Originally posted by siber:

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mcmenace, the obvious anger in your tone suggests I hit a nerve. When you hit a nerve, there usually is something that hit a target. I have learned to accept criticism without going into a frenzy, so I do accept your criticism a lot easier now than when I was working my tail off in the US. It was a good experience. My daughter - born and raised in North Carolina - has recently moved to Europe, while my son lives with his European wife in the US. I visit him as often as I can and I hope he and his family do well. I look forward to all the "things you plan on doing" to resolve ACTA and political injustice in the US. If you do make even a little progress in those matters, I will be the first one to thank you. Believe me, I wouldn't be on this forum if I didn't care more about those matters than about Football, the price of gas and the cause of death of Michael Jackson.

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No anger, just that you had the nerve to ask people what they were doing about the issue, they answered you. Then when asked yourself, you evaded the question, and still are. The issue is not you and your family, it's ACTA. If you "care so much" why do you just sit here and look for arguements??? Again, with the parenthesis around things you plan on doing like it's some kind of joke, after I already told you once when you asked. Sad to see you obviously plan on doing nothing more than whining here, you've had ample opportunity to make a statement and failed. You will be one of the first too whine if it passes and the last to try and stop it.

I see you are still trying to make jokes out of my suggestions. At least I use my mind for things that mean something, other than sitting around blowing hot air and arguing with anybody that answers you, and sticking your mouth in other's conversations, always with a negative or opposite statement. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands, why don't you put it to use?

Originally posted by siber:

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"Absolutely disgusting 'America is disgusting and I'm leaving'"...Lots of anger there...

"Unfortunately its obsession with consumption, sports and entertainment, its complete loss of compassion for others, its political grandstanding and bullying, its religious and self-righteous pomposity have made me very cynical." This was not a personal attack but, to my own regret, the way I truly feel.

I am not yet likely to change my mind when some of you accuse all your own politicians of being worthless and unreliable, of proposing a referendum (free of lobbying and bribing?) or just 'voting them out of office'...Who will replace them, you think? I guess it's OK to throw stones, launch personal attacks, call people who disagree with you disgusting as long as you are 'from' America and you are blessed by God. As I said earlier, this doesn't mean I don't respect you for standing up, "fighting and trying to make it better". Just don't make it all be talk and hot air in the end.

The 1st defeat for ACTA hasn't come out of America but out of the European Parlament. It's now up to you, insults and yelling won't do.

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Sorry Siber, the first defeat of this came when the author was told this bill would never be heard in committee nor allowed outside of committee, and that was three days after he placed it. So I think we got you there. But the author has stated that he will attach this to something that cannot be not authorized, our only hope is to keep watch on him and make sure that this never happens. That is what I am doing now. That also does not mean that the EU cannot enact this in some form and make all of its member states enact it as well.

Well I feel I need to chime in again. After reading the latter posts, I was simply compelled to add some additional comments. I see the bickering has continued over things non-essential to the issue. Since reading the initial posts, I have contacted my State and U.S. representatives letting them know where I stand. I encourage all of you, who feel as I do, to do the same. We must apply as much pressure as necessary to be assured that our elected officials do what they were sent to do....represent us! I'm sorry that some here in this forum chose to leave the U.S., for whatever reason, but those whose roots are here, those that are who they are because of this country, we have a duty to protect our freedoms. This country was born from fighters! First we talked and when that didn't work, we walked....right into history and created a free society. Do your duty, fight! Don't be part of the silent majority while the vocal minority writes their own ticket! Call, write, email, twitter, facebook, blog, visit our elected officials and fight for what you know is right! If we don't, who will?

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Originally posted by YOBUZZB:

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Well I feel I need to chime in again. After reading the latter posts, I was simply compelled to add some additional comments. I see the bickering has continued over things non-essential to the issue. Since reading the initial posts, I have contacted my State and U.S. representatives letting them know where I stand. I encourage all of you, who feel as I do, to do the same. We must apply as much pressure as necessary to be assured that our elected officials do what they were sent to do....represent us! I'm sorry that some here in this forum chose to leave the U.S., for whatever reason, but those whose roots are here, those that are who they are because of this country, we have a duty to protect our freedoms. This country was born from fighters! First we talked and when that didn't work, we walked....right into history and created a free society. Do your duty, fight! Don't be part of the silent majority while the vocal minority writes their own ticket! Call, write, email, twitter, facebook, blog, visit our elected officials and fight for what you know is right! If we don't, who will?

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Very well said; everybody on this thread should take his words to heart. You can all argue back and forth with your nihilistic views about democracy, but ideally what makes democracy such a noble idea is the fact that the voice of the people shapes the policies and laws of the country. However, the sad fact is that we've reached a point in our history where, like he said, it has become a silent majority and vocal minority. Apathy and talks of pointlessness ultimately create a self-fulfilling prophecy, because the ones speaking of such concepts could be otherwise engaging the system they are also speaking out about. Intelligent idealists -- from all parties -- have been silent long enough.

I don't expect the battles are over. These are very determined people from the world of Private Enterprise with lots of money and very skilled legal advisers.

Originally posted by siber:

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I don't expect the battles are over. These are very determined people from the world of Private Enterprise with lots of money and very skilled legal advisers.

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Then all we can do is to make them understand that we will be their worst nightmare if they do this. We will not purchase anything they have to sell nor will we purchase anything ANYONE that joins with this, has to sell. We will constantly file challenges in courts and be a worse gadfly then any pest they have ever known. In short we will be the thorn in their side and make this issue far more trouble then they ever dreamed it would or could be and make them regret the day they thought this was a good idea.

All this is just Propaganda.....like a little bumper sticker or any another Warning sign.

They do not have the Money and the Man Power to Control nobody.!

Amen.

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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All this is just Propaganda.....like a little bumper sticker or any another Warning sign.

They do not have the Money and the Man Power to Control nobody.!

Amen.

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Really? Tell that to the MPAA and the RIAA and to the people who's lives they have ruined and then try and come back here with a straight face and say that again. But dont be a bit surprised when you are laughed at.

Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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All this is just Propaganda.....like a little bumper sticker or any another Warning sign.

They do not have the Money and the Man Power to Control nobody.!

Amen.

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Really? Tell that to the MPAA and the RIAA and to the people who's lives they have ruined and then try and come back here with a straight face and say that again. But dont be a bit surprised when you are laughed at.

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If the Goverment that have more Money and Man Power that them wherever; Can't Control 13 Millions illegals......do you really think this People can Controll +80 Millions of us ?

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Say what, Mrguss?

Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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All this is just Propaganda.....like a little bumper sticker or any another Warning sign.

They do not have the Money and the Man Power to Control nobody.!

Amen.

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Really? Tell that to the MPAA and the RIAA and to the people who's lives they have ruined and then try and come back here with a straight face and say that again. But dont be a bit surprised when you are laughed at.

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If the Goverment that have more Money and Man Power that them wherever; Can't Control 13 Millions illegals......do you really think this People can Controll +80 Millions of us ?

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theres no reason for the upper crust to worry about the illegals they work cheaper and harder and allow you to pander to the public and fear monger to get your pawns into office....so meh....

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I agree with you ZippyDSM a 100%.
I was an illigal (Mexico. Toluca City). Now I am a Citizen. Been here for awhile.......

I was just talking a comparation to see the quantity in real Numbers of People they have to deal with.

What they can do? ......NOTHING !!!

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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I agree with you ZippyDSM a 100%.
I was an illigal (Mexico. Toluca City). Now I am a Citizen. Been here for awhile.......

I was just talking a comparation to see the quantity in real Numbers of People they have to deal with.

What they can do? ......NOTHING !!!

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Like many things immigration is something that "the system" uses against the people, its not that a system of rules is bad or anything but we do not do anything to protect those rules IE we let illegals come in here and do little to get them out. From what I have researched they do drain local resources and are hard to track but other than that the majority of them are good hard working folk. It would be rather easy to enact a new temp card system where "we"(the us gov in this instance) can count them track them and tax them, if they are criminal toss them out if not just tax them with a 20K fine per head. But no we wont to to argue semantics and ignore it all in the process.

I am for letting them stay as long as they are paying, we need the tax payers more than anything else but they(US officials) don't want to do anything because they can gain more for themselves keeping things in the void....

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I Agree with you againg ZippyDSM a 100%:

The illegal comunity: They are not going to "NO WHERE". They need to be put in the same System we are; To have in the long run a Better Country.

The System of "Rules" that the Goverment have is to make money from us one way or another. Same thing with "Casinos" they are there to rip people off (10 to 90).

Now: SPSs "rules" samething; They are there to increase revenue to those "Greedy Corporations Cartels" like: EMI, SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER and Others alike (Around 10 Billions Dollars each year they make already) protected by Grups like RIAA, EUCD, WIPO, DMCA, etc. They not only already strip from Artists of theirs Copyright interest as a "Work Made For Hire" on 1999 and Transfer those Interest to the Record Labels and others things........Now they want us too ?

"WE THE PEOPLE".....We are more that them !!!
Thanks to "OUR MONEY" they are who they are.

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Sorry: "ISPs Rules"

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Sorry: "ISPs Rules"

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Uuu can edit uurr posts ya know :P

Anyway I agree more or less, the system we have before us has been tweaked over the last few decades to serve those in and around it and not the people its meant to serve...

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Originally posted by siber:

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Say what, Mrguss?

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Again you look for argument, but have absolutely nothing to say.
Whine on, was waiting for you to put forth something intelligent since you are monitoring this thread and after jumping in several conversations and questioning people like they don't know what they are talking about, when questioned yourself, you say nothing.
Open mouth, insert foot.
Pull it out now, it's obvious where you're coming from.
mcm

Originally posted by mcmenace:

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Originally posted by siber:

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Say what, Mrguss?

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Again you look for argument, but have absolutely nothing to say.
Whine on, was waiting for you to put forth something intelligent since you are monitoring this thread and after jumping in several conversations and questioning people like they don't know what they are talking about, when questioned yourself, you say nothing.
Open mouth, insert foot.
Pull it out now, it's obvious where you're coming from.
mcm

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Meh sometimes when I type something its about as clear as soup, I don;t mind re saying what I mean when someone asks....even if I think its not that hard to understand....

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Anyway I agree more or less, the system we have before us has been tweaked over the last few decades to serve those in and around it and not the people its meant to serve...

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The Main Problem here is the making of "THE CORPORATIONS" and they "GREED AGENDA" where on top of the Shark's list are "Our Goverment" and the "Credit Cards" Co's. just to mention some of them.

Where our way of living is going backward to the Point that we start to feel like "WE ARE THE NEXT GENERATION OF SLAVES" we like it or not !

"I thought I left Mexico Long Time Ago; BUT NOT: The Monopolys are rainning on my back once again, like a NASTY MONKIES"

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Anyway I agree more or less, the system we have before us has been tweaked over the last few decades to serve those in and around it and not the people its meant to serve...

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The Main Problem here is the making of "THE CORPORATIONS" and they "GREED AGENDA" where on top of the Shark's list are "Our Goverment" and the "Credit Cards" Co's. just to mention some of them.

Where our way of living is going backward to the Point that we start to feel like "WE ARE THE NEXT GENERATION OF SLAVES" we like it or not !

"I thought I left Mexico Long Time Ago; BUT NOT: The Monopolys are rainning on my back once again, like a NASTY MONKIES"

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Well its a multi step problem first off you make the public only worry about themselves and fill their little bumpkin heads with capitalistic dreams of grander(normal capitalism is not bad when regulated, modern poorly regulated capitalism wants to give everything to top 10% while faking the top 50% can live the dream as it were) that with typical human tendencies to only see the world around them and not think their day to day little worlds leads the public to be soft and easily abused by modern entrepreneurs called politicians.

With the people half awake the system can easily be changed as we have seen it done so over the last 30 to 40 years. The question is now what I can see steady decline of the US worth and dollar with with the end of federal social serves in less than 50 years.

There is nothing to stop the breaking point from coming we no longer protect our boarders our businesses our workers or our worth as a currency, now with that said if there is a change to a one world currency(say a 'credit' setup were 1= .10th a cent or 10= 1 current US sent) this would assist the world in being able to buy stuff from any region,ect and would further grease the gears of business at least enough to make middle and lower business be that much closer to having a world wide filed to market too. But it wont make the US great again it might help it survive.

I mean unless there is another obscene growth/wealth,ect decadeal bubble the US is on the decline and has the scares of abuse negligence to show for it... I eman sure if we started to protect our selfs again and place tariffs and taxs on imported goods and companies not in the US we might could heal some...but frankly I just don;t see it...the US will become like Mexico in 50-100 years.... you'll have the supper rich and the supper poor and government workers will be the middle class....barely.... though I am hoping the US and Mexico will beg Canada to take them over and run things correctly.....wishful thinking eh? LOL

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Well, Canada have a better way of living that USA. So far Canada do not have a Big Economic Problems like USA or Mexico combined....some how they been manage things better.

The Problem with USA is that we are not United 'cos we all have diff. Backgrounds is like "We The Latinos we are not United either" like Blacks, whites, Arabs or Orientals they United. We are not ! and the Government and Corporations know that.

So if we want to change our System, we need to work as one agains "Corporations Rules" supported "half-way" by our own Government.
Just like is been happenning with Corporations and Others to make use of our Own Credit Reports AGAINS US, when they should be a confidential issue Protected by the 3 Credit Bureaus....is just pure BS !!!

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ZippyDSM, I like that last statement. In order to change the things you and others are concerned about, you have to have a government without corruption and without narrow interests.

There is no perfect government anywhere in the world. On a corruption index of the political world, the US and Mexico are somewhere in the middle, which should say something. The best index is found in Scandinavian countries. Canada's is very good.

We can limit lobbying, make politicians less interested in personal gain by having them rely entirely on a salary, increase oversight and expedite punishment for transgressions. Term limits and preventing politicians later on from switching to the private world where they can use their knowledge and influence to circumvent the system might be considered. These measures are needed to advance the American Experiment and pull it back on track towards the common interest of all the American people as well as the rest of us.

ACTA and its future variations on the same theme will need watching.

whatever happened to His Majesty, dare i say that he may have been riding thy noble steed north facing the south star.

Actually quite funny there, DXR88. I was provoked by my good friend mcmenace to say something positive, so I tried.

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Originally posted by Daniel_1:

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Originally posted by Mrguss:

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All this is just Propaganda.....like a little bumper sticker or any another Warning sign.

They do not have the Money and the Man Power to Control nobody.!

Amen.

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Really? Tell that to the MPAA and the RIAA and to the people who's lives they have ruined and then try and come back here with a straight face and say that again. But dont be a bit surprised when you are laughed at.

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If the Goverment that have more Money and Man Power that them wherever; Can't Control 13 Millions illegals......do you really think this People can Controll +80 Millions of us ?

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Dont have to, all they need do is make the rules so strict that it will scare the ISP's into dropping you if you sneeze wrong. Sooner or later you are going to run out of ISP's to turn to and your internet access is gone for good. And an easy way to do this is just make a databoard that they can connect to to see if you were tossed from another ISP and what reason was given. They already do this for truck drivers licenses so how hard would it be to do this for ISP's and if they start that, it's over.