Daewoo shows off Blu-ray player at IFA

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The company has not announced any release date yet or given any clue to how much it will cost.

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- Of course not.

This was just a PR demo/prototype model of what they hope to be producing some time in the future.

(Hmmmm, Daewoo. Not a company with the greatest quality rep either)

Anyhoo, this is supposed to be a 'profile 2.0' compliant Blu-ray player.

But there's no way anyone is getting 'profile 2.0' Blu-ray before they have finally gotten 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray to the market.

There's not a single 'profile 1.1' Blu-ray player available right now, there's no serious indication of when one is coming and they have put back the mandatory introduction of 'profile 1.1' to Nov.

......which is why they are rushing out new non-profile 1.1 players to market now before the deadline.

I wonder how many people buying Blu-ray players at least in part on the basis of the supposedly 'advanced features' (which require 'profile 1.1' or 'profile 2.0' compliance) are going to end up being very pi*sed off at their being misled by the advertising
(which dishonestly implies they can all do all the 'extra' stuff)?

Happily HD DVD offers all those extra features now (and done better with iHD too).
And the most available content.
And the most exclusive content.
And the largest potential catalogue.
And all at a sound and image quality only equalled by Blu-ray sometimes, often not.
And all at much lower prices.

I have to say I'm skeptical too. I mean the concept is good but isn't daewoo a company that has a rep fro selling cheap electronics? Am I wrong? Correct me if I am tho!

A player that is compatible with all Blu-ray features, and be a true 2.0 player... well, let's just say even with the extra time it will take them to roll this out in mind + the pricing system these days, it will be quite a large price tag no?

hughjars seriously do you just jump into anything sony or blu ray just to spit garbage out of your mouth? this is getting old. please stop already

Originally posted by banshee07:

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hughjars seriously do you just jump into anything sony or blu ray just to spit garbage out of your mouth? this is getting old. please stop already

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- Must have hit a raw nerve.

Awkward facts will do that for some people.

You'll be trying to tell us that anyone pointing out the poor picture quality in many Blu-ray movies or how many Blu-ray movies only have relatively 'low-fi' sound (despite all the claims about the format's potential huge space) is just a fanboy lie too I take it?

Then again their latest b*lls-up is pretty funny but I suppose anyone spotting the laughably ridiculous cropping in one of those supposedly 'killer' Blu-ray movies (POTC) is just a fanboy too?

(seriously, cropped off heads and everything.....the Blu-ray shills & fanboys twisting & turning trying to defend it on the avsforums are hilarious and well worth a look for a laugh.
Screen shots etc here - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898666)

never said i was a fanboy just tired of reading your b.s. as as many others on the site.


and you are right bout the potc it was a bad crop job. And what about traffic on hd-dvd do we need to talk about the issues that were on that disk?

what exclusives that hd-dvd hold more than blu-ray has seeing how you say they have more exclusives?

and the lo-fi sound? maybe playing it through your 13 inch black and white tv you get lo-fi sound. let the cobwebs out and get better audio equipment.

Originally posted by banshee07:

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never said i was a fanboy just tired of reading your b.s. as as many others on the site.

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- Well tough t*tty old son, it's a public discussion forum and I'm as entitled to my say as any Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanboy/shill.

Some people appreciate the facts - which are often sadly lacking from far too many of the game-console fanboy type poster's comments here.

Originally posted by banshee07:

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and you are right bout the potc it was a bad crop job.

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- So I take it then that you might agree that's it's fair comment and exactly the sort of thing people might like to know about and discuss when we're referring to the situation regarding the high def formats, huh?

Originally posted by banshee07:

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And what about traffic on hd-dvd do we need to talk about the issues that were on that disk?

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- Er, what "issues"?

It wasn't the greatest HD DVD movie yet produced but it was decent enough.
Dolby Digital+ @ 1.5mbps audio and VC-1 image......and what?

Review here -
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/traffic.html

I know a few HD DVD movies had playback problems with some players but they were either faulty discs replaced very quickly or else players in need of a firmware upgrade which was also produced quickly.
You're not trying to imply that no Blu-ray players or movies ever had similar issues are you cos I know for a fact that the Samsung BDP1000 had several 'issues' and they had a problem with 'disc rot' on some discs
(again.....the same Sony plant had similar troubles when they made laser discs).

Originally posted by banshee07:

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what exclusives that hd-dvd hold more than blu-ray has seeing how you say they have more exclusives?

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- This site shows the exclusives available in the USA
(HD DVD here -
http://hddvdstats.com/index.php

and Blu-ray here -
http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php ),

it currently shows
(and remember this is pre-the Viacom/Paramount move)
Blu-ray with 184 exclusive movies and HD DVD with 179.
But this is not true; it only applies to movies within the USA and in fact the Blu-ray total is approx 60 less 'exclusive movies' than claimed.

Thanks to different publishing and distribution deals in other parts of the world
(and thanks to HD DVD being region-free everytime)
you can source over 60 of those supposedly 'Blu-ray exclusive' movies internationally on HD DVD because they are actually only 'Blu-ray exclusive' in the USA.

These sites show you which and how; there are lists of over 60 of those movies here -
http://areahd.dvdtiefpreise.com/?p=109
and here
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?p=45960#post45960

Therefore HD DVD also has just over 60 discs to add to the total available claimed at this site (292 + 60 = 352) to Blu-ray's total of 297.

Like I said HD DVD has more actual content and more exclusive content.
The catalogue of potential HD DVD movies is greater too.

Before Paramounts announcement a Blu-Ray supporter had access to 62% of all available HiDef titles, while a HD DVD supporter had access to 61%.

After the Viacom/Paramount/Dreamworks/MTV Film/Nickelodeon announcement the HD DVD supporter still has 61% - that hasn't changed, but the Blu-Ray supporter now has only 55%.

These stats do not take imports into account disks distributed in other countries (than the USA) - HD DVD's Studio Canal releases aren't there in those stats for instance.
The figures are based on:

http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php

http://hddvdstats.com/index.php

These cover American releases only.

Neither owner gives up on half of all available titles.

The HD DVD supporter misses out on 39% while the Blu-Ray owner now misses out on 45%.

But if you take into account that 60 of those supposedly 'exclusive' Blu-ray titles are in fact available on HD DVD internationally (which thanks to HD DVD being region-free everytime you can buy without worry) it turns out Blu-ray currently has in fact only 124 or so exclusive titles (and that was before this move by Viacom/Paramount. MTV Film/Dreamworks/Nickelodeon).

Now that they have decided so decisively Paramount will begin to ramp up production which will actually end up making a much bigger difference than before or is visible in those numbers too
(and offsetting the return of Fox to Blu-ray disc production.......cos they were nowhere to be seen until their announcement the day after Paramount spoke - and have yet to deliver into the market anything tangible).

Originally posted by banshee07:

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and the lo-fi sound?

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- Actually I said "relatively low-fi sound".

107 releases with vanilla 'Dolby Digital' the primary audio, actually.

Unfortunately far too many of the Sony/PS3/Blu-ray fanclub like to pretend almost every Blu-ray release is on a BD50 dual layer 50gb disc at the maximum peak of what the format might be capable of in audio and image quality.

That's far from the truth.

The majority of Blu-ray relases have been MPEG2 and on BD25 single layer 25gb discs
(this is in fact less capacity than the majority of HD DVD disc releases.
206 HD DVD 30gb discs = 73% of HD DVD releases verses 178 BD 25 = 60.9% of Blu-ray releases).

Total 25gb Blu-ray discs released so far: 178 (out of around 297 titles released to date).
Codecs used by Blu-ray -

150 - MPEG-2
80 - AVC
65 - VC-1

http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php

Originally posted by banshee07:

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maybe playing it through your 13 inch black and white tv you get lo-fi sound.

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- Let's just stick to the facts and try not to be so silly, huh?

Originally posted by banshee07:

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let the cobwebs out and get better audio equipment.

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- My a/v kit is just fine thanks.

So hughjars, what HD-DVD player and high def tv do you have?

Can I join the hughjars 'take a break' club as well. This guy is seriously disturbed. Anything that may hint at blu-ray doing something right is jumped on by him. On the other hand, HD-DVD can do no wrong in his eyes. He is the first disc format fanboy I know, and he takes it all so seriously. Well done, hughjars, may I award you the medal of geekiness.

Originally posted by jacsac:

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So hughjars, what HD-DVD player and high def tv do you have?

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- Which will 'prove' what anyways?
You believe everything you read on the net, do you?

I've made no secret of it, I have the XBox 360 HD DVD add-on running off of my PC.

My TV is 720p/1080i thanks.

Now what?

Originally posted by connolly:

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Can I join the hughjars 'take a break' club as well.

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- Awwww, what's up, am I disturbing the flow of pro-Blu-ray PR?

Originally posted by connolly:

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This guy is seriously disturbed.

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- LMAO.

Of course, how predictable.
Naturally anyone putting counter-points to the torrent of pro-Blu-ray PR just has to be "disturbed".
Too funny.

Originally posted by connolly:

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Anything that may hint at blu-ray doing something right is jumped on by him.

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- Well if the tale is partial or inaccurate then yeah, if I see it I'll come in and put a contrary view with the facts and links to prove it.

There are some people here who appreciate it, you know.

Originally posted by connolly:

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On the other hand, HD-DVD can do no wrong in his eyes.

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- Er, actually I'm usually commenting on the claims and facts surrounding Blu-ray
(cos mainly they are invariably the ones slamming HD DVD and spouting half-truth and lies).

HD DVD is not perfection itself at every point but on balance it is, by far, better for the consumer than Blu-ray.
BD+ alone ought to be all the warning most should need.

Originally posted by connolly:

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He is the first disc format fanboy I know, and he takes it all so seriously.

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- Yeah, imagine anyone being seriosuly into any of this. That's weird, that's "disturbed" (according to you).

If you can point out anyone else giving the facts about Blu-ray around here then I'll happily let them take the lead.

But I'm not seeing anyone showing how the Blu-ray stand-alones won't play BD -R & BD -RE discs;
I don't see anyone mentioning the Blu-ray 'profile 1.1' has been delayed;
I haven't even seen a single mention of Blu-ray 'profile 2.0' and
I have never seen anyone mention things like HD DVD having the largest amount of available content or the largest amount of exclusive content.

......and I sure as hell haven't seen anyone showing how those 60+ supposedly Blu-ray exclusive movies are available on HD DVD and how to get them.

Originally posted by connolly:

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Well done, hughjars, may I award you the medal of geekiness.

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- I'll take that as a compliament.

Thank you so much. :P

@ hughjars

You must be a laugh in the pub.

barman - 'The wife and kids alright are they mate'

hughjars - 'Doing just fine thanks. But the new Daewoo Blu-ray player is a right box of shite'

barman - 'Oh alright. So what car you driving at the moment'

hughjars - 'A Ford thanks, but the blu-ray trojan horse that is the PS3 is bang out of order in my opinion. Its unfairly promoting an substandard format'

Barman smiles and moves away slowly.

Anyway

Promote your format of choice in threads about that format if you want but leaving essays about how shite blu-ray is in every thread makes you look like a right twat.

Yeah, of course.
What an accurate & appropriate analogy. Not.

Nevermind what is said just attack the guy saying it, huh?

........and how terrible of me to come to a place dedicated to discussing the latest in a/v & computers and not be a vacuous game-console fanboy or talk about cars or my family!?

Jeeezuss and you have the cheek to talk about anyone else looking a "right tw*t" here!?

Originally posted by hughjars:

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Yeah, of course.
What an accurate & appropriate analogy. Not.

Nevermind what is said just attack the guy saying it, huh?

........and how terrible of me to come to a place dedicated to discussing the latest in a/v & computers and not be a vacuous game-console fanboy or talk about cars or my family!?

Jeeezuss and you have the cheek to talk about anyone else looking a "right tw*t" here!?

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Hughjars:

What they are saying is you never say anything negative about HD-DVD which there are just like Bluray but if someone say anything positive about Bluray you jump on them.Its fine to debate but it isn't cool to jump down people throats about Bluray on every Bluray news tread.People have the right to own what ever they want.

@ hughjars

I didn't comment on the facts of your argument, they may be true, I don't really care.

What irritates me and others by the look of it is your method of getting the points across. It's overbearing, immature and a bit ranting. This is what I was intimating in my previous post.

Nevermind, lets just leave it at that. Have a good day.

How come I never read about the Lite-On hybrid player on these posts?
That should make everyone happy considering it supports both formats....

Originally posted by 24Lover:

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What they are saying is you never say anything negative about HD-DVD which there are just like Bluray

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- But that's just it, HD DVD is nothing like the same as Blu-ray when it comes to 'security' and the damage it is specifically designed to do to the sharing community.

That and the fact that they have spent the last year and a half slamming HD DVD with half-truths and lies.

They're just reaping what they sowed.

Originally posted by 24Lover:

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if someone say anything positive about Bluray you jump on them.

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- Oh get off of it, it's a public & open message board for discussing just these types of issues.

When I've given opinion I say so and when I've stated facts I've backed them up......no-one is forcing anyone to take the slightest bit of notice in any way.
Those interested will have a look and those not will undoubtedly move on to something that does interest them.

Originally posted by 24Lover:

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People have the right to own what ever they want.

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- Obviously - and a debate here or anywhere else doesn't stop, or 'make', people do anything.

Originally posted by connolly:

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Have a good day.

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- You too. ;)

Originally posted by Jay1gee:

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How come I never read about the Lite-On hybrid player on these posts?
That should make everyone happy considering it supports both formats....

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- Sadly it doesn't support iHD (the HD DVD interactive functions) fully and so cannot carry the official HD DVD badge (and it hasn't been approved by the DVD Forum, the body which regulates and approves 'official' HD DVD kit).
It's also only Blu-ray 'profile 1.0' compliant = built-in obsolescence.

Hybrid/dual format may be the way to go but that still doesn't address the BD+ problems with so-called 'security' etc etc which are inherent with the BD design.
Nor does it address the fact that Blu-ray is a region encoded format unlike HD DVD.

The Samsung BDP5000 was hoped to be a better stab at the dual format player (it is DVD Forum approved & iHD functional) but according to the German website it is not (as was originally hoped) 'profile 1.1' compliant either.

Some people might like to just ignore all the 'profile' business but it indicates just how 'unfinished' Blu-ray is as a format and the way people are being (IMO dishonestly) sold equipment that is under-spec'd for the features it is being advertsied as having.

doesn't Daewoo also make cheap cars?

whats next? Hyundai Blu-ray players? lmao

this is all well and good however wat is the price like?