I heared on the radio 5 years ago that if you pay for cable that you are entitled to copy a show because you have already paid for it to air on your tv.I'd love to give the MPAA my 2 cents right now.They all need to change their rags at that place.

www.lokitorent.com is GONE!

DAMN! I was dl Tv shows from here.
Who's next........

THIS IS JUST BULLSHYT!
YOU CAN'T DL TV SHOWS NOW!!!

LOL! DAG! I'm glad I got all of
Stargate Atlantis Season 1 episodes 1-20 from that site

lajr1980 : I wouldn't be laughing, MPAA has your IP :D

Since when do they have ur IP? mines not static anyways so why do i care or anyone?

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loki torrent sold out. they gave those fockers a log of everyones ip address that downloaded torrents from that site. this is getting really serious, but i doubted theyll have the time and manpower to track everyone down, specially over something stupid.. as tv-shows

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ru serious??
i downloaded heaps from that site....

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yea. and supposively they've raised some money for lawyers fee.. $30,000 to be exact;and when things got really bad they just took the money and ran with it. Just becareful on what you download and whom you are downloading from. The MPAA is really after people. does downloading really leave traces even if you have a static ip?

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I'm so damn sick of all this. I hope this leads to a massive revolt against the RIAA and MPAA for the shit they've caused.

TV Show piracy - that's kind of like collecting half-smoked cigarettes from ashtrays, isn't it?
I mean technically that is stealing, but the collector is not begrudged his stinking treasure...

Well i dont have a static ip. so it dont matter

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How is tv shows losing money? the first uploader gets it from them. Those that can watch it on tv will. Those that can't will download it. When it later comes out on Dvd more people would buy them because people that would not of heard of the show would have.

Regular # of views plus increased future dvd sales = more money. This is a good thing for them.

I really don't think people are going to have their cable or sat. disconnected because they download a few shows that probably aren't even aired on the stations they get.

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How is tv shows losing money? the first uploader gets it from them. Those that can watch it on tv will. Those that can't will download it. When it later comes out on Dvd more people would buy them because people that would not of heard of the show would have.

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I think that their reasoning is that the people who have it downloaded on their computers will not buy the DVDs when they are released. (This is of course a crock because without interest there would be no point in releasing the show on DvD anyway. Freakazoid Anyone?)

i wouldnt buy the dvds anyways. cost way to much. 85 bucks aud for a season of a show...

Meh, television programming has become pretty lazy anyway. I'd wager that 90% of TV programming these days is just reruns. And when you consider the income from ads for that, anyone involved in TV should be making crazy money.

If anything, the distribution of TV shows creates a wider market for the producers. More people will learn about their shows and consequently watch them on TV ('cause generally they are better quality and whatnot) and buy them on DVD.

Piracy paranoia is rapant.

Well, from what I've been hearing, it's become a garden-variety technophobia issue these days. Much wanted features are being removed from forthcoming PCs, TVs and DVRs and their software/firmware at the behest of the MPAA/RIAA and soon old-fashioned VCRs could end up being a no-no. I wouldn't be surprised if the MPAA/RIAA had stormtroopers at the ready right now. Dump your log files everyone! :(

for those of you ignorant of IPs, which is apparently most of you, your great dynamic IP is just for your home network, so you're in trouble just as much as the next guy because the IP that is logged is your external IP assigned by your ISP.

this whole situation is getting ridiculous, LokiTorrent has pissed me off big time. I'm glad I never donated to them. and I really, really hope they didn't log torrent downloads and connections to their trackers. unless they were hoping they would get to hand them over to the authorities, it would be pointless. if they did, I hope the RIAA has fun suing millions of people one by one.

for those of you who want to download TV series, you can get some of the more popular current ones here: http://btefnet.net/.

most of TV now is reality shows anyway...

It is ridiculous for the BBC to be moaning about this.
Revenue is mainly gained from advertising and variuos rates apply to shows and the time that they are broadcast. Primetime earns more advertising revenue because more people are watching.
The BBC does not have adverts (in the uk, at any rate) this is because the BBC is funded by the british public via a licence. if you have a tv you have to pay the licence fee, regardless of whether or not you watch the BBC channels.
The BBC should be the tv company that shuns the rules because of it's very nature. All BBC programs should be available online as they are already paid for in the uk. I can see that the value of their syndications could be affected in other countries, but as I see it there are not that many people downloading tv programs (thousands, yes but not millions)
the BBC should not just jump on the hype bandwagon, they have a responsibilty to the whole of the licence paying public, myself included.
VHS did not kill off tv in the way that they all predicted, in fact it produced their most profitable revenue streams. DVD now continues that trend.
I am not saying that piracy is ok, but the narrow minded views displayed by Debbie Manners is moronic at best.
As a final note, if the the tv companies would broadcast series in different countries at approximately the same time, the people i know would not bother downloading.
The time lag in broadcasting in different countries is excessive. For example, The West Wing is currently showing series 4 in the UK, (on terrestrial) yet in the US is is halfway through series 6. For a fan, desperate to see what is happening in their favourite show, it is just too tempting to download the next episode...

It's not about taping a show you have watched or want to watch. It's about distributing it accross the world where others haven't or can't see for a long time the content that the comapny would then sell on to other networks.

Such as the popular american shows are show in the UK 9-12 months later ... where as you can download them the night they are aired on US tv.

I don't agree that it's ilegal to copy a tv show then watch it, or even show it to your friends but distributing content that would not normally be not available is something else.

LOL! This is really the 21st century!
The Information Age is growing faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssttttttttt!!!!!!

Blast the MPAA all to hell! I pay my digital cable bill just like everyone else. I don't always have time to sit down and watch my shows at the exact show time. What the hell is the difference between taping the damn thing to watch later and downloading it via the internet to watch later??????? I'm sick to death of this debate, and fed up with the idiots who are cying wolf!!!!!!! They're so deep in the poorhouse, and we just keep taking food from their babies' mouths, right? Righhhhhhht.....

What's next? Anime, manga, and comic book companies start targetting downloaders? Console game companies and computer gaming companies as well? I seriously think we're seeing a trend where all digital information/media/games are going to be policed pretty soon.

For the argument that downloaded TV Shows have the cut out adds fine(and that advertisers loose money)...lets say that we leave them in and just FF throught them ..they will find another pretext to argue..

What about the issue of ``public airways``?..they send information(films whatever)and they say it`s free to acces??..ok make up your mind..(bcz if it`s not then i dont want the 2000 radio,televison satelite waves going through my house and through me 24/7..and i will sue your ass for the harm that they are doing to all of us)

By the way,what`s the diffrence if i watch the show now..or five seconds later??
If there is one thenthe producers of: VHS ,
DVD-Recorders,TIVO should be in prison by now since they are specificly intended for such attrocities to take place.

The fact is that they are not loosing money(they are just bitching bcz they see the potential for more money(as said before by many ppl)).however what they dont realize that there`s money to lose as well.

.for exemple they produce 100 000 of copies of DVD`s of ``BLANk``tv show..and 80 0000 will be bought;that is a profit..

However if they take another show and it only sales
20 000 out of 100000 and they will loose money...simply bcz not everybody likes same shows..not all shows all as popular as SIMPSONS,


.I download SCRUBS (since I`m at work while it`s airing )It`s in it`s 4th season and yet I still would love to have the DVD`s...which doesnt exist and I doubt that it will..bcz it doesnt have the audience for it....
``that`s my story and im sticking to it``

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One point that appears to be wholly overlooked is the fact that the industry business model is obsolete. When you look at the knee-jerk reaction to the rapid adoption of PVR technology we see today, it illuminates the total lack of communication the industry has with its principal market. To me it appears as if the industry was ‘lookin that a way, when they should have been lookin this a way’.

Why should we, as end users be punished for their total lack of responsible conduct of business? Wouldn’t it have been a good idea to invest some of their huge past profits in a little market analysis, instead of suing their customers and creating massive amounts of very negative publicity and an almost universal loathing of them?

There are plenty of ways to make money from TV shows and movies if they are priced reasonably and they make sense to the consumers. It can be done, but it requires work and a little talent.

The true problem is a disconnected, obsolete pathetic and scared industry, with incompetent management. The shareholders should revolt and require a sound and sustainable business model. The old days are gone and ability to copy will only get better.

They wont be satisfyed until they control it all.

its coz they get free dvds