PS3 will upscale PS1, PS2 games and DVD-Video

Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

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Funny...wow their upscaling last gen games..boohoo. I like to look towards the future.

@ nextgen76

the 360 has always unscaled to 1080 but the ps3 was restricted from this feature for a future marketing advert to persuade potential customers that the ps3 is actually worth it! also the 360 is capable of 60hz on sdtv with all games, where as the ps3 is limited to 50hz as sony couldn't be bothered to support any crt owners out there which is >90% of the population, as with most things its down to the devs now, as sony cant be arsed!

if you read the full official release it states "up to 1080" not all content to 1080 but its about time that the ps3 stopped downscaling from 720 to 480 for none 720 hd screens, so good news but sony pr as usual.


the "up to" comment is kind of worrying,
as when sony use spin tactics like this you kinda get the feeling its going to turn out bad, like the 1000 uk ps2 backwards compatible games, well they did load but not play so take it how you will!

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/content/detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372

Originally posted by scee:

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London, 24 May 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) firmware. Version 1.80 features upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set.

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meh they are slow to polish it but they need to remove the sticky salty goo from it first then polish polish and polish more...while dropping the price ^^

I see the 360 lasting another 3 years tops before MS is forced to bring out a new system.

while both are a mess the PS3 will only grow more stronger with time.

ok i'm a little confused (as usual lol)

upscaling... taking content from a lower res and making it higher res. EG quoted: as in upscaling dvd video (720p) to 1080p

where's the extra data coming from? WOuldn't this be like upscaling a 128 bitrate mp3 to a CD-A/Wav? Unless I'm missing something here.

And if not, and it does actually upconvert my SD DVD to 1080p then why do I even need Blu-ray movies? I'll just watch my dvds upconverted to 1080p quality?

I did the update. On LCD screens this does some magic to PS2 games.

Hope this answers your questions......

WHAT UPSCALING DOES
Upscaling affects the resolution of the game, so the jagged marks that plague a picture not suited for a HiDef LCD and lessened. They also added a smoother for PS and PS2 games, this smear the textures a little to make them look better. I know the textures on FF12 looked pretty bad on my LCD but when I downloaded this between the upscaling and the smoothing I am pretty happy. Too bad I already finished the game.

WHAT UPSCALING DOES NOT DO
In short it does not create new data to fill in the resolution. I just bases what appears on what is around it. Due to the increase in resolution there is some serious alias and interlacing that needs to be done. When you watch the screen close enough the games that do not support Progressive formats have some interlacing issues. So because NEW textures are not created but more "borrowed" you are not seeing "true HD". In a bluray disc each pixel is its own, the textures are original so the picture appears perfect.

Think of it this way. With a high resolution you CAN represent awesome textures. However with the same resolution you can represent a two circle sections one white one red. Now the red and white circles will not look amazing, but they will look much closer to circles at 1080i/p than they would at 480i/p where you would noticeably see the jagged edges around the bends.

Many people confuse resolution with complex textures.
You can play Atari games in 1080p, they arent going to look like PS3 games though.

Overall, good update! Im turning a PC into a media server based on the new features!

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Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

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Software upscaling, yay? 360 has a upscaling chip that does much better job than a software.

Originally posted by duckNrun:

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ok i'm a little confused (as usual lol)

upscaling... taking content from a lower res and making it higher res. EG quoted: as in upscaling dvd video (720p) to 1080p

where's the extra data coming from? WOuldn't this be like upscaling a 128 bitrate mp3 to a CD-A/Wav? Unless I'm missing something here.

And if not, and it does actually upconvert my SD DVD to 1080p then why do I even need Blu-ray movies? I'll just watch my dvds upconverted to 1080p quality?

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You are indeed correct. The only people that were making a fuss of upscaling were 360 owners than had it. I'm not than bothered...

Basically upscaling works by guessing the pixels to pad the picture out with, based on the colour of pixels around it. It's a crude method, and certainly no substitute for proper HD. On movies is provides a slight quality improvement, sometime a degradation depending on the quality of the scaler and the movie.

On games however, where everything if computer generated, scaling generally does make things look better. I tried GTA4 on PS3 this morning with the new firmware at 1080p, and there is a HUGE difference.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

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Actually the reason is I still have my lauch week PS3 while I am on my 3rd Xbox360. God bless one year warranty and Microsoft thank GoW.

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Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

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Software upscaling, yay? 360 has a upscaling chip that does much better job than a software.

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You know that the DSP Hardware scaler in the 360 has software on it? (All DSP's do). It's no different to the software running on the Cell, aside from the fact that the Cell is infinately more powerful than a scaler DSP, and can be updated (something the 360 DSP Scaler cannot)...

hopefully they will refine the "upscaling" to smooth out some of the odd glitches that pop up,so far sony has not abonaded PSX/PS2 games.

Originally posted by pigfister:

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the 360 has always unscaled to 1080 but the ps3 was restricted from this feature for a future marketing advert to persuade potential customers that the ps3 is actually worth it! also the 360 is capable of 60hz on sdtv with all games, where as the ps3 is limited to 50hz as sony couldn't be bothered to support any crt owners out there which is >90% of the population, as with most things its down to the devs now, as sony cant be arsed!

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Your right 360 did support 1080 & not 1080p like most owner of 360 wanted when they found out that PS3 was going to support 1080p they cried til Microsoft finally gave them that update but lets not forget for a while Microsoft said that 1080p was not needed.But how many time Microsoft shot themselves in the foot from upscaling to 1080p to making a elite system that has HDMI which Microsoft said HDMI wasn't important.Also when Sony claim that there BD was going to run 24hz & 1080p Microsoft said that Sony would never archive that guess what Microsoft was wrong again.Right now 360 owner need to be worry about there system more than whats Sony doing right now.

http://www.360-gamer.com/news.asp?id=964

Very unbiased reports read the horror story's.

Since the launch of the Xbox 360 one of the major topics on Xbox 360 forums has been about the dubious manufacturing quality of Microsoft’s Xbox 360 console – never before has a console attracted so much attention for the this reason.

Everywhere you turn, there’s another story of a broken 360 and anyone you speak to has either had their console fail on them, or knows of many others who have. It really is the problem that simply won’t go away.

Very well said NextGen76. I'm just waiting on the die hard 360 owners to try and find a way to disagree. Thats only if those same folks aren't still pissed from the XBL post. Sorry to go track with the article I just know its coming.

So upscaling is basically like interpolation. Gives the picture a nice foggy effect. I loved it the the good old psx emualtion days.

I was reading this article and all was well till i read the last line.

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Another notable addition to the PS3's list of features is the ability to print photos stored on the console's hard drive or storage media using some models of Epson printers through a USB cable.

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Would this update have anything to do with the Wii's picture editing.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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.Also when Sony claim that there BD was going to run 24hz & 1080p Microsoft said that Sony would never archive that guess what Microsoft was wrong again.Right now 360 owner need to be worry about there system more than whats Sony doing right now.

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wow you are one loyal fanboy who loves bold aren't u, keep your tantrum for your mother please!

all i was doing was correcting you as you did not know the 360 already unscaled and the url was sony's official press release for everyone to view. as i said its a GOOD thing the software has been updated, and now ppl with no 720 support wont be downgraded to 480 and unfortunately for standard crt tv owners the 60 hz is still not available universally on all games!

you take me for some anti sony guy for the hell of it but the reality is, i do NOT, think like u! i am an avid gamer that hates corporate restrictions and anti consumer tactics which includes all public relations spin, which is why i was concerned that sony stated officially, that it upscales, UP TO, 1080p but not 1080p across the board.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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But how many time Microsoft shot themselves in the foot from upscaling to 1080p to making a elite system that has HDMI which Microsoft said HDMI wasn't important

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as did sony at one point! http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/23/hdmi_the_manchurian_.html

Originally posted by boing boing:

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Sony stunned onlookers when it announced that the low-end PlayStation 3, which will retail for US$499, will not have HDMI. This put Sony in the awkward position of downplaying HDMI as a "must have" feature for a next-generation optical disc player. Kaz Hirai, CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, sidestepped the lack of HDMI by painting it as a high-end standard that wouldn't be aesthetically appreciated by many consumers.

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Zippy, every post you have to say "blah, blah, blah, the 360 is broke..." which reminds me of reports of faulty iPods. The truth is, the PS3 is not selling, so when one breaks, it's like a a tree falling in the woods with no one to hear it. MS currently has the market lead, followed by Nintendo. Sony sold a whopping 82,000 consoles last month. I'm sure if every single one of those broke, it would be a disastrous number to Sony, but only a blip on the radar to Nintendo and MS.

Actually SProdigy, if you are going by monthly sales, Nintendo has outsold everyone else dramatically, the only reason Microsoft has a larger market share is because its been around longer (See "Nintendo Dominates April" in the news archives. And the Xbox 360 does have a TON of issues, from overheating to that stupid "clean disc error", I know, I have experienced both
And Pigfister,I read the link you gave and it was extremely biased, it took the cheaper PS3 and attacked that, despite the fact that those have not been moving at all, and that they are meant for less picture quality, thats why you pay extra for HDMI, whoever wrote that article didn't know much about technology, and that HDMI is pretty much necessary for solid 1080p...

Two last things, the term is Upscaling, not UNscaling, and the actual story doesnt say anything about "Up To" the line is...

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By far the most impressive feature of the update is the promise of upscaled Playstation 1 and Playstation 2 games, as well as the upscaling of standard DVDs, all the way to 1080p.

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I think something may have been lost in Dela's Paraphrasing, no worries dela I knew what you meant :-) You guys do an awesome job!

Originally posted by Ankoku:

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And Pigfister,I read the link you gave and it was extremely biased, it took the cheaper PS3 and attacked that, despite the fact that those have not been moving at all, and that they are meant for less picture quality, thats why you pay extra for HDMI, whoever wrote that article didn't know much about technology, and that HDMI is pretty much necessary for solid 1080p...

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as for this first comment: it was in a sarcastic reply to NexGen76 about m$ and playing down the hdim which sony's Kaz Hirai, CEO of Sony Computer America did himself about the ps3.

the boing boing post was written by posted by Cory Doctorow as it states at the bottom of the page, and i supposed he, doesn't know what he, is talking about eh, maybe you should, google his name buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Doctorow

Originally posted by Ankoku:

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Two last things, the term is Upscaling, not UNscaling, and the actual story doesnt say anything about "Up To" the line is...

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By far the most impressive feature of the update is the promise of upscaled Playstation 1 and Playstation 2 games, as well as the upscaling of standard DVDs, all the way to 1080p.

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I think something may have been lost in Dela's Paraphrasing, no worries dela I knew what you meant :-) You guys do an awesome job!

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if you had actually bothered to read my previous post instead of just the last one maybe you would have understood the comment, the quote was from sony europe official press release page, here is the link:

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/content/detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372

Originally posted by scee:

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23/05/2007 09:49
PS3 Firmware Version 1.80 Announced


London, 24 May 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) firmware. Version 1.80 features upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set.

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try not to be a fan boy, try to read instead. And fyi it states UP TO 1080p so editing the facts to prove your opinion is very pathetic in the industry its called "cherry picking" marketing scam tactics.

You're right about Nintendo. The DS and Wii are crushing everything in their path. I already own them both!

UP TO 1080p,
UP TO 1080p,
UP TO,
Got it.
Great,
Thanks.
What would we do without you.
I got a little insight for you…….. It’s only going to get better. Maybe it won’t be UP TO forever. Maybe a year or so it will be to your standards.
It’s a start for Sony. They are trying to correct a few wrongs. Good for them.
Once again Mr. pigfister, you believe everything you read on the internet and say it is law. I'm still waiting for you to form an opinion of your own.
I must commend you on the few links you provided that actually do state a fact. Your definitely getting better at this.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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UP TO 1080p,
UP TO 1080p,
UP TO,
Got it.
Great,
Thanks.
What would we do without you.
I got a little insight for you…….. It’s only going to get better. Maybe it won’t be UP TO forever. Maybe a year or so it will be to your standards.
It’s a start for Sony. They are trying to correct a few wrongs. Good for them.
Once again Mr. pigfister, you believe everything you read on the internet and say it is law. I'm still waiting for you to form an opinion of your own.
I must commend you on the few links you provided that actually do state a fact. Your definitely getting better at this.

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what is it with you edited by ddp i said it was a good thing ffs. read the previous posts instead of the last 1 or 2 then post intelligent responses please!

AnkokuL stated that Cory Doctorow didn't know what he was talking about, then he stupidly edited out pieces from the sony official press release page to try to make out i was i liar!

I find it hillarious the Xbots are green with envy...

it's UPTO 1080p, depending on the capbilities of your TV. If you TV supports 1080p, all your PS1/PS2 games and DVD's will be displayed in 1080p.

The US press release is worded differently....

Obviously this has upset alot of Xbots, tying to pick at anthing they can LOL

I agree with the last post as a few other post. I just wish all the bashers and so-called techie guru's just let the systems take they course. When Sept. hits and they all are competing for holiday sales and so forth. Thats what needs to be judged and thats where whom ever the system or systems maybe will either take over or fall behind. Sitting here basing all your opinions on every article that drops for the PS3 and 360 and Wii is really pointless at this point. Because 10/10 your gonna be arguing a dead point. All it takes is patience and you will see which console is truly doing the right things and who is not. I do have both PS3 and 360. Currently 360 does have a edge in games but again in my own opinion "sarcasm" the games out that I like aren't holding the fun factor like it should for $60. The PS3 currently does not have any strong titles to brag about but still patience is a virtue. Lastly if there was a serious problem going on with the PS3 hardware as some of my favorite bashers think I really believe with all the hate back and forth on which console is best somebody would have numbers to prove Sony is just as bad as M$.

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Originally posted by djeazyg:

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UP TO 1080p,
UP TO 1080p,
UP TO,
Got it.
Great,
Thanks.
What would we do without you.
I got a little insight for you…….. It’s only going to get better. Maybe it won’t be UP TO forever. Maybe a year or so it will be to your standards.
It’s a start for Sony. They are trying to correct a few wrongs. Good for them.
Once again Mr. pigfister, you believe everything you read on the internet and say it is law. I'm still waiting for you to form an opinion of your own.
I must commend you on the few links you provided that actually do state a fact. Your definitely getting better at this.

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what is it with you edited by ddp i said it was a good thing ffs. read the previous posts instead of the last 1 or 2 then post intelligent responses please!

AnkokuL stated that Cory Doctorow didn't know what he was talking about, then he stupidly edited out pieces from the sony official press release page to try to make out i was i liar!

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Relax! I was just trying to have some fun with you. You always too serious with your posts. I didn't call you a liar..... I don't know you. I don't say things like that about people I don't know. I think your easily led. Maybe a little too trusting with what you read on the Internet but I never said you lied. Sorry if I upset you.

….and I’m not retarded. Just a bit tired from working the 12 hour shifts to pay off this damm $600 PS3, $450 Xbox 360 and this PC I just spent $1500 to upgrade. Not to mention all the $60 to $90 games for all of them. They are ALL over priced.

……….Back on topic………
At least Sony is trying to improve the PS3 without releasing a “Elite” BS version to make up for its short comings.

Originally posted by spydah:

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I agree with the last post as a few other post. I just wish all the bashers and so-called techie guru's just let the systems take they course. When Sept. hits and they all are competing for holiday sales and so forth. Thats what needs to be judged and thats where whom ever the system or systems maybe will either take over or fall behind. Sitting here basing all your opinions on every article that drops for the PS3 and 360 and Wii is really pointless at this point. Because 10/10 your gonna be arguing a dead point. All it takes is patience and you will see which console is truly doing the right things and who is not. I do have both PS3 and 360. Currently 360 does have a edge in games but again in my own opinion "sarcasm" the games out that I like aren't holding the fun factor like it should for $60. The PS3 currently does not have any strong titles to brag about but still patience is a virtue. Lastly if there was a serious problem going on with the PS3 hardware as some of my favorite bashers think I really believe with all the hate back and forth on which console is best somebody would have numbers to prove Sony is just as bad as M$.

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Your right but these debates or arguments ,as you put it, are here for FUN. I don't think anybody really takes any of this so seriously that they are discussing it over the holiday dinner. For me this is just nothing more than to pass the time. Not that I don't believe in what I say, I do but if somebody disagrees I don't actually get mad about it.
Sometimes if you listen you will learn a thing or two and I have. If somebody here can show me the way I will be glad to listen. But I’m also going to argue because it’s fun.

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….and I’m not retarded. Just a bit tired from working the 12 hour shifts to pay off this damm $600 PS3, $450 Xbox 360 and this PC I just spent $1500 to upgrade. Not to mention all the $60 to $90 games for all of them. They are ALL over priced.

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HAHAHAHAH You may not be retarded. But your one hell of a nerd =P

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Originally posted by spydah:

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I agree with the last post as a few other post. I just wish all the bashers and so-called techie guru's just let the systems take they course. When Sept. hits and they all are competing for holiday sales and so forth. Thats what needs to be judged and thats where whom ever the system or systems maybe will either take over or fall behind. Sitting here basing all your opinions on every article that drops for the PS3 and 360 and Wii is really pointless at this point. Because 10/10 your gonna be arguing a dead point. All it takes is patience and you will see which console is truly doing the right things and who is not. I do have both PS3 and 360. Currently 360 does have a edge in games but again in my own opinion "sarcasm" the games out that I like aren't holding the fun factor like it should for $60. The PS3 currently does not have any strong titles to brag about but still patience is a virtue. Lastly if there was a serious problem going on with the PS3 hardware as some of my favorite bashers think I really believe with all the hate back and forth on which console is best somebody would have numbers to prove Sony is just as bad as M$.

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Your right but these debates or arguments ,as you put it, are here for FUN. I don't think anybody really takes any of this so seriously that they are discussing it over the holiday dinner. For me this is just nothing more than to pass the time. Not that I don't believe in what I say, I do but if somebody disagrees I don't actually get mad about it.
Sometimes if you listen you will learn a thing or two and I have. If somebody here can show me the way I will be glad to listen. But I’m also going to argue because it’s fun.

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I completely agree with the topic's and debates being fun and funny but some people really seem to take this stuff serious. Not all but some. Honestly when its a good topic thats my big reason for making a comment because of what people say just to get a reaction. Some peoples responses keeps me laughing at work.

Just to clarify, I didn't look at the official press release, nor was I "Cherry Picking", I simply went to the source Dela posted, and I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am a "Fanboy", I like gaming in general, I don't have any problem with paying however much a system costs, and I'm tired of people drawing these artificial lines on what system to support, I own an Xbox 360, which is awesome, a Wii, which is awesome, and I will get my hands on a PS3 after the first price drop, I dont support any system, and I have problems with each company and system, and to clarify, "Up To" is actually a limitation statement, not a restrictive statement, in other words, 1080p is a MAXIMUM, meaning that the games and dvds will be upscaled, obviously with the same limitations as other technology...which I believe is a point pigfister made earlier, if you have a different release to support any different, I wouldn't mind some enlightenment. And I still believe the article was poorly written, as it is an attack on HDMI, as can clearly be discerned from the title...So who knows, Pigfister, you take this stuff far to seriously, and I don't care for the personal attacks on my intellect, any shortcomings were probably due to the fact that I really dont care about these topics all that much, rather, I have a passing interest as a social gamer

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

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lets not forget what started this topic flavour off all. my response was to him to clarify misinformation.

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@ nextgen76

the 360 has always unscaled to 1080 but the ps3 was restricted from this feature for a future marketing advert to persuade potential customers that the ps3 is actually worth it! also the 360 is capable of 60hz on sdtv with all games, where as the ps3 is limited to 50hz as sony couldn't be bothered to support any crt owners out there which is >90% of the population, as with most things its down to the devs now, as sony cant be arsed!

if you read the full official release it states "up to 1080" not all content to 1080 but its about time that the ps3 stopped downscaling from 720 to 480 for none 720 hd screens, so good news but sony pr as usual.


the "up to" comment is kind of worrying,
as when sony use spin tactics like this you kinda get the feeling its going to turn out bad, like the 1000 uk ps2 backwards compatible games, well they did load but not play so take it how you will!

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/content/detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372

Originally posted by scee:

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London, 24 May 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) firmware. Version 1.80 features upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set.

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that is my origanal post.

Originally posted by Ankoku:

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Just to clarify, I didn't look at the official press release, nor was I "Cherry Picking",

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not cheery picking but you edited out the "up to" from your post, then you said i believe everything i read, well i read it on the sony web page, from a sony official announcement, so an answer to your question is, yes !

for the none sony pr trolls, as i already stated before all the fanboy attacks on my post. this is "good news"

Yea I know NextGen76 is always over the top with his comments, and Zippy too, but they are always funny to read, I didnt mean to come at you like that, I just dont like the idea of someone calling me stupid, or saying I do things stupidly, half-assed yea probably, as I should have read the press release, but thats far too much work for this topic for me, I actually didnt say you believe everything you read, that was the guy under me, I just said I dont like that article, I actually just checked out the guys wiki and Im still not impressed, USC sometimes has some of the more "interesting" choices in who it hires, and I can say that with all confidence as I am a junior there...but I do think you make some valid points, and I look forward to some positive debate with you in the future :-P

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Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

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lets not forget what started this topic flavour off all. my response was to him to clarify misinformation.

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@ nextgen76

the 360 has always unscaled to 1080 but the ps3 was restricted from this feature for a future marketing advert to persuade potential customers that the ps3 is actually worth it! also the 360 is capable of 60hz on sdtv with all games, where as the ps3 is limited to 50hz as sony couldn't be bothered to support any crt owners out there which is >90% of the population, as with most things its down to the devs now, as sony cant be arsed!

if you read the full official release it states "up to 1080" not all content to 1080 but its about time that the ps3 stopped downscaling from 720 to 480 for none 720 hd screens, so good news but sony pr as usual.


the "up to" comment is kind of worrying,
as when sony use spin tactics like this you kinda get the feeling its going to turn out bad, like the 1000 uk ps2 backwards compatible games, well they did load but not play so take it how you will!

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/content/detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372
[quote=scee]London, 24 May 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) firmware. Version 1.80 features upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set.

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that is my origanal post.

Originally posted by Ankoku:

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Just to clarify, I didn't look at the official press release, nor was I "Cherry Picking",

not cheery picking but you edited out the "up to" from your post, then you said i believe everything i read, well i read it on the sony web page, from a sony official announcement, so an answer to your question is, yes !

for the none sony pr trolls, as i already stated before all the fanboy attacks on my post. this is "good news"

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Cmon man you put a article that was made before the PS3 was even released im talking about all the adjustment Microsoft made after the fact that what over 10 million people bought a 360 they slap them in the face with the elite.When Sony gave the release date for the PS3 last Sept the Spec was final there has yet to be any major changes on the PS3 that Sony say they wasn't going to be unlike Microsoft.Pleas point out any misimformation that i posted right here find just one.

Your right 360 did support 1080 & not 1080p like most owner of 360 wanted when they found out that PS3 was going to support 1080p they cried til Microsoft finally gave them that update but lets not forget for a while Microsoft said that 1080p was not needed.But how many time Microsoft shot themselves in the foot from upscaling to 1080p to making a elite system that has HDMI which Microsoft said HDMI wasn't important.Also when Sony claim that there BD was going to run 24hz & 1080p Microsoft said that Sony would never archive that guess what Microsoft was wrong again.

Originally posted by Ankoku:

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Yea I know NextGen76 is always over the top with his comments

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I feel the same way about alot of people on here but i don't come here just to spill venom because i have a hate for a company.I question some people on this board because they get caught up in news links & post & actually think its the truth alot of time but have yet to own a console or even had the time to find of the truth for themselves but live off what other people say.Just go back to all the the Sony new links on the site you will see the same few spreading the hate like they always do but you never hear me say i hate Microsoft or etc... because hate is a very strong word.I feel alot of people on this board need to get out & do some research on there own like i have & stop with the lies & so if i told you to jump off a bridge i guess you would do it pigfister.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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Just another reason why PS3 will be a better console than 360.....

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that was your post 1st here! anti m$. the topic was about ps3 update but you started with fanboy dribble, grow up.


as i stated in my first post this is a "good thing" ffs, are you that dumb!

lol retarded fanboys still at their console wars, so pathetic

Hmmmm...1080p is good I guess,but what about some games for people that actually play games on the system.Sony's problem right now is really the game selection.1080p is a good addition to the console,but will not improve it drastically like a best seller game would.They need to focus on putting out some decent games.I keep hearing these game companies are losing money,but if you notice out of all these companies Nintendo is selling and actually making a profit.It didn't come from hd output display,it came from the game selection.They need to focus on the main interests of a game system to actually sell and so far the only one actually doing it is Nintendo.Microsoft has issues with hardware,and they are trying to fix it with the elite.I also know a friend that works at a gamestop and he tells me he recieves broken 360 systems all the time.Sony's PS3 has a pathetic game selection at the moment,and its sad with the actual hardware they have.They have a good console if you just want to watch movies or use Linux or whatever,but if you are looking to play some really good games then you might as well wait a couple years.Sony definately has the best hardware in it out of all the systems.You can upgrade your system with firmware updates,it has a Blu-ray drive etc... I could keep going on why the actually hardware in the system dominates all the other consoles,but if your looking for the best game selection the PS3 doesn't have it.The PS3 might have something maybe in a decade,because the rate they are going I still haven't played anything that makes me want to keep playing.Nintendo is focusing on games which is what they all should actually worry about right now,and forget about simple problems that can always be fixed later.M$ doesn't really have a choice though,because they screwed up the hardware design for the system and it just needs a bunch of work done.I think Sony and M$ are giving up on everybodies interests,because they keep pushing themselves further away from everybody by making really dumb decisions.I don't think 1080p is dumb,but I still keep asking the same question to myself which is "Why is 1080p more important than the game selection?" The game consoles are a tragedy at the moment and I wouldn't mind seeing a dreamcast 2 or something like that come in and whipe all our currently next gen consoles out.

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that was your post 1st here! anti m$. the topic was about ps3 update but you started with fanboy dribble, grow up.

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Its called a opinion learn what that mean before you place blame on anyone with your personal insult you have pass on this board which is very low.

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[quote]….and I’m not retarded. Just a bit tired from working the 12 hour shifts to pay off this damm $600 PS3, $450 Xbox 360 and this PC I just spent $1500 to upgrade. Not to mention all the $60 to $90 games for all of them. They are ALL over priced.

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HAHAHAHAH You may not be retarded. But your one hell of a nerd =P[/quote]


I guess I asked for that. Duh….

I wouldn’t' call myself a nerd though. I'm a serious geek but nerd is pretty harsh. I don't like Star Trek and aren't nerds usually Trekkies? Maybe I am.

pigfister, you got a week ban for the name calling, post edited

Wonder what sort of DRM is being streamlined in this firmware update. Probably won't hear much about that on Sony's side.

sony sucks. ps3 is a glorified console that wishes it was a PC.
period. nintendo is going to come out on top because they realized the gamer is tired of the consoles pretending they are pc's, and decided to focus on fun. Hardcore gamers own a pc. (and yes, sometimes a 360, since they've honed in the multiplayer facet very well) but if you want high end graphics, you get a good video card.
ps3 is a fad, and it will die. and i hope sony's entire gaming division does as well. i'm just plain tired of Sony in general.

There's a lot of buzz over at avsforums on the 1.8 update so I decided to see for myself.

BluRay playback seems to be unaffected so I tested three HD players only for upconversion performance:
Toshiba HD-XA2 with 1.5 FW
Toshiba HD-A1 with 2.2 FW
PS3 with 1.8 Update
all using HDMI connections.

Displays:
Sony KDS60A2000 1080p SXRD
Panasonic PT-AE900u 720p Projector on a 110" Da-Lite High Contrast Grey Screen
both ISF calibrated

I viewed several DVD's including LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring, The Fifth Element (Superbit), Men In Black (Superbit), and Mr. Incredible.

My subjective ranking on Upconversion performance:
1. Toshiba HD-XA2 - BEST by a wide margin (the ReonVX HQV chip still rules)
2. Toshiba HD-A1 (by a slim margin over the PS3)
3. PS3 with 1.8 update

My settings on the PS3:
Upscaler - Normal
Format - Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr
Superwhite - On
RGB Full - On

Overall, a good effort from Sony.

@error5: I'd like to hear your take on this. I know you have similar equipment.

@dblbogey7: Have you tried the 1080p/24 output on your Sony Pearl projector?

Added: The PS3 with 1.8 does upconvert thru component connections on NON-Copy Protected discs.

@eatsushi: I just finished putting my 1.8 updated PS3 through its paces and I think I fully agree with your ranking. BTW, I have the same settings as you have.

Originally posted by AUDIOMIND:

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Wonder what sort of DRM is being streamlined in this firmware update. Probably won't hear much about that on Sony's side.

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Much less than on the 360. Let's not forget, Microsoft are the masters of DRM...

Incidently, I compared my friends HD-XA2 and PS3, and the PS3 is MUCH better at upscaling on my system (HDMI Connection to Panasonic 1080p plasma). The PS3 wiped the floor with the Toshiba infact...

Originally posted by eatsushi:

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@dblbogey7: Have you tried the 1080p/24 output on your Sony Pearl projector?

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I've actually upgraded to the JVC DLA-RS1 1080p projector. (Sold the Sony Pearl to my brother-in-law.) I tried the 1080p/24 output from the PS3 last night - saw both PotC BluRays - and it looks great! Even my girlfriend noticed the difference.

BTW, I'm really impressed with the upconversion that the 1.8 update enabled. Though I still prefer my XA2 I didn't expect it to be this good.

All I can say about this latest development is that it is a step in the right direction by Sony, and the other boys in Blu will surely benefit from this once it does happen. HD DVD might just have to take this one on the chin unless they are able to match what Sony is planning via the X Box 360. Does anyone know if Microsoft is even capable of doing this with their present HD DVD player add-on? Also, will the PS3 be able to handle 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i? Just curious folks.

funnny how someone made a smart comment about the gaming end, then there comes those who take anything to atack sony, they start saying BS about sony because of the gaming, come on!! they already said that about the gaming, if you're gonna say the same thing, at least use some proof, so it won't get boring, i get my laughs from these threads, but people like that make it boring, for the next one who talks about the gaming end, please bring some proof so i can learn something new today! x_x

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Incidently, I compared my friends HD-XA2 and PS3, and the PS3 is MUCH better at upscaling on my system (HDMI Connection to Panasonic 1080p plasma). The PS3 wiped the floor with the Toshiba infact...

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- Well what a surprise that you managed to 'find' that to be the case.
LMAO.

S'funny there are no other dual format owners on the av or avs forums making such sweeping claims.

The 'best' I have ever seen said of BD is that in a few instances it can match the usual high standard common across the HD DVD title-range.

Generally speaking the BD standard is simply not as high as HD DVD's.

Even when they release the same movie on the same codec across the formats (Warner in particular is known for this) the HD DVD movie is the better version of the 2 (the image is the same but the HD DVD sound is superior).

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Even when they release the same movie on the same codec across the formats (Warner in particular is known for this) the HD DVD movie is the better version of the 2 (the image is the same but the HD DVD sound is superior).

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hughjars: He was talking about upscaled regular DVD's - not the high def formats.

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the PS3 is MUCH better at upscaling on my system

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I don't agree with him but there's no need to be antagonistic.

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hughjars: He was talking about upscaled regular DVD's - not the high def formats.

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- That's where it just gets surreal tho, cos the HD A2 has a well deserved name for being excellent as an upscaling SD DVD player.
The HD A20 is of similar standard at upscaling.....

....and the HD XA2 is the best of the lot right now as several international awards show only too clearly.

The HD XA2 is so good in fact that it beats things like high end Denons thanks to it's superb chipset.

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I don't agree with him but there's no need to be antagonistic.

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- I wasn't trying to be antagonistic, really.

But I am (still ;) ) sick & tired of seeing such obvious garbage and lies like that posted up.

You might say it's just a personal opinion but such - solitary - claims that "the PS3 wiped the floor" with the HD XA2 at SD DVD upscaling are just so utterly laughable that it's fair game to point out.

In fact given the latest 1.8 firmware I'm amazed that such a ludicrous comment was made when the one little gem in there (and I must admit a real 'feather in the PS3's cap') was the 1080p/24 playback.
.....but that's the trouble with a superficial fanboy approach, they don't really know or understand the subject they're attempting to promote ( & so obviously too).

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[quote]hughjars:

- I wasn't trying to be antagonistic, really.

But I am (still ;) ) sick & tired of seeing such obvious garbage and lies like that posted up.

You might say it's just a personal opinion but such - solitary - claims that "the PS3 wiped the floor" with the HD XA2 at SD DVD upscaling are just so utterly laughable that it's fair game to point out.

In fact given the latest 1.8 firmware I'm amazed that such a ludicrous comment was made when the one little gem in there (and I must admit a real 'feather in the PS3's cap') was the 1080p/24 playback.
.....but that's the trouble with a superficial fanboy approach, they don't really know or understand the subject they're attempting to promote ( & so obviously too).

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You act like you have a grudge against Sony. If it’s true than your point means nothing.

Some DVD's look and sound better than other DVD's depending on the movie and who released it. All you have to do is look and listen . I'm sure one BlueRay disk can look and sound better than another BlueRay disk depending on the movie and who released it. I'm sure one HD DVD disk can look and sound better than another HD DVD disk as well. You need more than just the same codec to make that comparison.
Not that I really care about movies. I use my PS3 to play games.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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You act like you have a grudge against Sony. If it’s true than your point means nothing.

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- A "grudge" against a CE corporation?
Wow, how would that work?
Do you imagine they owe me money or something ?!

Please try and discuss this sensibly.

Pointing out the errors, the inaccuracies, the obvious propaganda and the outright lies that characterise large elements of the BD comment & 'support' in this is not 'hate' or a 'grudge' actually, it's simply pointing out that we're being treated to the errors, the inaccuracies, the obvious propaganda and the outright lies.

In this case it's the idea that the PS3 is a superior upscaler at SD DVD compared to the international award winning HD XA2.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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Some DVD's look and sound better than other DVD's depending on the movie and who released it.

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- Coooo, d'you think?

Any other blinding insights and statements of the bleeding obvious you'd care to treat us to?

......and if it's a MPEG2 BD release one can almost guarantee with 100% certainty it won't be winning any 'best of' awards anywhere.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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You need more than just the same codec to make that comparison.

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- ......and when people with both formats & the reviewing mags are comparing the Warner & Paramount releases how do you think they pull that one off, huh?
Does the thought that they have 2 different high def DVD players displaying on the same screen/monitor and using the same audio kit not seem most likely, hmmmmmm?

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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Not that I really care about movies. I use my PS3 to play games.

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- Of course, I can tell how much you didn't care about any of this by making the effort to appear & say all that.
lol

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- Coooo, d'you think?

Any other blinding insights and statements of the bleeding obvious you'd care to treat us to?

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lets refrain from remarks such as this, as they serve no purpose. it doesn't matter what it was about, there's some newb cruising the site right now that could learn from any input, no matter how obvious.

have you tried that setup or are you "just talking" because you think you know it all????? i haven't but it sounds like you just reply with a "oh no, hddvd is way better than that, if you say BD is good hddvd is ten times better", that kind of replys don't tell me much except that no one knows what really is going on, so what's the point of doing it?

Originally posted by mglez86:

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have you tried that setup or are you "just talking" because you think you know it all????? i haven't but it sounds like you just reply with a "oh no, hddvd is way better than that, if you say BD is good hddvd is ten times better", that kind of replys don't tell me much except that no one knows what really is going on, so what's the point of doing it?

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His hate for Sony thats all.

I see.

So, posting the fact that the Toshiba HD XA2 is an international award winning high def player and therefore having very good grounds to challenge a comment that the PS3 supposedly "wipes the floor" with it at SD DVD upscaling is "hate" now is it?

You know you guys actually deserve the manipulation, contempt & over-priced 2nd division stuff you lap up.

This is all just a matter of personal opinion. Looking at both HD DVD and BlueRay you will see or hear very little difference if any at all. This whole battle is more about longevity, price and how it appeals to the average consumer and not these over informed technical geeks. You should really go see all the different formats and set ups for yourself and find what is best for you and your wallet.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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You know you guys actually deserve the manipulation, contempt & over-priced 2nd division stuff you lap up.

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So go enjoy your overpriced, under supported and soon to be outdated junk you love so much. Since you have all the answers anyway why do you care what we think?

I know my stating the obvious upsets you and I'm sorry but.......
You can call it what you want or try to convince yourself otherwise but it is OBVIOUS that your dripping wet with hate for Sony.

djeazyg
nothing wrong with hating sony they are kinda more assinie than the others.

With that said are any of their schemes worth while BR is nice but no better than HDVD at this point and time the PS3 is so lacking its not even funny it is being improved upon and moving slowly to fix the problems it had at launch.

All in all on these and other fronts they have shown no forethought and not placed any real effort into them to make them better than the rest(note the PS3 is maturing and in a few years be a great system but for now and the next year or 2....it suxs.).

you know, it some times seems like people loose track of what they are talking about, some times it seems like it's ps3 hate, some times it's BD hate, and most of the time it's Sony hate, any way, it's not wrong to say that X tv is good, or that X player is good, it's an insult when someone actually tries two different things, gives his opinion, and someone else who has not tried the same thing makes such comments, we learn more from the guy who actually tries out the setup, and comes here and says "look, i set it up like this, and it did this". so to eatsushi, error5, StewieGri, and dblbogey7, congratulations! keep up the good work, and i hope to hear more things like these, it doesn't matter if it comes from hd or bd, thoshiba or sony, wii or ps3, just more comments like these so i may make a good, educated decision when i buy one. thanks alot.

mglez86
in the next year or 2 with the newer revisions the PS3 should be a more solid system with most of the updates being on board that and a hopefully lower price and more games in the libary will make the PS3 a nice system to own.

the 360 is solid enough I guess,the WII seems to be more like the PS"X" was a bit of everything but uber power.

Unlike the last gen in this gen none of the systems are "perfect" they all have enough flaws to split the gaming pie 3 ways.

As for HD and BR the only reason to dislike BR is the price its more or less the same as HDVD it dose offer a bit more space but until they halve the price thats a non issue, they both are so close together its down to marketing to lure the sheeple to it and thats generally how it works.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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This is all just a matter of personal opinion.

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- I'd place several international awards as slightly better than just mere personal opinion.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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Looking at both HD DVD and BlueRay you will see or hear very little difference if any at all.

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- .....and yet this is wholly at odds with what respected owners of both formats and long-term members on the av & avs forums have to say.

Like it or not BD has only occasionally matched the quality of HD DVD, when viewing the catalogue of titles it is the simple truth that owners of both formats rate the HD DVD product as generally better than BD.

When given the choice by someone like Warner or Paramount they tend to prefer the HD DVD offering.

It's simply a fact that BD is still unfinished as a spec (and even 'profile 1.1' due in Oct is not the end of the matter) and this shows.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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This whole battle is more about longevity, price and how it appeals to the average consumer and not these over informed technical geeks.

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- LMAO.
So, ignorance is best is it?
Hilarious.

"This whole battle" is about a hell of a lot more than the BD assoc declaring themselves winners so prematurely.

It's about price, quality and providing a range of products that will replace SD DVD with ease for the regular paying punter.

HD DVD is the only format set to do that with a wide range of players at various specs and at several pricing points - prices that begin far below any point BD can possibly compete at.

BD by contrast has an over-priced games console and that's about it.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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You should really go see all the different formats and set ups for yourself and find what is best for you and your wallet.

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- I totally agree......and when you find you get the same or superior pictures and sound from HD DVD you might well wonder why the hell the entry level BD offering is at least 50% more expensive than the entry level HD DVD offering.

....that is if you can find somewhere that hasnt been paid off to hide the HD DVD stuff away in a corner and switched off (or even more laughably as I heard today playing SD DVD), as seems suspiciously common.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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So go enjoy your overpriced

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- LMAO.

Yeah HD DVD compared to BD is just sooooo expensive. Riiiiiight.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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under supported

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- Er, you'll find that Universal is about the biggest of them all, Warner & Paramount are HD DVD supporters of consequence & Studio Canal are bigger than Fox or MGN.

HD DVD also benefits from being region free - so when, thanks to the various international publishing and distribution rights ,a lot of those titles that are BD exclusive in the USA turn out not to be elsewhere, HD DVD owners can buy them from anywhere and enjoy.

It's been worked out as things stand now BD has a potential of 48,000 titles & HD DVD 40,000 - and that's when you make the (fatal) assumption that nothing will change.

But you can bet on it; as HD DVD starts to take the a/v market the content will follow the money & more of those BD content providers will go format neutral......in the same way as those previously 'BD exclusive' hardware manufacturers (LG & Samsung) have done already.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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soon to be outdated junk

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- LMAO.

Outdated?
In what way are 720p/1080i/1080p Dolby HD audio and all the rest "outdated"!?

Give up the propaganda and wake up.
HD DVD is not going away anywhere, BD failed to knock HD DVD out of the market.

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you love so much.

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You can stick to you ludicrous notions of "love" for a CE company if you like.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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Since you have all the answers anyway why do you care what we think?

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- ......and you risibly high opinion of your self is laughably transperent.
Don't flatter yourself.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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I know my stating the obvious upsets you

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- Despite your rather obvious wishful 'thinking' you're wrong again, I just found it rather vaccous and pointless.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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You can call it what you want or try to convince yourself otherwise but it is OBVIOUS that your dripping wet with hate for Sony.

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- Oh dear. You're projecting once again.

You 'enjoy' your ludicrous and faintly tragic notions of "hate" for CE companys.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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I'd place several international awards as slightly better than just mere personal opinion.

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Awards never was factor in the outcome of any format war or system therefore that award was a matter of opinion from that group.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- .....and yet this is wholly at odds with what respected owners of both formats and long-term members on the av & avs forums have to say.

Like it or not BD has only occasionally matched the quality of HD DVD, when viewing the catalogue of titles it is the simple truth that owners of both formats rate the HD DVD product as generally better than BD.

When given the choice by someone like Warner or Paramount they tend to prefer the HD DVD offering.



It's simply a fact that BD is still unfinished as a spec (and even 'profile 1.1' due in Oct is not the end of the matter) and this shows.

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That totally Bull ish there are alot of supporter of both formats on AVS Forum. not one format has a clear advantages over the other i challenge you to back up the totally false claim that you made read my post i made here as it will enlighten you on the facts not blind hate.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9924.cfm

Originally posted by hughjars:

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- LMAO.

Outdated?
In what way are 720p/1080i/1080p Dolby HD audio and all the rest "outdated"!?

Give up the propaganda and wake up.
HD DVD is not going away anywhere, BD failed to knock HD DVD out of the market

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You got it backward it was HD-DVD that launch first & had a clear path to knock Blu-ray out the market with a cheaper price but that didn't happen Blu-ray counter & you know the rest of the story.

Originally posted by hughjars:

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It's about price, quality and providing a range of products that will replace SD DVD with ease for the regular paying punter.

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See this is where you don't get it High def format is not here right now to over take SD market its only a enhancement for now because high def got to build a strong market of there own before anyone can even think about replacing SD format for now.Blu-Ray had the only title that broke in the SD format top 10.

NexGen76
I think his point is one of these formats need to be solid enough to repalce SD in the coming years it will be 5-9 years but one will replace SD.

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Awards never was factor in the outcome of any format war or system therefore that award was a matter of opinion from that group.

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- Run around in circles over this all you like but the fact remains the Toshiba HD XA2 has won several awards for the quality of it's image & sound - including it's upscaling abilities.

So go on then, this compares to how many & which international awards the PS3 has gathered in these areas, hmmmmm?

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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That totally Bull ish there are alot of supporter of both formats on AVS Forum. not one format has a clear advantages over the other i challenge you to back up the totally false claim that you made read my post i made here as it will enlighten you on the facts

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- .....and I refer you to the answer I gave.

If you look at all the releases to date it is BD that has the list of horrors and a significant number of BD titles have appeared without the latest high quality sound.

That's (unfortunately for you) not BS but the accurate and whole truth of the matter.

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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not blind hate.

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- Grow up.

What kind of infants honestly hold either 'love' or 'hate' for an electronics company or a movie format?

Originally posted by NexGen76:

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You got it backward it was HD-DVD that launch first & had a clear path to knock Blu-ray out the market with a cheaper price but that didn't happen Blu-ray counter & you know the rest of the story.

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- Er, actually one of the reasons why BD is unfinished is beacuse they rushed it out to compete with HD DVD.

BD owes a lot of people a lot of money.

It was BD that needed to dispose of the competition - which is why we have all been treated to the campaign of idiotic lies and propaganda since CES 2007 as they attempted to build 'momentum' to try and kill off HD DVD.

It's not the HD DVD side that routinely lie about their competitor or ludicrously inflate their own claims.

......and PS3 was always coming, in what kind of demented reality could Toshiba's then 2 HD DVD players kill the PS3 project off?
Wise up to reality and don't be so silly.

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See this is where you don't get it High def format is not here right now to over take SD market

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- Don't be silly, of course that is the ultimate aim......and it is HD DVD that is placed to make the change-over easily.

If you're looking to buy a new SD DVD player after this X-mas (when you will be able to buy a Toshiba HD DVD player for about $200 or a Chinese branded HD DVD player for anything between $100 - $150) who is going to buy a regular SD DVD player?

That's how this will be done.

Not only are the Toshiba excellent upscaling SD DVD players they also happen to include high quality HD DVD abilities.....and all at a price far below what the BD competition can offer.

The recent price drops already show this 'war' is far from over and when it comes to the regular a/v market price will (as always) be king.
Fortunately HD DVD also offers excellent quality as well as superb value price-tag.

You really have no life do you. So far BlueRay is winning and you hate it. (I did not say they won I said they are winning) Your opinion is you hate Sony and It shows more and more with every post and all the other threads you post in. After reading all that I can see you are not worth the time it takes to debate with you.
I don’t know what company you represent but Your claim of awards don't mean squat. An award is nothing more than a shared OPINION! Just because a lot of people think Brittany Spears deserves awards for her singing doesn't mean I should think she is a great singer. As far as I'm concerned she sucks.
You’re kidding with this line of bull right?
Enjoy your delusion. I know others share it with you. I wish you all well in the coming years.

LMAO

Your lame attempts to troll and bait are as predictable as they are futile.

Yeah, ok, whatever you say.
The total high def market isn't even 1% of the total movie disc market
(approx 2 million sales of both formats combined compared to over 750 million SD DVD disc sales last year alone)
but you want to insist on finding todays high def sales numbers enormously significant.....and then pretend everyone else is as emotive about it all as you.

I think we can all spot the delusional one here.

Better luck next time.

Originally posted by djeazyg:

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You really have no life do you. So far BlueRay is winning and you hate it. (I did not say they won I said they are winning) Your opinion is you hate Sony and It shows more and more with every post and all the other threads you post in. After reading all that I can see you are not worth the time it takes to debate with you.
I don’t know what company you represent but Your claim of awards don't mean squat. An award is nothing more than a shared OPINION! Just because a lot of people think Brittany Spears deserves awards for her singing doesn't mean I should think she is a great singer. As far as I'm concerned she sucks.
You’re kidding with this line of bull right?
Enjoy your delusion. I know others share it with you. I wish you all well in the coming years.

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I agree sometimes you just can't get people to see past there own nose...

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NexGen76
I think his point is one of these formats need to be solid enough to repalce SD in the coming years it will be 5-9 years but one will replace SD.

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That why i said not now but i couldn't agree with you more.

......and of course no little message board spat would be complete without those complaining about a POV they can't abide then moving on to attack the poster of that POV as "having no life" for occasionally posting that POV on the board.

Yeah, way to go guys, brains at work. Not.

Perhaps you'd prefer that everyone not toeing the lie just shuts up and you can just kill off the debate in the community entirely?

.....or better yet if you really want that sort of childish back-slapping self-congratulatory BS for 'thinking' in the same way why not stick to the 'bubble' of your PS3/BD fanzine sites?

That way you can be safe and secure in the knowledge that you need never encounter another contrary view or awkward piece of information ever again or "over informed technical geeks" (that one is a classic).......or, dare I say it, someone over 30 who finds your dreary and very 'small' world-view of 'love' or 'hate' for inanimate CE corporations so laughably tedious & limited.

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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djeazyg
nothing wrong with hating sony they are kinda more assinie than the others.

With that said are any of their schemes worth while BR is nice but no better than HDVD at this point and time the PS3 is so lacking its not even funny it is being improved upon and moving slowly to fix the problems it had at launch.

All in all on these and other fronts they have shown no forethought and not placed any real effort into them to make them better than the rest(note the PS3 is maturing and in a few years be a great system but for now and the next year or 2....it suxs.).

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I'm sorry Zippy, I didn't notice you posted here. I didn't mean to ignore you.
The other guy was so "enlightening" that I didn't see you commented.
I’ll bet you he’s so smart he didn’t notice that I’m being sarcastic.

I wouldn’t say the PS3 sucks. Disappointing for sure but when the games start rolling out this will change. Now if the games that come out are crappy then I will agree with you and say it sucks. This past update really did wonders for my faith in Sony. It was a great start and at least they are not throwing in the towel.
I got a little side note for you. My nieces husband works part time at an EB Games and got a 360 Elite. He returned it in a week for repair because it over heated and gave him the ring of death. Now this is the only return for the 360 Elite at this particular EB Games but it is still not a good thing. He got another one and all is well and he loves it. Just thought you might find that interesting.

Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:

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NexGen76
I think his point is one of these formats need to be solid enough to repalce SD in the coming years it will be 5-9 years but one will replace SD.

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I couldn’t agree more. I actually think that a new contender in the HD format war will emerge and blow both BlueRay and HD-DVD out of the water. I never said that either format would take over next week. Now he’s making shit up.


As for hating Sony……….He can hate Sony all he wants. I hate Sony for screwing up the launch of the PS3. I had high hopes for it but it looks like I will have to wait a while before Sony gets there shit together.
He can also attack me all he wants. Everything he said changes nothing. He’s a Sony hater but can’t admit it. He’s in denial. I’m trying to help him deal with his little problem but there is only so much I can do. All his useless facts and jabs at me are the same as he does on all the other threads he comments on. Most of the time he is bashing Sony. I would rather talk to somebody that has something useful to say. I’ve said it before, this is a web forum. Not real life. People need to RELAX!!!

i'm sorry for those who hate questions, but i must, so quality i always see that it takes more storage space away, but even when you have high def dvd, if you don't have high def tv you don't see a difference, so what if the real problem for BD is that tvs aren't good enough for now??? just a question, don't get pissed about it, and please enlighten me.

Originally posted by mglez86:

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i'm sorry for those who hate questions, but i must, so quality i always see that it takes more storage space away, but even when you have high def dvd, if you don't have high def tv you don't see a difference, so what if the real problem for BD is that tvs aren't good enough for now??? just a question, don't get pissed about it, and please enlighten me.

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BD and HDVD are pretty much the same there are thos that claim one as all and refuse to give the other its due,BD has had some codec issues but has gotten over that the trouble with BD is the protection schemes sony will force on it after the rootkit fiasco not many trust sony to make a working protection scheme that wont blank a disc.

I like BD for the size but price and protection worries make it less of a deal,HDVD still seems the better more coherent format,if sony can get 100GB discs out ASAP I might lean back to BD :X

if you guys cannot have a conversation without calling each other names or making shitty remarks, then the thread will be closed and everyone on it will be banned permenantly.

Any addicts on this thread should be trying to calm things down, if it doesn't work get in touch with me and i'll deal with it my way (which of course means everyone dies).

The PS3 is coming along the interface(control) is a bit annoying cant wait till some 3rd party keyboard and mouse adapters are made for it I have given up on devs putting control back into games more than willing to whine about it tho :P

the PS3 needs a price drop more than games currently...



darthnip
thank you for your hard work!

Last week I gave a subjective ranking on the upconversion performance of three HD players including the 1.8 updated PS3. To a get a more objective handle on these rankings I ordered the HQV Benchmark DVD...

http://www.hqv.com/benchmark.cfm

... and again put the three players to the test. The objective tests just confirmed the validity of my subjective rankings with the following total scores:

1. Toshiba HD-XA2 - 130 (out of a possible 130)
2. Toshiba HD-A1 - 116
3. PS3 with 1.8 Update - 91

Here are the details (average of 3 different viewers):

>Toshiba HD-XA2 with 1.6 Firmware
Color Bar/Vertical Detail - Pass – 10 of 10
Jaggies Pattern 1 - Pass – 5 of 5
Jaggies Pattern 2 - Pass – 5 of 5
Flag - Pass – 10 of 10
Picture Detail - Pass – 10 of 10
Noise Reduction - Pass – 10 of 10
Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction - Pass – 10 of 10
3:2 Detection - Pass – 10 of 10
Film Cadence - Pass – Combined 40 of 40
Mixed 3:2 Film, Horizontal Text Crawl - Pass – 10 of 10
Mixed 3:2 Film, Vertical Text Crawl - Pass – 10 of 10
Total Score - 130 out of a possible 130

>Toshiba HD-A1 with 2.2 Firmware
Color Bar/Vertical Detail - Pass – 10 of 10
Jaggies Pattern 1 - Pass – 3 of 5
Jaggies Pattern 2 - Pass – 3 of 5
Flag - Pass – 5 of 10
Picture Detail - Pass – 10 of 10
Noise Reduction - Pass – 10 of 10
Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction - Pass – 10 of 10
3:2 Detection - Pass – 10 of 10
Film Cadence - Pass – Combined 40 of 40
Mixed 3:2 Film, Horizontal Text Crawl - Pass – 5 of 10
Mixed 3:2 Film, Vertical Text Crawl - Pass – 10 of 10
Total Score - 116 out of a possible 130

>PS3 with 1.8 Update
Color Bar/Vertical Detail - Pass – 10 of 10
Jaggies Pattern 1 - Pass – 3 of 5
Jaggies Pattern 2 - Pass – 3 of 5
Flag - Pass – 5 of 10
Picture Detail - Pass – 5 of 10
Noise Reduction - Pass – 5 of 10
Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction - Pass – 5 of 10
3:2 Detection - Pass – 10 of 10
Film Cadence - Pass – Combined 30 of 40
Mixed 3:2 Film, Horizontal Text Crawl - Pass – 5 of 10
Mixed 3:2 Film, Vertical Text Crawl - Pass – 10 of 10
Total Score - 91 out of a possible 130

We tried my friend's PS3 which still had the 1.7 Software and the total HQV benchmark score was a measly 38 (average) and failed most of the tests. So overall, a very good effort from Sony.

The remote media access feature is a welcomed addition. Does this work soemthing like Orb?