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Pirate Bay boycotts 'traditional media'

Written by Andre Yoskowitz (Google+) @ 12 Sep 2008 14:10 User comments (55)

Pirate Bay boycotts 'traditional media' Last week we reported that the torrent tracker The Pirate Bay was under fire from the Swedish media for not taking down a user-uploaded torrent that included autopsy pictures of two murdered children. The request was from the father of the murdered children but The Pirate Bay stuck by their morals and refused to take it down, claiming that the Internet is a free place and they refuse to censor.
“People can express themselves and spread material they think is important, that’s one of the things we’re fighting for and if it’s then used for things which can be uncomfortable for some, so be it,” Pirate Bay co-founder Peter Sunde said at the time. “It’s more important that such a possibility exists than it doesn’t exist,”

The whole situation has taken a turn for the worse however, as last night Peter Sunde was invited to a debate on a TV show which turned out to be more of a trap than anything. He was invited to speak out on free speech and Swedish policy on documents that are in the public domain. Against their word however, the show began with the father of the children speaking via video about how rude Peter had been to him through their email response and how the Pirate Bay was wrong in this matter.

Because of this abuse of trust, Peter Sunde has posted that The Pirate Bay will now be boycotting traditional media. From the site's official blog, "Due to last nights failure from the last entity of respected traditional media to keep promises we have decided to suspend all of our contacts with the press for the time being.

All planned and booked interviews are to be considered suspended. All future interviews are to be considered impossible. We have no longer any interest in participating in traditional media since it's apparant that they are not trustworthy or willing to adopt.

The mail sent to the press spokes person will not be read. The phone will not be answered.

If this changes (not likely) we will notify you. All press contact e-mails have been deleted. All phone numbers to the current staff of journalists have been blocked.

We will not focus solely on making this site and our future sites do more damage against the monopolised media. This is not a message of war. This is a message of future."

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55 user comments

112.9.2008 15:09

Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?

212.9.2008 15:20

what the hell did the cretin expect?my respect for pirate bay is in the crapper now.arrogent bunch of bastards.

312.9.2008 15:37

Meh mishandled but the core of their argument still stands the media system as it is now must die for us to be free.

412.9.2008 15:56

I am not sure what side to stand with on this one. I do not necessarily think the content should be removed because I do believe in the freedom of speech (which in this case is the freedom to disseminate information). Someone rightfully obtained the images, documents, etc and simply uploaded them (I have no idea why) to TPB. There is nothing illegal about them being shared at all as far as I know (although I do not know Swedish law on this). The documents and images are also not copyrighted, so it is not a copyright violation.

Then again, there is the father who is just asking nicely that the admininstrators remove the pictures of his dead child. The father and the family are suffering enough, I am sure, and need not any more exposure via any means. I would not care if TPB removed the torrent, because I definitely do not need/want the content of it, but at the same time, it seems other people do (you can call them freaks if you would like, non-professional historians, etc).

I would strongly be against TPB in general if someone uploaded child pornography and they refused to remove it. For this, my respect for TPB has not really gone down, because they are fighting for the right to freely disseminate information (copyrighted or not), standing up and saying "No more" to the corporate-owned governments of the world, which I totally agree with.

Disconnecting from traditional media is sort of like a cheap cop out because they do not wish to be spoken of any more in the traditional media. I know many people may lose respect for TPB for not removing the torrent, and they know that too. The media will have nothing to say (especially bad things) if TPB refuses to speak with them in any manner. Not a terrible idea.

All in all, I would not mind seeing the torrent removed and, in fact, would prefer to see it removed. The reason is because we, as humans, have something known as respect, and just because we do not know each other and maybe only know of each other by handle via computers, we should still respect the fact that nearly every handle is a real person with feelings, emotions, etc. So many people just love using the word noob to anyone who is new, and this only hinders what can come about from the person who is joining. In real life, the same thing happens. A new person comes in, thought of as a newbie (because they are of course, new), gets less respect for a while and for many people has to prove himself/herself before they can gain any respect. It is an odd system but it has unfortunately become part of being human. Do it enough and you think of everyone new this way and trust no one.

In my opinion, this is exactly how Peter Sunde sees the media. They have no idea who he really is, they are 'new', we all know they generally know nothing about technology, and they make assumptions he does not like. As a man of his word, he wishes to simply let the information propagate on the Internet (on his site) as if it were a street corner where you get everything you need without worrying about litigation, judgement, etc. A utopia of information without bias or censoring is his goal.

Without any sense of how to balance this with the human principles of real respect (feelings, NOT copyrights), he has simply decided to step away from the media for now.

512.9.2008 15:57
varnull
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Peter Sunde is right again.. It is the "respected" media that is wrong. They use mob culture and twisted morals to destroy and belittle people. They stir up hatred and division so their owners can continue to operate their agenda to control what we think.

The newspapers and TV are no more than a mouthpiece for governments and hysterical mob head holders and violent people. They lie and cheat to influence "public opinion" while taking no responsibility for the damage they cause to society.. screw the lot of them.

Arrogant?.. possibly.. Right to leave public documents available? Certainly.

Why do you morons keep banging on about child pornography? TPB remove and ip ban anybody who attempts to upload that content. It is illegal and they remove illegal material. Check your facts.. or are you a hidden pedo?.. because those who shout the loudest usually have something to hide and will seek to point fingers at others so people don't look at them.

Peter, you have the support of all people who understand freedom of information and the right to make an informed and adult decision about what you look at and look away from. We are the people who matter, not the rabble rousers and media hysterics. Do whatever you see fit. You will not upset us if we don't hear from you on TV or in the papers.. we know we are on the same side. I have been crapped on by the "traditional media" also... bunch of twisters and liars all.

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612.9.2008 16:30

TPB should have a "default" response to those requests to remove torrents from their site saying simply "if it's illegal we'll remove it, else we won't"...

I am sure that many torrents point to disgusting material (including some pop songs and recent Hollywood movies... :P) but it's not TPB's role to judge them, especially in a world constantly harassed by the Politically Correct mob...

712.9.2008 16:40

Paint it or dress it up any way that you like :- Peter Sunde has made an absolutely massive personal fortune out of TPB - ermm don't we all argue that it's OK to share and pirate as long as you don't make a profit ?

His personal fortune and that of the other 2 founders ( which runs into many hundreds of thousands of dollars ) is of course due almost entirely to the advertising revenue that they make every month ( and don't forget the donation appeal to buy an island ) - what happened to that ? - off to the bank deposit no doubt or in one of the 6 homes they have bought between them in the fashionable stockholm suburbs.

Plus he has always been one hell of an arrogant little shit... only he would think of sending a rude email to the father of murdered children whose autopsies his site was helping to spread in the form of torrents.

812.9.2008 17:00

I stand behind their decision, if not their rudeness. TPB has suceeded because they have steadfastly refused to make judgement calls on these things and simply let the net censor itself.
The kiddy porn argument is a red-herring. It's illegal so its removed.

It is not TPB's job to judge the morality of the files made available. If they started doing that then where would it end? Should pictures of 9/11 be removed to spare the feelings of those who lost loved ones in that attack?

912.9.2008 18:06

Originally posted by varnull:
because those who shout the loudest usually have something to hide and will seek to point fingers at others so people don't look at them.
So true, varnull, so true.

As for the rest of your comment, I wonder if it is possible for you to make a valid arguement without blantly insulting a poster(s) everytime?

1012.9.2008 19:48

Well I feel that this marks the beginning of the end for Pirate bay, and the fanfare from the cyberworld, I want to point out this quote "Against their word however, the show began with the father of the children speaking via video"...this means that Peter Sunde had to be promised they would not bring the father on, nor talk about that issue, thats pretty lame, to sit behind your PC and act like Billy bada$$ to someone, and cower away, and demand stipulations like a diva. F' U Peter Sunde, stick to your guns on this topic, and by the end you will be turning that gun barrell on yourself!

boycott the media, it doesnt matter, their arrogance and stubborness has become their downfall..

I am satisfied to see so many turn against these A-holes.

1112.9.2008 20:52

Every situation is different. I think it was a bit arrogant of TPB to not even contemplate the removal of the torrent, having done so they could have avoided all this drama. And as much as we may love TPB lets face it, they have a reputation as being very arrogant and cocky (admittedly one must be in that line of work).

This particular torrent is a special circumstance, had they have looked at the case and made a proper analysis maybe the decision, and thus the outcome would have been different. After all it is not every day a father requests the pictures of his dead children be removed from a website, because its a rare and unusual occurance.

All this freedom stuff is crap, have you considered what some of the more sadistic in our society would do if all were granted with this complete freedom. We need to draw the line somewhere and make a stand, we need to let people know that they are pushing the boundaries and there is some things we just wont stand for. Ask yourselves this, when will YOU draw the line.

As this uploader has pushed the boundaries and loaded this content someone else will push it further and whats next, films of rapes and murders redaily available and at your fingertips?

What I am saying is we all should have the right to freedom, you can all download what you want. but within reason, within moral code, values and respect for humanity, but I am not saying you must all adhere to my moral codes and values. We are a diverse society and to get along we need some conformity on these kinds of issues.

1212.9.2008 20:57

About time they cut ties with these media whores. they just suck you in and then drop you when they think it will suit them or there lobbyists.
the media are running scared the internet is taking away there hold on the masses. while ever we have forums to discus and share the truth about what's really going on in the world, they are withered.

@ rosetta have you considered the strong possibility that the whole thing was staged by a member/s of the media. how hard would it be for a reporter with no story, to go and acquire these pictures and upload them. then contact the children's family and ask them if they are aware of what's on pirate bay. how did the farther find out they are on the net? who told him? why does he believe that the pirate bay is responsible? these are questions the media should be investigating IMO.

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1312.9.2008 21:50

GREAT !

Now all you weirdo's can post Child porn on Pirate Bay.

1413.9.2008 0:11

Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?

Are you really that daft? They have moderators going through 24/7 to get rid of stuff like that.

1513.9.2008 0:33

Quote:
Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?

Are you really that daft? They have moderators going through 24/7 to get rid of stuff like that.
I wish the idiots would just skim past my posts since they obviously don't see the correlation. If he is proudly hanging out pictures or links of someones dead children out there, how far of a stretch is it to say he would allow links to nude pics of them? He is only a stones throw away from doing so. Give it a few years, and he might even endorse it. Slippery slope and all that.

Nothing but a horde of sick nazis IMHO.

1613.9.2008 0:48
atomicxl
Inactive

Originally posted by DRokKer:
@ rosetta have you considered the strong possibility that the whole thing was staged by a member/s of the media. how hard would it be for a reporter with no story, to go and acquire these pictures and upload them. then contact the children's family and ask them if they are aware of what's on pirate bay. how did the farther find out they are on the net? who told him? why does he believe that the pirate bay is responsible? these are questions the media should be investigating IMO.
And the pirate's bay fell for it hook line and sinker. TPB makes everyone look bad when they get their kicks off of rubbing pics of dead children in the face of the parents and then giving a middle finger screaming "freedom of speech".

People forget that the back end of freedom of speech is that people have the right to disagree with you and the right to do what they can to bring you down as long as they stay within the limits of the law.

TPB isn't some wholesome site or anything, its like a collection of stolen content. They already walk a thin rope. Championing pictures of dead children doesn't help their image nor will it win them supporters.
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1713.9.2008 0:59

I stopped reading comments on this one.

I think that this is seriously messed up. To me, this isn't about freedom of speech. It's about being decent people.

Just because you are a pirate doesn't mean that you have to lack every sentiment of compassion...

1813.9.2008 4:51
13thHouR
Inactive

Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
They have removed content in the past at the request of users.

But this is another attempt by the authorities to blacken the name of the pirate bay with the usual state controlled propaganda, in the past there was supposed content uploaded as part of the smear campaign against the site by the Americian media giants, with the hope of getting the pirate bay onto "The child porn filter list" but the Swedish Police were unable to supply any links or downloaded files to support their case & the police ended up being used as tools in another epic fail thanks to the RIAA/MPAA.
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1913.9.2008 5:01

do you really think pirate bay is any different than the media the claim to eschew?not on your life.freedom of speech and expression can be abused no matter what you call yourself.

2013.9.2008 8:45

Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?

Quote:
Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
The better question is : what if someone had posted pictures of one of the Pirate Bay's admins dead kids, or dead family members?
I'll bet there'd be no question that they would have come down.

Screw the Pirate Bay, I hope they are brought down now.

2113.9.2008 9:51
13thHouR
Inactive

Originally posted by subpopz :
Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?
you know i think that is the rhetoric that the USA government used against ogrish.com (what if someone had posted pictures of one of their kids) when it had a freedom of speech policy before they were taken down because too many ppl saw the reality of Afghanistan and Iraq, especially after videos of US troops using white phosphorus in fallujah, iraq appeared, the site was taken off of the net the very next day and now you get directed to liveleak (208.71.130.253) which is heavily moderated by pro american ding bats.


but still many videos appear showing the reality of the Amercian led occupations around the globe, and where do they appear, why the piratebay and mininova.

keep ppl dumb and control them through fear: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OnserZOf1-4

any restriction of free speech is bad, it is your choice to view content, don't force your opinions on others to restrict the flow of information that is oppression.

Romani ite domum
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2213.9.2008 10:21

you guys are just making TPB hit counter larger and larger =]

2313.9.2008 10:23
varnull
Inactive

Quote:
Just because you are a pirate doesn't mean that you have to lack every sentiment of compassion...
And how many times have we heard that whine from those who would censor information and the access to it.?

I notice people are still pulling up these pictures like there is something wrong with publicly available information being publicly available. It has nothing to do with the site owners.. the person who should be asked to remove it is THE ORIGINAL UPLOADER. If they say "screw you" than that's that.

Tell you what.. why don't we just take the whole internet down.. because it obviously offends everybody.. and while we are at it lets burn all the history and medical books in the libraries.

2413.9.2008 11:29
atomicxl
Inactive

Quote:
Quote:
Just because you are a pirate doesn't mean that you have to lack every sentiment of compassion...
And how many times have we heard that whine from those who would censor information and the access to it.?

I notice people are still pulling up these pictures like there is something wrong with publicly available information being publicly available. It has nothing to do with the site owners.. the person who should be asked to remove it is THE ORIGINAL UPLOADER. If they say "screw you" than that's that.

Tell you what.. why don't we just take the whole internet down.. because it obviously offends everybody.. and while we are at it lets burn all the history and medical books in the libraries.
You would seriously compare removing pictures of a parent's dead child at the request of the parent the same as burning down libraries, medical books and other Fahrenheit 451?

Even more shocking, you'd say that they are one in the same?

2513.9.2008 11:38
13thHouR
Inactive

Originally posted by atomicxl :
You would seriously compare removing pictures of a parent's dead child at the request of the parent the same as burning down libraries, medical books and other Fahrenheit 451?

Even more shocking, you'd say that they are one in the same?
ok lets clarify this for you, as you obviously do not understand the word censor.

censor = http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censor

Quote:
1. an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc., for the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds.
2. any person who supervises the manners or morality of others.
3. an adverse critic; faultfinder.
4. (in the ancient Roman republic) either of two officials who kept the register or census of the citizens, awarded public contracts, and supervised manners and morals.
5. (in early Freudian dream theory) the force that represses ideas, impulses, and feelings, and prevents them from entering consciousness in their original, undisguised forms.
–verb (used with object)
6. to examine and act upon as a censor.
7. to delete (a word or passage of text) in one's capacity as a censor.
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2613.9.2008 12:01
varnull
Inactive

The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.. The ruin of a nation begins in the homes of its people.

You seek to censor me, you seek to be the guardian of "common morality".. you are the censor, the remover and the oppressor. You are the festering evil.

You say they are not the same.. yet they are.. remove ONE THING and more will follow until there is nothing left.. then you will cry in the darkness and we will laugh at you for being so short sighted.

You are not the guardian of my decisions or my choices.. Your decency is not my decency, your "compassion" is not my compassion.. your morals are not my morals.

If you demand to be the censor and dictator of my decisions, compassion and morality then bring your sword for we will meet at dawn.

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2713.9.2008 12:14

Originally posted by DRokKer:
About time they cut ties with these media whores. they just suck you in and then drop you when they think it will suit them or there lobbyists.
the media are running scared the internet is taking away there hold on the masses. while ever we have forums to discus and share the truth about what's really going on in the world, they are withered.

@ rosetta have you considered the strong possibility that the whole thing was staged by a member/s of the media. how hard would it be for a reporter with no story, to go and acquire these pictures and upload them. then contact the children's family and ask them if they are aware of what's on pirate bay. how did the farther find out they are on the net? who told him? why does he believe that the pirate bay is responsible? these are questions the media should be investigating IMO.

maybe you are right and it was a stage. Maybe not i don't care to go round in circles with that one. I am no fan of the media, my post didnt support them in any way.

2813.9.2008 12:49

Quote:
Originally posted by subpopz :
Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?
you know i think that is the rhetoric that the USA government used against ogrish.com (what if someone had posted pictures of one of their kids) when it had a freedom of speech policy before they were taken down because too many ppl saw the reality of Afghanistan and Iraq, especially after videos of US troops using white phosphorus in fallujah, iraq appeared, the site was taken off of the net the very next day and now you get directed to liveleak (208.71.130.253) which is heavily moderated by pro american ding bats.


but still many videos appear showing the reality of the Amercian led occupations around the globe, and where do they appear, why the piratebay and mininova.

keep ppl dumb and control them through fear: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OnserZOf1-4

any restriction of free speech is bad, it is your choice to view content, don't force your opinions on others to restrict the flow of information that is oppression.

Romani ite domum

Its the same excuse every time, Afghanistan this Afghanistan that. I agree that yes we need to know what is going on in the world (but I do not want access to this content, its wasted on me, I would never dream of download it) but come on now how can you compare that situation to this. a War in the middle east, soldiers and civilians alike throwing bombs and shooting eachother in cold blood vs two murdered children whose father is in emotional turmoil. No one is forcing their opinion on you, thats just your interpretation. People (like you) are just expressing their opinion.

Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.
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2913.9.2008 12:56

Pirate Bay for President!

3013.9.2008 13:01

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?

Are you really that daft? They have moderators going through 24/7 to get rid of stuff like that.
I wish the idiots would just skim past my posts since they obviously don't see the correlation. If he is proudly hanging out pictures or links of someones dead children out there, how far of a stretch is it to say he would allow links to nude pics of them? He is only a stones throw away from do i ng so. Give it a few years, and he might even endorse it. Slippery slope and all that.

Nothing but a horde of sick nazis IMHO.
youre stupid. There is 0 correlation.

3113.9.2008 13:05

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by subpopz :
Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?
you know i think that is the rhetoric that the USA government used against ogrish.com (what if someone had posted pictures of one of their kids) when it had a freedom of speech policy before they were taken down because too many ppl saw the reality of Afghanistan and Iraq, especially after videos of US troops using white phosphorus in fallujah, iraq appeared, the site was taken off of the net the very next day and now you get directed to liveleak (208.71.130.253) which is heavily moderated by pro american ding bats.


but still many videos appear showing the reality of the Amercian led occupations around the globe, and where do they appear, why the piratebay and mininova.

keep ppl dumb and control them through fear: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OnserZOf1-4

any restriction of free speech is bad, it is your choice to view content, don't force your opinions on others to restrict the flow of information that is oppression.

Romani ite domum

Its the same excuse every time, Afghanistan this Afghanistan that. I agree that yes we need to know what is going on in the world (but I do not want access to this content, its wasted on me, I would never dream of download it) but come on now how can you compare that situation to this. a War in the middle east, soldiers and civilians alike throwing bombs and shooting eachother in cold blood vs two murdered children whose father is in emotional turmoil. No one is forcing their opinion on you, thats just your interpretation. People (like you) are just expressing their opinion.

Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.
youre stupid too. The line is drawn by legal issues, not personal ones. If having autopsy pictures of murdered children was THAT bad, people would vote and make it a punishable offense, and then it would be legitimate to take them down. Since its not a law, nor is it bad enough to become law, there is no reason to take them down. People might think its nice to take them down, but once you start to censor based on personal opinion, then you have to deal with media bias.

3213.9.2008 13:12

if we take these pics down, why not take down pics of all autopsies, and dead bodies. They all have parents too. Its like a comedian, you can only make fun of something if you make fun of everything.

3313.9.2008 13:23
varnull
Inactive

Quote:
Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.
If it was legal and public domain information then yes, it would be allowed!

I'm not seeking to change anything.. it is others demanding it be taken down who are seeking to change things. The only thing that can and will be changed is my opinion of some of the posters in this thread.

There is content on afterdawn which is illegal under the terms of the DMCA. so that should be removed too? How about taking down afterdawn itself for providing the information needed to break this law?? It may be illegal in the USA,(and other countries which signed up in secret) but it isn't illegal in other countries.

Now I'm pretty sure if you send your IP to the admins of TPB they will happily block you from the site and the tracker.. so there is no need for any more hysterics about 1% of a public report upload.

Now back to the news article.. Regardless of promises the media tried to spin this and set somebody up.. liars and breakers of promises.. The people who should be suffering the wrath of the "outraged mob" are the TV company who behave in such an underhand way, not Peter and the pirate bay admins who are .. or were happy to talk about it and put the arguments for freedom of information before the public.. How can people trust anything they broadcast ever again? I hope this broadcast has been posted all over to show how lowlife and scummy this tv company are.

3413.9.2008 17:35

Yeah, thanks a lot TPB! Instead of champions of copyright reform, this incident will put you into the class of extremists that "traditional media" has already labeled you. Idiots! You should have just took it down. How hard is it, really? This event could be enough to change the course of history as we know it, forever. Piratbyran will never gain any political ground now.

3513.9.2008 19:06

sorry for double post. please see below :P

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3613.9.2008 19:18

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Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.

If it was legal and public domain information then yes, it would be allowed!

I'm not seeking to change anything.. it is others demanding it be taken down who are seeking to change things. The only thing that can and will be changed is my opinion of some of the posters in this thread.

There is content on afterdawn which is illegal under the terms of the DMCA. so that should be removed too? How about taking down afterdawn itself for providing the information needed to break this law?? It may be illegal in the USA,(and other countries which signed up in secret) but it isn't illegal in other countries.

Now I'm pretty sure if you send your IP to the admins of TPB they will happily block you from the site and the tracker.. so there is no need for any more hysterics about 1% of a public report upload.

Now back to the news article.. Regardless of promises the media tried to spin this and set somebody up.. liars and breakers of promises.. The people who should be suffering the wrath of the "outraged mob" are the TV company who behave in such an underhand way, not Peter and the pirate bay admins who are .. or were happy to talk about it and put the arguments for freedom of information before the public.. How can people trust anything they broadcast ever again? I hope this broadcast has been posted all over to show how lowlife and scummy this tv company are.


such an extriemest. how is afterdawn and its articles causing anyone emotional turmoil and causing stress, are there pics of murdered children here, i think not. u are taking what i said a bit to far.

my point in this debate it where do we as human beings draw the line on matters like this, are you really saying that you cant see any sense in that, i certaily can understand what you are saying and i agree to a point but as i said before, i am in the removal camp on this particular issue (my opinion only i reitterate that).
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3713.9.2008 21:11

Originally posted by jetyi83:
Pirate Bay for President!
Knock off the meaningless posts, stop multiposting and stop calling others stupid. All of these are in the forum rules (yes, they apply to the news discussions too) which a link can be found in my sig.

To everyone else, while this article is connected to the autopsy pics it is not about the autopsy pics, but about Sunde's so called set-up and his reaction and actions. Please use the TPB autopsy thread for discussion on that topic and lets get this thread back on track.


3813.9.2008 21:39
varnull
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I think anybody with anything more to say on the subject should take it over to the bays forums where we don't have to guard our words for fear of the rules... because there is the same freedom of speech and information practiced in the forums as in the torrent links.

Go on.. I dare you to try your "outraged morality censorship" crap in the den of vipers .. heh heh heh

There must be elections due in Sweden or something for the media to spin it like this.. I smell Brein all over it.

3913.9.2008 21:41

Some people just dont know when to quit. u got ur opinion and others have theirs. simple as.

listen to what the admin as said THE POST JUST ABOVE YOURS and get back in topic

4013.9.2008 22:28

Quote:
sig nazis beware.. Im coming to get you
Good thing I'm just a thread title nazi ;)


4113.9.2008 23:21
varnull
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Yes rosetta.. it seems you don't know when to quit do you?

Slagging match will now ensue.. come back when you have maybe 3650 more posts to your account eh?



I seem to be the only person making any RELEVANT comments about the article.. everybody else.. especially YOU is off topic.

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4214.9.2008 1:32

I'm amazed at how people are so enraged at TPB for tracking this torrent, but they don't fly off the handle about the fact that the government itself also makes these documents publicly available. I doubt this story would have received a shred of media coverage or criticism if the files had been posted to Usenet, or Megaupload. With TPB, everyone feels like they have to become judgmental and take it upon themselves to decide where the line between decency and principles must be drawn.

Everyone seemed so happy with TPB and their total non-censorship policy, until it got *their* nose bent out of shape. *Then* TPB's policy was unacceptable! No offense intended towards anyone (you're all entitled to your opinions), but it seems like a pompous double standard, IMHO.

If the entertainment industry really is behind this whole mess (which wouldn't surprise me in the least), it would seem that their new divide-and-conquer technique is quite effective.

4314.9.2008 4:40

I know this much, If I was that father I would be asking who took the pic/why/what other ones dose that person have of my kids/is any of them show their death and if so their killer? Not hide them. varnull is right.
varnull, you must keep in mind two thing, "PEOPLE" are stupid, "individuals" are smart. What dose that mean? when people gather to "stand for " whatever they want, there brains stop working,they believe anything an EVERYTHING told to them no matter how wrong or false it is.
No matter how smart a person is if they are only willing to listen to those who "perch" "that they know all truths so just follow us don't think and ever thing will be alright. view everything as races against you ," and so on, then they are stupid. And scene they can only "feel" you will never get them to see the truth. After all look at all the people thay are against you in this.
And the other thing is that most people refuse to see the full truth Case in point "subpopz" said "Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this? " If he\she was a true believer in "un-censorship" and "free speech" then they would not of said that. One of the thing they can't comprehend is if you are against censorship then you are against "ALL CENSORSHIP". You can't say "well I want to view this so there should be no censorship on it, but I disagree with that so it should be censored". and as for his\her commit "They censor child porn,"
subpopz, wile it's a sad truth "child porn has been around scene the creation of the word "porn" it will always be around. and try as some might you can find it anywhere If you really want it. Another truth "a child no matter what there age maybe can and will have sex if they really want it". "AND that there will always be an adult that would be willing to help that child{have sex whit}. Now don't get me wrong, I don't support child exploitation, abuse,rape, or porn or gay rights, mirages and so. Why ? How can you say only this "ALTERNATIVE LIVE CHOSE" is right and not any others? If you support one alt. life chose them you support them all. And as far as we know in 10 or 20 years "child porn, mirages" may be l legal. It is after only viewed as illegal because the population doesn't except it.

If you don't agree with something then don't download it and look at it or support it by telling other people about it. But when people say that " well after I downloaded it and looked at all the pics and vids I say it should be banded and censorship needs to be applied. because you have already supported it by downloading it.

4414.9.2008 20:02

Varnull has been slagging other people in posts not just me, why hasnt that been addressed? i have not slagged anyone off and have made sure that what i am saying is my opinion only and not what MUST be done.

you can go to another forum if you dont like the rules here, somewhere you dont have to adhere to your so called "outraged morality censorship" you talk a load of crap.

how dare you mention the fact i have less posts than you. so i am new to the site what is the problem with that. do not discriminate against me because i am a 'newbie' with an opinion.

you always have to have the last say, you have issues you need to deal with outside of lame rants online, get a life and stop being arrogant. you view isnt the only one. you are not right, there is no right and wrong here only opinions and decisions tpb have made not you. and if you had it your way the world would be a terrible place.

now i know you will be sitting at your pc attempting to reply to this in as witty a way as possible to try and make me look bad so just go ahead and do that if it makes you feel better, i for one am now going to be the bigger person, allow you to have the last word you seem to so crave for and ignore your irrelevent attacks from here on in.

its a shame that i have had to stoop to your level just to get my point of view (WHICH IS RELEVENT) accross. i may get banned for this but sometimes a person just needs to be told they aint the business, and you Sir are one of them.

4514.9.2008 20:06

Rosetta
Defrance between a noob and a mod/stafer, sometimes people are blinded by mob mentality or the appearance of absolute "right".

The pictures in this case are that of a crime, leaked to the public or not its public information no different that what is showen on TV in the 24 hour new regurgitation cycle.

Funny thing about TV its been sterilized for the protection of man and because its sterile it can control man though information that appears to be true.

4614.9.2008 20:08
varnull
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The difference is.. some of us understand that things are as they are because.. and we would rather they be like they are than to give up all control to those who would dictate our thoughts and opinions to us.

Life sucks.. get used to it!

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4714.9.2008 20:14

Originally posted by varnull:



The difference is.. some of us understand that things are as they are because.. and we would rather they be like they are than to give up all control to those who would dictate our thoughts and opinions to us.

Life sucks.. get used to it!
*clap clap clap*


Also why is uurrr sig hitting on me?? 0-o...or am I the only one who sees it talking to me.... :P

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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4814.9.2008 20:20
varnull
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Look into my eyes..... buy spore.. buy spore...

4914.9.2008 20:22

Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Rosetta
Defrance between a noob and a mod/stafer, sometimes people are blinded by mob mentality or the appearance of absolute "right".

The pictures in this case are that of a crime, leaked to the public or not its public information no different that what is showen on TV in the 24 hour new regurgitation cycle.

Funny thing about TV its been sterilized for the protection of man and because its sterile it can control man though information that appears to be true.
yeh i can see what you are saying, that and thank you for being civil :D

5014.9.2008 20:26

Originally posted by Rosetta:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Rosetta
Defrance between a noob and a mod/stafer, sometimes people are blinded by mob mentality or the appearance of absolute "right".

The pictures in this case are that of a crime, leaked to the public or not its public information no different that what is showen on TV in the 24 hour new regurgitation cycle.

Funny thing about TV its been sterilized for the protection of man and because its sterile it can control man though information that appears to be true.
yeh i can see what you are saying, that and thank you for being civil :D
I try very hard to keep my drool clear and tasty for all :P

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.

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5114.9.2008 20:28

varnull i actually thought your pic was cool and clever.

I dont believe in having thoughts dictated to me or to anyone, i am not a fan on the media and this article brands them in an even worse light than before. tpb got punked by the media and that isnt right regardless. they have shown themselves to be sly and decieving and has lost integrity.

funny because when i read that comic you did i associated it to my views on the issue, where as you did it to espress your own which is different to mine (to a degree :P)

5215.9.2008 17:45

I like tpb however they do they need to check some crap torrents that get uploaded.

5317.9.2008 15:46

I'm all for freedom of speech and TPB and totally agree with their response to the media, however I think they should have taken it off for now at least if only for the sake of the kids father..

5418.9.2008 0:23

Notoriously tasteless Chicago Radio Talk show host Steve Dahl was pretty rebellious years ago but proved he had a heart (at least a conscious) by stopping the on-air broadcast of one his many satirically spoofy songs (Pink Floyd's - Another "brick in the wall" / Another "kid in the crawl") in reference to serial killer John Wayne Gacy's 33 victims under his house. One of the boy's fathers was a fan and asked him to stop and from what I remember way back when, he complied. I think sometimes a blanket policy/principle can be grayed a bit with some good old fashioned respect for a grieving parent - c'mon people.

5520.9.2008 20:50

The fire needs to be forced differently. The father should beat and/or sue the ever living crap out of the person who took/leaked the photos.

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