It just dawned on me that these video games are much like movies.
Every so often you get a little picture that hits the mark and it becomes a cult favorite.
You have your once in a lifetime like Titanic in which huge amounts of money is spend to make.
Then there are those that you like cause they are good but not great.
And that is what is happening with video games, for the Xbox it is Halo which has turned out to be their Star Wars.
And with Sony they are milking both the FF series and MSG series.
As with Nintendo take your pick.
As in movies all we want is something that is somewhat orginal and entertaining. When it comes to games give me fun game play and if you are selling me on a story make it a good well thought out story.

I wonder if there will be add-ons on the PS3! That would be great.

As my english teacher always said "It's all about quality, not quantity." Therefore, it doesn't matter what medium has the most storage capacity, i believe that if the game is able to satisfy my gaming needs, that's all i ask for. Screw 25 gigs of space, if an 8 gig dvd-disk gives me a blast of fun, that's i need. That's my two cents. Make that two and a half.

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how many of you like the psp cd's because let me tell you the cartrage casings is what all hd blu ray disk are comming in which means if you want to burn one you cannot if you want to run ps2 and ps one games you have to use a hd blue ray cartrage case to put the cd in

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Johnodd4, I'm pretty sure sony dropped the whole cartage thing for the discs because they too relized that was stupid. Here are the newest shots of what Blu-ray looks like.

Blu-ray.com/media/" class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.Blu-ray.com/media/

If you also look at both the players and dirves they look to just have standard optical drive slots, noting special for cartriges.

I'm confused here. I thought the 360 was already capable of playing HD-DVDs. Guess M$ pulled a fast one on me.

where sony might beat out others is the fact that it will be one of the first "New Format" players out there, for a considerable amount less cash the regular "New Format" players will cost.
PS3 costs less than Blu-ray players projected price.
same with 360 and HD-DVD.
So the buyers may not be gamers, but movie fans instead??
It's not just a kid thing anymore, I'm 26 and still play games, but I also enjoy movies too. And I know other adults do too.
This console war may be changeing not to gaming but to movie format.
Who knows, maybe I shouldn't drink and read anymore. Let alone type. Hopefully I got a few points across.
LD

wheelman7:
"But I guess that is what Microsoft gets for jumping the gun on next-gen hardware... Key components left out."

No, that was a smart move by MS. If they had put in HD-DVD, then yes, the games would be able to hold more content, but like the article says about Sony using Blu-ray, if MS had used HD-DVD built in, an that format loses, then they're screwed pretty much.

It also helps MS keep the price down, which is always a good thing! :)

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where sony might beat out others is the fact that it will be one of the first "New Format" players out there, for a considerable amount less cash the regular "New Format" players will cost.

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hd-dvd players have been selling for under 500 for about a month now. Consider that price to how much the original dvd players were selling for when they first came out.

just another way too make more money... *sigh*

addon's for console's in the past haven't faired to well.
32X addon
SEGACD

just to name a few...

^^^^ 2nd that.

' ' I'm a Sony fanboy ' '

no your not ,everybody here is a ninendo fanboy.

3. HD-DVD is going to lose the battle.

so this add on cheap or not its still useless.

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To start off, I've been a Sony fan true and true. To me it doesn't really matter weather HD-DVD or Blu-ray wins, what matters is the fact the the majority of people like myself aren't watching DVD's with my PS3 or XBOX360. Kudos to Microsoft for not including the HD-DVD drive with their machine in the first place. If HD-DVD doesn't win the war, they can stil make a Blu-ray addon in it's place. If Blu-ray doesn't win the war, your brand new, way over-priced PS3 just became a betamax. Useless and obsolete.

Well if you add the cost of the hd-drive to the 360, it comes out more then the ps3 so why wouldn't you just get a ps3 instead that already has a next gen drive already in it? I just can't see the logic in making that hd drive so expesive with another machine about to hit the market that will compete against it.

does anyone know if this HD-DVD addon is for watching movies only, or for games aswell?

Wow! great discussion. What particulary struck me from these posts is what xsilver said, and I quote,
"As for Sony's track record of bringing in new formats:-

Betamax - Nearly
MultiMedia Compact Disc (MMCD) - Whoops
Minidisc - hahaha
SACD - Only 3000 releases in 7 years
UMD - Just Silly
Memory stick - Another non standard format

Beware of the curse of Sony"

Now I dont want to mention that movieshaker software i could not buy or download for my then $730.00 digital camcorder. I had to buy software cause i didnt know about afterdawn back then. it is true that the future of console gaming has been rapidly changing and evolving last few years. No doubt it would. But i honestly feel that a console gamer buys an xbox or playstation unit for the games, not the video [dvds etc]. Granted there are many who like the latest new gadgets...at first. Me, i'm a pc gamer. always have been and most probably always will be.
Just my penny's worth.
Brother John Mc Mullen
Noah Lodge #118

Whoa how can someone state that Blu-ray will have advantage over HD-DVD just because of the PS3? I mean PS3 will not be in until mid or late November. There are HD-DVD devices out now and more on the way. Toshiba plans to release an Laptop with HD-DVD support. Non of the "next gen" DVD's devices will really succeed if there is no contents to support them? Many of the Studios are either release a very small number of movies(many are older titles), some of the studios are even pushing the release of Blu-ray or HD-DVD's to later dates.

I still think that HD-DVD will come out on top personally because it is easier for the pressing machines that make the DVD's to convert to HD-DVD's.

Oy vay frist off..there are no HD/BR games yet and they will not be for at least 3 years.

Sencondly BR DL would be 50GB but the speed can be a factor for gameing,the HD-DVD has the same problems,with that said 250 + 400 = 650 for a 360 with HD DVD,so the priceing setup is the same as the PS3,frankly there is slittle diffreance between the systems now MS has better online content PS3 will have a wider selction of games I am elaning to the PS3 but even then both systems will take acouple eyars for me to want to get one.

Good the xbox 360 has no HDMI outputs so this a great asset to hackers and pirates.

Well I am not saying that either format will give either the Xbox 360 an advantage or the PS3. I do think that the add on could hurt the 360 unless it can fit comfortably and unnoticably in the 360 console (like in the removable harddrive spot). So I don't think that add ons will hurt like in years past. I mean the xbox 360 is ment to be able to add larger harddrives and other devices at later date. The Higher Density Higher Definition formats will be not take off immediately because I read that you can't even watch Blu ray with a high definition panel that has HDMI imputs so can you imagine those that don't have a high definition tv having to purchase one plus a 500 or 600 dollar PS3 and then still don't have any movies worth watching on Blu Ray format or no blue ray games? Imagine that cost.

Those that spent 300-400 dollars on a 360 a year ago and plans to purchase a HD DVD add on will not be hurting financially as much as those that will have to drop 500 dollars plus tax to 600 dollars for a PS3 right off the bat and then have to purchase a 60 or 70 dollar game as well. Have any one found out how much the game apps will cost?

uUUmmm hate to tell you all this but BR is not an odd format like all sonys failed sad attemp's..
Well you cant say UDM has failed the PSP iss till going strong it was just silly to make portable moives and charge people for like new dvd price...
UDM is a desent format at elast you cant copy the games yet *L*



Blue ray is a new format like DVD was a new format however there is a diffrance its not a simple DVD + or DVD- standarded its newer and as far as I know they are incabatable,so these 2 new formats have to fight each oither in order to have a standerdized format.


bhetrick
Yes I do becuse they spend alot of time worrying abotu space limits,altho I think the frist set of games would be 20-30GB easy when ever that is.


gozilla
SEGA CD was not a failure presay it had great games and desent support but sega got a bug up thier bum to do the 32X and that was the start of thier downfall.


novicebb
I guess waiting a few months to get one might hurt sony some but then they have more than enough fan boys in japan will to sell the family jelwels to get one,so in this instance I dont think it will hurt like it eventaulty did sega.

bhetrick
You never bought Phansty Star 4 or Final Fansty 3 when it frist came out I paid 120ish EACH for them thats inclueing overnight shiping :3


hot_ice

Finaly yes size DOSSE NOT MATTER and the new high def DVD formats are nearly eaqule one might have more space on it in DL mode but in all they are the same.

I wonder if they could make a BR/HD DVD all in one drive?If they could you'd see it in 5 years,I mean there are some double lens tricks you could do *L* also if its a exturnal drive then you dont have to keep to indutry norms and make it lslighty larger...mmmmm

$250? this further proves that $500 for PS3 is a good deal

mark5hs
*L*
Acualty MS's plan is cheaper and eaiser to upgrade to 500 then 250 a year later is eiaser than 700 at once

Guess it's time to at UMD to that dead format list.... I most certanly expect Blu-ray to be the next addition. Think about it, md's had lots of support too before and during it's initial outing but alas, it's dead and dying...

Sontiago
BR is not wholey owen by Sony so its not quite another one of thier dead or dieing formats.

Rioch is already makeing a dual BR-HD DVD drive so the format war might become moot.

True you have a valid point there.;. maybe it will live a tad weeebit longer than I expect... I mean even the umd format would have not been so bad if they had just opened it up for the world and not set prices so extreamly high. I liked getting movies on umd but it just never made sense that a umd cost more than a dvd with tons of extra content..

My 2 cents, As much as of a sony fanboy as I am, I think I will proboly have to go with the 360, just because of the price, I'm 16, they want 600 dollars for a ps3, shit...I paid 600 dollars for my CAR! I make 600 a month, and pay 200 in bills everymonth do you no how long it would take me to save up for a ps3( I have a hard time saving money), just because of the price, I dont want a ps3, it seems that ps3, is taking a huge risk, and I would not want to wager nearly 6 months worth of savings to have a system that in 3 year, wont be worth a shit cause blu ray lost the war.

Thats just my 2 cents, Those that say price isent really the issue makes a lot more money then me, cause I proboly wont by a ps3 untell it drops down to 3 or 4 hundred bucks...