Xbox 360 outsells PS3 3-to-1 on Black Friday

wait.... You mean other stores were selling the 360 for 199.99$ too?!?!

... So we trampled that employee for NOTHING?!!!!

Seriously though, that is impressive. Let's hope the sales are a profitable investment as many of these are rumored to be the (yet to be proven reliable) jasper model.

I hope all them suckers bought the old models, makes it easier for me when I wanna get the Jasper. j/k

What was the price for Black Friday? Isn't 199 the arcade price?

Anyone know if the PS3 was any cheaper and how many games were bundled?

4 of those live members are on my machine.

I'm just going 2 wait and buy one when they are as cheap as the regular xbox. :) Then open it up and mod away. Games suck anywayz besides halo.

I didn't think they sold regular xbox anymore. How cheap do people really expect systems to go? If Halo is the only great game, what would be some ideal games?
With RLOD possible on any future system you might buy you might wanna wait 3 years before you plan on modding it.

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I'm just going 2 wait and buy one when they are as cheap as the regular xbox. :) Then open it up and mod away. Games suck anywayz besides halo.

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Halo??? Xbox360 has a lot of great games but there is no way to find out for yourself if you are too cheap to buy the console. $199 is the sweetspot price.


I kinda expected this kind of sales for the holiday with the release of GOW2, some other great titles and the price drop.

199, yeah my Local big box (frys) was selling 199 arcade with 20gb hd upgrade, 5 arcade games & 5 other games (prolly platinum or& family games, ya know the ones for $5-10) They are getting rid of all of those old 20gb drives b4 they upgraded the mid level to 60gb!

Its gonna be a big Christmas for 360. The time is right in Europe for sure. £129.99 is an amazing price.
Can't say about the US because don't live there.
But Seriously Sony don't have a chance.

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Tell me your joking
Please...

With the recent price cuts for X360, i wouldn't be surprised to see a good holiday sales season for M$.

This is funny. I love seeing how people always try to down the PS3. Yes the 360 arcade was $199 and the PS3 was $399. That's a shoppers no brainer for cost. But to honestly say the 360 is better is a joke. Yes they have more games out, but it's a lower quality system period. The hype is what makes people who's better than who. I personal prefer my Ps3 hands down to my 360. But the only real edge was online play. Now since Sony has made improvements, I really can't say that with a straight face. Free is just for me. Oh and to those that bought $199 system. By the time you get your HD, $50+ online membership and so forth. You will bought your self a premium system.

There were some amazing 360 deals on BF. Many included the Arcade bundle with multiple games, controllers, HDD or all of the above for or at the entry price of $200.

Personally, I wish I would've waited to buy my 360. It's loud, gets too hot (even outside the cabinet) and was a waste of money considering the other SKU's available now at a lower price.

If Sony would drop the price on the PS3 to a "sweet spot" and get Blu-Ray disc prices competitive with DVD (and no, I'm not talking about 10+ year old BF discount offerings) then they would have another customer right here. I find the AVCHD and other codec offerings, plus the ability to upgrade with your own drive, all advantages that the 360 doesn't "yet" have.

Mik3h, don't need a flamewar so be careful as thunder is in the distance.

Originally posted by Mik3h:

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Ps3 are 1000000000000000000x better...ur all noobs

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Now see these are the type of post i cant stand. Doesnot matter what console it refers to but a post of this such is just childish. If ever we see a fanboy here is his post above. It is straight to the point, immature and has no valid points made with a supporting aurgument. These are also the type that cause flames so man please chill out.

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This is funny. I love seeing how people always try to down the PS3. Yes the 360 arcade was $199 and the PS3 was $399. That's a shoppers no brainer for cost. But to honestly say the 360 is better is a joke. Yes they have more games out, but it's a lower quality system period. The hype is what makes people who's better than who. I personal prefer my Ps3 hands down to my 360. But the only real edge was online play. Now since Sony has made improvements, I really can't say that with a straight face. Free is just for me. Oh and to those that bought $199 system. By the time you get your HD, $50+ online membership and so forth. You will bought your self a premium system.

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This is a good post. The guy elaborates with his point and doesnot post like some eight year old.

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This is funny. I love seeing how people always try to down the PS3.

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The only problem i have with it is that no one actually downed the PS3 if you read back on the previous post. There was a post

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Its gonna be a big Christmas for 360. The time is right in Europe for sure. £129.99 is an amazing price.Can't say about the US because don't live there.
But Seriously Sony don't have a chance.

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and that is basically the truth. PS3 dont stand a chance if they cant get a competitive price and that will remain true regardless which system people believe to be the better deal or better period.

I am not downing either console but the xbox360 will continue to outsell the PS3 b/c of price and that is a fact i would put money on. Its a nobrainer.

Originally posted by lecsiy:

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Tell me your joking
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Seeing Mike around for over 3 years I can guarantee he was joking xD

Originally posted by spydah:

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This is funny. I love seeing how people always try to down the PS3. Yes the 360 arcade was $199 and the PS3 was $399. That's a shoppers no brainer for cost. But to honestly say the 360 is better is a joke. Yes they have more games out, but it's a lower quality system period. The hype is what makes people who's better than who. I personal prefer my Ps3 hands down to my 360. But the only real edge was online play. Now since Sony has made improvements, I really can't say that with a straight face. Free is just for me. Oh and to those that bought $199 system. By the time you get your HD, $50+ online membership and so forth. You will bought your self a premium system.

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On one hand your saying price shouldnt factor into it too much and in a non explained statement saying the ps3 is better. then 2 seconds later your saying the online for sony is free and thats for you which contradicts your whole "prices" view. Your whole argument points to price and the ps3 at the end of the day is more expensive. The ps3 is the 360 with blu-ray and a somewhat worse game selection. not by much but somewhat, and its more expensive. when people see the ps3 all they see is $$$$$$$ going out the window on the console, the blu-ray movies.

Originally posted by Mik3h:

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Ps3 are 1000000000000000000x better...ur all noobs

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lol, that made me a pretty good laugh, always nice to break the tension. Ill refrain from commenting on this since I already made a post about my feelings in the PS3 section. Ill just some it up by saying Sony dropped the ball.

Wasn't me that posted that.

Don't leave yourself logged in while your at internet cafe and go for something to drink, else things like that happen!

Ignore the post, I certainly didn't mean it. (Or post it!)

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Tell me your joking
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Seeing Mike around for over 3 years I can guarantee he was joking xD

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Thanks DVD for the vote of confidence! Yeah there's no way I'd post something like that. I'm lucky I wasn't logged into my email or even into my bank account.

Worst excuse ever!

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Worst excuse ever!

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Sometimes it's good to come across a thread or a news article where a member with the status "newbie" has a lot of information and wisdom in regards to the topic at hand which even at times, can surpass that of a member with the "Senior" or even "Addict title".

Unfortunately, this time, that definitely does not seem to be the case. Unless you happened to be at a particular internet cafe, in a particular city, in Scotland, sitting in perfect view of me, I don't think anything you say can have any element of truth in it.

yeh but did i saw you at the internet cafe you didnt wertn even thare!!!!!11

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yeh but did i saw you at the internet cafe you didnt wertn even thare!!!!!11

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Wait, so you did see me there.. but at the same time I "wertn even thare!!!1" as you put it?

i was mocking your attempt at calling me a newbie. :)

i never implied you werent at the internet cafe. i can bet my guide dog on it that you werent though. lame excuse. lame.lame.lame.lame. but ps3 is better than xbox :)

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i was mocking your attempt at calling me a newbie. :)

i never implied you werent at the internet cafe. i can bet my guide dog on it that you werent though. lame excuse. lame.lame.lame.lame. but ps3 is better than xbox :)

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I'll hold myself back from arguing with you any further, since it's obvious you've admitted defeat in trying to persuade me that you were watching me this afternoon.

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but ps3 is better than xbox :)

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Glad to see you're getting back to the relevant topic, it's easy to say X is better than X, but care to say why this is?

cos of blue-ray-ur-gay HAHAHAHA

in comes moderator after that post above ^^^^^^

Shut your pie hole, shorty.


what do you know your just a newbie!!!!

Here is the problem though do we really even know the 3RROD won't appear on these new XBox 360 systems.Microsoft has already released multiple version motherboards trying to solve this problem.The figure 3 to 1 doesn't really mean much if systems are being repaired which costs M$ money including the customer.I think even after looking at the PS3 I'm seeing systems fail as well,but not as much as the XBox 360.I consider them equal in terms of quality both having different attributes that compensate each other.If we could combine the two it would create a perfect system.I would like to see a system built like the PS3,but have the same game library the XBox 360 offers.I think free online play is a good trend also,and if you have to pay for online then its not worth it.Lets be honest with ourselves who really wants to pay for a service you could get for free to begin with.If paying to play online makes XBox Live the greatest thing ever.How about this I will make a deal with everyone!!! If you get a PS3 you can pay me the price of an XBox Live membership,and it will be awesome because your paying for it.

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I think free online play is a good trend also,and if you have to pay for online then its not worth it.Lets be honest with ourselves who really wants to pay for a service you could get for free to begin with.If paying to play online makes XBox Live the greatest thing ever.How about this I will make a deal with everyone!!! If you get a PS3 you can pay me the price of an XBox Live membership,and it will be awesome because your paying for it.

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Thing is though, L. With Xbox Live not being free, Microsoft has more money to buy servers for the number of players playing online, meaning online play will never be laggy and the servers for the games will never close, because people are paying for them. And paying money for Live, also means more downloadable content for individual games, I'm sure the developers would be more inclined to develope extra downloadable content for the 360 system games, because they are making money from it.

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I think free online play is a good trend also,and if you have to pay for online then its not worth it.Lets be honest with ourselves who really wants to pay for a service you could get for free to begin with.If paying to play online makes XBox Live the greatest thing ever.How about this I will make a deal with everyone!!! If you get a PS3 you can pay me the price of an XBox Live membership,and it will be awesome because your paying for it.

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Thing is though, L. With Xbox Live not being free, Microsoft has more money to buy servers for the number of players playing online, meaning online play will never be laggy and the servers for the games will never close, because people are paying for them. And paying money for Live, also means more downloadable content for individual games, I'm sure the developers would be more inclined to develope extra downloadable content for the 360 system games, because they are making money from it.

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If this is true then it sounds like both companies are doing a bad job with online gaming in general.Sony doesn't have the funds to put into online gaming so it sucks,but Microsoft can because they have people paying for it right? Well when you purchase a game that can go online you should get what you pay for,which means the developers of the game you just purchased from should supply the cost for online play.The games for both of these systems are not cheap,so expectations should be met.

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I think free online play is a good trend also,and if you have to pay for online then its not worth it.Lets be honest with ourselves who really wants to pay for a service you could get for free to begin with.If paying to play online makes XBox Live the greatest thing ever.How about this I will make a deal with everyone!!! If you get a PS3 you can pay me the price of an XBox Live membership,and it will be awesome because your paying for it.

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Thing is though, L. With Xbox Live not being free, Microsoft has more money to buy servers for the number of players playing online, meaning online play will never be laggy and the servers for the games will never close, because people are paying for them. And paying money for Live, also means more downloadable content for individual games, I'm sure the developers would be more inclined to develope extra downloadable content for the 360 system games, because they are making money from it.

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If this is true then it sounds like both companies are doing a bad job with online gaming in general.Sony doesn't have the funds to put into online gaming so it sucks,but Microsoft can because they have people paying for it right? Well when you purchase a game that can go online you should get what you pay for,which means the developers of the game you just purchased from should supply the cost for online play.The games for both of these systems are not cheap,so expectations should be met.

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That's true, but you have to remember that both companies are companies who's prime objectives are to earn money, not customer satisfaction.

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That's true, but you have to remember that both companies are companies who's prime objectives are to earn money, not customer satisfaction.

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You hit the nail on the coffin bro,and this is why a perfect system will never be built.They both ignore what the customer wants or should be obligated to in the first place.

@wylieb0y
With those great posts (not) looks like it's time to take a little vacation so here's 1 week. During that time please read the rules.

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That's true, but you have to remember that both companies are companies who's prime objectives are to earn money, not customer satisfaction.

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You hit the nail on the coffin bro,and this is why a perfect system will never be built.They both ignore what the customer wants or should be obligated to in the first place.

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Very true, its better to be a high c or b student in this sense. if they made this insanley great console they would set the bar too high for the next one. this too applies to games. I.E madden is a big example they generally add stupid features such as superstar which only a small portion of people can tolerate. madden vision which i loved but most didnt. They add features and take away every year. even though the feature they added the "last" year and that was the allure to getting that newest edition. a year latet that feature is gone making you think wtf.kinda in a rush so clearly my thought process didnt gel on this post...

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Wasn't me that posted that.

Don't leave yourself logged in while your at internet cafe and go for something to drink, else things like that happen!

Ignore the post, I certainly didn't mean it. (Or post it!)

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LOL.... You are lucky that is all that happened. Worst case scenario they could have posted with your account and then took your laptop.
Please disregard my earlier remarks. I just like to see people post and elaborate on their opinions more than just leave an unexplained, naked opinion in a post. LOL

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Originally posted by Mik3h:

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Ps3 are 1000000000000000000x better...ur all noobs

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Now see these are the type of post i cant stand. Doesnot matter what console it refers to but a post of this such is just childish. If ever we see a fanboy here is his post above. It is straight to the point, immature and has no valid points made with a supporting aurgument. These are also the type that cause flames so man please chill out.

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This is funny. I love seeing how people always try to down the PS3. Yes the 360 arcade was $199 and the PS3 was $399. That's a shoppers no brainer for cost. But to honestly say the 360 is better is a joke. Yes they have more games out, but it's a lower quality system period. The hype is what makes people who's better than who. I personal prefer my Ps3 hands down to my 360. But the only real edge was online play. Now since Sony has made improvements, I really can't say that with a straight face. Free is just for me. Oh and to those that bought $199 system. By the time you get your HD, $50+ online membership and so forth. You will bought your self a premium system.

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This is a good post. The guy elaborates with his point and doesnot post like some eight year old.

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This is funny. I love seeing how people always try to down the PS3.

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The only problem i have with it is that no one actually downed the PS3 if you read back on the previous post. There was a post

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Its gonna be a big Christmas for 360. The time is right in Europe for sure. £129.99 is an amazing price.Can't say about the US because don't live there.
But Seriously Sony don't have a chance.

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and that is basically the truth. PS3 dont stand a chance if they cant get a competitive price and that will remain true regardless which system people believe to be the better deal or better period.

I am not downing either console but the xbox360 will continue to outsell the PS3 b/c of price and that is a fact i would put money on. Its a nobrainer.

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The only problem i have with it is that no one actually downed the PS3 if you read back on the previous post. There was a post

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Just to clear up what I was saying. It was just more or less a general statement. As we have seen with any PS3 vs 360 comparison, some folks just enjoy throwing Sony under the bus. I know this is off topic but I wish that stuff would stop. I like both systems but again the quality isn't there for the 360 for me. Black Friday is always a good day to pick of some insane deals and the price of the standard 360 at $199 and the PS3 at $399 will always attract parents on a budget. To the more spend happy consumer, that price will mean nothing and they will get what fits their personal needs.

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Originally posted by spydah:

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This is funny. I love seeing how people always try to down the PS3. Yes the 360 arcade was $199 and the PS3 was $399. That's a shoppers no brainer for cost. But to honestly say the 360 is better is a joke. Yes they have more games out, but it's a lower quality system period. The hype is what makes people who's better than who. I personal prefer my Ps3 hands down to my 360. But the only real edge was online play. Now since Sony has made improvements, I really can't say that with a straight face. Free is just for me. Oh and to those that bought $199 system. By the time you get your HD, $50+ online membership and so forth. You will bought your self a premium system.

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On one hand your saying price shouldnt factor into it too much and in a non explained statement saying the ps3 is better. then 2 seconds later your saying the online for sony is free and thats for you which contradicts your whole "prices" view. Your whole argument points to price and the ps3 at the end of the day is more expensive. The ps3 is the 360 with blu-ray and a somewhat worse game selection. not by much but somewhat, and its more expensive. when people see the ps3 all they see is $$$$$$$ going out the window on the console, the blu-ray movies.

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Honestly we can sit here and argue facts on cost. My cost will be different from your cost. For instance, I only paid $320 for my PS3 60GB model with 2 controllers, 4 games, and a HDMI cable. I paid $490 for my 360 when it came out. That was just for that system alone. Now the point im saying is, we will never agree on what cost are worst. Now again another off topic comment. I have been through 4 360 since that point. If you think that makes the 360 better than more power to you and ya struggles to keep your system alive. But to sit here and say the 360 has better games is all a matter of opinion. The first year of the 360 a bunch of crappy titles. I know I paid for some. The PS3 has had their slow run promoting Blu-ray. As I stated before so many commenting folks like ya self enjoy throwing Sony under the bus for the wrong reasons. Their system has been very reliable.

Now if I had a choice on Black Friday as a person that didn't have a system it would be a PS3. Not for this fanboyish way of thinking but to make sure I will have my system next week. Plus they have the better game line-up this year.

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Plus they have the better game line-up this year.

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Care to elaborate.
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From what i've heard and i repeat heard haven't done any research for myself so cant confirm. Is that they're only exclusive is:
Abba Hits Singstar.

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Wasn't me that posted that.

Don't leave yourself logged in while your at internet cafe and go for something to drink, else things like that happen!

Ignore the post, I certainly didn't mean it. (Or post it!)

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Thank god. You have now restored my already beaten and small faith in the AD ranking system.
I have seen you around and it didn't seem the kind of thing you would say.
Anyway.

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@wylieb0y
With those great posts (not) looks like it's time to take a little vacation so here's 1 week. During that time please read the rules.

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Vacation? hehehe

Exclusives off the top of my head this year Sony has had

MGS4
Motorstorm 2
Resistance 2
GT5P
Afrika
Socom
LBP
Wipeout HD

Some 2009 Exclusive PS3 titles

Killzone2
Uncharted 2
GT5
God Of War 3
MAG
DC Universe
Heavy Rain
inFamous
White Knight Chronicles
Wardevil
FFvs13

And that is nowhere near what was available in 2008 and planned for 2009 (exclusive & multiplatform). Sony hands down has the most 1st & 2nd party studios in the industry ~

* Clap Hanz – Everybody's Golf series
* Polyphony Digital – Gran Turismo series
* SCE Japan Studio (Project Siren Team, etc.) – Ape Escape series, LocoRoco
* Team ICO – ICO, Shadow of the Colossus
* Incognito Entertainment – Twisted Metal series, Warhawk
* Naughty Dog – Jak & Daxter series, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
* SCE Bend Studio (formerly Eidetic) – Syphon Filter series
* SCE Foster City Studio – Jet Li: Rise to Honor
* SCE San Diego Studio – NBA series, MLB: The Show series
* SCE Santa Monica Studio – God of War series
* Sony Online Entertainment LLC. – EverQuest, Star Wars Galaxies
* Zipper Interactive – SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs series, Massive Action Game
* Bigbig Studios – Pursuit Force
* Evolution Studios – World Rally Championship series, MotorStorm
* Guerrilla Games – Killzone series
* SCE London Studio (includes Team SOHO & Camden) – The Getaway series, SingStar series
* SCE Studio Cambridge (formerly Millennium Interactive) – MediEvil series
* SCE Studio Liverpool (formerly Psygnosis) – Wipeout series, F1 series
* SCE Korea – EyeToy: EduKids, GloRace: Phantastic Carnival
* Quantic Dream, Indigo Prophecy, Heavy Rain
* Media Molecule, Rag Doll Kung Fu, Little Big Planet
* thatgamecompany, flOw, flower
* Q Games, Pixel Junk Racers, Pixel Junk Eden, Pixel Junk Monsters
* Insomniac Games, Spyro, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance

and again that's not all of them

In order to stay competitive, Microsoft HAS to buy multi-platform status for 3rd party titles. Unfortunately, even if EVERY 3rd party publisher went multi-platform, the Playstation 3 would STILL have more exclusives thanks to Sony's huge stable of 1st and 2nd party developers. they have the largest stable of in house devs in the industry (including EA and Activision, who also have large stables). they have more studios than MS and Nintendo COMBINED.

MS and Nintendo simply can't compete with Sony on a first and second party level. Here's a list of the in house studios that MS has either closed down, or have gone independent (meaning they can make games for WHATEVER console they choose):

* Ensemble: Pending dissolution (and partial absorption) as of September 9, 2008 (to be finalized after the completion of Halo Wars)
* Bungie: Became an independent studio on October 1, 2007
* Carbonated Games: Dissolved on March 27, 2008
* Digital Anvil: Dissolved on January 31, 2006.
* Hired Gun: Dissolved shortly after Halo 2 launch for PC
* FASA Interactive: The studio was closed on September 12, 2007.[7]
* Indie Built: Sold off to Take 2 in October
* Bizarre jumping ship
* Bioware went multiplatform

Along with 1 additional outside dev everybody knows - Epic of which has been heard to be working on Gears 2 for the PS3...YES YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT GEARS 2. There has been mumblings of them posting on the Unreal Network internal developer forum there is a sticky that says "Do not ask for copies of Gears of War 2 on the PS3. We are only sending out copies of games that have already shipped to retail." along with leaving some files on their server in the wrong place that showed bug reports for the PS3 version (and we all know it is possible as UT3 runs damned good on the PS3). Now that is in no way a 100% confirmation as even I am taking that with less than a grain of salt but it has been known that Gears 3 is planned for a release on the PS3 (along with Mass Effect but that is a separate discussion) so take that info how ever you would like.

Source 1 ~ Analyst: Gears of War 3 on PS3 a possibility

Source 2 ~ Mass Effect and Gears of War 3 Predicted For PS3

Source 3 ~ N'Gai Croal: Gears of War 3 Predicted For PS3

Funny thing is when you think about it it starts to make sense since Epic is only tied to MS for 2 games and that has been fulfilled. That along with Epic owning the Copyrights, Trademarks, IP and such makes for a pretty strong argument along with some simple math makes it hard to not see how this COULD play out....if Epic sold Gears 1, 2 & 3 on the PS3 @ $60 ea. and sold an average of say 5 Million for each title then that could possibly be sales reaching 900 Million! Hell even if the PS3 only got 2 & 3 that would still equate to easily over 600 Million, and I don't think MS is going to (or can) shell out anywhere near what they need to be able to entice Epic any longer. But we shall see.

As for the 360 "outselling" the PS3 3-1 on Black Friday...That's cool but you have to remember that is only US Numbers for 1 day. Though in all honesty I have to say that MS will probably take YTD sales over the PS3 but not by a large margin. It's gonna be real close.

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As for the 360 "outselling" the PS3 3-1 on Black Friday...That's cool but you have to remember that is only US Numbers for 1 day. Though in all honesty I have to say that MS will probably take YTD sales over the PS3 but not by a large margin. It's gonna be real close.

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I would agree that the margin will most likely be close, and will tilt slightly in the favor of MS. I think Sony planned on owning the market due to Blu-Ray and is finding out that it's not enough to compete with the lower price of the Xbox 360. Just my humble opinon though.

Its not about my cost or your cost is what im saying. You missed my point. Im saying you argue free internet play is for you which hints at the price side of things. yet on the other hand you bought the most expensive console out of 3. Onto reliability i think that is something people clearly are willing to overlook as we've seen with rrod with the 360 and the ps2 last gen. Look it up and you'll see that the ps2 had herendous issues with disc read errors to the tune of losing a class action lawsuit. I myself went through 4 ps2's and they had half the customer service that MS has displayed. We can agree to disagree but you should bolster your views with more data as the guy above said.Care to list those games the ps3 has rolling out? Its been shown that most of the multi-platform games that come out for both console succeed for the 360 i.e madden,gta,fallout 3...i could go on but you see where im heading with it. bioshock which was an insane game came out a full year on the 360 than did it on the ps3.When it comes to games its clear the 360 is where to be and when it comes to the "entertainment" issue its not so clear. ps3 has blu-ray, 360 has a huge selection of hd movies and now netflix...

Oner,

Gears 2 is rumored for ps3 just as mgs4 is rumored for 360 and thats been out there for well over a year. So that solves that, in general the ps3 has failed to meet expectations big time. Still no home, graphics on par with 360 which the ps3 touts its supreme power. Im not defending the 360 or MS in any way other to say than with all the sony fans and gaming fans who prefer the ps3 touting its overwhelming power,equal selection of games, the addition of blu-ray player,free online,rrod plaguing the 360, why is the ps3 in dead last to 2 inferior consoles? Let me guess price,hope thats not the response. After you managed to tally off all those companies sony has under its belt then why is it the 360 is the clear favorite for pure gamers???

and one last thing...to say for the 360 to outsell the ps3 3-1 on "one day" is nothing short of an misleading statement. Black friday is known to be "ONE" the biggest days of shopping in the U.S. It kicks off the biggest shopping time of the year for the entire country!


Also for the point that Epic could make far much more money selling gears on ps3, the same could be said for any major exclusive sony or ms has so that as well seems pretty obvious and is just talk.

@ Oner

I was wondering about some of those exclusives you named earlier. You have to take into consideration that just b/c it is an exclusive doesnot make it worth playing. A exclusive that is not up to par shouldnot be considered in a list of titles when we are comparing consoles. I admit I kinda had the idea that socum would bring a huge number of sales and gamers to the PS3 as its predecessor on PS2 had one of the largest online fanbase at one time but i was wrong. Cant say i have played it myself but from what others have told me it fell far from its hype and its past quality and popularity also landing subpar reviews from various sites and magazines. My question? Are you saying that all those exclusive are must play games? B/c if they are not good quality games i dont think they should be considered when listing the exclusives for either console. Quality of the games has to fall in somewhere. What's your opinion of the game?

Honestly i think most people are going to play the new Call of Duty and b/c of it most people think of socum as a game to leave on the store shelves. That not my opinion, that what i have heard from a lot of my friends who own all 3 consoles and from a lot of people posting online.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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in general the ps3 has failed to meet expectations big time.....why is the ps3 in dead last to 2 inferior consoles? Let me guess price,hope thats not the response.

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That sounds like your own opinion. For a system to be within 4+ Million range of a console that has a 1 year, 10 Million+ start I can't see how your point holds water. Oh and I will say it is a FACT it has just about been 2x more expensive (price) then it's "closest" competitor. Spin it anyway you want that is the REAL truth.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Still no home, graphics on par with 360 which the ps3 touts its supreme power. Im not defending the 360 or MS in any way other to say than with all the sony fans and gaming fans who prefer the ps3 touting its overwhelming power,equal selection of games, the addition of blu-ray player,free online,rrod plaguing the 360

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Home is to be released by the end of this month, even if not it is something that is a MUCH bigger task then an easy simple GUI interface and little caricatures. It is not for everyone and that's fine...at least it's not forced like the NXE.

As for the 360 being "on par" with the PS3 graphics you have to in all honesty admit and understand that the PS3's architecture is likened to how the PS2's architecture was in the start and a bit of a struggle for people in the beginning with how it takes some time to come to grips with. There is a very clear and discernible difference that is making itself shown in games like Uncharted, GT5P, MGS4 & certainly Killzone 2 just to name a couple and these titles all have the gameplay to match.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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After you managed to tally off all those companies sony has under its belt then why is it the 360 is the clear favorite for pure gamers???

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Again that is your opinion.

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@ Oner

I was wondering about some of those exclusives you named earlier. You have to take into consideration that just b/c it is an exclusive doesnot make it worth playing. A exclusive that is not up to par shouldnot be considered in a list of titles when we are comparing consoles. I admit I kinda had the idea that socum would bring a huge number of sales and gamers to the PS3 as its predecessor on PS2 had one of the largest online fanbase at one time but i was wrong. Cant say i have played it myself but from what others have told me it fell far from its hype and its past quality and popularity also landing subpar reviews from various sites and magazines. My question? Are you saying that all those exclusive are must play games? B/c if they are not good quality games i dont think they should be considered when listing the exclusives for either console. Quality of the games has to fall in somewhere. What's your opinion of the game?

Honestly i think most people are going to play the new Call of Duty and b/c of it most people think of socum as a game to leave on the store shelves. That not my opinion, that what i have heard from a lot of my friends who own all 3 consoles and from a lot of people posting online.

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I was in the beta and there weren't that many issues for SocOm. There where issues when it went live and they where addressed from my understanding, so much so a few review sites even re-adjusted their scores for it. Personally I didn't like the game but I never liked the Socom series to begin with. It just never interested me.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Its not about my cost or your cost is what im saying. You missed my point. Im saying you argue free internet play is for you which hints at the price side of things. yet on the other hand you bought the most expensive console out of 3. Onto reliability i think that is something people clearly are willing to overlook as we've seen with rrod with the 360 and the ps2 last gen. Look it up and you'll see that the ps2 had herendous issues with disc read errors to the tune of losing a class action lawsuit. I myself went through 4 ps2's and they had half the customer service that MS has displayed. We can agree to disagree but you should bolster your views with more data as the guy above said.Care to list those games the ps3 has rolling out? Its been shown that most of the multi-platform games that come out for both console succeed for the 360 i.e madden,gta,fallout 3...i could go on but you see where im heading with it. bioshock which was an insane game came out a full year on the 360 than did it on the ps3.When it comes to games its clear the 360 is where to be and when it comes to the "entertainment" issue its not so clear. ps3 has blu-ray, 360 has a huge selection of hd movies and now netflix...

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i also went trough 3 ps2 b4 i went on to o xbox and now too xbox 360 i am on my 2nd one but i did not have to pay for my 2nd unlike whit the ps2 got my first 360 6months afther they hit the stores it did not go down until feb 08 i could have boght a ps3 buy now but what 4? ps has to give ppl a reson to buy they have not done it yet ok u say blue ray seem that ppl crying about paying 50 a year 4 live are going to pay 40 bucks for a movie its not just a money thing bcuz we all know if we want something we find a way to pay for it.i have had a chanece to buy a ps3 for less than 200 dollers and did not take it its sony job to sell ther consol right now their choking.and the only ppl that are buying are thir fans .while xbox r getting new ppl to buy

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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Its not about my cost or your cost is what im saying. You missed my point. Im saying you argue free internet play is for you which hints at the price side of things. yet on the other hand you bought the most expensive console out of 3. Onto reliability i think that is something people clearly are willing to overlook as we've seen with rrod with the 360 and the ps2 last gen. Look it up and you'll see that the ps2 had herendous issues with disc read errors to the tune of losing a class action lawsuit. I myself went through 4 ps2's and they had half the customer service that MS has displayed. We can agree to disagree but you should bolster your views with more data as the guy above said.Care to list those games the ps3 has rolling out? Its been shown that most of the multi-platform games that come out for both console succeed for the 360 i.e madden,gta,fallout 3...i could go on but you see where im heading with it. bioshock which was an insane game came out a full year on the 360 than did it on the ps3.When it comes to games its clear the 360 is where to be and when it comes to the "entertainment" issue its not so clear. ps3 has blu-ray, 360 has a huge selection of hd movies and now netflix...

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i also went trough 3 ps2 b4 i went on to o xbox and now too xbox 360 i am on my 2nd one but i did not have to pay for my 2nd unlike whit the ps2 got my first 360 6months after they hit the stores it did not go down until feb 08 i could have bought a ps3 buy now but what 4? sony has to give ppl a reason to buy they have not done it yet ok u say blue ray seem that ppl crying about paying 50 a year 4 live are going to pay 40 bucks for a movie its not just a money thing bcuz we all know if we want something we find a way to pay for it.i have had a chanece to buy a ps3 for less than 200 dollers and did not take it. its sony job to sell ther consol right now their choking.and the only ppl that are buying are thir fans .while ms r getting new ppl to buy

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aslo we all know that the og xbox was better than the ps2 and we all know how that turnd out

They are about even from my point of view,because its true Sony is struggling to put out games that should have been released on launch(Killzone 2).Its about ten times easier for the devs to make a game for the XBox 360,so Microsoft does have a pretty big game library.To be honest I would think Sony should be doing better judging from the PS2 game library,but the tables have turned.Sony made a powerfull machine,and its definately got the power to blow Microsoft away with its graphics.You all have to remember that the PS3 hasn't even come close to pushing its true limits yet.I have them both and I have no problems with either one.The bad thing is I think I'm starting to become impatient with the titles released for the PS3.I think Metal Gear is alright,but I would rather play Killzone or even a Kill.Switch game if they release one instead just for the fact I don't like stealth games.The story to MGS games has always been good though,so its not a bad game at all.I think if they made a sequel to the game Black that would have been better as well,but oh well I'm gonna have to make due until 2009.

Hey Oner you named two games I would actually play,but the rest I probably wouldn't even bother with.The Resistance and MGS games are the only two that interest me.Hopefully in 2009 they bring out a better game selection,and it shows everyone what the system can actually do.I think there is only a small majority that actually can see the true power the PS3 really has.If you compare the systems now it doesn't mean much,as the PS3 hasn't even hit its peak yet.The XBox 360 has already hit its peak when it comes to graphics.If you read up on Metal Gear Solid 4 the reason it was never released for the XBox 360 is because it couldn't reach the same power the PS3 could output.I know most people thought it was because of a size issue,but this wasn't the real reason.

If I had to choose a system between the two I probably couldn't come up with an answer.I was very fortunate I could afford them both,and I'm a happy gamer.If your having a hard time trying to decide on either one of these systems,just save up and get them both.They are pretty good as they both have advantages and disadvantages.

Unfortunatly we do know where that ended up and its with the og xbox getting punished by the ps2. Sony makes a KILLING on their name. Their product isnt always the best on the market but its good enought to get them by with their name tossed into the product. The thing about it that gets me is that sony had the winning formula the 1st go round with the ps2 and they won the console war. Then the second go round...this gen, they went and went with what lost it for the og xbox which is raw power and pizzaazz. The xbox lost with raw power and pizzazz and has taken heed that games are what win console wars and its done big things for them this go round. Thing about it is i think even if the rrod hadnt happened they would still be trailing the wii. Were in the fufu starbucks era and that crap sells and the wii is crap. Subpar graphics,online is a joke,game selection is weak. People say that the wii is accesible but its accessible more to all than to one. Meaning their single player games are rare. You have mario,zelda,metroid prime and thats it. All their games are party games. I mean wii fit a top selling "game" ...give me a break.Mario kart is horrible with the wiimote as is most of their games. its fun,its new, then its shelved. Tried and true i know 10 plus people who have or have owned the wii and played it for about a month then shelved it. Mom and pops are the ones who keep that thing afloat, along with these pokemon,magic card,starbucks group. I mean gone are the days of scooby doo,tmnt,batman of old and enter pokemon,naruto, and these tarded futuristic batman and company. We;ve all seen the type of people buying the wii and they are not the pure gamers. Their are pure gamers who purchase the wii but they are few and far between. still the wii has this race/war won already.MS's biggest issue is their pr team blows and the internet era in high gears kicked their ass with the rrod. when it was the ps2 you never heard as much of a peep on the internet then. Now you type in anything and you'll get a million hits and this crap is everywhere.type in midget riding a bike upside down and im sure you'll get a hit. And wehn the rrod hit it was everywhere and it spread like wildfire.END RANT

Originally posted by L-Burna:

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They are about even from my point of view,because its true Sony is struggling to put out games that should have been released on launch(Killzone 2).Its about ten times easier for the devs to make a game for the XBox 360,so Microsoft does have a pretty big game library.To be honest I would think Sony should be doing better judging from the PS2 game library,but the tables have turned.Sony made a powerfull machine,and its definately got the power to blow Microsoft away with its graphics.You all have to remember that the PS3 hasn't even come close to pushing its true limits yet.I have them both and I have no problems with either one.The bad thing is I think I'm starting to become impatient with the titles released for the PS3.I think Metal Gear is alright,but I would rather play Killzone or even a Kill.Switch game if they release one instead just for the fact I don't like stealth games.The story to MGS games has always been good though,so its not a bad game at all.I think if they made a sequel to the game Black that would have been better as well,but oh well I'm gonna have to make due until 2009.

Hey Oner you named two games I would actually play,but the rest I probably wouldn't even bother with.The Resistance and MGS games are the only two that interest me.Hopefully in 2009 they bring out a better game selection,and it shows everyone what the system can actually do.I think there is only a small majority that actually can see the true power the PS3 really has.If you compare the systems now it doesn't mean much,as the PS3 hasn't even hit its peak yet.The XBox 360 has already hit its peak when it comes to graphics.If you read up on Metal Gear Solid 4 the reason it was never released for the XBox 360 is because it couldn't reach the same power the PS3 could output.I know most people thought it was because of a size issue,but this wasn't the real reason.

If I had to choose a system between the two I probably couldn't come up with an answer.I was very fortunate I could afford them both,and I'm a happy gamer.If your having a hard time trying to decide on either one of these systems,just save up and get them both.They are pretty good as they both have advantages and disadvantages.

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Not arguing your point but merely stating that no game console really ever hits its full potential. The game dev's have to put too much money into it and the risk is generally doesnt pan out. The ps2 and xbox both were said to never hit their peak in potential and they were out for 5 plus years. We know the dreamcast came before its time and didnt meet its potential. All im saying is the ps3 is2 years and galloping to 3 i wouldnt hold out on a word like potential.Right now im sitting hear with some booz,some contraband, and tons of money it has the potential to be a hell of a night but i also could wind up in the booty house...on second thought i fear the booty house more than the potentially great time i could have so i'll stay in and GAME.


One more thing as far as the 360 not being powerful enough to handle MGS i've never quite gotten this arguments. Seeing as how Gta,fallout 3 which both are massive games both look and play better on the 360. the list of games that are better looking on the 360 is infinite.I would go as far to say the 360 in general puts out games with better graphics. Maddenmgta,devil may cry,fallout 3,oblivion and i could go on but i think it would be redundant.The ps3 is too "strong" for its own good. While all their fans wait for their potential to kick it they could be gaming but heres how a fan of the sony gaming consoles think. They either will buy the ps3 and care not at the inferiorties it carries in view of the 360 or they will buy both and acknowledge their both fun. It incredibly unneccesary to spend 700 bucks on gaming consoles alone, aside from high def sets,blu-ray movies,live, games,periphials and the time needed to enjoy both..wheeewwwww

Hey what's up Burna. I agree in that I too would also only play a few of the titles I have listed there as I am quite a picky gamer but there is variety there which is best for everyone in the end.

Originally posted by Globe08:

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Unfortunatly we do know where that ended up and its with the og xbox getting punished by the ps2. Sony makes a KILLING on their name. Their product isnt always the best on the market but its good enought to get them by with their name tossed into the product. The thing about it that gets me is that sony had the winning formula the 1st go round with the ps2 and they won the console war. Then the second go round...this gen, they went and went with what lost it for the og xbox which is raw power and pizzaazz. The xbox lost with raw power and pizzazz and has taken heed that games are what win console wars and its done big things for them this go round. Thing about it is i think even if the rrod hadnt happened they would still be trailing the wii. Were in the fufu starbucks era and that crap sells and the wii is crap. Subpar graphics,online is a joke,game selection is weak. People say that the wii is accesible but its accessible more to all than to one. Meaning their single player games are rare. You have mario,zelda,metroid prime and thats it. All their games are party games. I mean wii fit a top selling "game" ...give me a break.Mario kart is horrible with the wiimote as is most of their games. its fun,its new, then its shelved. Tried and true i know 10 plus people who have or have owned the wii and played it for about a month then shelved it. Mom and pops are the ones who keep that thing afloat, along with these pokemon,magic card,starbucks group. I mean gone are the days of scooby doo,tmnt,batman of old and enter pokemon,naruto, and these tarded futuristic batman and company. We;ve all seen the type of people buying the wii and they are not the pure gamers. Their are pure gamers who purchase the wii but they are few and far between. still the wii has this race/war won already.MS's biggest issue is their pr team blows and the internet era in high gears kicked their ass with the rrod. when it was the ps2 you never heard as much of a peep on the internet then. Now you type in anything and you'll get a million hits and this crap is everywhere.type in midget riding a bike upside down and im sure you'll get a hit. And wehn the rrod hit it was everywhere and it spread like wildfire.END RANT

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The Wii is only winning at the moment,but its technology will be outdated extremely quick and can't compete with the XBox 360 and PS3.You have to invision the future to actually figure out what is going to drive these systems.The PS3 has a Blu-Ray player built in so it really is setup for the future.The XBox 360 can use add-ons,but with Nintendo they are relying on an improved controller and old technology.Nintendo will be the first to build a new console I can see it already.I think saying the Wii being a shelved unit is kind of an understatement,because you have to think about the old timers and younger audience.Nintendo never really put much effort into bringing true gamers to the console.They mainly focus the console around older people and youngins.The strategy they used is pretty slick you gotta give them credit for making a system that suites them.

what kind of tv are you playing these games on do u have a ps3 and xbox i only have a xbox 360 my friend has a ps3 we have the same tv i have played some games on ps3 they look magnificent the xbox is not that fare behind but it is behind that bing said the of kind tv u play them on matter.

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Thing about it is i think even if the rrod hadnt happened they would still be trailing the wii. Were in the fufu starbucks era and that crap sells and the wii is crap. Subpar graphics,online is a joke,game selection is weak. People say that the wii is accesible but its accessible more to all than to one. Meaning their single player games are rare. You have mario,zelda,metroid prime and thats it. All their games are party games. I mean wii fit a top selling "game" ...give me a break.Mario kart is horrible with the wiimote as is most of their games. its fun,its new, then its shelved. Tried and true i know 10 plus people who have or have owned the wii and played it for about a month then shelved it. Mom and pops are the ones who keep that thing afloat, along with these pokemon,magic card,starbucks group. I mean gone are the days of scooby doo,tmnt,batman of old and enter pokemon,naruto, and these tarded futuristic batman and company. We;ve all seen the type of people buying the wii and they are not the pure gamers. Their are pure gamers who purchase the wii but they are few and far between. still the wii has this race/war won already.

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Pretty spot on assessment and I basically agree. I have had my Wii since launch and I have only played Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Wario Shake It plus Wii Sports (for a few weeks in the beginning). Outside of that I couldn't get into the new Zelda (I'm gonna have to force myself to get through it) and didn't even bother with SSB (not my sort of title) and Mario Kart (just haven't felt the necessity)...it really isn't "all that's cracked up to be". If I wasn't such a collector I really would have passed on it like I did with a GC!

I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

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what kind of tv are you playing these games on do u have a ps3 and xbox i only have a xbox 360 my friend has a ps3 we have the same tv i have played some games on ps3 they look magnificent the xbox is not that fare behind but it is behind that bing said the kind tv u play them on matter

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I'm playing all my systems on a 1080p 120hz 60" Sony A3000 and from my experience I have to agree with what you said. The PS3 is stunning over HDMI, the 360 is close but not exactly on component cables but my TV is 1080p compliant over component and the Wii looks "eh" (actually "bleh" to be more precise, lol).

I really can't wait to play this game on my screen!...













http://www.play3-live.com/jeux-ps3/p3ltv/killzone-2-584.html

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I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

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wow i gonna get this tv haven't played thous titles on the ps3 only my 360

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I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

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wow i gonna get this tv haven't played thous titles on the ps3 only my 360

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seems like you were mocking me could be wrong. heres the tv model. I was typing fast my kids were clawing me.

Samsung 46" Series 6 LCD HDTV (LN46A650)

Oner,

Why no hdmi cable for the 360? Do you have one of the older models that doesnt come with hdmi?

Launch day Pro no HDMI. Damned thing RROD'ed on me for the 3rd time about 2 weeks ago too...if it happens again and I can't fix it, I am done with it. PC for me for the so called "exclusives" if so.

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Originally posted by Globe08:

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I have a amsung 46inch with the touch of red. its 1080p and has the 120hz and 60fps.

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wow i gonna get this tv haven't played thous titles on the ps3 only my 360

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seems like you were mocking me could be wrong. heres the tv model. I was typing fast my kids were clawing me.

Samsung 46" Series 6 LCD HDTV (LN46A650)

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no i wasn't relly i am in the market for a new set and if u say it makes the xbox look better then thats what i am looking for.

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Launch day Pro no HDMI. Damned thing RROD'ed on me for the 3rd time about 2 weeks ago too...if it happens again and I can't fix it, I am done with it. PC for me for the so called "exclusives" if so.

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Actually, that's exactly what I did. I didn't even bother with the 360 knowing that exclusives were all coming to PC, or at least most of them anyway. And now it's rumored that Fable 2 will be heading to the PC in '09, but that's just a rumor.

Globe08 I have to say I don't think I read one comment you wrote I could disagree with. But you are wasting your breath with some of the people here. The more "powerful machine argument" is wearing thin- software won't beat better hardware graphics. More expensive development time isn't a win for the independent or even corporate gaming houses and doesn't translate into more creativity. Both machines still have plenty of "potential" built in. Extras like recharge packs and wireless LAN don't have to be bought. The ability to hack on a cheap 120gig drive. The unnecessary of BluRay for gaming. The list goes on...

Oner, those animations weren't that special.

To each his own. I guess all the rave reviews and buzz everywhere on the net is inconsequential too then....

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To each his own. I guess all the rave reviews and buzz everywhere on the net is inconsequential too then....

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No, I've been fairly impressed myself with a few of the up and coming exclusive releases on the PS3.

Sony had a pretty good track record of producing games, something M$ didn't appreciate for the Xbox one.

Also, I use my Xbox on HDMI on a 50"- face it we will have to wait for the next gen consoles for high-level anti-aliasing native 1080p easy-gaming anyway. Yes, I know I can go and blow a lot of money on a PC triple crossfire, triple channel DDR3 etc etc. nightmare of patches...

i r banned for spammage