So I was wondering. I know the PS3 is going to be a blue-ray drive, but will the games actually be on blue-ray discs?? HD games? Isn't that what the "next gen consoles" are all about? So IF Microsoft decides to make the blue-ray addition to the 360, what are the chances of them selling a different version of the 360 with a blue-ray already installed?

I think it's more about how much space is on a Blu-ray Disc . How many Gigabytes on information it can hold . less compression , May be wrong thou And yeah PS3 games will be on Blu-ray format Discs

In my opinion, IQ 140 , there will not be a Blu-ray drive for the 360 for a minimum of two more years (After PS3 has had it's advantage). And I give it a 80% chance of never happening. I also give a 99% chance that games are moved to HD-DVD eventually and all the initial 360 buyers get screwed over. Including me, I hat emIcrosoft so much, and I reache dout and bought a couple 360s to give em chance, and guess what, I regretted it just like I knew I would.

I don't know how to say this, but remember when the PS1 came out and it only had CD-ROM based games, then when the PS2 came out, it had CD-ROM based games at first, then they started bringing out games on DVD-ROM? If the same thing applies with the PS3, games will be on DVD-ROM at first, then later on, games will be on BD-ROM. For the XBOX, games were on DVD-ROM only. Now wouldn't you think they would bring out games on the HD-ROM (not sure if that's it) based format for the XBOX 360 later on? They're going to release an HD-DVD add on later on, so it just seems a bit obvious. But then again, they didn't want to release JUST a game console (though that could be used to throw us off entirely).

What does anyones IQ have to do with this post?? We know you are smart man. I have read a lot of your post in the past and respect your opinions. I do agree with you reasons... What would sony gain to take a huge sum of money from microsoft allowing them to use the BR format for movies, or games. Wouldnot the xbox having a BR drive only make some people change their minds on whether or not they would buy the PS3 over the xbox 360. Yeah the quick cash would be great for sony coming from Micro but they would be helping Microsoft sell more 360 units which would be bad for the long run of the PS3 and its profits.

Would it be better for sony to take the deal from microsoft now or wait and make its use of BRay first. Della, If people do start to demand the blue ray format on the xbox 360 then the xbox 360 would stuggle to sell consoles if they did not give the consumers what they want right??? So they would offer sony a deal. If sony rejected them the the 360 would be doomed to fail at making that run at dethroning sony in the videogaming market. That is exactly what sony would want. That is only if people happen to demand the blue ray in the future though. Sony would love to have the console sales look wop-sided as it did with the original xbox and ps2. I remeber the ps2 selling more than 90 million units and the xbox around 22 million or somewhere in that ballpark. Is that not what sony would want? Having Microsoft strangle its own 360 by the neck should the HD DVD fail to be in high demand. Sony would control the videogaming market again which is exactly what they want and they would still benefit from other companies use of the BR-disc as well with movies and etc...

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Sony would control the videogaming market again which is exactly what they want and they would still benefit from other companies use of the BR-disc as well with movies and etc...

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I would imagine that Sony establishing Blu-Ray as the industry standard would be more profitable than dominating the video-game market. Blu-Ray is the bread-winner and having a large share of the game industry is a bonus. Sony is looking to their future by establishing format standards like UMD and Blu-Ray, and they are using their gaming systems to propel them.

NOTE: My Magic 8-Ball says the Microsoft add-on will not see the light of day.

As a consumer I have to agree that a combo drive is the only way to go. I would personally have rather seen both Sony and Microsoft take this direction. When these drives become available.... I will only be in the market for a combo if any. Although I will have a PS3 once released... I don't know if I would purchase a HD-DVD add on for my 360. Now if it's required some games then I will have no choice! They know what their doing!

does any one know how long sony can hold a patent on bd?

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I think Reasons? 14 January 2006 20:21 post makes sense . It's to early to think Xbox 360 is gonna support Blu-ray Tech . Doubtfull they ever will. :/

Ofnir1 - PS3 games will b eon BD-R from the start because Sony wants to take advantag eof all the DRM protection of every game.

lxhotboy - Alot of people don't have any sense, or logic, and fo rthose who trust you and would believe/get a sense that you're smart it makes people read your post. Alot of people skim an dmiss some of the poitns, it was more of an attension grabber and I am fairly sure more people who woudl have skimmed or skipped it, actually read it this time. Didn't you?

In short, it was a phycological attention grabber, true story as well.

I missed that, thanks for pointing that out.

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Reasons - Go on, stroke it a little more.......your ego that is.

lol

Hey man, the guy asked, it's not like I volunteered it and questionaired how well it worked.

Anyway, I'm still not Chinese or Japanese, damn, so I'll still never get anywhere, lol.

@ gamename I think its over at least 3 years.

Now to the rest of you
I think whats going to happen is that sony will NOT cut a deal with microsoft, reason being, Microsoft is marketing the 360 as a full entertainment system, with the availability to connect to the compt. for picture viewing and what not. While Sony has been hush hush on what PS3 will do. Microsoft allready has a leg up by being released first. Also I believe sony would like nothing better to see PS3 and XBOX go back to being strictly being for games. Reasoning.... Sony makes DVD players, and Blu-ray players, Now if XBOX didn't exsist do you believe PS2 would be able to play DVDs?? I don't I think sony would make you buy a seperate unit. But, who truly knows what will happen?? Nobody. Times change, moods swing.

But I for one will never buy a sony product. There busness practices are terrible and I will not support it.

(Psst. If XBOX360 can connect to comp. If yourComp has Blue-ray can video be transfered??)
And I think I may have miss read and typed but XBOX 360 can allow people to view pictures from windows xp right??
LD

Maybe the Xbox 720 will have Green-Ray support ? :P

Microsoft's prctice is worse than Sony's, all Sony has done is tried on a very bad DRM. Microsoft on the other, more enlightened, hand has conducted myriads of illegal practices. They have tried and are slightly succeding in creating a monopoly, and make their business moves anti-consumer.

Example: The Xbox 360 was released early to benefit Microsofts sales over the competition, but flaws in the software and hardware, complete lack of thermal effieciency, and disregard for a next gen format are giving consumers a kick in the nuts for helpign them. The stragtedy - Gettin gout first garuntees sales, not using a HD-DVD drive means they can sell it later as an 3x mark-up accessory.

How does Sony handle the same area: PS3 has been in developement for over 6 year by the launch time, twice as logn as Xbox 360. SOny has not even tried to rush the release, but is tryign to keep it as early as hoped, because they have a mor ededicated nature to the quality of their product. The PS3 will also incorporate a Blue-ray drive from the start and will use standard 2.5" HDDs, that we hope ar enon-proprietary. We knwo however, that MS wants $100 for a 20GB 5400RPM Samsung 2.5" HDD. The Blu-ray drive not being an accessory sheds light on a little downright honesty about next gen console making. Not ohnly this, but do away with 64MB memory cards for $40 for Xbox 360 (I can buy a 1GB for that much damn money) and SOny will support over five formats of memory card syou already own.

Why don't you throw some concrete anti-sony evidence my way. And don't bring out the DRM fiasco, if your dumb enought to get the virus, you sure as hell are too stupid to stop it before it even needs hiding. It's called Anti-Virus software from 2005-2006 with intrusion detection! I beg you though, why you against Sony??

I dont if anyone is still listening to this but that BR comment I heard was made by J allard. But fairly quickly M$ ( Bill ) have said that they will not be making a BR add on. So it's all a bit of a hype if you ask me. Besides MS are pushing HD-DVD big time. THe only way we'll see a BR drive for 360 is if HD-DVD dies on it's arse. Even if it not the No.1 in the movie capacity it could still have a market in PC world. If it does, dont expect there to be a BR drive for 360.

@ lawndog

could you elaborate on exactly why U dont like sony???
It makes you seem very biased when you say things like that without giving anything to support that decision.

Oh by the way microsoft made windows with security flaws and they knew it. But i dont turn my back on their products to be so biased and ignorant that i would not try another product or merchandise that microsoft would make in the future. Same principle as i am sure every car manufacturer has had some type of recall on at least one of its cars before and if we did nt buy a particular brand car just b.c of something like that i am sure we would all be walking.

Reasons I don't like sony are mostly personal problems, I'll retake the busnees practices to a point,being that every company does shady practices. I do have a problem with the whole BMG-Sony cd deal, From a personal stand point I've had alot of problems with most of the products, Home theater surround sound- burners-viaos-mp3 players. Those are personal products I have bought that were sony made, and I have had problems with. Not so much with other products. Also sony is a major record label. The people who will charge $15.00 for a cd that has 2 good songs, then jump in bed with the RIAA to prasecute ppl that download songs, but will mess up your computer via DRM, when you do buy a cd.
I'm not saying microsoft is any better, but also remember, HP, Comapct and all other computer manufactors cHoice to put microsoft on the comps. there are other programs to use, linex is one of them. Or a mac.
Just my opion, and we are free to have them.

I was talking to my company mechanic the other day, He wasn't fixing our equipment as good as he could, so I asked him why is he doing a half a__'d job?, His reply..... Job security
Sounds just like microsoft to me.

oh also no I did not get the DRM virus thing myself, but, I am still allowed to be upset about it. There are many sony fans out there. Heck thay are probley the biggest electronic manufactor. I'm just one of the few that won't buy their products anymore. I will voice my opion to others not to. thay have the CHOICE to listen or not. While sony will put a DRM thing on a few cds and if you don't have virus protection on your comp you lose your ability to choice if that DRM gets on your comp.

I always buy Sony because of the reliability and generally more advanced inner workings and features of hardware and software. To each his own though, I just can't say I have ever had a problem with a product from them.

I profoundly regret having an ipod instead Sony's HDD MP3 player. The thing can only be updated from one computer! And the soudn quality is absolutely terible! If you have ever heard a source file 320kbps MP3 put onto a PSP in 132kbps atrac3plus, you would be amazed.

It' hard to pull it off, but the Japanese culture background of Sony also influences alot of their stuff, quality and consumer first. It's a hard point to use, but believe me or don't, don't flame my opinion on it.

sorry if you felt i was "flaming your opinion" I was just stating stuff. Heck thats what the forums about right. Oh well, I'm sure our paths will cross again, but I am bowing out of this topic before the mods realize that we got this far off topic. No, I'm not wussing out, I think we both said our peace, and agree to disagree.
been fun.
whether you buy a 360 or a ps3, blue-ray or HD-DVD, or sit back and twiddle your thumbs, yall have fun
LD

Peace LD.

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Ok first off

@ akitchens

There will likely NEVER be a combo drive. Not now, not a year from now, never. This is like saying that people wanted a Beta/VHS combo drive back in the Betamax and VHS war. This is a war for a dominating medium which has just about always left a single medium in the end. If you want a modern day example just look at DVD-A and SACD. There are VERY FEW players that play both and this war just about ruined both formats. Nothing but mass confusion.

Next, the thought of the 360 having a Blue-Ray drive is comical to me and I am surprised to see so much talk about it due to a single person saying, “It’s possible we could use….*insert anything here*” If I had a dime for everything I ever heard was a possibility that didn’t happen then I would be rich. To be honest, I don’t even expect a HD-DVD drive add on to come about for the 360. If I had to place my bet they would stick with the DVD drive through this console and utilize better and better compression techniques. Who ever said that a game needed 40GB of space anyway? If I had to guess I would say that most games don’t use but one layer of a DVD. Heck, I’m sure plenty of games could still easily fit on a CD!!

Next… As to business practices. I dislike both companies but they have both been successful by being ruthless. Plain and simple. MS has copied ideas and out marketed their competitors to the point that they had to shut down or join the big MS machine. On the other side we have Sony. People say the dominated Sega and the DC. The only reason is Sony had way more money and bought out 3rd party support so the DC had no chance. I STILL say that the DC was a superior system to the PS2 in that it was easy to develop for. Anyone still remember the DOA2 games that some reviewers liked better on the DC? Also, I dislike Sony because they are a key player behind the push to change interfaces for television and basically everything so that we can’t back up our own movies. Ask ANYONE who back up DVDs who has put the most time and effort into keeping them from doing so and they will tell you it is Sony. I will say that I understand Sony’s point in trying to stop piracy but in their quest to do so they go way over the line and much further than everyone else it seems.


@ Reasons?

I like a lot of your logic but some of it I strongly disagree with. The first being that MS is just looking to release an add on later. Yes, they screwed up making the HD a separate unit but we all know that no add-on (after launch at least) has ever been a true success and has done nothing but divide the market. Just look at PS2’s crappy online plan and extreme poor support for the HD they released as an example. Next, your assessment of how brilliant Sony is with their 6 years of planning for the PS3 is a bit over complimentary if you ask me. It doesn’t take 6 years to develop a system. With the right money and 3rd party support (wish MS now has) you could likely launch a system in half that time. Also, someone saying they have been planning and even designing something could mean as little as one person saying to another, “I think we will do a PS3. We should make it better and allow more colors. Wouldn’t that be cool?” You have to take information and who is pushing the information and get the true value out of it. With all of this in mind I move on to your statement that they have a more dedicated nature to the quality of their product. This is a really chuckle for me. Are we talking about the same company who I bought 3 Playstations from because they stopped working (along with TONS of people) while they maintained that the system was perfectly fine? Even game review mags had pics of their gamers with Playstations on their sides or upside down so they would play the games.
Ok, next comment about Blu-ray and something about honesty of next gen console making. The fact that Sony is including Blu-ray, while they are the main PUSH behind the medium really shows little about their honesty of their next gen console. All it shows is that they are trying to cleverly conquer the new format war by including the drive in the PS3. People don’t need that much data for games. In fact, the only thing all that extra space will be useful for in reality is 1080p HD movies that are extremely long and with crappy compression techniques or no compression at all. If you are into HD, and I’m assuming you are then you’ve seen the new 1080p sets compared to 1080i. The difference in picture clarity is miniscule to say the least so we come full circle and ask, what is the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 for. Nope, not for gaming. Nope, not because it is truly needed for great HD movies. Only one reason and that is because Sony wants to own a chunk of the next medium. Just think, they can then put ARccOS, etc on everything.
One final comment. I’m not Pro MS or Pro Sony. Sony does some good things. I like their HDTVs and I loved my 3 Playstations. I even enjoyed my PS2 for a while. I also dislike what MS has done to lock down software. I’m not saying that one is better than the other. I suppose I’m just saying to stop painting Sony out to be some glorious company that loves everyone. They would sell you a brick for $300 if you were dumb enough to buy it. It’s business I suppose..

I refuse to buy a playstation3 in it's first shipment, every time I buy any playstation early I get screwed. I had to purchase a playstion2 4 times and playstion 3 times. So when I hear that sony is going to use Blu-ray technology I decided I would wait and see how it pans out. Sony is an incredible manufacturer, don't get me wrong, but I'm not going to spend that much money on a game that doesn't have a 100% provent format. If XBox is smart they will stick to the well tested HD-DVD format.

I feel you man. I owned like 3 Playstations. Hmm.. If I remember correctly I only owned one PS2. Then again it rarely got played due to my Xbox and fps games. I played my Playstation all of the time.