Meh, everything still runs slower in Vista/7 than it does in XP. So there really is no need for me to upgrade, until support is dropped in 2014. Though I should have a much beefed up PC by then, and Windows 8 might be released by then as well :)

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Windows7 is windows Vista with service pack 3. If you didnt like Vista, you wont like W7.

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Hehe; i deliberately avoided Vista but love Win7 :) (and XP too, plenty of years left in XP yet, on some of my machines anyways).

LissenUp - who rattled your cage ?. Way to go to annoy everybody in the thread. Unnecessary comments/rants like yours give Admins (in my case Unix, not that it matters a kipper here) a bad name. Your comments come across like a teenager with something to prove. As per ddp's comments, knock it off already.

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Originally posted by ddp:

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LissenUp, next time edit your previous post if nobody posts after you as per forum rules. post padding is NOT tolerated on this site & you just posted 5 in a row. also knockoff the member attacks as you will be banned for that newbie!

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Ok.........first........I'm not a newbie. I've been posting on here for 5 years and unfortunately it's like a Disney movie on this site. AD moderators whine about anything offensive or critical no matter how minute it is and find other things to senselessly and needlessly whine about like padding. I just keep getting banned for calling out stupid remarks and comments WHEN THEY SHOULD BE CALLED OUT.

Second, I did NOT violate padding. I merely commented on SEVERAL SEPARATE postings and they all related separately. I don't know how the Fins think but when Americans have something to say about 5 separate posts............WE COMMENT ON THEM. How ridiculous can you be to slam someone for not waiting until another comments on my comment? Get a clue and be reasonable.............and that is not an insult, it's simply a reasonable statement in response to your comment.

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Windows XP was released October 25th, 2001. It's almost 8 years old. To me it still performs like a brand new couple year old OS. I'm so happy with it and see no reason to spend to upgrade to Windows 7.

Seems like Windows 7's release date could be the same as Windows XP's if a delay occurs.

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I use it now...............it's ready. Trust me, there will be no delay. Besides, that is a fairly lame comment considering that the RTM is available. Best OS. MS could only F up so many times before getting it right.................that they did this time.

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I like XP because everything works. There is no need for a compatibility mode and I can run it on any old system and use it perfectly fine.

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As I already stated.........I use the 64-bit RTM of Windows 7 Ultimate. There is NOTHING that doesn't work on it. NOTHING except Peerguardian 2 and that's because they haven't made one for 7 yet. Right now I have Symantec Endpoint, Soundforge 10, Google Earth, Daemon tools, Firefox 64-bit (Shiretoko), Quicktime, Roxio Creator 2009, Google Earth, Steam (Tombraider 8, FEAR 2, Dead Space, Street Fighter 4, Left 4 Dead and several more running flawlessly. I highly recommend that if you get the chance to obtain a free (hooked-up) copy of 64-bit Windows 7...............install it and you absolutely won't regret it. I promise. I have connections to MSDN and get this stuff immediately for free once it's out and this OS release was all the worth it.

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The last time I checked:
-DOS games don't work properly
-Alcohol 52%/120%
-Grand Theft Auto San Andreas (Didn't work in Vista)
-ATI Radeon Software for x1400 (My notebook battery life was about an hour in Windows 7, 3 hours in XP

This is a huge setback for me

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Well, to each his own. DOS games........???? It's not surprising you're still with XP and probably no intention to leave.
Alcohol probably doesn't work because they're finicky but there are hundreds of alternatives.

I do see that the ATI thing is an issue. My suggestions of going with 7 are really based around more recent computers so XP would be a wise option for you.
GTA SA will run on 7.

Originally posted by joe777:

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@ LissenUp I am a fan of *nix and seldom use MS products, only for sound production as my DAW will not function on any *nix OS.
After reading your posts I dont beleive for 1 minute you are a software engineer and a netwerk pro.
The software list you stated is, for me personally, a joke. Symantec, roxio, peer guardian( which is as good as a concrete parashute or a chocholate fire guard) you also use limewire? and after you admit to using this software you accuse me of being a noob? And hey you dont nead a firewall to control whats leaving your box? Yeah real netwerk admins will agree with you, he he he he.
Oh me, AD is filled with strange people today.
Oh and by the way theres no need to be so rude with me, I always jump on the MS threads to say how sh*t their products really are.
If ever theres a topic saying MS are releasing all the source and wish all the users the best using it I will sing their praise for you.

Oh and what audio editor software do you use? Something to mp3 pro No7:P

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I knew posting Limewire would yield a comment like yours. I use it simply for obtaining hard to find DJ single songs. I use it with major protection and caution and 6 viruses attempted access to my computer to no avail.

I am a network manager/admin/engineer by profession you punk. I don't leisurely compute on a decked out server and Cisco HW firewall at home. BTW.............NEVER SAID I WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER. I'm a "NETWORK ENGINEER"...........BIG DIFFERENCE.

Symantec is the preferred AV solution for MOST businesses. Roxio is just in case I need to burn a DVD. Peerguardian is the ONLY practical and viable solution to protecting myself from the RIAA when downloading music/movies (as I'm not interested in investing time and effort for a proxy............unless it points to your IP). I'm not a nerd but a foremost expert in my field. I never said "no firewall".............I SAID "LATEST AND GREATEST FW". Windows 7 FW is fine in my tight network. Don't need an ASA, SonicWall, etc.

As for your not using MS............GREAT! I'm sure like the woman you encounter.........linux makes you compatible with about 2% of the world's computers and users. You're obviously not much of a gamer as I am, you're definitely not a nerd because you dogged my software selection and misquoted me several times and misapplied the practical use of the software I use.


Ba Bye.

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Originally posted by windsong:

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Windows7 is windows Vista with service pack 3. If you didnt like Vista, you wont like W7.

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Hehe; i deliberately avoided Vista but love Win7 :) (and XP too, plenty of years left in XP yet, on some of my machines anyways).

LissenUp - who rattled your cage ?. Way to go to annoy everybody in the thread. Unnecessary comments/rants like yours give Admins (in my case Unix, not that it matters a kipper here) a bad name. Your comments come across like a teenager with something to prove. As per ddp's comments, knock it off already.

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My apologies but I'm just tired of the uneducated, uninformed stupidity out there and it brutally shows here so often. Kinda like when I was a kid................when I needed a lesson to be learned.............a swift kick in the ass from dad really helped. I just apply that same mentality to those rattling off lame comments. Intolerance of stupidity is not "teenager-like"............Moderators threatening to ban for "padding" when in actuality I was commenting on 5 SEPARATE posts is being like a teenager. It's so Disney in here. " Watch your mouth, don't say that, don't say this" or "we'll ban you"..........

Yeah.............and I will create yet another user account and continue to post. Reaching "Senior" status is not my goal.

@ LissenUp. I'm all for a reasonable discussion with some heated attitudes also but hey listen fella your being a bit out of order here. Your gonna get yourself needlessly into trouble banging around the forums like a bull in a china shop. Relax take it easy and either play in the park or leave.
You say peer guardian is the only way to protect yourself from the mafIAA. Oh dear oh dear, me thinks you are doomed. Peer guardian is as much use as a group hug in a 3rd degree burn's hospital.
*nix is only compatible with 2% of the worlds computers PMSL and this is coming from an admin
Sounds like you are a security guard / bouncer @ mothercare.

You also claim again to being a "network manager/admin/engineer by profession". I sure do hope your not working with any company close by me, if you were I would disconnect myself quick sharp. Oh on the other hand your company and many business's use symantec I must be safe then:P Run joe run pull out that cable quick. Lol

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I knew posting Limewire would yield a comment like yours. I use it simply for obtaining hard to find DJ single songs. I use it with major protection and caution and 6 viruses attempted access to my computer to no avail.

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Major protection? whoa you maybe need protection from yourself fella.
6 viruses attempted to access your machine? but your major protection saved the day for you in a major way eh. Ah good for you those major protections are dam good. But on the other hand most savvy people can spot dodgy things not to download in the first place. You know what I mean?

Windows 7 is better than you think running ultimate 64 bit best kit I have used out of all the windows os dont hate just for the sake of it.

I hope it dose not need virtualiztion to work.....

It still will need virtualization

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Windows XP was released October 25th, 2001. It's almost 8 years old. To me it still performs like a brand new couple year old OS. I'm so happy with it and see no reason to spend to upgrade to Windows 7.

Seems like Windows 7's release date could be the same as Windows XP's if a delay occurs.

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I use it now...............it's ready. Trust me, there will be no delay. Besides, that is a fairly lame comment considering that the RTM is available. Best OS. MS could only F up so many times before getting it right.................that they did this time.

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I like XP because everything works. There is no need for a compatibility mode and I can run it on any old system and use it perfectly fine.

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As I already stated.........I use the 64-bit RTM of Windows 7 Ultimate. There is NOTHING that doesn't work on it. NOTHING except Peerguardian 2 and that's because they haven't made one for 7 yet. Right now I have Symantec Endpoint, Soundforge 10, Google Earth, Daemon tools, Firefox 64-bit (Shiretoko), Quicktime, Roxio Creator 2009, Google Earth, Steam (Tombraider 8, FEAR 2, Dead Space, Street Fighter 4, Left 4 Dead and several more running flawlessly. I highly recommend that if you get the chance to obtain a free (hooked-up) copy of 64-bit Windows 7...............install it and you absolutely won't regret it. I promise. I have connections to MSDN and get this stuff immediately for free once it's out and this OS release was all the worth it.

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The last time I checked:
-DOS games don't work properly
-Alcohol 52%/120%
-Grand Theft Auto San Andreas (Didn't work in Vista)
-ATI Radeon Software for x1400 (My notebook battery life was about an hour in Windows 7, 3 hours in XP

This is a huge setback for me

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Well, to each his own. DOS games........???? It's not surprising you're still with XP and probably no intention to leave.
Alcohol probably doesn't work because they're finicky but there are hundreds of alternatives.

I do see that the ATI thing is an issue. My suggestions of going with 7 are really based around more recent computers so XP would be a wise option for you.
GTA SA will run on 7.

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I still go back to my DOS games at times, they're awesome! lol.
For GTA SA, it never worked properly on any Vista computer I tried. Then again, I was always using a No CD patch which could have been the reason but it did work fine in XP
ATI will be a huge reason for me to stay back. If I was to upgrade, I would have upgraded on my laptop that has the ATI card. I'm not gonna bother touching my desktop. It's a 7 year old Win XP install running fine and I have no intension to change it. After seeing how the Vista RC was good and how the release was terrible, I'm kinda skeptical about 7

Just disable the Program Compatibility Assistant service and run the old Virtual PC 2007 (still free on M$'s website, I think).

All you people that think XP is so great don't have modern computers. Modern computers have more than 4GB total memory, and thus require 64 bit operating systems. XP64 has terrible driver support...so I know you are talking about XP32 when you say how much you love it. Stick XP on a modern machine with 6GB of ram and 1-2TB of vram, and you will see how terribly outdated it has become.

Vista64 was glitchy as hell, and it still needed virtualization to run most of the old apps that XP Mode is intended for. Win7x64 is very stable (more stable than some Linux distros), it has great compatability (better than Vista64), and XP Mode is the topper...to make sure that every windows program will work.

As for system specs, the 16GB is for a virtual hard disk with swap file and a hybernate function. The 1GB of extra ram is allocated right to the virtual OS...if you open system properties inside XP mode, you will see it says that it has 1GB of ram (you can configure it to use less, but XP needs 1GB to be functional anyway). If you want to tweek-out your virtual machine with more ram, it can use up 4GB of ram...

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So basically with this new Microsoft Windows 7 I would need to build a new system. Maybe ill do this after the end of the year or something. I would need to have 4gigs ram and a massive hard drive the hard drive does not worry me but my motherboard can not take 4gigs ram soo ill build a new system for this Operating System.

*yawn* .. here we go again with the M$/hardware manufacturers (particularly Intel) tie down of customers... "Build a new system" to run this pile of bloat?.. a pile of bloat with NO new stuff in it I might add..
Sound familiar anybody?

ker-ching.. NO SALE!!

More junkware from the masters of restriction, thievery and tie in...

@lessup

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Second, I did NOT violate padding. I merely commented on SEVERAL SEPARATE postings and they all related separately. I don't know how the Fins think but when Americans have something to say about 5 separate posts............WE COMMENT ON THEM. How ridiculous can you be to slam someone for not waiting until another comments on my comment? Get a clue and be reasonable.............and that is not an insult, it's simply a reasonable statement in response to your comment.

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Please don't identify yourself as an American, we have enough bad publicity as it is. Most of us Americans do NOT have diarrhea of the mouth and unpleasant manners. As for the MODs, they were tooooo lenient with you.

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So basically with this new Microsoft Windows 7 I would need to build a new system. Maybe ill do this after the end of the year or something. I would need to have 4gigs ram and a massive hard drive the hard drive does not worry me but my motherboard can not take 4gigs ram soo ill build a new system for this Operating System.

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I have a three-year old Inspiron 1720 and it's running Windows 7 x64 perfectly fine. My laptop only has 2GB of RAM and a T7300 so it's nowhere near a "fast" system. The HDD is a 160GB 7200RPM SATA.

However, Windows 7 is pretty stable and I haven't had a single problem with it.

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All you people that think XP is so great don't have modern computers. Modern computers have more than 4GB total memory, and thus require 64 bit operating systems.

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Modern computers don't NEED more than 2-4GB RAM unless you have a particular use for it (e.g. multiple VMs, editing full super high resolution images, etc.) or run 20-50+ smaller programs all at once regularly. Only power users/geeks feel a NEED for it.

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All you people that think XP is so great don't have modern computers. Modern computers have more than 4GB total memory, and thus require 64 bit operating systems.

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An x86 architecture, such as 32-bit OS, can only support something around 3.2GB of RAM. However, 64-bit operating systems can support a terabyte, or more, of RAM. You can have 4+ GB of RAM on a system running a 32-bit OS but it's kind of a waste.

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Modern computers don't NEED more than 2-4GB RAM unless you have a particular use for it (e.g. multiple VMs, editing full super high resolution images, etc.) or run 20-50+ smaller programs all at once regularly. Only power users/geeks feel a NEED for it.

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2GB is pretty common and most systems will run comfortably on that. My current Windows 7 64-bit OS runs fine with only 2GB. However, the more RAM you can afford the smoother your system will run. If you are just using your computer to check email, write word documents, and listen to MP3s then you'll be OK with 2GB.

However, if you do anything more than that it would be beneficial to have a 64-bit OS with 4GB or more of RAM if you can afford it.

Alcohol 120% works fine in Windows 7 ultimate. Even the latest NIS 2010 is working fine.

I have been using it for a few months now.

I have been running Windows 7 since Beta, and kept upgrading as the releases were out.

I was a big XP user also, since before it was released offcially. I have always like it, but have moved on now.

I don't really care about the XP mode in Windows 7, have no need for it, but its great for those that may want it.

To each his own I guess.

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Most of the econo-laptops now come standard with at least 3GB of ram, and often have a "free upgrade to 4GB" offer running. These computers do not have the power to edit video quickly, they can't play bluray movies, and they are intended as a netbook with a larger screen and DVD support. If these systems come with 4GB, then I feel comfortable saying that any new system with less than 4GB is a super-econo-box, a micro-PC(netbook, car pc, etc), or a specialized platform (like PS3/Xbox360).

I know that there are plenty of old computers still in use with less than 4GB of memory (some don't even have x64 support). While microsoft would be happy to sell to them, they are not the target audience, as they are not the type to pay for upgrades anyway.

IMHO, the only reason that WIN7 is available in a x86 version is for netbooks.

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Still a bit paranoid to switch to 7 when it comes out, took me long enough to learn XP, now got to do it all over again YUK, but know sooner or later will have to do so. I saw a nice printer on sale the other day I wanted to buy, it said vista ready, did not mention anything about 7, the staff at the store didn't know nothing so I balked.

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Still a bit paranoid to switch to 7 when it comes out, took me long enough to learn XP, now got to do it all over again YUK, but know sooner or later will have to do so. I saw a nice printer on sale the other day I wanted to buy, it said vista ready, did not mention anything about 7, the staff at the store didn't know nothing so I balked.

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7 is an upgraded vista and should work, its vista 64bit that may give you trouble, its more fussy.

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Still a bit paranoid to switch to 7 when it comes out, took me long enough to learn XP, now got to do it all over again YUK, but know sooner or later will have to do so. I saw a nice printer on sale the other day I wanted to buy, it said vista ready, did not mention anything about 7, the staff at the store didn't know nothing so I balked.

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7 is an upgraded vista and should work, its vista 64bit that may give you trouble, its more fussy.

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Vista x64 sucks so much. I prefer XP x64 over it. Every now and then I have to fix my friends laptop. I keep telling her that Vista x64 is terrible but there's nothing we can do. No drivers for XP and I don't have Vista x32. After Windows 7 it should solve all the problems.

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Windows 7 worked fine on my dualcore AMD when I could use it. Had some trouble after installing 3rd party software in Jaunty and had to remove Wins7 and Jaunty. My old P3 computer won't install Wins because the 3 harddrives 120g, 80g, 40g installed give a bluescreen nonboot error. Jaunty installs and runs flawlessly. So no wins XP or 7 on the P3. Got to say Ubuntu has progressed to where it's worthwhile. But being a newbie, There's much to learn.

Lissenup, how'd you post a continuing comment in less than 3 minutes? I'll probably be a NEWBIE until I've deserted Afterdawn.