Originally posted by champman:

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As long as I get my activations back through correctly uninstalls as listed here, then Ubisoft should be praised for not having limitation on the amount of uninstalls. Its unlimited unless you suffer a serious system failure or don't uninstall it correctly so I don't see any problems & my pre-order stands.

FarCry 2 has the same DRM as Bioshock so no big deal there - unlike Spore which I detest. If you hate DRM, just buy it off Steam, etc..

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But what if you change PC's often? Only 3 are allowed reguardless of uninstalls. By the way, I do agree with you that it is better to offer the uninstalls, but it is a pain to try to remember which games have that kind of DRM.

It's also a real pain when that same DRM totally screws up a computer which you rely on for your business... And you can't completely remove it..

SecuROM will disable burners and any virtual drives or other software it doesn't like.. They don't have that right.. It's MY COMPUTER.. it doesn't belong to EA, Ubi, Sony, Microcrap or any other a$$wipe DRM peddler.... I have the right to install and use anything I damn well please on MY HARDWARE.. I don't need permission from Sony SecuROM for that. Anything which is installed without my permission and cannot be removed by normal means and interferes with my rights to use my hardware in any way I see fit.. legal or otherwise.. is malware.

http://x111.com/blog/littlemog/2008/10/21/oh-hell-no-ea/

still say this DRM is OK??

Ea and Ubi will both lose in court.. it will pretty much finish them off.. because millions of angry customers will not forget.. my friend in the link could quite legally sue them for lost earnings compensation and damages.. and bloody well should IMHO.

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because one person ranting makes it true.....¬_¬

Because you can't get your head above your waistline doesn't make it not so.. Mogglet doesn't lie.. I know how much distress and loss this has caused them.

They aren't exactly tecchies either.. just average joe computer users who thanks to this invasive and intrusive DRM which asshats like yourself all say "won't do any harm.. it's safe" now have a big problem which poor overworked non-gamer professional tecchies like me have to help them fix so they can pay their rent next month..

Oh yeah.. isn't it great when you see friends lose their income because of a stupid game.. yeah.. I'm f-in laughing. Laughing my a$$ off at all you sony fanboys trying to make out that rootkits and malware are just dandy when in reality.. not imaginary world now.. real money in the bank to pay for housing so you don't get thrown into the street by the landlords bouncers world... it is damaging and dangerous.

Who is ranting?.. I'm not.. I'm f-in annoyed by all the retards who think it's just fine and dandy to allow big businesses to harm peoples livelihoods with malware.. If this was joe ordinary little hacker writing a virus that did this and let it into the wild and got caught... he would be looking at some serious compensation claims.. massive fines and possibly jail time... Why is it different for Sony and EA?.. go on.. you explain me that.

BTW.. how much did you get for your product review blogs?

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thanks for the personal insults, i have reported you.

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oh people please...behave....

*noogies varnull*
Be kind to noobs oh great anti corp goodess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM
http://securom.mustbedestroyed.org/phorum/viewforum.php?f=6

and send them to places that shall give them knowledge.

spamual
Securom is bad because it goes beyond managing functioning copies.
It gets into data mining and other questionable things.

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The funny thing here being that everyone agrees with each other but they all have different ways of saying it so end up flaming each other... The irony is brilliant. But... Back to flaming Ubisoft for killing what could be a reasonably good game given the first one.

"* Uninstalling the game "refunds" an activation. This process is called "revoke", so as long as you complete proper uninstall you will be able to install the game an unlimited number of times on 3 systems"

So when the computer gets hit by rootkits from Sony or some idiot releases a virus to think he's cool and we have to format the comp to get it working... Does that mean we lose an "activation"?

And is this game online only activation? I bought Battlefield 2 several months ago and just managed to get the expansions unlocked after repeated messages to tech support. I have a freakin key but it still doesn't work cause of their silly servers... Then I get dropped every 5mn for no apparent reason... Online activation isn't advanced enough to be of any use. Apart from the minor problem of their servers being taken down and there being no way to activate the game...

Methinks I'll be sticking to free or slightly better DRM implemented games such as Counterstrike and Combat Arms. *sighs* And I was actually looking forward to this one...

If battlefield 2 closes out on you for 5 minutes, best look for a new computer or *Gasp* reformat...yay. your loss man looks really good.

Originally posted by spamual:

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thanks for the personal insults, i have reported you.

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Sounds like someone got put in intellectual checkmate.

you dont think i could reply to that, i would, but then i would also be using personal insults, why should i lower my self to her/his level?

its not intellectual when one uses personal insults in a post.

ooo get her!
i was looking forwards to purchasing farcry 2 tomorrow i dont get out much ;o). after reading the above sod em! torrents here i come, i would buy from steam but its only available in north america. so sod em twice!
shove yer rootkits up yer arse!

Originally posted by spamual:

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you dont think i could reply to that

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When your entire counter argument is a one liner...yea I would have to say so. And the whole "your reported" crack is inappropriate as well. It's none of our business who you report. Sounds like something I would do back in kindergarten.

right, then consider me back at nursery then.

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Originally posted by daelin914:

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Years ago, people used to have to put in the original CD in order for the game to play. While you may be able to duplicate a CD to make it happen, they could easily create a dongle for a couple of dollars that would work just as well.

Lauren

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Umm... this is more about the number of installs and the process you must go through to retain the number of installs. It's not so much having the disc to play the game. Another way to do what you were stating would be to make a virtual drive on your machine, so that you didn't need the disc, but that's not really what we were talking about here.

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Wow... you're a mean one, Mr. SGriesch.

It's an alternative method for copy protection. If you try to read a sector on a disc that generates a read error due to a specific error, wouldn't that virtual drive idea fail? It's actually a comment on the copy-protection methods that never work and only open room for more piracy or people just saying..... f this and buying a console system.

Originally posted by varnull:

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It's also a real pain when that same DRM totally screws up a computer which you rely on for your business... And you can't completely remove it..

SecuROM will disable burners and any virtual drives or other software it doesn't like.. They don't have that right.. It's MY COMPUTER.. it doesn't belong to EA, Ubi, Sony, Microcrap or any other a$$wipe DRM peddler.... I have the right to install and use anything I damn well please on MY HARDWARE.. I don't need permission from Sony SecuROM for that. Anything which is installed without my permission and cannot be removed by normal means and interferes with my rights to use my hardware in any way I see fit.. legal or otherwise.. is malware.

http://x111.com/blog/littlemog/2008/10/21/oh-hell-no-ea/

still say this DRM is OK??

Ea and Ubi will both lose in court.. it will pretty much finish them off.. because millions of angry customers will not forget.. my friend in the link could quite legally sue them for lost earnings compensation and damages.. and bloody well should IMHO.

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I remember that DRM rootkit on Santana's last album. It was easily bypassed using the left-shift key when inserting the disc. Amazing how Windows lets those things gets installed..... "money for advertising, advertisting, advertising, advertising,..... fix vista..... advertisting, advertising, advertising, advertising...."

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its not intellectual when one uses personal insults in a post.

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i thought it was a question...not an insult:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86uF0njd5oo

now there you go, the author of spinrite....one of the most amazing bootable programs for disc recovery spells it out for you....(look up UBCD)


"They turned vista into...whether you want it or not....a super tight lock-down digital content delivery platform"

"They deliberate blurr the picture"

"It will degrade source quality"

the reports claim that drm is in the system kernel....basically the nitty gritty fabrics of vista are weighted down with copy right protection measures ....

now isn't this just a little over ridicules people??
rootkits? rootkits? rootkits in OUR GAMES??

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If an intruder could replace the standard administrative tools on a system with a rootkit, the modified tools would give the intruder administrative control over the system while concealing his activities from the legitimate system administrator

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In 2005, Sony BMG caused a scandal by including rootkit software on music CDs that, in an attempt to enforce DRM,[2] inadvertently opened a backdoor that allowed root access to anyone aware of the rootkit's installation.[3] The scandal raised the public's awareness of rootkits, while the public relations fallout for Sony was compared by one analyst to the Tylenol scare.[4]

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you pay for the game....your pay for the operating system....you dont pay for copyright control measures on a system you own.....you dont pay for a game so that your system can be exploited and ruined....

For us more technically inclined folk drm may just be a bother (for now...this ROM business looks mean) , but to those who use computers for work and not just shenanigans, for them to have their system crash or get infected because some jerk on the other end wants to eliminates 1 possible piracy threat by ruining our systems... doesn't make tooo-much sense to me:(

so long and thanks for the fish..i guess you were right 13thHouR:D

i dont like far cry's 3 system limit, but at least our cries at the time of spores release was heard:)

DRM, no DRM there is no reason not to buy the game if you like it. there are sites that have stuff to bypass DRM or remove it.

The gaming industry is Getting pulled in a transition, Same one Hollywood took, Wont be long before the GPAA pops up.

I hate DRM, but its not going to go anywhere anytime noway nohow.

Just be thankful, cause it could be much worse.

Spamual and Azuran, knock it off!

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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DRM, no DRM there is no reason not to buy the game if you like it. there are sites that have stuff to bypass DRM or remove it.

The gaming industry is Getting pulled in a transition, Same one Hollywood took, Wont be long before the GPAA pops up.

I hate DRM, but its not going to go anywhere anytime noway nohow.

Just be thankful, cause it could be much worse.

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That's funny, because people used to say the same thing about music until iTunes came out with non-DRM music and Amazon just took off with it and ran.

sure thing loco, though varnuls insults "assshat" etc, is all okay?

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Originally posted by spamual:

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because one person ranting makes it true.....¬_¬

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I feel you provoked the response with this post. At any rate, we need to get back on topic.

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Originally posted by daelin914:

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That's funny, because people used to say the same thing about music until iTunes came out with non-DRM music and Amazon just took off with it and ran.

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Okay that worked for music. so who is providing the drm free alternative to the Original Games? I'm obviously missing something.

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Originally posted by LOCOENG:

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Originally posted by spamual:

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because one person ranting makes it true.....¬_¬

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I feel you provoked the response with this post. At any rate, we need to get back on topic.

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that response was to the person in the blog who was ranting, not varnul, that is why i am confused as to why varnul lashed out at me, when i wasnt lashing out at him.

any me saying that, would not justify the accusations i got and name calling, i know the mods dont like me as it is, but thats not right.

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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so who is providing the drm free alternative to the Original Games? I'm obviously missing something.

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that would be the pirates. Yaaaarr!

Originally posted by daelin914:

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Originally posted by daelin914:

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Years ago, people used to have to put in the original CD in order for the game to play. While you may be able to duplicate a CD to make it happen, they could easily create a dongle for a couple of dollars that would work just as well.

Lauren

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Umm... this is more about the number of installs and the process you must go through to retain the number of installs. It's not so much having the disc to play the game. Another way to do what you were stating would be to make a virtual drive on your machine, so that you didn't need the disc, but that's not really what we were talking about here.

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Wow... you're a mean one, Mr. SGriesch.

It's an alternative method for copy protection. If you try to read a sector on a disc that generates a read error due to a specific error, wouldn't that virtual drive idea fail? It's actually a comment on the copy-protection methods that never work and only open room for more piracy or people just saying..... f this and buying a console system.

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L,
I didn't intend for that to be interpretted in a mean way. Sorry if you thought it was. I just meant that SecureRom is very different "anti-piracy" measure than just needing the disc to play. The virtual drive could work, or a no-CD crack would as well. I think we are both agreeing that there have been ways around things, and there will probably be ways around this one too. It's just stupid for the company to do this in the first place. Varnull is right about having it install extra things that can cause major issues. It's just a game, and they are trying to mess with what is already on your drive, which IMO is no better than being hacked.

Originally posted by DXR88:

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DRM, no DRM there is no reason not to buy the game if you like it. there are sites that have stuff to bypass DRM or remove it.

The gaming industry is Getting pulled in a transition, Same one Hollywood took, Wont be long before the GPAA pops up.

I hate DRM, but its not going to go anywhere anytime noway nohow.

Just be thankful, cause it could be much worse.

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We can only hope that if enough people complain about it (like Spore on Amazon), that the companies will begin to understand that we aren't naive about what they do, and that we won't support them. It's good to voice things that are unjust. Until then, don't buy their products. Money says more to them than their customer's oppinions do evidently.