Apple loses patent case to Samsung in Japan

It seem that Samsung is winning all over the planet except the USA. I wonder why?? Only apple lover would give them a free ride.

I think this juror, who has come out with comments about the case has made the judgment even more ill judged, other countries like Germany UK and Holland have thrown the case out, and now Korea and Japan have sided with Samsung but Korea also found for apple. The problem is that the rest of the world might get things that the USA want.
I was also surprised when some tech journalist claimed this would help innovation and prices for consumers, how thats going to happen. the idea of Patents is you can use a thing if you agree a license fee, which all that needs to be done.

Also i don't think its an American thing, i.e bias, but you do wonder what about Samsung claims for infringement

Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I can't understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I can't understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

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It is a cheap version of iOS. If by cheap you mean that it is inexpensive and by version of iOS you mean a smartphone operating system.

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I cant understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

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Cheap version? lol iphones are for morons that dont know any better what you can do with smart phones. You keep your iphone crap, fanboy.

It's spelled "fanboi" ;)

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It is a cheap version of iOS. If by cheap you mean that it is inexpensive and by version of iOS you mean a smartphone operating system.

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Cheap as in "poor imitation" and iOS as in apple operating system.
It's not hard to understand!!!

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Cheap version? lol iphones are for morons that dont know any better what you can do with smart phones. You keep your iphone crap, fanboy.

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Erm... yea... we have this little technique called jailbreaking, so I can do anything I want to it!
Uneducated fool

I saw the news Samsung owns a lot of 4G LTE patents, not surprising since Samsung has been in the Telecom industry for a while. Samsung will sue Apple as soon as Apple puts LTE in its phone, sounding like anybody making LTE phone will have to use Samsung patents. Anyway, Samsung has a lot going for them. They have just about every technology, from the screen, to CPU, to memory, to telecom technologies. And the most formidable weapon Korean work attitude. Look how they surpassed Japan in consumer electronics. Apple's dominance won't be for long. Enjoy the victory when you can, Apple. How long Apple can ride this? Samsung already sells the most mobile phones in the world. Selling the most smartphones is a matter of a very short time.

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Erm... yea... we have this little technique called jailbreaking, so I can do anything I want to it!
Uneducated fool

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Are you joking? Never before has a company been so vehemently opposed to giving it's customers the freedom of choice as Apple; they constantly sue jailbreak engineers and patch holes in order to force you to stay in their little box.

Android lets you do everything you could do with an iPhone and more without jailbreaking it, because they know that their customers want to have complete operational control of their device.

I hope you never drop your iPhone, because if it's jailbroken (a very simple test will confirm), then they won't replace it. Don't have to worry about that with an Android phone.

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Erm... yea... we have this little technique called jailbreaking, so I can do anything I want to it!
Uneducated fool

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Are you joking? Never before has a company been so vehemently opposed to giving it's customers the freedom of choice as Apple; they constantly sue jailbreak engineers and patch holes in order to force you to stay in their little box.

Android lets you do everything you could do with an iPhone and more without jailbreaking it, because they know that their customers want to have complete operational control of their device.

I hope you never drop your iPhone, because if it's jailbroken (a very simple test will confirm), then they won't replace it. Don't have to worry about that with an Android phone.

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I'm well aware of the fact android doesn't need jailbreaking, like I already said my wife has one and although I do quite like it, the overall usage of the device just doesn't float my metaphorical boat, I can't even explain why, it just doesn't seem right, and the only reason I would switch to the droid is if apple managed to permanently lock down iOS, then I would change (but not to Samsung).

As for droppin it, what kind of mug do u think I am, I would repair any breakage myself, I have repaired many broken iPhones, a monkey could do it and apart from a damaged logic board anything is replaceable!

As for apple been a money magnet, hate the game not the player!

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Originally posted by Notcow:

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Erm... yea... we have this little technique called jailbreaking, so I can do anything I want to it!
Uneducated fool

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Are you joking? Never before has a company been so vehemently opposed to giving it's customers the freedom of choice as Apple; they constantly sue jailbreak engineers and patch holes in order to force you to stay in their little box.

Android lets you do everything you could do with an iPhone and more without jailbreaking it, because they know that their customers want to have complete operational control of their device.

I hope you never drop your iPhone, because if it's jailbroken (a very simple test will confirm), then they won't replace it. Don't have to worry about that with an Android phone.

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I'm well aware of the fact android doesn't need jailbreaking, like I already said my wife has one and although I do quite like it, the overall usage of the device just doesn't float my metaphorical boat, I can't even explain why, it just doesn't seem right, and the only reason I would switch to the droid is if apple managed to permanently lock down iOS, then I would change (but not to Samsung).

As for droppin it, what kind of mug do u think I am, I would repair any breakage myself, I have repaired many broken iPhones, a monkey could do it and apart from a damaged logic board anything is replaceable!

As for apple been a money magnet, hate the game not the player!

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Unfortunately for your original argument, Samsung has nothing to do with the operating system. That would be google that is responsible for the "cheap imitation of iOS". Samsung made the hardware. Doh!

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I'm well aware of the fact android doesn't need jailbreaking, like I already said my wife has one and although I do quite like it, the overall usage of the device just doesn't float my metaphorical boat, I can't even explain why, it just doesn't seem right, and the only reason I would switch to the droid is if apple managed to permanently lock down iOS, then I would change (but not to Samsung).

As for droppin it, what kind of mug do u think I am, I would repair any breakage myself, I have repaired many broken iPhones, a monkey could do it and apart from a damaged logic board anything is replaceable!

As for apple been a money magnet, hate the game not the player!

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Oy, what a sad defense of iOS. If you really want to use a super-restrictive OS that is slowly becoming closer and closer to becoming "locked down" in favor of Android, which you just can't "feel" (whatever that means), then more power to ya.

I for one enjoy having the knowledge that if I break my phone, regardless of whether I can or cannot repair it myself, Google is willing to repair it completely free of charge, which they have done for me once already. Supporting a company that openly hates its customers as much as Apple does would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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Oy, what a sad defense of iOS. If you really want to use a super-restrictive OS that is slowly becoming closer and closer to becoming "locked down" in favor of Android, which you just can't "feel" (whatever that means), then more power to ya.

I for one enjoy having the knowledge that if I break my phone, regardless of whether I can or cannot repair it myself, Google is willing to repair it completely free of charge, which they have done for me once already. Supporting a company that openly hates its customers as much as Apple does would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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I couldn't agree more. crApple: Here, buy our over-priced products. But if you tamper with them in any way whatsoever, we're going to sue you for all you're worth.

Thank you, but no!

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I can't understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

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Apple didn't come up with that little button to swap photo/video states.

That was in the WinMobile phones, before Iphones came out.

I guess Microsoft didn't patent that so called tech and Apple found out about that and must think they actually came up with that "tech" to have any sort of patent on it.

Apple has a couple patents but the company with the most patents is actually Samsung, they have around 14,000 patents where as apple only has around 3,000 most must be waste of time patents like the one you brought up about the camera state swap button.

That again has been in Windows Mobiles phones.

I guess MS must have broken the Apple patents if MS have that Apple "tech" in their phones before Apple even had an iOS for phones.

Samsung own the patents for any phone to actually use CDMA/GSM signals in/out of a mobile device, they have design patents for the chips even when other companies still make chips they have to license off Samsung to make those chips.

Apple is going to find it extremely hard to make product whole reason why they have turned to foxconn to make any of their devices, but it's all made with Samsung designed and patented products.

So when you buy an Apple device your really just buying a Samsung device not made by Samsung.

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Originally posted by snardos:

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It is a cheap version of iOS. If by cheap you mean that it is inexpensive and by version of iOS you mean a smartphone operating system.

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Cheap as in "poor imitation" and iOS as in apple operating system.
It's not hard to understand!!!

Originally posted by shpion1:

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Cheap version? lol iphones are for morons that dont know any better what you can do with smart phones. You keep your iphone crap, fanboy.

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Erm... yea... we have this little technique called jailbreaking, so I can do anything I want to it!
Uneducated fool

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Just get an Android and you won't need to jailbreak it.

Originally posted by xtago:

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Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I can't understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

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Apple didn't come up with that little button to swap photo/video states.

That was in the WinMobile phones, before Iphones came out.

I guess Microsoft didn't patent that so called tech and Apple found out about that and must think they actually came up with that "tech" to have any sort of patent on it.

Apple has a couple patents but the company with the most patents is actually Samsung, they have around 14,000 patents where as apple only has around 3,000 most must be waste of time patents like the one you brought up about the camera state swap button.

That again has been in Windows Mobiles phones.

I guess MS must have broken the Apple patents if MS have that Apple "tech" in their phones before Apple even had an iOS for phones.

Samsung own the patents for any phone to actually use CDMA/GSM signals in/out of a mobile device, they have design patents for the chips even when other companies still make chips they have to license off Samsung to make those chips.

Apple is going to find it extremely hard to make product whole reason why they have turned to foxconn to make any of their devices, but it's all made with Samsung designed and patented products.

So when you buy an Apple device your really just buying a Samsung device not made by Samsung.

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It's not that Microsoft didn't patent the tech, they just have cross licensing agreements with Apple. They each can use the other's tech without lawsuits. I bet Apple wishes they could sue Microsoft again. Seems that is all they can do these days.

I laugh my ass off reading all the Samsung "fanboy" comments, so passionate about the fight!
Out of the few people I know who own a Samsung android, I hear a few common things said, like "it will do me" and "well I couldn't afford an iPhone"
In my eyes it's a bit like owning a porche boxter (a Samsung) and telling everyone "it does just as good a job as a Lamborghini gallardo (iPhone), it gets u there fast"

So if convincing yourself that they r just as good helps u sleep better, then (in the words of another person) more power to ya!!

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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I laugh my ass off reading all the Samsung "fanboy" comments, so passionate about the fight!

Out of the few people I know who own a Samsung android, I hear a few common things said, like "it will do me" and "well I couldn't afford an iPhone"!

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Maybe that just says more about the people you know more than anything else?

Frankly idiots who seriously think a mobile phone 'says something about them' or who buy into that 'lifestyle' BS are PR saps.

I bought my SGS2 because it was the superior spec/cost deal.
None of the current iPhones better it in my opinion.
So the idea that it's in any way inferior to the Apple product is, to me, just lauaghable.

.....and SGS3 just moved the goalposts further on, my bet is iPhone 5 is going to look like a very poor deal compared.

Those who go for the brand will suck up anything Apple put out, those who are into the best capability per $/£ will go Samsung every time.
And when it stops being Samsung I'll move on to the next brand that offers the best spec/cost deal, I'm not 'faithful' to Samsung or any other CE corp, as I don't work for them or have any connection to them that is just a ludicrous concept.

So, comfort yourself with ridiculous notions of quality differences if you feel you must (but nevermind that they are illusory.....iPhones are full of Samsung components), just don't project your silly fanboy attitudes at others when yours are so obvious.

Three concrete elements of the spec stand out for me -

1) the micro sd card slot which works with the new 64gb cards (in addition to the 16gb phone memory, this now makes the phone a serious proposition for HD videoing and
2) replacement batteries, all the smartphones are power-hungry and the ability to have one or two charged spares, or a super-sized spare, is a real bonus and
3) the Android OS is very very easy to use (easily as good as the Apple offering), has vast app support & it is a genuinely open-source software and the phones can be rooted to customise as I please - which also means the level of customising support is also vast.

Apple meanwhile charge a ridiculous premium and do not offer what I would call these obvious and basic flexibilities.
But then that is their way.
I don't like it so I do not give them my custom.
I gained by not buying the iPhone, the Samsung is the superior phone.

Perhaps in Apple fanboy la-la land inferior is better but not in my world.

Originally posted by Interestx:

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Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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I laugh my ass off reading all the Samsung "fanboy" comments, so passionate about the fight!

Out of the few people I know who own a Samsung android, I hear a few common things said, like "it will do me" and "well I couldn't afford an iPhone"!

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Maybe that just says more about the people you know more than anything else?

Frankly idiots who seriously think a mobile phone 'says something about them' or who buy into that 'lifestyle' BS are PR saps.

I bought my SGS2 because it was the superior spec/cost deal.
None of the current iPhones better it in my opinion.
So the idea that it's in any way inferior to the Apple product is, to me, just lauaghable.

.....and SGS3 just moved the goalposts further on, my bet is iPhone 5 is going to look like a very poor deal compared.

Those who go for the brand will suck up anything Apple put out, those who are into the best capability per $/£ will go Samsung every time.
And when it stops being Samsung I'll move on to the next brand that offers the best spec/cost deal, I'm not 'faithful' to Samsung or any other CE corp, as I don't work for them or have any connection to them that is just a ludicrous concept.

So, comfort yourself with ridiculous notions of quality differences if you feel you must (but nevermind that they are illusory.....iPhones are full of Samsung components), just don't project your silly fanboy attitudes at others when yours are so obvious.

Three concrete elements of the spec stand out for me -

1) the micro sd card slot which works with the new 64gb cards (in addition to the 16gb phone memory, this now makes the phone a serious proposition for HD videoing and
2) replacement batteries, all the smartphones are power-hungry and the ability to have one or two charged spares, or a super-sized spare, is a real bonus and
3) the Android OS is very very easy to use (easily as good as the Apple offering), has vast app support & it is a genuinely open-source software and the phones can be rooted to customise as I please - which also means the level of customising support is also vast.

Apple meanwhile charge a ridiculous premium and do not offer what I would call these obvious and basic flexibilities.
But then that is their way.
I don't like it so I do not give them my custom.
I gained by not buying the iPhone, the Samsung is the superior phone.

Perhaps in Apple fanboy la-la land inferior is better but not in my world.

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Lmao, I'm gettin quite bored of reading all the "spec sheet" data of who has the biggest balls, so my closing statement on this thread is this, most of my comments are done just to get people all fired up about stuff, it's just summat to do while I eat my dinner at work, and I too am not loyal to any brand of anything, I just buy what I believe is the best for me, so if your happy with Samsung then that's cool (my wife likes her galaxy s2), and at the end of the day it's just a laugh!
It's been fun peeps, take it easy!

Seriously, none of this stuff fires me up.
It's all just transitory CE stuff we'll look back on in 5 - 10yrs and think how quaint & old-fashioned it was.
It's the nature of this stuff.

xboxd00d, i & this site does not need a flamewar so keep it up & i will perma ban you, understood!

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xboxd00d, i & this site does not need a flamewar so keep it up & i will perma ban you, understood!

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I'm only saying what I genuinely believe, it's not my fault if others slam me for my opinion, why do I get singled out just cos I admit I find it amusing???

i don't care, no flamewar or you will be banned. same goes to everybody else.

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i don't care, no flamewar or you will be banned. same goes to everybody else.

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Please clarify what justifies getting banned cos I am completely in the dark on this 1, I expressed my opinion and other users imply that people who have iPhones are (and I quote) "morons" and "idiots".

So why don't these users get warnings?
Or is simply a case were I am only allowed to write things that don't go against the grain (so to speak)?

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Originally posted by xtago:

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Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I can't understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

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Apple didn't come up with that little button to swap photo/video states.

That was in the WinMobile phones, before Iphones came out.

I guess Microsoft didn't patent that so called tech and Apple found out about that and must think they actually came up with that "tech" to have any sort of patent on it.

Apple has a couple patents but the company with the most patents is actually Samsung, they have around 14,000 patents where as apple only has around 3,000 most must be waste of time patents like the one you brought up about the camera state swap button.

That again has been in Windows Mobiles phones.

I guess MS must have broken the Apple patents if MS have that Apple "tech" in their phones before Apple even had an iOS for phones.

Samsung own the patents for any phone to actually use CDMA/GSM signals in/out of a mobile device, they have design patents for the chips even when other companies still make chips they have to license off Samsung to make those chips.

Apple is going to find it extremely hard to make product whole reason why they have turned to foxconn to make any of their devices, but it's all made with Samsung designed and patented products.

So when you buy an Apple device your really just buying a Samsung device not made by Samsung.

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It's not that Microsoft didn't patent the tech, they just have cross licensing agreements with Apple. They each can use the other's tech without lawsuits. I bet Apple wishes they could sue Microsoft again. Seems that is all they can do these days.

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You can't cross license a patent like that if MS own the patent then how is Apple even able to proclaim they even own such a patent when it'd be MS owning the patent.

Let alone Apple attempt to sue another company when A) they don't own the patent and B) claim they actually came up with it.

A licensed patent is payable to the owner of said patent, MS make a couple hundred off every android device sold in the world.

Apple rather than license would rather sue companies.

It's clear that Apple have patented something that was in WinMobile OS but MS haven't patented it but Apple have applied and been given the patent.

That alone should have null and voided the patent and also null and voided this court case from the start.

Fact is apple isn't playing fair... lots of these companies have patents that apple have also violated but just choose not to hinder technological advances or even bother with a lawsuit

this is a reboot of apple strategy 20 years ago after Steve Jobs left against windows that was an EPIC FAIL and it would be again because all they are doing is Giving Samsung more Free PRESS Coverage.

Its Easy apple fans have Been asking for a lot of the iPhone, basic functionalities and vital hardware changes that they cannot get even with a jail break. Apple needs to listen to them instead of trying to SNUFF out the Competition, this is getting the ridiculous they have sued EVERY Manufacturer before their Major Device Launch this year

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Originally posted by ddp:

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i dont care, no flamewar or you will be banned. same goes to everybody else.

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Please clarify what justifies getting banned cos I am completely in the dark on this 1, I expressed my opinion and other users imply that people who have iPhones are (and I quote) "morons" and "idiots".

So why dont these users get warnings?
Or is simply a case were I am only allowed to write things that dont go against the grain (so to speak)?

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It might be statements like

"so my closing statement on this thread is this, most of my comments are done just to get people all fired up about stuff, its just summat to do while I eat my dinner at work"

That could be interpreted as flaming, just sayin.

I think calling someone a moron or an idiot is far more likely to be classed as flaming, I do post things knowing it will get people fired up but at the end of the day I stick to facts, if people choose to oppose those facts in an aggressive manor that's their problem, not mine!

what ChiknLitl posted is what i'm talking about which is why we don't need that bs here, agreed!

ddp u still have not yet told me what I did wrong, admitting my factual posts starts "flamewars" isn't exactly reason to go infront of the firing squad!!

iphone5 is not really going to change the phone game it grew .5 inches wow and the camera moved over above the speaker another wow my point when apple can make a phone that will blow any galaxy phone out the water than i might give a wow but every galaxy phone that has dropped has changed in every possible way thinner faster better my gs2 and gs3 will wax the floor any given sunday on apple

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Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I cant understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

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Cheap version? lol iphones are for morons that dont know any better what you can do with smart phones. You keep your iphone crap, fanboy.

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Open OS for the win, I hate being resticted.

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Originally posted by shpion1:

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Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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Back when my wife first got her galaxy s2 I immediately said it was just a cheap version of ios, alot of it is identicle, for example, when u load the camera up, the little slide button to change it from still shots to video is the same, so I cant understand why anyone with half a brain would rule in favour of Samsung!!

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Cheap version? lol iphones are for morons that dont know any better what you can do with smart phones. You keep your iphone crap, fanboy.

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Open OS for the win, I hate being resticted.

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Yeah like not being able to make Skype video calls, watch live football matches, download bbc tv shows via I player - the kind of restrictions you face when the Android app is 'coming soon' or 'not available for your device'.

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ddp u still have not yet told me what I did wrong, admitting my factual posts starts "flamewars" isn't exactly reason to go infront of the firing squad!!

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You didn't use facts. You use literally no facts...

If you post BS you don't believe to get people fired up, that's pretty much the definition of starting a flame war, you'd think.

If you like the iPhone even though it's far inferior in every sense, go for it, but when you post inflammatory things with no supporting facts, i.e.

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I laugh my ass off reading all the Samsung "fanboy" comments, so passionate about the fight!
Out of the few people I know who own a Samsung android, I hear a few common things said, like "it will do me" and "well I couldn't afford an iPhone" ...
So if convincing yourself that they r just as good helps u sleep better, then (in the words of another person) more power to ya!!

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Samsung S3 didn't just take the #1 spot in America for no reason.

Originally posted by Notcow:

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Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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ddp u still have not yet told me what I did wrong, admitting my factual posts starts "flamewars" isn't exactly reason to go infront of the firing squad!!

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You didn't use facts. You use literally no facts...

If you post BS you don't believe to get people fired up, that's pretty much the definition of starting a flame war, you'd think.

If you like the iPhone even though it's far inferior in every sense, go for it, but when you post inflammatory things with no supporting facts, i.e.

Originally posted by xboxd00d:

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I laugh my ass off reading all the Samsung "fanboy" comments, so passionate about the fight!
Out of the few people I know who own a Samsung android, I hear a few common things said, like "it will do me" and "well I couldn't afford an iPhone" ...
So if convincing yourself that they r just as good helps u sleep better, then (in the words of another person) more power to ya!!

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Samsung S3 didn't just take the #1 spot in America for no reason.

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So just because the gs3 is more powerfull in a side by side power comparison it "must" be the better device???
I made my "real life" judgement based on the fact I have access to gs2 and an iPhone 4 (previously owned a 3GS), and after a couple of hours of setting up the gs2 for my wife my personal opinion was the phone felt cheaply made, the interface looked alot like an iPhone, and I preferred the iPhone, which feels good quality, and the general operation of the device overall is more fluid.
The only 2 things I prefer on the gs2 are the amoled screen (for the rich colours, not resolution) and the speaker is louder.