60GB PS3 + three games equals over $1,000

wow, not this christmas then

OH! put me down for 2 then LOL

well someone has to charge twice as much for stuff *L*

Man, thats a months rent.....Looks like I will be working overtime.......

Ya right, when Hell freezes over Sony...

HELL. NO.

Wiiiiiii!!!

No no no... 1000$ Ha! ha!

This is even going to piss of Sony fanboys!!!

Will be getting mine on launch =D

not even considering this over-priced hardware until well into next year...if even then. I can live without Blu-ray for now,I lived without a dvd burner/player until the price came down,so including it in a new game system is nothing big to me.

Here we go, more ignorant comments from people who can't be burdened by anything so cumbersome as facts. The outrage should be directed at Play and other companies who choose to sell these for more than the list price. Don't forget BestBuy and all the US retailers who gouged gamers by selling the 360 only in overpriced bundles.

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svtstang, of course you're free to post your opinions, but if they're ill-informed opinions, be prepared to hear about it. Or are counter-opinions pointing out ignorance not accepted? People bitching at Sony because Play.com has chosen to overcharge for the PS3 is ill-informed. Opinions are best expressed when backed up by common sense.

Seeing how u are new to aD and havent seen the amount of flaming and bashing that has been going on in the next gen console forums i wont say a word. I have never seen as many suspenisons as there have been recently. Also, these opinions are not "ill-informed" The ps3 is going to retail for $599, correct? BluRay techonoly is going to make games cost at least $60 (this is the price of 360 games, which are dvd) At best, you will pay $780 before tax, based on the games being priced at $60 in a best case scenario. After tax, where i live, this equals $839. So, how is this "ill-informed." Seems like its based on factual data to me.

Because it's not the $839 that people on this thread are complaining about, it's the $1000+ being charged by Play.com, yet people are acting like Sony is responsible for this gouging. That is most certainly ill-informed. If you think $599 for the console and $60 for games is too much is unreasonable, that's fine, but that's not what's being discussed here. Perhaps there are reasons to be upset with Sony, but retailers deciding to overcharge for their products isn't one. The misdirected anger is ill-informed.

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Last time I checked, that was the title of the thread. People are supposed to comment on this, whether they say it is ridiculous or that they are going to be 1st in line, people are supposed to voice there opinions.

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All I have to say is 360+ Saints Row+ Gears of War= fun christmas for less than the price of a PS3. "Holla at ya boy"

"People bitching at Sony because Play.com has chosen to overcharge for the PS3 is ill-informed. Opinions are best expressed when backed up by common sense."- Dont know if you forgot, but PS3 games are made on BLUUUURAAAY discs. Those games are still gonna cost an arm and a leg whether you buy a bundle or not. "Microsoft is stupid for sticking with proven technology"(Sony fanboy) Whose laughing now. LOL

Wow Timmy, I dont think I could have ever put it better myself:)

Last year I bought an X BOX 360 at Bj's Wholesale club for $397. I did not open it and decided to sell it around Christmast thinking I would make about $200 profit. When I went to but it up for a big I looked at the average cost they are selling for. That cost was $1,050. I decided to use the buy it now feature and posted it for $1,150 with $50 shipping. Less than 24 hours the X BOX was sold. So when someone states that people are not ready to pay this much for a console they are wrong. There were 26,000 X box 360s on ebay and they were all selling for over 1k.

I believe the grievance here is that PS3's won't cost $1000 in the USA but they will in Europe (or Britain). I'm not getting one but even if i was i'd wait.

I think play.com needs to shake their heads, no one I know will be purchasing from them. Even still the price of the ps3 is too steep for me, especially after the problems I had with my ps2. I'm waiting for a drop in price and to see what bugs this system has before handing over my live savings for a new system. Besides I just had to replace my ps2 with a ps2 slim last christmas, it's to soon for me but that's just my opinion, so don't everyone get all excited now. I'm also hoping for some more female friendly games due to the fact that being a female I'm kinda sick of havin' to be a male character running around killin' things and ppl, Come on game makers where's the games like perfect Dark for sony please please I'm holding my breath.

@ Deeedee It seems you are misguided, instead of debating someone's argument, you choose to label someone as being ignorant, and attack the person instead. That in itself, is a poor stance to be taken on any issue and should not be entertained in the least. If you have a narcissistic superiority complex, choose to indulge in it in the comfort of your own privacy, thank you. If not, debate away. As for the PS3, movies here in Canada (blue ray) are already being sold for 54$ with a reduction of 8$ at best buy, so that's 46$ + 7%+7.5% tax= to roughly 53 dollars. For a movie!!! Now the PS3, is 649$ for the 100 gig plus the bundle included with it, plus 14.5% tax= 743.11$ just for the damned console here in Montreal, Quebec. You add three games with the PS3, let's assume they are 60$ each, with tax its 68.70$, multiply that by 3= 206.11$. Now, let's calculate the cost for both the PS3 and the 3 games: 743.11 + 206.11= 949,21$ (Now that's assuming the cost of the games is 60$ each, which I doubt it is since I see Xbox 360 games at 79.99$) I think the real cost of the games here are 91.59$ if they are being sold at 79.99 + tax, therefore, 91.59 x 3=274.77$ 743.11 +274.77= 1017.88$ Hence, the price does exceed a 1000$ easily, because upon release, games will certainly not sell less than 79.99 or 69.99$.

This is why u dont flame others on aD LOL, great posts guys:)

lestomboy I ahve a friend whos a nurse in holland and shes ging to get one...I am like 0-o give me half that and get a 360 *L* oh well if I had money to kill I'd get one but I ahve ramm tog et still...and a xbox....oh and I still ahve to repalce my DS ><. hot_ice *drools over your brain* I wish my brain could work as well ><

I dont think the game will be 60 bucks. A blank Blu-ray disk is 25 bucks. Lets say the game develops get a discount by buying them in bulk so 15-20 just for the media. Then you have to factor in that most companies besides EA have to actually go to publisher to release the game. Then there marketing shipping taxes Sony cut for using the Blu-ray format how is this a valuable option for game developers. I know all the systems sold at a lost beside the cube, but that was made up though software. If the software department is also bleeding money isnt this a problem? They would have to sell game starting at 75 bucks to make a profit?

I dont think we have to worry aobut BLue ray games for another 2 yeras .......

I am pretty sure the games on the PS3 will sell for 79.99$ as I have seen the Xbox 360 games sell at that price at futureshop. I think what Sony implied by next generation, is that all dimensions of its product would be different, including ridiculously priced items. Its too expensive and pointless to buy on the release, unless you have a spare grand lying around, and you've bought everything else.

hot_ice its kinda funny the games are 80 a pop when thier not even on new meida yet....altho for that rare great game 100 is not alot..I recall paying 100 for Phansty Star 4 and 89 for FF6 SNES ^^ but then..they dont make game sliek that anymore they are all hashed rehashs of current crap ><

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svtstang hehehe this was 3 days after it was released in the states ,about a week after PH4 came out I got it...of corse I no longer ahv then thanks to a mvoe accsdnet..but such is life... I am going to try anf get FF 13 when ti is reelased if ti turns out to be a wish washy game like FF X or FFX2..I give up anyhting made past 05 willbe the last on my to get list.....

I hear that, to this day i make a point to play FF 2 and 3 as well as chrono trigger every year. Those are examples of how games should be. I would much rather pay $80 bucks for a game with a great story and is memorable instead of on a game that is eye candy, ehich is the case with most next gen games.

svtstang that and they try so ahrd to do soemthign new and inovative and al they do is make stuff fusrateing and annoying,this is why I love FF9 is simple and to the point FFX is boged down with poorly thought out equipment system that just wants to make me pull my hair out..I wont even talk about FFX2 its not even a ture FF game its lame mission side quest..... Have you palyed DW8 yet? I ahve been putting it off simpley becuse I dont wnat to aply another disspoitning "TOp fo the line" RPG....

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Lat time I checked, that was the title of the thread. People are supposed to cemment on this, whether they say it is ridiculous or that they are going to be 1st in line, people are supposed to voice there opinions. To tell people that they are ill informed because they respond to the what is the focus of the thread is ignorant. Who has "misdirected anger"? Becuase u dont agree with others opinions this makes their honest thoughts "misdirected anger"?

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@deedee Stop branding people with your less than creative inferences.

HAHA thx hot_ice, we cant fight ignorance even with facts, so let deedee have his/her fun. Wont have too long of a career on aD with that attitude though. @ZipptDSM, I agree with you, FFIX was an awesome game, i enjoyed it much more that X. X-II was blasphamy, wtf, was that Barbi dressup or what? Do yourself a favor and play Dragon Quest VIII, it is awesome.

svtstang FFX shpere system was ok,FFX's dress system was ok but both games fail in the gameplay department plus the equipment system went from bad to worse,I was asking about DW/DQ8 :P how is it? is it any good? ^^

FFX was too linear, half the fun of all the others was wandering around and finding secret stuff, like in 7. X-2 i didnt even get a chance, i just got the feeling my 12 yr old sister would like that game more than me. Like I said in my previous post, Dragon Quest is awesome, the guy behind the animation on DBZ lent his talent to the game, looks beautiful, is long (60-80 hours), is in my opinion, is the best RPG released in a while (Until FFXII comes out:p)

svtstang ^^ yes FFX was way to linear the story is great,but holy crap liek msot of the square games the gamepaly or equipemnt kill it 0-o look at FF11 if you want a fcked up FF game OMG even going by Frist gen MMO rules its a pain!

LOL, i never even got a chance to play XI, because i have a slimline. Im glad i didnt play it, i might have been scard for life. From what i hear it is pretty lame, and its hard to imagine a Final Fantasy game without a deep story. Plus, i dont want to pay money every month to play a game, thats lame.

svtstang the story is not bad its jsut ...well bascily take every FF hash it up then add obsucre MMO rules (like makeing double weapons into a big slower attack,redo on magics ect,ect) its your basic FF medevil hog pog...if it were for soem of the caps and limits they force on you I would still be palying it hell PSO was 10 times more fun!

I remember playing some Final Fantasy's, they have to be the most mindnumbing games out there. The story doesn't make any sense, it is very lame, and I can't seem to know why they are releasing new ones every time!

Ouch hot_ice, that was a low blow. I grew up on Final Fantasy, FF 2 and 3 are what made me so interested in gameing as a whole.

hot_ice you can say that about any game now adays 0_o svtstang it stings but its moslty the whole industry has gone ga ga over eye candy gone are the days of fun conherant gamepaly.....

That is very true, the last game i playedwith great graphics and great gameplay was Ninja Gaiden, and that was a while ago. Why is everybody hating on Final Fantasy? Its thx to Square that all these "other" RPG's are released and see acceptance.

svtstang *L* FFX,FFX2,FF11 all sux its nto to hard to hate on the newer FFs :P FF8 was also kinda iffy 0-o

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Fact: By your own calculations, the console at $600 and three games at $60 each is $780 before tax, around $850 after tax in most places.

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FACT: That was based on a $60 price tag for games, which is not going to happen. Add $80 per game which looks realistic, and that price is now $910. Pretty damn close to $1000

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"hot_ice, you're little calculations showing the cost in Canada will possibly be over $1000 Canadian is a pointless excercise that completely avoids the issue." By any chance, do you have your curriculum vitae ready, FOX news would certainly love to add you on its staff! "hot_ice pull such ludicrous numbers from your asses to fuel your self-righteously indignant hissy fit" The only thing that is ludicrous here, is your indignant denial on current prices for games on the Xbox 360 console being priced at a whopping 79.99, why would the PS3 be any different? In any event, your premises to your arguments are weak at best, but seemingly reflect a certain level of sophism. Does insulting someone make you feel as though you can compensate for something you don't have when you write such vitriol?

deedeebee so you are saying Sony is not overchargeing? your saying the real PS3 is not 600+ with tax? ................................. ............. .... .. .

He/she/it is not saying anything thats the problem. Just twisting what we say without any factual support.

@svstang Don't even bother with deedeedee. He's like one of those trap door spiders, that awaits patiently for its next meal, and when its prey comes close enough, it pounces on it. The consistency of his arguments cannot be taken seriously so long as he has taken it upon himself to insult others first, and refute, in a nonsensical fashion, later. It's apparent that his need to label, is an effort to vent some of his frustration. However, disagreeing in argument is hardly a reason for it. Therefore, its quite apparent, that whatever issue we discuss, so long as we don't agree with his point of view, his stance will be that of discord with the rest of us.

@hot_ice, that was a great post:) I think there are too many big words there for deedee, so hopefully that will end that pointless argument.

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@svstang again Twisting words is a practice most often indulged in by lawyers. They take your comments, point of view, etc, place them out of context, in an effort to probe into whatever they want to know, or assume they know of you but want you to either incriminate or contradict yourself to get to what they believe is the truth. However, truth itself is subjective, unless its mathematics etc. Don't strain yourself with what deedeedee said, you have an opinion svstang, stick to it, and don't let anyone sway you out of it if you believe you're right.

That was inspirational:p My problem is that these kind of threads always turn into flame wars and people end up getting suspended by preaching there biased views, which leads to resistance from others, which then leads to personal attacks by the fanboy. aD shouldnt be like this, and its a shame to see people are not willing to grasp reality, but instead, pick and choose what they want to accept and then preach it as if it were the ultimate truth. Gets old. I cant wait for the console wars to be over:) You have a good head on your shoulders hot_ice, we need all we can get so we can battle the legions of fanboys out there lol

However, lest I forget how the turn of events is ironic, fanboys are the first Sony will capitalize on with their over the top prices. Let them spend a 1000$ on their PS3, it only serves to reduce the prices for the moneywise.

will be preordering mine in October!

haha i wont, rather pay my rent;)

Okay so let's try to settle the debut on the pricing of games. Let's jump back to the release of the PS2 does everyone remember the price of the console and games? (honestly I don't remember the price was to high for me to even look at during that time) Anyway let's face facts we are looking at that lovely term supply and demand. As long as ppl are willing to pay it the price will be as high as they can get. I for one don't blame sony or any of those suppliers for trying to get the biggest buck, I myself would do the same if I could. My only complaint is that I won't be able to purchase one anytime soon. As for Deedee's comment about canadian prices it may not be beneficial to you but it is to me and other canadians. I never consitered the fact that canada would be around the same price as play.com, so good on ya for pointing it out hot ice. However if I come across $1000 that I can waste away I would definatly waste it on a PS3 but I still want a GTA game with the opition to be female, I love games and I suck at lara croft so I need something else.

lestomboy have you tired the newer one? its saposed to be easier/better than the last 2 or 3*L* Hell I'd rather spend 400 and get crappy satlite DSL than get a new game system *L*

BTW lestomboy, we ettled thr debate awhile ago, but thanks for that post, its sealed the deal:)

svtstang BTW here are sem games that I want to paly soon Xenosaga 1-2 ZOne of enders 1-2 Onimusha 4 (dawn of soemthing) DQ8 I am finishing up Legaia 2 and going to be trying to paly WIld arms 3 altho I dont want to drowen in the medicoreness of it all >< Oni4 and DQ would be 30-50,the other 2 I can get the pair for 30....mmmmmmmmm I have my code break ready for Wild Arms 3 LOL but frist I need to finish Legaia 2.....its kinda not ending on my right now 0_o *L*

1. Both Xenosagas (actually all three kick a@@, very good games) 2. ZOE 1 kinda sucked, but 2 was worth the cash 3. Never have played Onimusha b4, think i should look into that. 4. DQ8 is the best recent rpg release on the ps2 5.. I liked Legaia, nice departure from the ordinary turn based battles of just pushing one button. 6. I love Wild Arms, especailly the ps1 versions. i really need breaker pro, playing them on the comp just isnt the same.

svtstang its a shame they watered down the WA1 remake soem not putting all teh summons in ands such..thats jsut arrragance..like we are not goign to know...morons.....its liek teh crap they did to the Luanr remakes >< (WA2 is my fav ,WA3 blows......like FF8 blows...frankly with a game shark FF8 is better than WA3 0-o) I enjoyed what I palyed of ZOE 1 so I know it will be ok, I ahve aplyed Xenosaga 1 some it seemed medicore 0-o I just got a the nice black labe of Xenogears heheheheheheh :3 and got a copy of Legaia 1 to boot :3 hehehehehe Legaia 2 is acoupel poitns below 1,they didnt take thier time and code the game right it has alot of oddness to it 0-o I love the Onimusha games I ahve 1-3 the down side of like anime/samuri stuff is the uberly bad US vocie acting..I loved one so much it had a japanase voice track,2 was ok kinda and 3...still working on it (kinda lost intrest when the vocies went into english full time....)*L* I know Oni 4 has Dual voice tracks!! *sigh* I guess I will wait and see what I feel like next month,working on Legaia 2 is annoying soemtiems *L* god I so hate the limit on items you can carry...

@zippy I too have been playing legaia 2 I'm at the point where I have found the other female character and I'm finding the wondering around in the sew/ ruin whatever you call it lol very boring. This is now the second time I've played it. The first time I got the last charater and quit playing it from boredom they I got interested in playing it again but ended up starting over cuz I couldn't remember what I was suppose to do. Is there ever a point when you don't wonder around hoping you know where your going? As for the new Lara Croft I will have to check it out thanks for letting me know. I had a hard time with the controls not so much the game play. Anyone else play the GTA series, if so I just want to say I'm disappointed in liberty stories it's basically GTA: 3, I really don't like that you can't swim or climb over walls. I was hoping it would be like San Andreas with a few more perks like being able to climb ladders and so on.

lestomboy,svtstang Come here we can continue here sicne the mods might get to annoyed with thread hijacking *L* sorry all made a new thread to rant and talk on *L* http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/356940

@lestomboy To my recollection, there are female oriented games, like Bloodrayne, Tomb Raider, Champions of Norrath, Baldur's Gate, etc. Could not find the rental of Zone of the Enders 2, Onimusha 1-4 is amazing, wild arms gross, xenosaga only played the second one frustrating, etc. Well I can't wait to see how much the PS3 will go for after 1 year or 2.

hot_ice I liked Wild arms 1-2,3 is liek WTF 0-o Xenosaga titers on being medicore sometiems,I realy need to paly 1 but I dun want to without a codebreaker *L* Mmmm if you want to reply send it to the thread link I post :P I loved the Zone of enders GBA game its near perfect if only there was splash/aera damage that game would rule!

I don't know, but lately, my PS2 has become sluggish, the dvd drive when you open it, struggles in its way out, as though its become rusty, and when I try to play backups, you hear the laser going crazy at times. I wouldn't be surprised if my PS2 dies out towards the end of this year, hopefully by then I will have played superman returns, disgaea 2, and God of War 2. The only 3 titles that have some promise left in the old PS2. The PS3, if I purchase it, ya right, will replace my ailing PS2 console, but at projected prices of 600$ +, I doubt I will buying one anytime soon. Hopefully, I can repair my PS2, I will try to check out what the prices are...

@ hot ice thanks for the info and as for your PS2 mine began to do the same only I was using store bought games I had just got Legacy of Kain Defiance and played it for two days and my system died, but the good thing about sony is they allow you to play your old PS1 and PS2 games on your brand spanking new PS3 however after purchasing one I don't know where you will live lol. If you still have a place I'm so coming over to visit lm@o I hope you like company.

My system is still hanging in there, its just I have to repair it before it gets worse, I hope the repairs aren't expensive. As for coming over, well if you're in Montreal that's fine, and make sure you bring some cool titles over.

Yes the PS3 is going to be expensive at first (like every other system at launch). Just think of it as a cheap blueray player. Ive read elsewhere they sony is designing the ps3 so that consumers can go out and buy a regular hard drive and replace the one that comes with, so just buy the 40gig package and save some dough.

malekite the PS3 is twice the price of a normal next gen system.. it is not JUST more..... hot_ice 20-50 will get you a new lazer,that sounds liek what you need,if you are not able to build or repair stuff then mabye 20-40 more for a new used PS2,lets face it tis going to be a few years yet for a PS3 for both of us :P I have fixed PS2's befor for friends as long as they pay for shiping *L* ,even gave one a new lens I couldnt use,I dont think I ahve any new lens not sure if I ahve any extra working lens 0-o do you know the version of your PS2? I know the main 2 or 3 thigns to look out for when yo take it apart so you dont hurt it *L*

malekite 0_o buy the low end one? sicne all the little thigns missing in the low end one will amount to more than 100 your better off geting the 600 one if at all........

What little missing things? I was not aware of a major differance other than the hard drives. Yes $700.00 is alot of dough but so is $400 Remeber when the original PSX and Saturn were released? That was alot of money back then. The thing is we all know that after a year the PS3 will drop in price but in order to get to that point the damn thing has to sell. Also does anyone else think that that pricetag may be a feint? Selling your product for almost twice as your competitor is insanely stupid. So I think the price will suddenly drop at launch time. So those who can..buy and us who cant wait and hope it doesnt fail at launch.

I highly doubt the price will drop anytime shorlty after launch. The ps2 price didnt drop for two years after launch. Im sure the ps3 will drop a bit after a year.

Hot Ice Your tray sticking means it needs to be greased (white lithium) as far as the laser i dont know. My old ps3 like to get so close to the cd games that it would leave perfectly round scratches. Lasers dont cost to much though

PS3 600$ Version 60GB HD Multi AV output HDMI (HD TV) Multi Card port (flash,SD,ect,) Mem stick 4 USB Wi-Fi (No wi fi no PSP conectivity) Ethernet BLuetooth --------------------------- PS3 500$ Version 20GB HD Multi AV output Mem stick 4 USB Ethernet By the time you upgrade the HD,the Wi fi thats 100 right there ,I dont realy know what all the Multi card reader is for,blue tooth is wi fi however knowing them they will try and make it seprate,also theres a obsucre DVD rule(?) that might make New format moives unpalyable on the low end PS3 becuse it lacks DRM High def outputs where the moive HAS to confrim HD output altho most think it wil just downgrade the stream to non HD. When teh PS2 ethernet adapter came out it was close to 60 or 70 these little add ons that are 20-30for the comp will be nearly twice the price for the PS3 plus other small things sony is not saying just elad me to the ieda the low end is bad....just save yourself the trouble and get the 600 one!

I've tried the PS2 on a backup of Champions of Norrath, works quite fine, it must've been having a hard time with Grandia 3...So the only real problem, is greasing the tray, but where do i get the white lithium as suggested? Honestly, I hope my PS2 sticks in there, just long enough, for me to play Superman Returns, Justice League and God of War 2. That's it after those titles come out for my PS2. As far as the PS3 goes, wasn't there a 100 gb bundle pack? Thanks Zippy for the offer, I appreciate it, and malekite as well. Just a tangent here, but I haven't been able to make sacred underworld (expansion) work at all, does anyone know the answer? Please redirect to the sacred thread.

Hot_Ice Is gradia 3 a copy or the real thing? It depends on the copy and the Media its on some run ok some run funny,if tis a copy try useing Nero on the losest speed,altho Alcohol 120% can do a better job soemtimes. Is also if its the real thing is it a DVD9 game? funky DVD9 reading is a sign the lens is running out of time. sacred underworld PC? its a pain to run no cracks that I know of I got both to run,but I ahd to remove all the CD/DVD emluation stuff I had AND then get game jack whitch was a newer CD/DVD emlaution that is not black listed in the game.Game jack has the abilty to run some/most protected games even if the ISO dosent have the protrection info on it. I hate puttign CDs in for ever little thing ><

svtstang have you palyed ther Full metal ALchemist games? I kinda wanted to try one I kow the anime+ game = crap rule *L* altho tis more 6 tiems ut f ten leaveing the last 4 games to be ok to good. Been watching FMA for the past couple days *L*

Hmm thanks Zippy I wasnt aware of the wifi ect. Yeah theres no real point in buying the lowend. Sony is just trying to get those PS3s in our homes. Hot_Ice You can get the white lithium grease at an autoparts store (autozone, oreallys ect) just shake realy well and spray the grease ONTO A CUETIP NOT IN THE PS2 (sorry, but some people dont think) then just rub it up real good but not dripping wet also put a little on the poless the laser rides along will probaly help. Also clean the fan those burn out easy on the old PS2s How is Sacred I never read or heard anything about it? Try Game Copy World or Game Burn World

malekite Ya its annoying the PS3 low end is in shambels Sacred(sacred underworld is the expation I beleive) in many respects its like Diablo 2 the engine is alot diffrent it uses a 3D engine for charatcers and soem objects and a 2d engine for the fleid and houses and such,the only real downside to it is your magic/abilties are item drops like in diablo 1 and its very random,your skils you can put exp into but the gained abilties (and lvl up to thos abilites) are found thru item drops and rarely is a abilty the same palce twice. In all its a point or 2 less than diablo 2.

I've tried full metal alchemist, it's somewhat entertaining, somewhat. As for Sacred malekite, its entertaining, you should try it.

Does Full Metal Alchemist recreate the anime well? I was thinking about getting it, but it seems like anime-originated games suck.

svtstang Ya tell me about it Look at One Peice sure its a wonky fighter game but OMG to water down a PG13-R anime to a G rateing its jsut sicking! DBZ is a soild PG13 the story holds it down ,O-P can go near R easily altho FMA pings between PG13 and R every other ep *L* I still cant beleive they stuck the US opening of O-P in the game 0-o I kow NAruto is a desent fighter but they wont bring it over WTF is up with that actualy good to ok anime games that dont get here...

Like you said, the rcent DBZ games are pretty good. That is my favorite anime, at least Budoki 2-3 and Tenkaichi (forget how they are spelled lol) are worth owning for fans.

svtstang Not realy palyed them how are the controlls is it a mix of old style fighter and 3d fighter like a toned down soul caliber? (I like soul calb altho it can go overboard on the non power moves Tekken and AoD I dont like) Played the Action/RPG game on the PS2 saw so many thigns they it could have had I stoped palying it was as bad as the GBA one hell the DBZ RPGs on the SNES had soem thought and effort put into them 0-o hell were is that great game makeing abilty gone? oh thats right the US hates RPGs and wont invest inthem but will go bankrupd pushing out a ton of crappy games (Aclaim coems to mind)

HAHAHA The newer DBZ's are still pretty simplisticcompared to Soul Caliber and Tekken, but for a true fan, they are great. The combos are generic as hell, but being able to fusion and have projectile battle is awesome. I recommend Budokai 3, i still play it regularly, its great. I would love a true BDZ RPG, not that bs Sagas that was released a while back, although i did beat it lol.

svtstang Thats what I was talkign about dimwited action RPG was sagas and soemthing as bad for the GBA. I'll take a simple version of SOul cabiuer any day over these fcked uo milloin moves per charatcer games like tekken and DOA,hell as bad as Mortal Kombat is its almsot better 0-o

Full metal alchemist looks like the anime, but I can't say I would ever replay it, worth the rental, if you're into that.

hot_ice I ahve watched the Series at elast 3 times in 2 years just finished it again its a great show filled with contrasts,when it coems to gameing like anime story OR gamepaly must be there. I hate medicore games that try to be mroe than medicore like any resent FF game (I cant say that about 12 not palyed it yet) however when a games story surpasses most other games and the gamepaly of it is only slighty annoying like Vagrant Story (limited storage,limited weapons building,phantom points to incress attack and entropy poits to degrade it cripple the weapon,hidden magic to find I belive you hve to be hit by it and magic useing monsters are rare 0-o) it adds up but only knocks acouple points from a 10. Were as soemthing like FFX starts at a 10 then deregadeds into a 4 or 6 0-o

Vagrant Story was very cool just a pain to play. I dont think i finished the Iron Maiden or whatever the bonus dungeon was. Heard that they did a second one never seen it though. FFX had a great story unfornutately the game play was too simplistic and taking away the exploration element kinda sucked but the story was its saving grace.

malekite Theres a vandle hearts 2 but no Vagrant Story 2,frankly it took me 2 hours to desided the Phantom and entropy point system was BS thus I gamesharked it away that made the game I dunno...more fun,altho the same basic thing applyed to the rest of it I dint care for the weapons custizeing to one class of moster the more you used it...liek fighting zombies with a nice little knife and gettign my arse handed to by soem humans when I got out of the seswers.....that was not good..but haveing max PP helped enough to make the game somewhat fun. And to think the gay that did it and FFT another great story annoying gamepaly game is makeing FF12...... will the horror ever end? *L*

I love FFT actualy but i do hate the level system and the fact that no matter if i was levell 99+ the monsters were just as strong that sucks. So what did you think of KH2 i forced myself to keep playing untill 1/2 way thru the last boss fight and just couldnt force myself to finish. Very Dissapointed

malekite have not realy played KHs yet *L*

Zippy, play KH2, its f"ing awesome!!

No!!!!! Dont listen to svtstang theyve gotten to him!!!*L* I dunno I just found it to be repetitive and lacking. My roomates loved it too. I just didnt feel it. Forced myself to play to the end hoping it would come together. Well now that ive said my peace ill await the fanboys who are surely coming to lynch me now.

malekite from word of mouth and other resroces I see KH2s can be a bit laggy if you palyed one within the last eyar or have a good memeory,sometimes palyign seaqules so close togather can mess you up...unless you are prepard for it (onimusha no cheating 1-2 1-1 1/2 weeks) MA AHAHAHAHA 0-o I need to gt Ninja Gaiden black....I need pain :P Anyway I think I will get HK1 frist at least..is on my list...last month I got throwen for a loop taging Legaia 1 and Xenegears 1 both black lable in good shape ^^

Kingdom Hearts 1 is a rather good game just takes a while for the story to get interesting. KI2 is just a rehash. Guess ya just have to think of it as the midway point. For instance LOT The 2 Tow wasnt that great (except for the battle at helmsdeep) but it served its purpose and moved the story along. Im just gladd I didnt buy KI2 (i was planning to)becaused I would be one pissed MOFO.

ewww kingdom of hearts is an abomination! Why would anyone invent a game like that, it's mindnumbing!

LoL > HotIce yeah its true but the first KH gets rather deep if you can get past what they did to all those poor FF characters (Only gets worse in KH2)

Hell no!!!Sephiroth kicked arse in Kingdom Hearts!! Him and Cloud are the only reason I played that game..........

It has begun.

Care to further explain?

>Systang had to read my earlier post about being lynched. It was a joke ;) I dont believe i ever beat Sephi in KH but for good reason.

Each of us has a BS factor that once a games hits its so ahrd to keep going,be it story,soemthign that sets you back a few hours of paly,unfair unbalnced newaonces you find as you paly..

Zippy has a point I think I used up mine a few years ago on HR 200 if Dragon Warrior 7 *L*

Kingdom of hearts, is really bad, like the I am being lobotomized as we play kind of bad... Well, to each his own, I guess some people like it, others just don't get it.

DW 7 was a pain...I need to play it again sem tiem and finish it *L* hot_ice try palying Legig 2 non stop,its much worse then the WTFness of KH LOL

No zips, I think I will pass on both. I was looking at my finances recently, and 600$+ on the PS3 alone, translates into a lot of money at the end of the month, if you are tight on money as I am it seems. I just don't think this expenditure fits with my current budget, and I will have to wait 2 years it seems before considering purchasing. Maybe by then, it will cost 299.99$, but at current prices, I certainly doubt that.

hot_ice Actauly the only thign besides beign a long ass game DW7 was not as polished at say DW 3 or DW4 its still good enough to be above avrage.I got legaia 2 and I knew it couldnt be ebtter than LG 1 but I didnt thik itd be 3 or 5 points below it.*L* I am trying to tag a game a month but meh I dont know what to get anymore everythign seems like crap but the oder stuff I know 0-o speaking of crap I need to get Kings filed 4 anicent city..its a shame Shadow Tower 2 was not bought over here....(ues I am a kings filed fan :P) I need to get a bike next month wehnt I go to town....dont want tospend more than 50ish for a used one,and I have to buy some cloths..I ahte spending 200 on clothing ><

As far as the PS2 goes, the only three titles that are of interest left for me, are the following: justice league, superman returns and god of war 2. The rest are not of my taste.

I really can't type today, must be really tired. And one more thing, I don't see many promising titles for the PS3, just a rehash of the past!

Hot_ice thats sad..but I guess it keeps you from getting alot *L* I got abotu 30 or so games I want tog et for the PS2,soem I can stand haveing just copys of some I wan tthe real thing. justice league heros might wind up being as bad as Xmen lengedns..I palyed XML for 5 mn got board and destroied the copy 0-o I dont know about XML 1 tho

Yeah i spent alot of time on DW3 back in the day (can you say level 78 hero) Yeah i havent seen anything impressive on the ps3 yet expcept MGS4 and FF7 (Yes they finaly said it was a remake not just a tech demo>June EGM)Zippy I have kingsfield 5 can get to you through torrent if ya like.

malekite they made a 5? ;_; any chance of a english translation? I know shadow tower 2 was a no show for the states ;_;

Man, i cant beleive this thread is still kickin...so whats the topic:D

svtstang th PS3 is to costly and msot games suck? *L*

haha i have to agree with man:D Are you going to pick up a Wii??

svtstang Dont know right now if I want to get it ASAP or jsut wait till Metroid prime 3 rols out and tag it with that. the only rother thing that I can think of to kill 200 console wise is ps2 mod chip for 80 and a Xbox

I have a modded Xbox, and I havent even turned it on like in 9 months. I played by ps2 today for 10 mintues, games just arnt fun anymore:(

svtstang ture ture ture,soemtiems you can fidn a gem but tis rare.

Think the last game I really liked was God of War, or Star Ocean: Till The End of Time. Like you said, its rare, but ince in a while, developers get it right.

>Zippy yeah i was stunned when i saw kingsfield also, and yes its English NTSC for PS2. I never played kingsfield but always heard about so i grabbed it. Plays like Eternal Ring but alot better. Hmm I want a Wii but I bought a gamecube way back Played Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Eternal Darkness and then sold it cuz nothing else to play. So Im tired of buying a console just to play Nintendo only games. Anyone still old regrets from back in the 16bit days? Like I never got to play Might & Magic 3 or Eye of the Beholder.

malekite Is it KF 4 acinet city? I have or had KF 1 and 2,I dont know what KF3 was...was that Etrunal ring? ER was so under dev'd it was pittaful tried to make a gamefaqs ring/spell faq thigns seemed so inconsictant I gave up after a month *L* I ahve emualiton for nearly all 16bit stuff ^^ I never got into M&M but palyed EOTB and that D&D eturnal sun for the genisis *L* svtstang GOW is good I wish Onimusha and DMC would learn from the gamepaly but it seems the devs would rather ignore whats right in other games and focus on thier personaly made "invoations" ......*sigh* Not palyed SO TTEOT,I didnt like SO 2 it wouldnt let you controll other party members...I jsut couldnt take it.... *L* Like I said I ahve a low low tolerance for BS :P I palyed tales of desnity 1 liked it,Played what they called TOD2 in the states it was ok..not sure about the newer ones,I know for a fact tho I want to get Y's and Phansty Star generations when ever they bring it over...

havent played starocean yet. God of War was great up untill the point that it pissed me off so much that I threw my controller to the floor breaking it. Hmm just popped KF into my PS2 it The Ancient City lol isnt that like #3? i wrote 5 on the disc because that is what the title was in the torrent. I do most definately have Wizardy 5.

malekite KF 1 PSX JApan only KF 2(as KF) PSX KF 3(as KF2) PSX KF 4(KF4) PS2 Other games in the seires or by the same maker Shadow Tower 1 PSX (incoherant stoy but the rest of it was ok) Shadow Tower Abyss PS2 Japan only (I;d kill to bring it to the states....) Eternal ring PS2 (out of all of them this screws system test the msot)

Which is the best Japanese game out there?

That arcade one where you have to spank people LOL. Yeah when i type Kings Field 5 into google it comes up with Kings Field the Ancient City. Wow Eternal Ring was one of the first PS2 games I bought ($10 thankfully) and it sucked bad, a whole new spectrum of sucking, it was like a rainbow...

malekite Etenal ring is what we call a system test they thru togather a game to test the abilties of the system *L*

Lol makes sense now.

malekite ya legaia 2 sad to say is a system test of a game for the most part it looks great for a frist gen PS2 game the codeing I question (some equiped items act like a crused item and wont let you up your defence with items or spells)

Played a game way back called Orphen based on the anime yeah that had to be a system test or theres always Summoner lol

Orpen sicion of scorecry or whatever..it snot a system test its normal ANime game :P SUmmoner is not "bad" it has its bright spots...I always liked the odd US made RPGs liek it and Adina Chroncils on the N64 sure they ar e unpollished and have issues but they are nto a compelte waste like FFX2 *L* Ever palyed Oni?if I could ever uderstand the incoherant controlls I think itd be fun 0-o I realy wish theyed make a good Z.O.E streadgy game that one on the GBA was near perfect great story and good gamepaly the only downside to the game was no splash/radius damage. ZOE 1 on the PS2 was ok at best a simple action/rpg thing to bad they cant mix action/rpg and streadgy togather make it where you can pause the live action in order to figure out who to atttack or it enime that are close togather need to be bombed and such.

I never got around to ZOE always looked cool but stuff like robotech or gundam or some horrible game of that vibe put me off for a while. Always thought mechwarrior for SNES was the shit. Summoner i just couldnt stomach wasnt bad but wasnt playworthy to me Im sad to say that i finished FFX-2 hoping that at some point it would redeem itself now you can understand why I shudder when i see it.

xxxx SONY AND THEIR xxx PS3! HERE ARE THINGS WRONG WITH THE PS3: 1. MOTION REACTION CONTROLLER WHICH IS AN OBVIOUS RIP-OFF OF NINTENDO'S WII 2. OUTRAGEOUS PRICING THAT IS MORE THAN A DELL COMPUTER 3. RIP-OFF OF MICROSOFT'S SUPERB XBOX LIVE 4. THEY EXPECT EVERYONE TO BUT IT xxxx YOU SONY AND YOUR GREEDY LITTLE xxxxxx SELVES WHO CAN'T THINK OF AN ORIGINAL IDEA.

How expressive of you, or you can wait till the PS3 is 299$.

fatjohnny 1.how old are you? your acting liek a 5yro 2.MOTION SENCOR has been around for a decade to say its a rip off of the wiis is also wrong becuse it dosent even go that far its a sismple tilt and paly MOTION thingy. 3.so any stat gathering and compareing game or serivece is now a rip off of Live?.... the 360 is just as bad,horred hardware,horried Xbox support,Xlive is 50 something a year and some games you have to pay more for......... please the PS3 just picks a diffrent hole to rape......its all more of the same.....

Well wasnt gonna justify the fanboy with a repsonse but what the hell well call it peerpressure. Well fatjohhny yes the PS3 is expensive now as far as "gayass" youll have to eullucidate on that one. Zippy more or less nailed everything on the head the PS3 will use gyros not motion sensors so they would be ripping of the DS not the Wii. Now speaking of greedy corporations isnt XBOX owned and controlled by.....MICROSOFT! Yes they may make great products (after a few years of updates and patches)but they will squeeze you for every single dime. Also dell computers are crap, No offense to dell lovers just saying you can do alot better.

fatjohnny - No foul language on the site please, and no all CAPS messages. Thanks.

malekite I forgot to add I palyd ZOE some ,I thought the story was so so,the game itself is a DMC/Onimusha clone add flying and shooting and EXP to go to weapons and stuff. its a ok Anime game.

I think Ill look into ZOE. Ive never seen the anime so that will probaly make the game more enjoyable. I started to Play Morrowind last night and died withing the first 30m lol. I gotta remember cant let em see ya steal.

malekite Morrowind is grindy and there are no good arrmow summon spell mods for it :P I need to aply thru it again but I cant think how I want to paly thru *L* well the ZOE games dont use the man charatcers from Z.O.E I think ZOE 2 might..msotly the games are about unknowen charatcers getting the Overpowerd mechs *L* If you like stradgy games like SHining force or Fire emblem try ZOE on the GBA its near perfect as far as streadgy games go (its only lacking splash/radius damage). I ahve seen teh ZOE TV show 26eps and the moive the moive is darker and mroe depressive the TV show takes from it but is more comedy and action. Most anime game tend to follow the show or try and recreate the show the ZOE games I ahve seen build on the shows storys not redo and such.

When did consoles become so expensive...whennnnnnnnnn!!!AhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Well I have oblivion but I made myself swear that i would play morrowind first (I bought it a year ago and havent touched it) I also have to finish Fable because I know Oblivion is just going to spoil me rotten. The few minutes i played of it ive liked >graphics and proscessing are not an issue with my pc => I just cant get into point and click RPGS TOEE, NWN, and last one i tried Planescape:Torment. I guess I just like active games more.

Torment was a great game, original story, and very dark anti-hero.

malekite ^^ some like them some dont same for RPGs *L* (real time stready:War craft 3 Action RPG:NWN/doungen seige RPG :Planescape:Torment/fallout Turn based stradgy :ZOE GBA) I love a good soiled stradgy game same for FPS's,Actiona nd RPGs *L* altho ZOE on the GBA has a bonus that no other streadgy game has,when you attack a target a crosshair screen coems up and yu have to get the crosshairs on the picture of the enime in order to hit,hit the bulseye for a critcal dodgeing is simluar,its a bit more than point and click but still its in that gern ^^ Fable is overly short plus if you take to much tiem your guy becoems OLD *L* hot_ice the 360 caps out at 400 altho thats a bit high for what it is,its more a 300$ system at best,the PS3 is realy WTF. even if you add the new drive the whole point in gameing was to amke money off games,Xbox didnt make moeny in the frist few years why in the hell do they want to stagnate console sales by makeing it twice the price....I knwo the japanase can be arragont but this is pushign things 0-o altho 10 to 1 its a coperation thing LOL

I think if anything, I am annoyed with the pricing of the PS3, what kind of a price is 600$ + for something that plays games, and reads movies. Its the price of a computer!! Why would I put that much into something like that, I would rather buy a computer!! I gather the PS4, if Sony doesn't go bankrupt, will cost 800+, as the price seem to get more and more incremental with every release of a next generation console.

Yeah i really hope sony isnt serious and will release it at a decent price. North America counts for almost 1/2 theyre market if the PS3 flops over here (and Europe too of course)then that will cripple SCEA the japans sales might be enough to keep SCEJ afloat. Also has anyone heard of any developers pulling out because of the projected price? Just a thought, that if Sony is serious bout $600.00 then I as a game devoloper would know that I wouldnt make any sales and because no one can afford the system and I would lose alot of $ and pull out.

There seems to be increments of 200$ + with every release...FUBAR!

not bad pretty cheap

*agent47* I guess you have a grand to kill 0n the PS3,and when the next next gen systems coem out in 4-6 years you'll have 2 grand ready for it to!

lol i was just joking. i'm 15 yrs old, so i dont have dat kind of cash, but i guess after i sell my xbox 360, and a few more things i should get enough money

*agent47* hehehe,anyway it might not be worth it,and a 360 even with HD sued wont cover half of the PS3 0-o best off to hang onto what you got till the dust settles ,I still belive the PS3 will have better games over the 360 but theres jsut so much crap sony has to prove. the 360 has at least proven it is a ok graphic centered system.

$1000 buck for 3games and ps3!!!! more than my 32inch LG LCD HDTV. You can also get a SUPER computer with that.

rihgt682 not realy 2 HD 100-200GB raid 200-300 DVD-DL-WR 40-180 Good mobo 80-150 Good 2 core CPU 200-400 Good to great vid card 200-500 Ramm 2GB 100-300 Case 50-100 PSU 400-500watt 60-150 if not carefull you be your arse a new build can hand you...... oh ya ets not forget the revalidation for SP2 if you install more than 2 thigns on it *coaks and dies* scew SP2 I am SP1 users untill vista is fixed or SP2 is netured! BTW any raid users out there? I been thinking about going raid to save me some from haveing to reinstall XP every acouple a months raid will cut done on couprted data even from power loss and ahrd reboots right?

Here's the scoop on the PS3. It's not expensive when you think about what you get. A gaming console, a 60 GB hard drive and a blue-ray DVD, but what's going to kill it is eventually you'll have to upgrade the console to play future games, it's like a computer, and Sony's plan is to get developer's to make games into chapters. You buy the first chapter at the store and future chapters of the game on-line. That's where their going to make up for the mojney lost on the $600 dollar price tag they have on the PS3.

GCamaro95 ya but I dot se gamepaly improveing anytiem soon I dont see the PS3 beign worth 600 in 2 or so years... jsut see alot of things that makes it worth every drop of the cash I am putting into it. in 3+ years deffinately unless Nintendo nuters both the PS3 and the 360 *L*

Well Zippy, I feel that Nintendo is going to be the winner in the console wars, reasonably priced and the amount of games you can get on-line and the prices are reasonable

Ture,Nintendo is win win,even the craziests of fanboys will have it as a 2nd console,so with ninedto fillign thier niche's and 2nd console niches nintendos potenial is frighting and the 360 and PS3s almost on the other end,I have a feelign that the PS3 or the 360 will be relaced in the next 3 or 4 years. the PS3 has enough potenial to make it but the rpice might kill it,the 360 is stirfe with what could have beens...there might be soem potenial there.....but I dont know not unless they steal another great PC game like Halo or soemthing.

This is ridiculous. people get pssd off bcoz as soon as a new console comes out people rush to buy it and the next month, it drops over £400! the best time to buy any console is 6 months after its release. There will be more games, there will be cheaper games, the game graphics will have improved, the console would have gone cheaper, there would be "modding" services available, and there would be a smaller, better version of the old console. wait a while, dont be a fool by giving your money away and getting ripped off! the consoles only cost under £50 to build, and yet they are bieng sold for £500!

aszbaz the smater people wait a few months the richer and thos that cant wait get them ASAP.

You know what, even thought I do not live in Europe, that's a LOT of money. Unlike Sony, I am not made out of money!!

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FACT: That was based on a $60 price tag for games, which is not going to happen. Add $80 per game which looks realistic, and that price is now $910. Pretty damn close to $1000

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LMAO i dont even why im resonding to this...nice job posting more than a month after the last post. Your a champ, isnt it great looking at things in hindsight? Better yet, you even found my old post and waited until now to make a post.....LMFAO

Buh Bye

I can understand you don't want to look back in hindsight, since doing so demonstrates you were wrong about everything back then and I was in fact correct. Instead of manning up and admitting it and apologizing for your idiotic assertions and boorish behaviour, you continue to act like child.

LOLOLOLOL your so lame!!! Thats all that needs to be said, despite trying to use big words, your still pathetic! Many people told you whats up, yet you attack me......i dont want to be banned so thats all i will say. BUT, i do advise getting a shrink, finding a girlfriend, and figuring out arguing over old crap like this is lame.....

deedeebee, knock off the pm's before i knock you off this site!
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