for people with a certain lifestyle.

In the 70's and 80's Technology was very expensive the first drum computer was 20.000 euro's now with this money you have a compleet dolby surround studio in a box, video and audio facilities. But because of this development there are so many artists and so many channels to view that the collective of the experience dissapears.

NOT broadcasting TV and Radio but NARROW casting The Internet is taking over. But do people need the collective experience?? That is the question!!! Football/sucker is a good exapmple to my opinion this is the only PRODUCT at the moment. How pathetic that is, the comman collective should be honesty to eveything what lives on this planet.

The development of technology is so far now that it is talent and creativity again to prove for YOURSELF what you can make of your life. Not depending of buying a reproduction of what you can.

Certainly not the cast of idiots called Kiss. I was made for making money not love.

8428.6.2008 7:31
davidrose
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Gene cannot admit that selling his soul to record companies is becoming a thing of the past, how I see it, the future of music is in the hands of the fans, oh no.

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8528.6.2008 10:36

Quote:
When asked why KISS had not released a new CD since 1998's 'Psycho Circus', Simmons added that "there is no record industry around so we're going to wait until everybody settles down and becomes civilized. As soon as the record industry pops its head up we'll record new material."

This quote says it all. Gene is speaking from a position that sounds like a record label owner or publisher. If Gene is that, then I understand his position, but the whole WORLD is under the impression that Gene/Kiss is an artist. The reason why bands/music industry has grown from its beginnings over the past 100 years is because the artists cared about the music, not the excessive amounts of money. I agree each artist should be paid fairly, I also agree that people should limit themselves on file sharing music. (I stopped downloading illegal copies of music 2 years ago, and now I buy only the music I like)

Do I solely believe the internet changed the music industry? Yes, it is for not only the worse, but for the better. More indie bands can reach audiences across the globe where before they could not.

Music piracy will always exist (it has existed since the beginning of 4 track, probably before that even)

Companies such as Sony and other companies that have ties in technology and music should blame themselves. We didn't invent and distribute CD writeable drives and discs. They did. We did not invent and distribute DVD writeable drives and discs. They did.

If those pieces of technology would not have been released, I'd say piracy would be 1/4 of what it is today.

8628.6.2008 12:54

Quote:
Companies such as Sony and other companies that have ties in technology and music should blame themselves. We didn't invent and distribute CD writeable drives and discs. They did. We did not invent and distribute DVD writeable drives and discs. They did.

If those pieces of technology would not have been released, I'd say piracy would be 1/4 of what it is today.

then you do not understand the difference between pirates and consumer pirates dont need burners they can buy cd presses, and like you said piracy was around longer than anything, if it can be duplicated piracy will exist, before music pirates would duplicate money.

consumers need such things as burner, i for one loved the invention. when the first burner came out people were like why do we need these.
businesses around the world bought them windows 3.1 was no longer installed by 8 floppys but by one cd. Cd burners changed what we do more than you know, and piracy is the least of it one of them.

Pirates to the RIAA are people who copy copyrighted material,even dead grannies and laser printers can be effected.

types of piracy,

Industrial piracy

An individual or group attempts duplication and distribution on a large scale for profit.

Corporate piracy

Unprotected contents are shared through net­works such as peer-to-peer, LAN and Internet.

Reseller piracy

Involves computer hardware companies selling ma­chines with illegal copies of software preloaded on their hard drive.

Home piracy/this is not piracy it is sharing but RIAA dont know better, they've never shared in there life.

Includes everything from trading disks with friends to running a not-for-profit bulletin board for the purpose of illegal software distribution.

8728.6.2008 14:05


8828.6.2008 15:13

I would never download hes music ... because it sucks... never like it when it was first out I thought it was stupid then !Okay Gene I've already got all your albums for free from a yard sale they would not sale so I got them out of the garbage can, washed off the beans and cat food and they still suck !

8928.6.2008 15:32
corn
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Originally posted by rbrock:
I would never download hes music ... because it sucks... never like it when it was first out I thought it was stupid then !Okay Gene I've already got all your albums for free from a yard sale they would not sale so I got them out of the garbage can, washed off the beans and cat food and they still suck !
Thats the way to get your music without feeding the RIAA and those fatcats. Just buy all your music used. When you buy a new album, the partners of whichever label you bought it from get royalties, just like the artists do. So, how do you stop that you ask? Buy used music.

9028.6.2008 16:12

[b]KISS...[b]

What a crap band they were. My older brother, a genuine hippie, loved them. I could never understand that.
I read in a Cream magazine interview with Bonnie Raitt that she(a real musician), was beat out by Simmons in an audition for KISS simply because he had the "tongue". There's a talent for ya!

Me, I always liked the original Allman Brothers Band, Yes, Jeff Beck, Mayall, Clapton and Humble Pie, because they could play their instruments. The Alice Cooper Group had better showmanship than KISS, if that's what you wanted, and wrote a lot of "thinking man's" lyrics. A smart and funny band.

Simmons is all guile and BS, hasn't changed a bit in 35 years. He needs to take a walk with some lemmings.

His tirade sounds a lot like Vinny Del Vecchio on Advanced Media Network. If your business model is fv(k&d up, blame the fans! Evil downloaders are killing the industry!

Yeah, and Borders is going out of business because they can't sell CDs.

9128.6.2008 16:41

Blow chunks Simmons!

9228.6.2008 21:51

Hmmm.

I have the sneaking suspicion that no new KISS fans will be born from this site...or this article.

Too bad Gene doesn't read this stuff, huh? Not that it would matter much. I doubt he cares about the "little people" too much these days.



9328.6.2008 22:22

All the downloading sure doesnt seem to be hurting his pocket, he lives like an Arab king, got a lot of balls to bitch, and he should thank his swelled head Shannon stays by him, I to do not see what she ever saw in him other than his money and an easy life for her.

9428.6.2008 22:26

Quote:
I to do not see what she ever saw in him other than his money and an easy life for her.
Don't forget the tongue which may make up where he could be lacking elsewhere.

Just south of those heavy pockets.


9529.6.2008 0:16

Bouya !!! well said

Originally posted by MartinDVJ:
Coming from the music industry I have 30 years experience, I've worked for Zomba music as a managing director for 6 years and also for a US ISP: Level3, Bisides that I am a music producer. What I can say is that because of technology markets are changing. When the word processor was invented the typewriter factory had to think of producing something different. Think of all the plug ins in software which replaces all the hardware.

So making music is also much easier then 20 years ago A Madonna remix is made in a day by Timbaland. So it comes again to real handwork if we talk about live performances.

So in fact Gene is just to lazy to go on stage again and not flexible to change his business model. This is a typical psycholioical reaction from a person who lost contact with the generation of today.

9629.6.2008 2:31

Hendrix: Ad Infinitum
Kiss: Ah, 1998...TFB...

9729.6.2008 3:42

System - Rhythm Machine

9829.6.2008 11:48

It's just a publicity stunt, they haven't had a new cd in years, what does he care if you don't buy his music, he wants to attract people to his show and ad to his reputation for being outspoken, he nows that even in their day, kiss could only move records at concerts, because people didn't like their music until they saw them perform, they stated that on VH1 where are they now, before he got a reality show, and as for Shannon Tweed, well lets face it, mini me has a sex tape out now, just look at TMZ. so i doubt it's the tongue or any other part of his body, oh and lets not forget, before people were downloading music, they were using tape recorders to copy it off the radio, i think it was Margaret chow, who would make fun of it in her stand up gig, back when it only cost them $3 to make a cd but they still charged $15 to $20, and then got sued in a class action suite for price fixing when they exposed themselves by going after circuit city and best buy when they refused to price fix and lowered their prices to kill the mom and pop stores, what a den of thieves and yet so quick to point the finger at everyone else.

9929.6.2008 13:38
gerbs
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I agree with almost every word posted on this issue. I say make music people like and you will make money and you will have fun, too. The old kings of Europe were eliminated and democracy brought in. Let's do the same with the royal music kingdoms.

10029.6.2008 14:52
DPensee
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As so many in the post have so clearly expressed, when it comes to contemporary music marketing, Gene Simmons is a dinosaur. He has become very rich marketing Kiss to the maximal extent possible, but he does need to realize that the model that made him rich isn't going to come back into existence, even if he tries to finance it with his own personal fortune. For a man who was recently shown on TV talking to a group of Hawaiian businesspeople about the importance of diversification in business, he needs to try and follow his own advice.

Rob Halford is using the new model to market his solo work: maybe Gene ought to ask him how it's working out....

10129.6.2008 15:47

Simmons is a turd. He hasnt released any music because his band was a dying breed. Hey, Simmons, here is an idea, if the artist would start releasing COMPLETE cd's with good music instead of 2-3 songs and the rest garbage, then maybe some people would care to purchase the music.

I remember in 1990 the music was actually good and the WHOLE album was solid. Now a days there only a handful of artist that put out complete albums that are good. There is no way I am forking over 16 bucks for 2 good songs.

Also, more and more artist are going to start using the internet for promotion. It is easier, cheaper, and it's return is well worth it.

10230.6.2008 8:13

I agree with djgizmo and Matt355. Gene is all washed up! He is too old to be creative and I guess too old to even go on the road and do a good show. I am really crying for the bastard! His music is not realty good enough to be classic but I am sure he would differ with that opinion. What he doesn't figure is his opinion does not matter. Too bad he didn’t invest more money when the getting was good. He must have assumed a few years of creativity would carry him for the rest of his life.

I believe it was the music industry the killed the music industry. Their greed has stopped the creative flow that existed in the olden days. Now most bands are artists instead of entertainers. They do not realize it is the lowly fan that makes them great or actually millions of lowly fans.

I am sure he pirated music when he was a boy.

1031.7.2008 1:58

Yeah Right, as if he didnt copy music using a cassete recorder, we did, he did, everybody did, and now its suppose to be different, so damn hypocritical. All these damn moguls make me sick anymore with all thier crying and moaning, what are they really losing even with pirating, what is like 7 to 8 percent from everything I read, oh man, so instead of them making a mil a year and mostly more, they'll make like what 920 thou a year or more, oh man boo hoo my f#$%#$g heart bleeds for them.

1041.7.2008 2:16
G_Hubcap
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Yeah Right, as if he didnt copy music using a cassete recorder, we did, he did, everybody did, and now its suppose to be different, so damn hypocritical. All these damn moguls make me sick anymore with all thier crying and moaning, what are they really losing even with pirating, what is like 7 to 8 percent from everything I read, oh man, so instead of them making a mil a year and mostly more, they'll make like what 920 thou a year or more, oh man boo hoo my f#$%#$g heart bleeds for them.
Does anyone remember holding the cassette recorder up to the tv or radio to get your "mix" down?!@! I do.

1051.7.2008 2:16
G_Hubcap
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i f'ed up

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1061.7.2008 11:18
goodswipe
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Originally posted by Daxsmoker:
gene simmons is stupid, the music industry is because of lime wire and music share sites, as well as the crap music that is out today like solider boy, lil wayne, and coldplay.
Lil Wayne has been making music for nearly 10 years or longer. It's not like it just came out. Get yo mind correct son!

/rant off

1072.7.2008 1:29

Hey Gene maybe you can bury the music industry in one of those KISS coffins you sell!

1082.7.2008 7:34

Does Simmons have any fans left? Did he ever have any? So much venom for such a never-was.

1092.7.2008 7:46

Kiss used to be huge, but they sold out for more money. I just saw Alice Cooper in concert recently and he has way better showmanship plus way better music. A good example of a musical artist that stuck to his roots and stayed faithful to his fans.

1102.7.2008 13:41

Kiss was NEVER huge, and I've heard 'em all starting with Elvis who was huge, twice! Alice Cooper was indeed huge also.

1112.7.2008 13:50

Alice Cooper (along with rockers like ZZ Top) still put on a kickin' show.

Never seen KISS live, don't intend to. I only like a couple songs. And obviously have zero respect for Gene Simmons.



1122.7.2008 22:31

The point is that he doesn't want to make any more music because he believes the record industry is dead and more importantly.... He can't make enough money.

Isn't the guy rich enough. Even if you keep touring people are going to want to see you play just as much as ever, and if people share your new stuff, well at least it's getting out there and people are hearing it. Some will love it, others will burn it(like some of the people in this thread)but you should be happy That its circulating the masses.

If you still arn't making enough money maybe you should go do another reality tv show you . Maybe this time it should feature gordon ramsey with kiss as his apprentices.

Everyone who has read this topic should really see the christian rock band episode of south park if they have not allready.

Thanks for listening.

1132.7.2008 22:31

The point is that he doesn't want to make any more music because he believes the record industry is dead and more importantly.... He can't make enough money.

Isn't the guy rich enough. Even if you keep touring people are going to want to see you play just as much as ever, and if people share your new stuff, well at least it's getting out there and people are hearing it. Some will love it, others will burn it(like some of the people in this thread)but you should be happy That its circulating the masses.

If you still arn't making enough money maybe you should go do another reality tv show you . Maybe this time it should feature gordon ramsey with kiss as his apprentices.

Everyone who has read this topic should really see the christian rock band episode of south park if they have not allready.

Thanks for listening.

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