Say you have a 2 year old or older comp are you safe from this so called chip.

I believe it will take a month to break too.

They really think they are going to see profits? If people can't afford their over-priced games in the first place, then they still won't buy them.

to those worried that they have a motherboard with a tpm chip or want to avoid buying a motherboard with a tpm chip:

The software will state a tpm chip as a requirement to run, just like most games require a directX9 video card or 150Gb hard drive space etc. The idea is that you will NEED a tpm motherboard to play the game

Purchasing a motherboard without a tpm chip does not mean you will be able to play copy protected games that rely on a tpm chip.

Though, as many others have said, it's just going to be hackers finding the bit of code that says "authorise via tpm" and removing that function. Then the game will work anywhere.

i think the most effective from of piracy proof stuff we have seen is 'give the game away for free then charge a subscription service to use it' like WOW. Much easier to enforce that way.

*Yawn*

What's going to make this effective (from an anti-hack prospective) where most everything else has failed?

Dream on. All this will do is improve upon what's already being done.

Cubase SX uses a usb dongle which is now cracked.

you say "Purchasing a motherboard without a tpm chip does not mean you will be able to play copy protected games that rely on a tpm chip."

so in reality emulation of a TPM would work full stop.... however the TPM is programmed there will be ways to stop this menace to PC-Kind...

the idea this chip is "Unhackable" is bullshit..... i even think this could be a way of been hacked but used in the wrong manor... meaning using it for another purpose... such as checking up on our data and feeding it to local authoritys...

TPM's have been out for like 4 - 5 Years but why re release them? its either a mis-leading device planted in your motherboard or just another re-design.... fact is.... hacked in like a month.... they try with the best antivirus systems to remove viruses and such yet pc's are still hackable what makes this chip any different?

If a man can build it, a man can break it.
Simple as that.

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who would even purchase a crippled piece of hardware, well other than blu-ray and game console fans! that are both designed to block media.

vote with your feet ppl, don't purchase anti-consumer, restricted crapware.

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Sheesh............what kind of question is this? Who? Who you ask? YOU, ME, THE DOG, ELVES..............ANYONE that has a computer that crashes or wants to stay current technologically. I guess you could always just buy 10 year old mobos down the road and even that won't work in 20.

As for the TPM, many of us could only hope that it's hackable because even though I buy many games, like I just picked up Rainbow Six V2 for 30 bucks at BB, there are still plenty of games that I would rather just grab N' play. Example, C.O.D. 4 was awesome but it was extremely short. Painkiller games are kinda fun but not worth 50 or even 40 bucks..............maybe 10. Easier to just download. I buy my fair share but nothing feels better than a successful jacking of a decent game.

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to those worried that they have a motherboard with a tpm chip or want to avoid buying a motherboard with a tpm chip:

The software will state a tpm chip as a requirement to run, just like most games require a directX9 video card or 150Gb hard drive space etc. The idea is that you will NEED a tpm motherboard to play the game

Purchasing a motherboard without a tpm chip does not mean you will be able to play copy protected games that rely on a tpm chip.

Though, as many others have said, it's just going to be hackers finding the bit of code that says "authorise via tpm" and removing that function. Then the game will work anywhere.

i think the most effective from of piracy proof stuff we have seen is 'give the game away for free then charge a subscription service to use it' like WOW. Much easier to enforce that way.

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what game you playing that need 150 GB or is that a typo, sorry then .

I would think making you have a TPM device too play a game you purchase would be illegal.

Hahahahaha
Give me a freaking break. But wait, let's say this will work, what about the millions of computers that already exist and the millions of motherboards that already exist?

No wait, ahahahahahhaha, give me a freaking break.

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But wait, let's say this will work, what about the millions of computers that already exist and the millions of motherboards that already exist?

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That's the easy part. They put out a version of Window$ (no point mentioning other OS's for gaming, sadly) that will only work on a mobo with TPM. Force most of the world to switch to that OS like they did with Vi$ta, produce games only for that OS, and there you go.

The hard part will be to make sure all the above works as they imagined. ;)

if you would read the above comments you would realize this chips have already been implemented, theres almost nothing that the end consumer can do, but in such times of distress the net superheroes will always be with us :p or against them if you preffer.

the 1 thing they dont learn, is that the harder they do it, the more appealing for the hackesrs

This won't last, TPM emulation exists, just the same as CD-DVD-ROM EMU.
if you don't like TPM grab a pair of needle nose pliers and pull it off.
TPM is a non system critical object.

without Windows, Hackers wouldn't have any fun time.

The genius Built it, the pirate used it, in the end only the pirate was alive.

it was a simple concept. see if you can grasp its true meaning.

hmm TPM souns fun....remember windows xp....they came out with windows genuine validation...and thanks to an unnamed person ( for security reasons) windows genuine advantage nightmare was born

then there was vista....man microsoft was smooth....giving out free copies of RC1 and RC2 etc all the while collecting data about how the hackers crack it and they say it wont be pirated now vista is out ...and guess wat man i have so many copies of it u could call me bill gates's son....though i would rather hang myself first than be microsoft's bitch

but say what..need not worry..TPM's are here to stay....for a month at most until they find the piece of code that says "authorize" and disarm it....and then it's all yours...

hackers working on the TPM and other game hackers working on the game...have no fear....copying will continue

Starting to think that they want to end the 2nd hand market by forcing the games to a chip....what wasteful foolishness.

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But wait, let's say this will work, what about the millions of computers that already exist and the millions of motherboards that already exist?

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That's the easy part. They put out a version of Window$ (no point mentioning other OS's for gaming, sadly) that will only work on a mobo with TPM. Force most of the world to switch to that OS like they did with Vi$ta, produce games only for that OS, and there you go.

The hard part will be to make sure all the above works as they imagined. ;)

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Yeah, I understand that part but there is not going to be a version of windows developed anytime soon just because of gaming piracy. I really can't see that happening, because they tried that with windows xp and vista and it did not work. Now, I take that back, i do see it happening, but I also see it working for a good one month or so and that's it. Plus, TPM already exist.

If someone on the internet can crack and infect the usa military government billion dollar program with a computer virus using a home pc, a pc game is nothing compared to this. Everything is crackable, so why do they bother.



LIVE LONG and PIRATE

As a heavy PC gamer, I would like to say that I would never purchase a motherboard that tells me what I can do with the software that I install on the machine. Currently I have a home built system that will be upgradable for at least another 3 years (based on my budget for upgrading and the rate that upgrades are falling). As long as the older motherboards are still available, I dont see why anyone that knows how to build a system would use a motherboard with this type of technology.

As for the games not running, if the motherboard does not have the chip: do the big businesses really think that people who buy gaming computers are going to be willing to buy into these games if they cannot run them on their current system? I dont know about anyone else but I do not intend to go out and spend another $200 on a barebone to get the right components to play one or two games that I would consider purchasing. Plus the gaming industry will be shooting themselves in the head if they go toward this technology for the same reason. Simply put, people do not have or are not willing to buy a new computer just to play a few games and the few that are willing will not make the move profitable enough for the gaming industry.

Seems like more and more businesses are going toward the same business model: rebuy all of your current stuff so you can have the next greatest thing and we will then make you rebuy everything again in a few years when the next greatest technology comes out.

I for one am not buying into this business model, and I never will.

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Currently I have a home built system that will be upgradable for at least another 3 years (based on my budget for upgrading and the rate that upgrades are falling). As long as the older motherboards are still available, I dont see why anyone that knows how to build a system would use a motherboard with this type of technology.

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then make you rebuy everything again in a few years when the next greatest technology comes out.

I for one am not buying into this business model, and I never will.

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Here! Here! I built my own computer last year too. And "rebuilt" my old Dell too. I run Ubuntu now. No DRM worries about anything. But I'll admit to not being a big player of high tech games.

Come on guys, purchase your "GAMES" legally! In other industries such as music, movies, books, and most software they have other outlets of income and they will survive the piracy age. Not so much in games. Not to say the industry isn't greedy (I really would like to see stand-up arcades make a come-back) but the man has got to get paid.

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Come on guys, purchase your "GAMES" legally! In other industries such as music, movies, books, and most software they have other outlets of income and they will survive the piracy age. Not so much in games. Not to say the industry isn't greedy (I really would like to see stand-up arcades make a come-back) but the man has got to get paid.

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oh,i do buy games. i will not shell out 50-30 dollars for repetitive games. that is the sole purpose i download game's if i don't like its gone quicker than it took to download it.

example, I downloaded crysis simply because the game looked really good. do you know how pissed i would have been if i had bought the game. Crysis was the worst FPS i had ever played before in my life. it was worse than BIOSHOCK.

if your guna say, well thats what game mags are for. I'll have you know that i don't believe those. as everybody has different tastes in games, thats why they have different editors for a different game review in all the Magazines. it makes sense you wouldn't give a FPS lover a RPG game to review. and as hybrid as games are know a days its easy to classify a game an all sections of gaming genre.

its not about the TPM chip its the ethics behind it. there not hurting Pirates-there hurting every day consumers, pirates have resources that could crack the TPM code before its even released. does the average consumer have that much time on there hands. I don't think so, this even could effect motherboard pricing, even the Computer genre itself.

and i'll leave it at that.

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Come on guys, purchase your "GAMES" legally! In other industries such as music, movies, books, and most software they have other outlets of income and they will survive the piracy age. Not so much in games. Not to say the industry isn't greedy (I really would like to see stand-up arcades make a come-back) but the man has got to get paid.

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I do buy games. All I am trying to say is if I purchase a game and it will not play with my system even if it does meet the minimum system requirements, then I will be returning it and looking for a pirated version. If the minimum system requirements include this new TPM chip then I wont even consider opening my wallet to support the game manufacturer.
If the gaming industry wants to make having this chip as part of future system requirements, then they will be eliminating a large customer base and just asking for tech savy people to pirate their game.

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Originally posted by edsrouter:

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Come on guys, purchase your "GAMES" legally! In other industries such as music, movies, books, and most software they have other outlets of income and they will survive the piracy age. Not so much in games. Not to say the industry isn't greedy (I really would like to see stand-up arcades make a come-back) but the man has got to get paid.

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oh,i do buy games. i will not shell out 50-30 dollars for repetitive games. that is the sole purpose i download game's if i don't like its gone quicker than it took to download it.

example, I downloaded crysis simply because the game looked really good. do you know how pissed i would have been if i had bought the game. Crysis was the worst FPS i had ever played before in my life. it was worse than BIOSHOCK.

if your guna say, well thats what game mags are for. I'll have you know that i don't believe those. as everybody has different tastes in games, thats why they have different editors for a different game review in all the Magazines. it makes sense you wouldn't give a FPS lover a RPG game to review. and as hybrid as games are know a days its easy to classify a game an all sections of gaming genre.

its not about the TPM chip its the ethics behind it. there not hurting Pirates-there hurting every day consumers, pirates have resources that could crack the TPM code before its even released. does the average consumer have that much time on there hands. I don't think so, this even could effect motherboard pricing, even the Computer genre itself.

and i'll leave it at that.

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Ouch I think BS was worse, Cryisis is a kinda bland sandbox shooter, if it was paced better it would ave been a great game but BS was jsut rushed out of the door IMO.

I no longer am a member of the sheeple gaming herd, if the industry ants me to pay attention to them they need to get off their buts and put more detail and polish into games, for instance Fallout 3 is no longer fallout its a FP adventure game set to advanced TES gameplay but its trying to be a action RPG that has sparked my interest as long as it dose not have secruoms online sht on it I think I will pre order it.

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Did you hear that guys? It's going to be "uncrackable"!

Ultra-lol to that.